Apple ID accounts vs iCloud accounts - Understanding the difference
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- If you use an Apple Device, you most likely have an Apple ID or an iCloud Account. In theory, they're one of the same, but they could be different depending on what Apple Services you use or subscribe to.
In this video I discuss the possible uses of Apple ID's and how you could potentially use two Apple ID's but ideally only use one.
My only wish would be that you could merge two Apple ID's together!
Devices used in this tutorial:
macOS 14 Sonoma
Links to Websites or Referenced Videos Below:
iCloud - What the Purpose is & How is it supposed to work!
• iCloud - What the Purp...
Apple ID Support
support.apple.com/apple-id
One account for everything Apple.
appleid.apple.com
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These are the things I’ve wondered about for a while, thanks for this!
Thank you for clearing this confusion, I'm surprised you were able to gather so much information about this. I couldn't figure it out on my own. Thanks
Hi @andrewr888r,
There is a lot of information on there and Apple doesn't always make it the easiest process. I appreciate the kind words!
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Joel, I have just subscribed. I find your videos and info really useful. Thanks so much. Harry
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This video clarified some questions I had. Many thanks!
Happy to help @georgee3401!
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I appreciate you and your kind words @billycullen6832! Hope all is well on the other side of the globe!
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I had the same user code for my iPhone and iPad. When I purchased a new Mac and attempted to couple it to my iCloud account, the “system” got confused, because it didn’t know which devise I was using (iPhone or iPad) to complete the effort. It took two days to discover the error. Oh yes, I subscribed.
It can get confusing sometimes @rdbjr52! I can relate!
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Thank you, do you have any suggestions on how to create an Apple ID for a business? What is the best practice?
I’m in exactly the same situation you are. I was hoping this video was FINALLY a solution.
I wish I had a better answer @AlergicToSnow!
I personally don't think there will an option anytime soon from @apple to merge Apple IDs.
As it is convent to have one, I have learned to manage with with 2 different accounts and it's not all that bad. I guess it's a nice way to separate purchases and content from everything else.
After I made this video, I actually changed my Apple ID to be a different email address other than the @comcast.net one, which is nice, but nonetheless, I still end up with two.
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I have a same issue that I’ve been trying to resolve for a long time; an original “iTools”, which then became “.Mac” account from years ago (which has most of my purchases); and then a more recent “iCloud” account.
I didn’t realise until it was too late than I had inadvertently created a second account; but there seems to be no way to merge them frustratingly.
So I use a rough work round of including my second account in “family sharing”, it sort of works; but it’s not as good as just having one account :)
Thank you so much.
So I am using an old Qwest email for iCloud and the App Store. I see that it's easy enough to change the iCloud email to something else but would that also change the App Store ID? It looks like a maybe because when I look at the account info on the App store it also gives the option to change the Apple ID on the same page where you would change the iCloud ID. I just don't want to cause a huge headache and have all the devices still play nice with one another.
I have 2 apple ID’s by design. That is because I have 2 accounts for myself on my Mac computers. They both have a different use. One is my main account, but the other is the private account which I use for work related things which I do at home. The second one I also use for my IPhone and Ipad.
It is sometimes a bit annoying, because I had to couple bothe agenda’s, but I don’t mind. And my ITunes on all my devices is actually on my first account, not the sevond.
If that works for you @PatrickBijvoet, then it's all good. The most important thing is knowing how it works!
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i see people get into such a mess with multiple apple id's and also sharing them... it can be very challenging to untangle.
I agree @bitkahuna! It can become very frustrating!
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Sometimes 2 different accounts are necessary. I live in Brazil. The account in Brazil does not give access to Apple News because it is not available in this region. In order to access Apple news i did create an account using a USA address and a CC issued in the USA.
Thanks for addressing this question of two Apple IDs. I've also had two IDs for nearly 20 years. Initially I used one for syncing data over iCloud and for app purchases, and the other for media (music, book) purchases. But recently, somehow, this distinction has disappeared. I now have some apps purchased with each ID, and some media purchased with each ID. This is making it difficult to update apps in particular, as Apple doesn't always give the opportunity to choose a different ID from the one it thinks is correct. I know you can't merge different IDs, but is there a solution based on saying both IDs are members of the same family? Or another solution?
Hi rodneytopor1846!
I think many users are in the same boat. It is unfortunate that Apple doesn't provide a solution to merge Apple ID's.
I use two Apple ID as well. One Apple ID is only for iCloud. I've never purchased anything with it in the App Store, iTunes, books, etc. The other Apple ID is used for all Media and purchases. So pretty much everything except iCloud.
For me personally, the more I think about this, I don't mind having two accounts. It makes it easy to distinguish between the two. Also by having TouchID and FaceID on all of the devices, I rarely have to put in passwords, except for initial sign-ins.
Here's what I would do. Identify all Apple IDs and the purchases associated with each. Bite the bullet and determine which Apple ID has the least amount of purchases with it and then just re-purchase the free content with the other Apple ID.
Narrow it down to two. One for Media and one for iCloud.
The other option you could do is setup family sharing and add both Apple IDs to the family. Then turn on purchase sharing. Depending if you have family sharing setup or not, that could be a great solution. You can only have 6 Apple ID's associated to one family though.
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@@Learnwithjoel I appreciate your detailed suggestions. Thank you for the good advice!
Apple savings account? Does that come under apple ID? So if a person could log into your apple ID, could they access your savings account and apple card?
Hi, so just to confirm, should each member of my family have their own apple id, but then we can share the iCloud? Or would we also have to get separate iClouds? If we do, do we have to pay for each iCloud separately? Or is it more similar to something like Netflix, where we all have our own profiles, but share the actual service? We like being able to see everyone's photos and not having to pay for things in the Appstore multiple times, but don't like handing off to other peoples devices. What would be our best course of action? Thank you in advance!
Hi it will be very helpfull if you just guide me how i can delete or remove primary email id associate with apple id
All these years and we still can't merge apple ids is crazy. I also have one perso and one for itunes/purchases
I agree @kaysha! Honestly having two Apple ID's is not the end of the world. It does have some advantages to separate purchased content from iCloud. But I would have thought by now Apple would have been able to merge two accounts.
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Love the fucking passionate harmonics at 4:23 when he goes on talking about “photos, *_NNotes_* , contacts, emails!”
I'll take that as a compliment @andrewr888r!
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All good, but I sort of “backed into” iCloud without realising its main purpose. As a result I have photos and videos on two iPads and want them on just one. What I would like to see, and you may have done it, is a procedure by which you can download the original and uncompressed videos and photos from the Cloud to an external SSD . Thanks.
That will happen often @robweaver9953!
If you have a Mac, you'll be able to download all original files in Apple iCloud Photos and store them on an external drive. I do have a video that speaks to this. It's a little older, but still very relevant. I'll link below for reference as well as a most recent video of just iCloud in general:
How to MOVE your iCLOUD PHOTO LIBRARIES and APPLE PHOTO LIBRARIES to an EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE!
th-cam.com/video/wArkMrYehR8/w-d-xo.html
iCloud - What the Purpose is & How is it supposed to work!
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Hello, i have a question. Is it possible to have second or primary Apple ID from example India, Argentina, Turkey for purchase cheaper apps? Possible to share with family if they in different countries?
Great question @tima5544!
I'm sure you can create a secondary Apple ID from another Country as you can change the country that your Apple ID is associated with.
The link below actually has other links related to family sharing and purchases. I would guess that you don't want to change your current Apple ID to a different country, you would want to create a brand new Apple ID.
Change your Apple ID country or region
support.apple.com/en-us/HT201389
I'm also not sure if you're able to use two different Apple ID's on a device that are from two different countries. Hopefully that article will help!
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Hi! Thank you for this video! It’s very informative. I have a question, are you able to create an Apple account if you don’t have an Apple phone? It’s Just to be able to connect an Apple watch. Thanks!🙏🏼
Hi @jg1552g!
You do not need to own any Apple devices to create an Apple ID, however I'm pretty sure you will need an iPhone to setup and pair with an Apple Watch. If you don't have your own iPhone, there is a way to set up with a "Family Setup" option, but it still requires an iPhone from someone else.
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I have successfully changed my Apple ID, and it’s also signed in on the App Store. But… there are a few apps on my phone that have been downloaded from a backup that used the old email address/Apple ID. And because of this, when I try to update those few apps, I am prompted to sign in to my previous email address/Apple ID. Any suggestions?? I have read I can delete each app one by one and reinstall, but that doesn’t seem very efficient.
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So does this mean that one should use their @icloud account for appleid? And what if one closes say a gmail account is the Apple id lost?
Hi @Quince828!
No, I'm not saying you should use the @iCloud.com account for the Apple ID. Users should use whatever they feel comfortable with. When you use a third party email as the Apple ID, it's really just acting as a username for Apple. All of your email and such wouldn't be there.
So for example, if you're been using gmail for years and years, and you created a new Apple ID using that gmail address, all the content (photos, contacts, calendars, email, etc) in google would not go into Apple. It's only using your email address as the username.
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@@Learnwithjoel I really appreciate your explanations of how so many Apple things work and how to best use them. Your channel showed up in my feed and I now subscribe. Thanks so much.
There is another scenario that will require 2 Apple IDs! I moved from Germany to Denmark. Both EU countrys, both Schengen rules, etc. Before my move I bought a MacMini, which i registered in Danmark with my Danish data. If I now want to browse in the German Apple App store I can't. Apple doesn't let me cross the boarder digitaly! I'm condemned to use the danish Apple App store - in a language I don't speak yet.
So, I used my second Apple ID which I used with my old iMAC in Germany to browse in the German App store. However - as fare as I understand - to switch back to the danich App store requires a 30 days wait (for each switch). Is there a faster way?
so i can use two email address one for apple id 1 for icloud id
still don't understand??? Apple ID and iCloud
so I can sign in to my iPhone with an apple id, i don't need icloud??? so for mail can i use apple id???
l am new to this apple thing and i am still not use to this, it is very complicated
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Hi @kirankumarTalluri-pj5lk!
Which MacBook wallpaper are you referring to?
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I have the same problem with two AppleID’s. I had one associated with iTunes long before MobileMe/iCloud came about and have a zillion purchases associated with that non-iCloud account. That forces me to use a different AppleId for my media and purchases versus my main iCloud. Since I have AppleOne, this causes the additional iCloud storage to become orphaned and useless. I cannot add that cloud storage to the 2TB plan my family is sharing. I tried assigning it to a family member, but that disconnected them from the shared iCloud storage.
Hi @techinrl9869!
You're not the only one in this situation!
Yeah, you can't assign storage to someone else in the family. They can pay to upgrade their own storage, but then they will no longer have access to the shared family storage.
I too have an AppleOne subscription that is under my original Apple ID that has years and years of purchases just like you too. But within that AppleOne Subscription, I assign the storage to my other AppleID that his my iCloud Account. This storage then gets shared with my family. So you wouldn't be paying for more storage.
Have you looked at those settings?
On your iPhone go to:
Settings > Apple ID > Subscriptions > Apple One > Manage iCloud +
From this menu you choose who what storage the iCloud storage from the Apple One subscription is going to.
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@@Learnwithjoel I did go there, hoping to assign it to my main AppleID, but it doesn’t give me the option. I can only assign it to the other members of my family, which still has the problems we mentioned.
@@techinrl9869 It doesn't give what option? To select your Apple ID as the one to dedicate storage or the options in for manage iCloud + in the Apple One settings? I wish we could attach screenshots in these comments!
@@Learnwithjoel I verified it again. I have five members in my family sharing. When I go to assign storage, it does not show my primary AppleID, showing only the other members of my family plus my Apple One account AppleID, which is checked.
@@techinrl9869 Looks like I had mine switched around...I have the Apple One subscription associated with my iCloud Apple ID, not my Apple ID used for purchases...
So when I go to that setting, I actually see 7 accounts listed. 6 for the Family and then my other Apple ID for purchases...
Since we can't post photos on here, I linked it on my blog. See if yours looks like mine
joelfeld.com/tutorials/troubleshooting-blog
i cant change the apple id for icloud?
I had this same issue years ago. I also tried to change the email address associated with the appleid, and Apple completely screwed the pooch and messed everything up, so I will not ever give them that opportunity to shit the bed again. I won't kick that sleeping dog, so I remain in that same boat of having not one single ID. Consequently, there are a few tunes in Music that it says I don't have authorization for, yet they still have the money I handed over to them for those tunes. Hopefully, Apple is a little less stupid now than they were then.
Apple did a lot of good things since day one. iTunes was not one of them. It started out as a poorly-designed v1.0 program, and every single iteration since devolved it into something even worse. Music, and the division into podcasts and video, was a travesty, partly due to Apple now having more ways to worm their way into your wallet with services.
I hear ya @tomlewis4748!
Apple does allow you to change your Apple ID to a different email address, but it can't be an existing Apple ID. Not sure why it's so hard to merge the data of two?!
I didn't mind iTunes back in the day, but I do struggle to like Music. The interface and algorithms could user improvement. I did also use iTunes Match too, which was nice and I'm surprised it's still available, but all big tech is all about the subscriptions.
Your music purchases are probably tied to your old Apple ID. I've been in the same boat and it's disappointing.
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What if you have a pc and an iPad?
I got my husband a iMac…I notice there are not as many apps available,on it as are on my I;ad like TH-cam and Facebook…is there a reason for this?
Hi @corteltube!
I'm sure your husband appreciates you getting him an iMac!
As far as apps such as TH-cam, Facebook and such, on an actual computer, they will just be websites. iPads and iPhones technically aren't the same as a traditional computer.
To access that content, you just need a web browser and go directly to those websites. There won't be specific apps for all of them, unless the company makes one.
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@@Learnwithjoel thanks so much for the info…I didn’t actually expect an answer and was such a surprise this morning…I have been watching and subscribed to your channel. It is so I do stove..thanks so much greatly appreciated…so much to learn. Can’t wait to dig into all your other videos on your channel☺️☺️.
I have your same situation I really wish Apple gives to users like us the possibility to merge 2 different apple ID's.
One question: what will happen to all those apps and services where I "signed in with Apple" if I change the email of my Apple ID? I'm afraid the the app where i signed in with my Apple ID will still rely on my old email even if I change it in the Apple ID, have you ever tried to do this test?
Hi @xklark46!
I actually did test this when I changed one of my last Apple IDs! All the websites successfully transferred to the new Apple ID the I changed to!
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Do I have to attach a different phone number to every Apple ID I have?
i don't think so... i had an ipad for years with an apple id but no iphone/#
Great question @sircorn4248!
When you create a brand new Apple ID as of today, it would require you to associate a phone number, unless it's a child Apple ID.
If the Apple ID has been around for a long time, you may not have a phone number associated to it.
I would highly highly recommend to add one as a trusted number for Two-Factor Authentication. It will certainly be helpful if you ever need a password reset.
If you're not familiar with Two-Factor Authentication, check out the video below:
Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) on Apple Devices - Understanding 2FA and Apple Trusted Devices
th-cam.com/video/I_msjcAo44M/w-d-xo.html
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Hi @bitkahuna! I'll comment on yours too with previous response incase you didn't see it!
When you create a brand new Apple ID as of today, it would require you to associate a phone number, unless it's a child Apple ID.
If the Apple ID has been around for a long time, you may not have a phone number associated to it.
I would highly highly recommend to add one as a trusted number for Two-Factor Authentication. It will certainly be helpful if you ever need a password reset.
If you're not familiar with Two-Factor Authentication, check out the video below:
Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) on Apple Devices - Understanding 2FA and Apple Trusted Devices
th-cam.com/video/I_msjcAo44M/w-d-xo.html
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Short answer. Yes you need another phone number.
My iPhone and iPad both have an old e-mail address as my Apple ID. That e-mail provider has undergone ownership changes and I primarily use a gmail account for my e-mail. Apple still sends receipts and Apple News to the old e-mail address. Is there a way to have Apple send everything to my gmail account? I don’t care if my old e-mail account stays as my Apple ID. I just want Apple’s mail to go to the gmail address.
Hi @jamesbass5!
You may have commented on one of my latest videos about Apple ID's, but if not I'll link below. You can easily change your Apple ID to be your gmail if you would like assuming it's not an Apple ID already.
How to CHANGE your APPLE ID to any NEW EMAIL Address!
th-cam.com/video/vBgO5huLtMQ/w-d-xo.html
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Authorization vs Cloud Service that requires Authorization (and Authentication).
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Hello bro how can I verify my apple Id ac help me now my phone on activation lock stand I'm trying my passward it's not login
Hi @UthOye2021!
If you have an iPhone that has activation lock on it, you'll need to know the Apple ID that it's locked with and the password associated with it. I've linked some Apple Support Articles below that will hopefully help:
How to remove Activation Lock
support.apple.com/en-us/HT201441
Turn off Activation Lock
al-support.apple.com/#/getsupport
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@@Learnwithjoel but the thing is that my 4s stand on activation lock and now my id isn't active how can I active and how can I remove this 4s from icloud
Another pain with this is that I subscribe to family sharing and I have 5 family members that can share my account but my old Apple ID account has to be one of the family members on top of my iCloud ID, so I lose one family member automatically as one member is my old Apple ID with my App Store purchases and the second family member used up is my iCloud ID. So I can only share with 3 family additional family members….
Hi @bradley7506!
Do you have an Apple One subscription?
I'm in the same boat, but I think I may have mine setup a little differently...
I also have two Apple IDs. One for iCloud and one associated to App Store/iTunes and such.
Under my the Apple ID that I'm using for iCloud, that is where I have my family sharing setup. Then under the other Apple ID that I use for App Store/iTunes that is where I purchased Apple One.
When you do that, you have the ability to dedicate the iCloud storage to the an Apple ID of your choosing within your Family, so I dedicate it to my other Apple ID.
If you have Apple One, this settings can be found on the iPhone located:
Settings > Apple ID > Subscriptions > Apple One > Manage iCloud +
This essentially allows me to do Family sharing with everyone in my family which is a total of 6 people.
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Jack Daniels and a beer 🍺
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Way way long time ago. Like 2007 maybe? Sounds like yesterday to me…
Oh geez @maesc2001, the years sure do fly by!
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Using Apple store in different countries is also a scenario where you need more than one apple ID.
I’m in the same boat with two, one from long ago. It’s a pain. If only Apple would work on some serious stuff instead of useless click bait meaningless driffle. There is a couple of other things they could improve as well, real useful stuff. 😖
I hear ya @tonyblake8841!
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Where to reset password
Hi @nancyargalias7922!
Apple has a website to help you reset your Apple ID password. I'll link below for reference:
Reset Apple ID
iforgot.apple.com
If you forgot your Apple ID password
support.apple.com/en-us/HT201487
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there next big thing could be Ishop
Ha @vac91!
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what do you mean with all that good stuff??????????????????????
Using a "Comcast email" for any Apple ID, iCloud or other account is a very bad idea. When you move or no longer pay Comcast for their overpriced internet & cable services, you could lose that email account. Always use something that's not tied to a paid subscription like a Gmail account or similar. Gmail is portable and free.
I 100% agree @barrydraper!
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Why do you need to use those annoying sound effects? 👎
I appreciate the feedback @NonGrata-zf8yw!
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Who is that guy pedaling Mac malware? Enough of that ad already, just garbage.
Hey @Greg-fg1rd!
Is TH-cam showing you malware software in the Ads? I don't choose the ads that get shown! I agree, it can be annoying though!
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wtf was the point of all that
Great question @haodev!
I guess I was attempting to answer a question for those that maybe not understand the difference of an Apple ID vs iCloud and in the grand scheme, they're more similar than different.
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So, my dad made the exact mistake of getting us (me and my brother) in on his Apple ID. Now, as a teenager, i am just now realising this, and i am now trying to make my own Apple ID. I am just so ingrained in his Apple ID that i don't know where to start. If some of you know the process of getting me out of my dads Apple ID, it would be awesome if you could drop some answers to me.
One area I HATE Apple...AppleID and iOS. I have a work one and a personal one. Not too much of an issue on my Mac. Under iOS...Apple basically said GTH with using both. Apple HATES corporate customers..and has for years! My company has 8 people and I manage all of their machines. The corporate management program from Apple is a nightmare. M$, Adobe, and just about every other company is corporate friendly...Apple, only cares about solo users. A few OSes ago, a user could get away without signing into their AppleID in MacOS, now they have to. Makes my management of their machine...harder.
I can relate to the frustration @tomdfrog.
Apple has hard time intertwining itself within an enterprise environment. For my job, I manage just over 600 Apple devices, both iOS and Macs and it can be a challenge.
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It’s the stupid system ever!!