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Nora tells Iris why she's been so cold towards her and Barry says his opinion about the situation
The Flash Season 5 Episode 4 "News Flash"
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Love Nora is giving Iris a lecture about "not being given a choice" when she herself keeps taking matters into her own hand changing the timeline without giving anyone a choice
Frr
Hello! She was a little bitch. I really couldn’t stand her the whole season.
@@Drea1239232 Ikr Iris was bitch she has been since season 4
Nora is what she was raised (Iris) and manipulated (Thrawne) to become.
Does Nora think that a baby with super speed is a good idea
Ikr, but still Iris could have told her and still locked it away till she grew older and wiser to choose for herself
Should of either told Nora when she was 16 or 18 and old enough to make your own choises. The fact that she didn't even well into her 20s speaks volumes of how bad of a person future Iris was
Let me add my two cents it's good at this thing came out all of it no more hidden secrets let this be a family meeting to Hash it all out put it on the table
@@itsjonny1744 yea cause at 20 something now , she has them and makes childish
mistakes , could you imagine at 12 or even 16 her having those powers , maybe iris was gonna tell her but she showed her that she wasnt mature enough to handle it ...because she even now still acts like a child and never listens
Baby? Speed powers in anyone under the age of 6 is a bad idea. Especially if the parent isn't a speedster. Doesn't want to take a bath so runs off or creates a huge wave?
Iris: "I'm fine with you hating me Nora. Because if it comes down between your love and your life. Then I would rather see you spit on my grave, Than me see you in one first."
wait when does she say that.
@@Joshhh.c Pretty sure the episode after this.
bruh, she never says this.
@@TheRedSpeedingBlur489 ...... Rewatch the full season.
I rather see Nora die first, which already happened by the way.
I honestly think Iris was scared of losing Nora after Barry disappeared . It's understandable if u ask me
it's still not right to strip your child of their identity and lie to them
But we don't know. Let's wait to find out! Damn lol
Echoingdolphin but why resent this version of Iris who doesn’t even know?
@@Lonetress If somebody were to kill your family, and then you were to meet a younger version of that person, I think you would still be resentful, dude
Sashmitaa Anbazagan great could tell me you theories and everything 👍
“I support her decisions past, present and future.”
Ugh Barry is such a good husband and father ❤️😍
Dumb
It’s dumb because iris technically probably got people killed in the future by suppressing her powers
@@dayksteveforrealz4038 Nora created two serial killers that went on to kill people from present to future. Nora and Barry aren't obligated to save lives, so you can't say that Iris is killing people. Death happens, Flash or no Flash.
ImDone are you dumb cicada was already a main killer so he killed many innocent people because nobody was there to save them because IRIS suppressed her daughters powers
@@dayksteveforrealz4038 Nobody caught Cicada. Of all the heroes in the arrowverse, all were unsuccessful, including Flash, so don't give me that Nora could have stopped him bullshit, she wouldn't have been able to do anything against him. And also remember Thawne made a Cicada that Team Flash could defeat, but because Nora rewrote the timeline, she created 2 new cicadas that would go onto kill just as many people(maybe more due to the new meta abilities Grace had).
And again, people dying=/=Iris killing people. People die and just because someone didn't risk their life to save yours doesn't mean that they killed you
Imagine having your daughter come from the future just to dump her future frustration on u
Imagine your daughter coming from the future and not once does she give you any winning lottery numbers or future investment plans
That is fucked up
Yeah specially if you know she hasn’t changed at all.
DARK CENTURIANS what?
DAYKSTEVE For realz What?
She probably worried you would do something reckless
as oh I don't know...
Mess with the whole freaken timeline!
😂
Lie to someone their whole like and don't prepare them for something giant. See what happens when they find out.
Also it has been heavily hinted at that Nora has a plan. As well as someone who told her. Use your brain.
Like Father Like Daughter.
The only one left to help her figure out what to do with her speed was eobard thawne the reverse flash and he only taught her so he could manipulate the timeline so he would escape his death sentence.
So wait let me get this straight. You are mad that your mom suppressed your powers but 6 months after finding out you act on emotions and go back in time and cause changes. Hum....I think Iris made the right choice.
It has been heavily hinted at that Nora has a plan. Someone told her about her powers. Look at the hints
@@aidannewell3750 I dont think Nora has a real plan, I think the person manipulating her does.
@@VinnyI6420 she is definitely being manipulated. Hopefully it's reverse flash. But why reveal herself at the satellite. What has she been writing down and why all those other trips back in season 4.
@@aidannewell3750 the next episode reveals the notebook, so we'll explore that then. I'm assuming the reveal of who shes working with will happen on the 100th episode. Which is the midseason finale
@@VinnyI6420 100th episode has a lot of time travel. Should be fun
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she doesn't know the reason because she hasn't done it yet?
I agree
@@neonicthehedgehog5432 The reason why she did it is because future iris also met nora before she was born, she witnessed her death and found out she was working for reverse flash. So iris knew if nora was gonna be born she would have to not let her know she has powers, or else she'll find a way back here, and die again.
@@Xades oh
@@Xades No it's because Barry disappears in Crisis while trying to save the multiverse
@@davemarinas3259when iris sees her future self she sees what iris meant it's her wake up call
Can you imagine a baby with superspeed? A toddler?, tantrum throwing child? A pissed teenager? The last thing you want is teenager at school that can kill or hurt someone before they blink.
Wonder how the Kents raised superman then
Pretty sure people born with the meta gene don't get powers until puberty so she'd be a normal kid and only get powers as a teenager.
Not a great argument . If she had her powers she would have been taught how to use it
@@francisindinibotwey840 taught by who ? her daddy dead & iris had superpowers once for less than a day so who could teach her ?
@@kyky5356 and who taught Betty how to use his powers ? He had a whole team of tech peeps to teach him . And not to mention her mother could teach her since she did have the speed for a while . Yes thawn taught Betty but he was more of the science aspect since which mean even Ciscoor cat could teach Nora .
iris' crying at the end was so on point, great acting
Clearly the correct choice... imagine having an argument with teenage Nora then bam she created a flashpoint by dinner time #nope
Man Of Tomorrow Exactly!!
I can clearly imagine it. Lol
Exactly Barry and Iris were talking, then she went into the house and he ran off and created flashpoint.
XD hahahahahahaha I totally see that! Hahahahaha
Maybe if her daughter had been slapped with the knowledge that her mother had lying to her for her entire life, she would have made better descions.
Being a good parent may involve being the bad guy in order to protect your children and they won't understand until the right situation comes along.
Being a good parent also means preparing your child for the world and also showing what kind of person your dead father was, Iris did neither. Nora did not know about being a speedster, nor that her father was the Flash aswell. If you keep a vital part of a person away from them for so long, and then have someone else tell you the truth about who you really are that got to hurt on so many levels
Also remmbering that when a speed die the go to speedforce . ...
ItsJonny I haven't seen any evidence that Nora was kept from knowing who her did is or that she was the daughter of the flash only that she found out she was kept from the power of super speed we haven't seen exactly why a d the person who helped her learn about her powers may have had I'll intent. I chose to believe that Iris was doing this out of love until I see any proof otherwise. Love only seems cruel until it stops, she may think her mom did it for no good reason but something will come along to show why later in the season.
If it was something little, then I might understand. But this is who she was as a person, possibly one of the only connections she could have had to her dad after he disappeared. Her powers were part of her DNA, so I just think she at least should have known about them
ItsJonny your making things up 💀 Nora knew her dad lmao iris never kept that from her but her power her husband died from causing her to raise her child on her own.
Im glad barry stood his ground with iris. Itd important that partners trust one another and know that their partner means well with their children. Of course unless the person is being abusive.
Im not always a big fan of Iris, but I must admit I see both sides here and I respect both. Yeah she was trying to protect her but she should've been honest with Nora too.
Killer Frost exactly
Killer Frost
Yeah should have told Nora the truth about her suppressing her Power 🤨
Im getting tired of this "protect her/him" shit. Annoying af
Okk I think she did that protect her..in future she loses Barry and she is scared of losing her daughter too..she can't lose her too..and since barry and flash are the same person, she was scared that people will figure out the flash's identity and they are gonna guess about his daughter powers too. But still I admit she should have told about her powers .
You're right👍
This is a tricky dynamic for a couple of reasons: First, Nora is angry at Iris now for something Iris hasn't actually done yet because she hasn't become a mother yet. Second, we don't know why Iris will act that way in the future (all speculation aside). Iris can't defend herself because she doesn't know why she will do what she did in Nora's timeline. I understand why Nora feels the way she does, but given what we know about Iris, and how quickly she has warmed to the idea of being a mother now, it is very likely the only reason Iris will block Nora's powers would be to protect her. One way or another, I think everyone will come to that conclusion even if they disagree with it.
Right! Idk how people can defend Nora💀
@@Natalie-cv2nt especially now we know barry was supposed die in crisis which is why iris in the future after barry vanished in crisis suppressed nora's powers
@@Natalie-cv2nt u dumb?😂 if u was nora then u wouldt have commented that.
Rethink what family means? Your working with the person that ruined your dads life and killed your grandma
fucking hell, i hate nora so much lmao she ruins everything- 😭
@Mike Robinson it was okay if she went to reverse-flash once, but multiple times without telling anyone? hell no, that's betrayal.
@Mike Robinson And considering everybody knew She could have gone to any of them but she chose not to. She could have gone to Joe or cecile
But she didn't know that until Barry told her. Thawne was manipulating her the whole time. Then again she did go back 1 more time after Barry told her what Thawne did so that's was on her for the last time
@@moneylover318
But they aren't speedsters and the only speedster she knew was dead so she had to go to someone who's had real experience and knew what they were doing. Hence, why she went to Thawne
I honestly think iris put the chip in to stop her from having the same fate as her dad. It would make sense you dont want your child to be gone like your husband. So you become overprotective. IT WOULD BE LIT IF FUTURE IRIS COMES TO THE PAST TO GET NORA.
If that happen this season will be forever top best season lmao.
Very, I hope it happens
Fuck yeah.!!! Like "Get yo ass in this breach right now.!! Niggaz aint supposed to see me yet.!
Mystic Warrior that would be impossible Nora already change the time line so much
@@shinkai9kami162 I mean it's the flash so like ya never know
She’s angry at present iris for something that future iris will do, that’s not very fair to iris to be honest
Edit: i have never gotten this many likes or comments before.
JBear Antonicic agreed
Feelings don't change because of a different time period or reality, because Iris is still Iris, aka her mother in the future, no matter how hard Iris tries, Nora already has an opinion and perception of Iris that won't change.
Just like when Barry went to Earth 2 in Season 2 and reacting to Earth 2 Joe West dying n shit, it wasn't his actual Dad (who was still on Earth 1), but Barry still felt the same because Joe is his Adoptive Dad no matter what
True
@jason hunter
"PEOPLE DON'T CHANGE."
Time travel kind of makes people change
AzAlexZ Mora would know that people Change with time, I mean she did go to the past before she was even conceived and I’m 100% sure she can tell the difference between that Iris and furtive Iris.
Nora's a bit of a brat, blaming Iris for something her future self did and dumping her frustrations with the Iris she grew up with on the Iris that hasn't done anything to her, that's not fair.
I agree I didn’t like Nora in this episode she was being shady with Iris which wasn’t fair to Iris because Nora is blaming Iris for something she does in the future why doesn’t she confront future Iris? She says that to past iris and she is clueless on why she’s mad that not fair this episode bothers me mostly because of Nora because she was being I don’t know the word but maybe a brat or being dumb and shady
@@Maria_Quevedo the word is a "bitch" :P
Agree
It doesnt matter iris did what she did she got no excuses for her actions if she wants to be a mother she should listen to her child and help her by training her
Iris is a adult iris knows right from wrong she got no excuses for what she did
Welcome iris to parent hood
ACT YOUR AGE
@@tereasdownes9793 No, can you imagine an angry teenage speedster. She would make a flashpoint before dinnertime. Read the comments above.
Nora: Mom thinks that she had a good reason for suppressing my powers in the future, but she doesn't know what it is.
Barry: I'm sure it's a good one.
Nora: 👁️👄👁️
Layani marie 5 months ago
Lmao
He shouldn't have done that just stay out and say don't kill each ither just talk it out you are mother and daughter not side with one over the other
@@diamondcrystal9308 It’s his wife and kid. He’s involved whether he wants to be or not.
Iris got so many haters. Savitar, the fans....even her own daughter lmao!
Shit mother, shit partner, shit reporter, shit leader, what is she even good at?
@@warpten121 tell us how you really feel
@@warpten121 Obviously sucking Barry's dick, duhhh
Why else would barry keep her around😉😜
Derpmander on coach everything u just said was false sdfu
R3TR0 L0V3R that was funny to you? woww
Something I wish to god they bring up later...
Barry disappears for 25 years (at least) in the future. Iris may have done it to keep Nora from trying to use her powers to fight the same.... whatever made that happen. Iris lost her husband, she didn't want to lose her daughter too. I mean... we saw what loss did to future "dead Iris" Barry in the future.
Can’t sympathize much with Nora tbh. It’s not fair to present Iris, blaming her for something she hasn’t done yet, and even more so because she can’t see it from her mother’s point of view.
I love the fact that she says " I need to rethink what family is."and then goes and
Stays with her grandparents! That's litarly what family is!
Love
Tom
Yeah Barry supporting Iris.
He dumb ass
AmarNathan are you trying to say daughter or doughnut?
@@kellywinchester7201 don't hate Iris for the sake of hating Iris
Well considering Iris kept most of what made Barry great from his daughter he really should not support her here. Even if it were to protect her, Noras legacy was to protect others and that part was kept from her. It's why Nora became a csi, and why she admired her father so much.
@@itsjonny1744 I totally agree, but look at it like this. Remember how protective Joe was of Barry in season 1? He didn't wanna let Barry be a superhero at all. If Eobard wasn't able to convince Joe otherwise, Joe might've never let Barry be the Flash. Same goes with Iris. With Flash disappearing and never coming back, makes sense that she didn't wanna let Nora become a speedster, Nora would've been the only family she has left. I'm not saying what she did was right, but like Barry said, she didn't do it for a bad reason.
And here we thought Nora hated Iris for neglecting her in the future when Barry disappeared lol. I really think Iris did the right thing suppressing Nora's powers, Nora was overwhelmed by his father's legacy and wanted to jump right in to follow his footsteps. But I don't blame Nora for wanting to understand on how her father disappeared. She had the right to be angry. As much as Nora wanted to use her powers, Iris was traumatized by his husband's disappearance, try to understand that.
Zero Syndrome right! I though she shipped her off half across the world or was a drunk
its pretty obvious if she had gotten her powers she would have made the mistake like every other speedster of you know to reverse time and save her dad from "dissapearing" not to mention we dont know where cisco and caitlin or even wally are so iris was stuck with pretty much a super power baby,
@@ethansolorzano5989 yeah.. that's why i don't understand why a bunch of people are saying that Iris could of just trained Nora instead of suppressing her powers.. because obviously Iris had to raise Nora completely on her own and that's hard enough as it is meanwhile people are saying Iris would have trained Nora when really she didn't know ow to and didn't want Nora to make any mistakes
@@idkmanimjustarii someone who understands I feel half of these people hate Iris so much so they are blind at what she did. Iris is not the first parent to do that nor she is the last
@@ethansolorzano5989 Denying one's free will is never justifiable. And making mistakes are part of one's life journey. The definition of a disability is to limit one's movement as a result of physical condition. So, is Iris not giving her own child a disability? Or maybe a more appropriate way is that: is it right to take away someone's ability of save the world like one's idol?
Well obviously, Iris must be alone and lonely especially with Barry gone, it must have been tough on her. Iris probably didn't want to lose Nora. I also believe that Iris had a good reason to suppress Nora's power well because its Iris. Nora has already caused enough trouble, she tampered with the timeline, she told Barry and Iris stuff they there were not suppose to know. When she gets back to the future she would have created an alternate Flashpoint. Everything will be different.
dude i cried with iris and I'm a grown ass man lol. If my future daughter hate me like that I don't know what i'd do. Iris loves her sooo much.
I would send her back like Barry did lol.
Is it just me or are there other people who kinda agree with Nora’s side??? I get that it wouldn’t be nice to have powers when you’re so young, but Iris could’ve removed the chip later in her life so that Nora would know possibly around 15-18 years old. I know that there are other point I’ve missed but I have read most of the comments.
I would have done the same thing like Iris but the restrictrion lasted too long
I agree.
I don’t agree at all . All of Nora mistake is simply because she didn’t know how which she would have been taught had she been trained. Ignorant people are easy to control and that is what thorn did
I don't like either of them in this scene. Nora's a stuck-up asshole dumping her sad backstory on the past version of her mom who hasn't even done anyone, Iris is an asshole who judges based off emotion and lying to her daughter about her powers for two decades, and Barry is sucking up to his wife when neither of them are in the right
Yeah its like parents who make their kids a different gender
I kinda agree with Iris on this point. Being a speedster is complicated and dangerous. Barry right off the bat when he becomes speedster is dealing with consequences from choices he hasn't even made yet due to time travel. He has to deal with a speedster who kills other speedsters and future evil time remnants. Barry was an adult when he faced all of this and even then, in the end he vanishes and never returns home. Had Nora's power's manifested at a young age, she would not have been ready to deal with them and the consequences and responsibilities that come with them. More than that, Iris saw what happened to her husband and possibly the greatest speedster in the multiverse just because he was a speedster and a hero. Had Barry been around in the future to train Nora, then possibly there would be no need for power dampening, but the way Nora acts even now shows she's not nearly responsible or careful as she should be, even with Barry there to guide her.
Barry also has a very strong support system and still makes stupid decisions. Iris may have been not only worrying about how to parent a speedster, something not even Joe had to do as Barry didn't have those powers yet, but also not having the infrastructure to protect Nora. If your super hero husband disappears, the Legends and others can't catch a killer, what would you feel like as a single mom who is a reporter with no super powers knowing your daughter will be a target her entire life? Her decision, depending on how the story is fleshed out, doesn't seem like a dumb or selfish reason, more like a scared but smart woman doing what she feels like she has to do to protect her child.
Imagine your kid from the future takes out her frustration on you for something you didn’t even know you did yet
U completely missed the point iris blocked her powers from wen she was a kid since he was scared of losing her like barry. She wrongly took her powers and there for didn't alow her to grow.
After seeing how reckless and impulsive Nora is I don't blame future Iris for doing what she did plus it's obvious she was trying to protect her as well.
I loved that Barry supported his wife. That's why WESTALLEN IS ALWAYS STRONG. We don't know what led to that decision. She is so fast to jump in without thinking and how can Iris possibly know why she dimmed her powers. That was done like what 25 years from now.
So Nora said that she's only had her powers for six months, and that's about how long she's been in the past stalking Barry, right? Sounds like she found out the truth and took off without waiting for an explanation from her mother.
Oh and I love how everyone in this comment section is like, "Yeah but imagine having a child with superspeed. The arguments alone would be terrifying." 😂
They should've delve deeper into Nora's feelings. She is obviously deeply hurt. No one is that hurt for no reason. So either Iris did things way wrong, and handled whatever happened in the future very badly or Nora is being manipulated to think the worse of her mom. In either case, Barry and Iris should not have told Nora it was OK to suppress her powers without knowing the facts, and just assume Iris can do no wrong. Iris could change and make poor decisions (even with the best intentions). The Iris of today will not be the same Iris of 25 years from now, so they should've talked it over with Nora and not just assume they are on the right always.
solchrystal he did not say that omg! he knows that she did it out of love and fear of losing her child Nora is all she has left she wanted to protect because there would be no future nora, if she found out any later than 18, and if she told Nora mom I want to be a speedster let me save the world sigh I think Nora has every right to be mad but you are 25 now, and she would have never went back if she did not discover her powers probably would not even b alive so Barry did right this is the past Nora not the future iris u have an issue take it up with future iris k...
solchrystal a
I agree Barry never calls iris out on her bullshit
Xavier Triggs but Nora has been getting sly attuides lately Barry kept his mouth shut for most of it and she had a problem speak yo future iris about it! U r 25 years old she should be a get yes but Nora could have got herself killed and yes she should have told her the truth when she's 18, but taking it out on past iris for what she is not the bad guy after her husband goes missing what do u expect we don't know what happened she had a good reason and eho told her unless it is Cisco catlin or part of team flash I don't trust it...
janderson947 well if future Iris had not only told Nora about her power, and also made sure Nora was properly trained that never would have happened.
Iris probably just wanted to spare her the tough life of a hero that saw Barry lose both his parents to villains and his own life when he mysteriously disappeared. If that is the case, then I don't blame future Iris for doing what she did. But with that being said, I can also understand why Nora would be upset as well, but she still shouldn't put iris at fault if this is the explanation for why future Iris did what she did.
Nora: YOU LIED
reverse flash: *UNO REVERSE CARD*
I think iris put the chip in because she didnt want nora to go look for flash and go missing just like he did. She did it so she wouldnt risk loosing nora.
But you really don't know that for sure.
I think she did it cause if Nora followed in her fathers foot steps and became a hero, she could suffer a fate similar or worse then Barry's
I'm glad that Barry stood with his wife, I believe that such things are very important next thing is to find out who told Nora that she had powers and all the things she is hiding but I guess will know by seasons end.
Winston Elliton2 it could be reverse flash trying to use Nora to mess up the timeline and get revenge
Christopher Liu that would be awesome.
Probably Reverse Flash disguised as the Flash museum curator. Sherlock Wells implied that someone in the future gave her the idea to run back in time and it was also said that Nora spent most of her time in the Flash museum with this curator that knew a lot about Flash. So knowing that, naturally you can assume that the curator/RF also told her about her powers
Kasper in the comics reverse flash did ran be museum in the far future which gave him the idea to go back in time to become the flash but ended up the reverse flash they might be using that storyline. Plus the writers did say the reverse flash is coming back in the story. It would be cool
The look that Nora gets when she sees her Dad- her inspiration, idol and role model- take the side of suppressing her powers gets me sad every time😥
So, you think that being a 15 year old, with powers and no one to teach you how to use them is a good bet? How about when you go through stuff and lose a control? What then?
Pheonix Soldier this was my argument as well. Like who was supposed to teach her how to use her powers if her dad wasn't around? Nora really needs to reevaluate why her mother did this
I mean at least tell her that she has powers and it is dangerous to use it so she has to lock it up for time being until she’s older.
Ghaith Musa i mean like sure what Iris did by not telling her that she had superpowers was wrong. However since she only found out 6 months ago she had powers, she could have suppressed her powers since she was a kid, when would have been the right time to tell Nora she had powers? Also since she is Barry's child I assume she would have tried to be like her dad regardless of Iris telling her to not use her powers until she reached a certain age.
She twenty something isn’t she so maybe 16 or 18 then she has choice about becoming a heroine or not. Remember Iris did not actually tell her she had to figured it out herself. And come on she is impulsive yes but Iris has help from people around the multiverse like Jesse quick and Harry as much as I hate to admit there are other speedsters other than Barry.
Ghaith Musa Nora says she found out 6 months ago that she has powers and then she says the worst part is that her mother did not tell her which leads us viewers to assume someone told her about her powers and the suppressing dampening thing she had inside her🤔.
People seem to be forgetting that Nora can change what happens in the future by altering the past a little bit just like her dad did with Vandal Savage
"Wot do u call that?" "A tiny scar"
It’s about time we get to really understand why Nora is so angry at her mother and what she’s done to her in the future but I hope they will fix things between them now in the past because I want them to have a better relationship like Barry and she has, Iris and Nora deserves that more than anything!!!!!! Nora is so much alike her mother in so many ways but she is also like her father too!!!!!
Anyone else wondering why tf the time wraiths aren't coming for Nora??? Thawne said Time wraiths come after speedsters who are Time traveling without knowing what their doing thats clearly Nora here
thawne probably taught her ways to move throughout the speedforce without the time wraiths noticing her. But they did go after her on the episode her and barry time traveled.
@@brandonzarakpege5069 Also might have to deal with the fact that she connected to the negative speed force, which spurs the rules of normalcy...and pretty much whatever else the speed would naturally bar its speedsters from doing.
Well, a child with superspeed would be too much to manage anyway 🤣
So, how did Jonathon and Martha Kent manage their adoptive son, Clark Kent?
@@Noa...... that's irrelevant. Doesnt meant it's not difficult. Plus Nora would be a baby with superspeed.
@@iriswest6875 Clark has more powers. Kents does not have the research or technological/financial means.
@@Noa...... So? That wouldnt work for everyone. Plus, Clarke seemed a lot more responsible than Nora.
@@iriswest6875 Exactly. Iris has the knowledge of metahumans with research, technological and financial means to manage one when out of hand. It is clark. Who teach him to be a responsible person? Children learn and model their parents' behaviour, values and outlook. Children are like a blank canvas, and the parents are the artists.
That is called supporting 👏🏾 your 👏🏾spouse 👏🏾
She only did it because she doesn’t want Nora to disappear like Barry did she was trying to protect her
U can't take iris's side , did she think she would never find out she had powers and she would hate her for it and be reckless instead iris could have been a good parent and taught her how to control her powers
Yeah I'm going with Iris on this one.
I dont understand how you can be mad at someone for something they do in the future lol like they dont understand what they did and didnt do it yet
feeling don't change because of time though
@@AzAlexzZ but nora should at least understand that it hasnt happened yet and that shes yelling at the wrong iris
@@AzAlexzZ But Iris literally has no idea what she talking about. Maybe go back in time to when the chip is placed in her instead of yelling at Iris who isn't even pregnant with her yet lol
@@impulse5674 Yeah, it's weird how Nora brought all this up, when Iris was just standing there not even wondering...oh, wait, that's not what happened.
Instead, Nora spent several episodes trying, but failing, to act normal around her mother, someone she is still clearly extremely angry at, and Iris managed to pry the information out of her, and then tried to justify her future self's actions with obvious nonsense.
Because, uh, Iris? If even Nora had been mind-controlled...ignoring the fact that humans are actually still dangerous without super-powers so letting people keep mind-control them is stupid and how the hell did they get a chip in her while mind-controlled and she was mind-controlled for decades and what part of this is making sense...Nora would _still know she had powers_, you idiot.
I understand exactly why Iris said what she said. I understand why Barry stood next to her. That doesn't somehow make Nora's angry invalid or stupid...in fact, she's entirely justified at being anger over _having something implanted in her to cripple her_.
And I find this entire idea she's yelling at the 'wrong Iris' moronic, because she probably _yelled at the correct one_ before coming back here, and then, onscreen, in front of everyone, spent a lot of time _really trying_ not to yell at this one. Trying to be polite, even trying to be loving. It's just when Iris not only forced the issue, but then tried to _justify_ her future behavior (Despite having literally no information about it), that Nora got angry.
@@davidcheatham5828I fully agree. It's entirely unjustified to be mad at someone for SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T EVEN DONE YET!!! Not to mention that Nora is treating Iris as if she's already done it, showing her the scar and calling her out as if she somehow expects her mother's past self (who doesn't even have kids yet) to know what her future self did. Nora should at least be telling her as a warning not to do it in the future instead of lashing out at the wrong Iris who has nothing to be sorry for
Well, I must say I side with Iris here, I mean, the first thing Nora did after learning she had powers was go back in time and screw everything up.
Yh iris is right about this one
No, i feel like what people aren't thinking about is, Iris essentially lied to Nora her whole life. So instead of teaching Nora or guiding her, she left her in the dark and that led to Nora becoming resentful and acting out. If Iris hadn't lied, Nora would have been much less likely to do something like this.
@@hadrianhexe9603 Cap. she would have still gone back to see barry. even barry wasnt a speedster at a young age. iris cant teach her cuz she was only a speedster for a day. wrong
@@oraloliakoko3298 Literally, Iris was there watching Barry train, she was there everytime he discovered a new ability, she for damn sure could've taught her. So, no cap
@@hadrianhexe9603 but she isnt him. she cant let a CHILD have powers exspecially someone Like that idiot Nora
So glad Barry stood up for iris!!!
Aw that hug that barry gives and❤💚💜💙💛
IRIS AND BARRY ARE SO UNFAIR
If anyone here watches Legends, I'm pretty sure they already know why Iris had good reason to do this.
Yup I know
I dont even watch legends, and i already knew
Nora's future isnt the same timeline so its not ARGUS related
Fuck life
This was never About the Argus it was About Her protecting Nora from getting hurt and pay er own mistake If u go back in the past like barry getting hurt or going in the speed force for 6 months Like Now Nora got Erased from timeline Of course Nora had to be Erase so The Twins speedster will be born and Exist
Argus With Zari is diff story from Nora
Episode??
Fans: Don't blame Iris for things that she hasn't done.
Even thou, she openly admits she is willing to do and doesn't regret doing?
Fans: she has her reasons.
Funny how you move on from, "don't blame her since she hasn't made that choice" to, "it's okay to make that choice".
The real question is... how did Nora find out she had powers if Iris suppressed them? I feel like a Villain is behind her trip to the past.
Eabard thawn possibly
@@seansoku67 no.
Me Lp
Reverse-flash
She needs to learn how to respect Iris!! She has this temper this entire time it is so annoying!! How must she direspects Iris!!😤 Someone needs to yell at Nora!!
Karen Perez respect is earned, it’s not something that’s automatic.
Thomas Raines THANK YOU!!!
I understand why Nora was angry with iris in the future but it hasn’t even happened yet. Instead of Nora showing her dislike of iris I think she should of told iris in the first place so they wouldn’t be in the situation as they are in now.
I understand both sides. Iris was just trying to protect her daughter from the same kind of life that took the love of her life away from her, but at the same time, you took a crucial part of her identity, the part that came from her father, away from her. Just like how Nora is the last thing that Barry left you with after Crisis, her speed is the last thing that he left Nora. So I truly understand both sides, but i think resonate with Iris more.
I actually really liked iris in this episode
It's because the writers finally found a way to write her character well for an episode and let the actors act without trying to rush the scenes. Candice Patton is a good actress and when given good material can do a great job. In fact, most of them can act well but the show is so busy rushing from one scene to the next they barely give them a chance to act.
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I am actually loving this season so far. It also has great family lessons
I like this argument because both sides have a point. But I am on the side of Nora overall. Its not even that Iris suppressed Nora's powers, but the fact that she didn't tell her for over 20 years. Nora is an adult now and she only found out 6 months ago and not even from Iris. That is an incredibly personal violation even from a parent. If the reasoning given is that Iris is afraid to lose Nora after having lost Barry, then that only makes her immediate action understandable, not the secret hiding part. If it turns out to be something else, like Nora's powers being harmful to her or that metas are persecuted in the future, then I think Iris' point will be in better standing.
It's possible that Iris didn't want her daughter thinking she's a freak. Maybe Iris just wanted Nora to have a normal life. I agree she should have told Nora when Nora turned 21.
I- she found out about her powers and 6 months later she goes back to the past and jacks up the timeline. She's an adult, but obviously has her father's impulsiveness. And after six months, she still hasn't bothered to understand her mother's side of things. Of COURSE Iris didn't tell her.
@@Lizfan2 yeah but someone else folder it could have been thawne
@@saamahlouis-jean5413 Everything has a cause and effect. Maybe she is impulsive and rebellious now because she was denied a chance to grow up with her powers. Maybe she wouldn't have been so reckless and rebellious if her mother had told her. So that excuse does not stand to reason, especially added to the fact that it seems Iris did it to her when she was a kid, which means it wasn't because Nora was impulsive and rebellious.
@@nikunjdixit1175 Maybe she wouldn't have been impulsive, maybe she would have just been dead. Aren't metahumans outlawed in the future? What's the point in having super speed if you won't even be alive to use it?
Honestly? Why don't she just rebuild that relationship with this Iris instead of remembering what the future iris did to her, like seriously Barry is there and she can see this as an opportunity to be a great family and in the future too, you guys agree?
Yes I agree!
@willy wonka Yes that was a terrible thing for Iris to do, but understand what she might do if she finds out earlier that she was a speedster, soon enough she'd make a mistake and attempt to go see Barry in the past, that's something that'll ruin everything and Iris has witnessed that first hand, hell everyone did in team flash, Cisco lost his brother, Caitlin has powers, imagine the damage that her own daughter would do, she couldn't let her do that, so yes, she dampened her powers, it was fucked up but it could've been the only way to prevent Nora from making that mistake
Well said my man. Well said
nora not realizing what a 6 year old and a 16 with super speed would do is a big oversight on her part
Honestly it seems Barry might have done it before he vanished and Iris took the fall. That way Nora wouldn't hate the father she never knew.
No iris did it. Barry never met Nora. He left before she was born
Honestly this seems plausible and he was with her for her first few years but not long enough for her to remember.
I get it Iris lost Barry and was scared to lose Nora the same way.... this explains why Nora can’t do everything Barry can, I was confused at first because I thought she had her speed her whole life and Barry only has had it for 5 years so Nora should have more experience but only having it for 6 months explains why she’s just like Season 1 Barry
I completely agree with iris so far all Nora has done is messed up every situation she has been in imagine a kid Nora with speedster powers all she wants to do is be like her dad and she doesnt even notice how reckless she is, iris didn't want what happened to barry to happen with her daughter. Highkey I'm so done with Nora's attitude and how she has been treating iris, if this little girl can't deal with this properly than she should just go back to the fucking future, I loved Nora when she first came in now not so much.
I agree with iris for holding her powers from her because if she told her she had powers, she would've died a long time ago.
LMAO
How do you know.
@@theimmortalsuperbeing549 because in the future there is no team flash. Barry is gone, Caitlin becomes killerfrost, and there is no wells. The only person who could help iris is Cisco since he's the one who probably made the chip but he's no speedster. And if in these last few episodes Nora almost got her self killed and barry multiple times.
Sweetie 👀 snap out of it👏🏾 there’s a meta killing metas wtf do you think she was trying to do 😑
It doesn't matter on what she was trying to do. What matters is what she did. She abused her.
I've made a statement in a reply that regardless of Iris's reason for suppressing Nora's powers but if it was 25 years after Barry disappeared and Nora was maybe 3 then, then she would be late twenties, the latest Iris was justified not telling Nora was age 21, for the better part of a decade Iris was making a choice that was no longer hers and from the way Nora said it she hadn't indicated any intent to reveal the truth.
Also to people who are saying 'oh but past Iris hasn't done anything yet' a common time travel thing is that when you see someone who hasn't betrayed you or hurt you yet you cannot dissociate them from what they will do. In universe we've seen the whole crew distrustful of Harry, and most Wellses for that matter because of Thawne, who wasn't even the real Earth 1 Harrison Wells, who they are the counterpart to. And considering how big a betrayal Nora clearly saw it, can you really expect her not to react that way. It's a big problem with fandoms in general, Nora, Star Lord, etc, we often criticize characters for acting with emotion and not reacting with the same detachment we can have because it's not our lives.
I can understand what Nora is going through. I can understand how she feels, I feel like some people aren’t understanding why she feels that way.
For real I agree with you.
No one would have been able to help Nora go through being a true speedster growing up because Barry wasn’t around. And when she finally did discover her powers she went to the single most untrustworthy and worst speedster who she knew was her father’s worst enemy. I can understand why she felt that way but she constantly showed great examples of why it was the right thing to do because of her actions
I agree with you but what Nora never understood is that Iris in the present isn't the Iris in the future........even barry said something like that in the next episode.
@@bryantorres7926 I have a question is her Uncle Wally dead in the alternate future timeline where Season 5 Nora is from if he is not, he is literally the second-best Heroic speedster in the entire universe and could have trained her after they tell her
Iris was probably angry at Nora in the future because she came back and dumped all this frustration on her
I'm going to have to agree with Iris. She was clearly scared of loosing Nora, the last part of Barry she had. I love Nora but it's honestly horrible to go back in time just to make another version of Iris feel like crap. I hope they work out their issues because I want to see some cute Nora and Iris scenes!
The only video where i don't hate Iris.
Inzert i like iris more than Nora this season. Nora is a lil bitch in my opinion.
This video makes me hate Barry more
You're...You're kidding right? She's turning into a monster!
Just Some Guy with a Mustache i stop watching just watching clips
Part of me kind of wonders if Barry is the one who ends up putting the power dampener in Nora for some reason, and future Iris doesn’t want Nora to resent the memory of her father, so she’d rather take the fall for it?
Of course, I can see both sides of the argument. However, Nora is acting like an immature little brat. Sorry not sorry. Sure, Future Iris probably should have told her about her powers once she became an adult. I can understand why Nora feels betrayed, but there is more to it than just Nora's feelings here. Before Nora came of age, I wholeheartedly believe Iris did the right thing to dampen her powers. A lot of people in the comments here are bypassing one tiny little detail - we don't know if Wally is around in the future. We don't know where he is or if he even comes back, so there goes the only other speedster who could have helped her learn how to control her powers. So, who would have been around to even help Nora with her powers had she found about before she became an adult? Some people really think a 16-year-old would have been emotionally stable enough to handle such power. There's no way anyone truly believes that. Can you imagine a horrmonal, angst-ridden teenager with speedster powers running around? Yeah, that would have been a HORRIBLE idea. To be honest, imagining a speedster child is just as bad, if not worse. Especially since it appears that it's just Future Iris doing all of this on her own anyway.
I think people are allowing their own personal hatred for Iris blind them to logic and reason. Yeah, we get it. You all hate Iris. But are you guys seriously saying that Iris made such a dire mistake as a parent trying to protect her child? Really? It's not even like Future Iris did this with malicious intent. We don't know much about Future Iris, but I highly doubt she would do anything to hurt her family, regardless of what certain fans may think. She did with what she needed to do as a single parent with a missing husband and a baby with speedster powers. I stand behind Iris.
All my feelings aside about iris I agree she was in the right to do what she did, Nora needs to stop acting like a punk brat.
👏👏!! Well said. Nora is hurt, I get that but is going about it all wrong. I can't wait until they figure out a way to send her back to where she came from.
Cheers to your statement. I believe Iris would do anything to protect her child if she was born with super speed because having that power at a young age would be disastrous. With Barry missing, Wally still traveling the world, and Jesse probably focusing on protecting Earth 2, No speedster was around to show Nora how to use her speed. So she had no choice but to suppress them.
@@MrESPNozaX so you can't teach on the road or on the job? I doubt that wally is going to spend like 25 , 30 years traveling and jessie should have some free time or teach her in the field .
Jaye S. I agree. And look what she ended up doing with her powers. Jeopardizing the timeline
Ok... so... here's the thing... Hasn't anyone thought (even Nora) that maybe, just maybe, the reason why Iris dampened her (Nora/XS) powers is because no one caught Cicada? Just throwing it out there.
I’m with Nora on this one. Iris’ excuse worked fine when she was a kid, but she’s in her twenties. It’s very appparent that she never had ANY intention of telling Nora or removing the chip. Also, she could’ve told Nora about her power and explained why she put the chip in when she was old enough to understand as a child. I think it’s less about her not having power and more about her mom not trusting her
No, it’s more about not wanting to lose her daughter, especially because her husband is dead because of his superpowers
Okay so now I get it. Iris took her choice away cause she didn't want to see the same fate as into losing Barry and he never came back. So she did what parent or Mother would is go to any length to protect her family and the ppl she loves! She couldn't bare losing her daughter too and even though it was wrong to do, she was making sure that history doesn't repeat it self and she end up losing Nora too! That's a mother for you, Mother's will go to back for there children and family and Nora gotta reconisder that, and not let her anger blind side her. This was sad to watch but I can understand her decision and it wasn't a easy one but she did what she had to do to protect Nora!
Looking at the comments, I saw a lot of people agree with Iris which I thought was pretty weird. OK yeah, she loses barry in the future because of his powers and that ends up hurting her a lot. But, think about what Nora actually says, she ends up growing up feeling different from other people, almost alienated from everyone else around her and she has no clue why. The isolation she must've experienced really put her through some tough times. Looking to her mother for comfort she ends up realizing that the whole reason she was experiencing this pain was because of her mother. A mother who yeah, lost her husband because of powers, but a mother who should've been reliable for her own daughter. A daughter who had her choice taken away from her.
In the end, Iris justifies this by her fear of losing her the same way she loses Barry, but in the end she also risks losing Nora not because of some supernatural ability, but because of her own decisions.
In the future, Iris lets tragedy define her actions, which ultimately ends up going against what Barry, as the Flash, stood for. Hope.
Hope that her daughter would be able to grow up with her powers and be comfortable in herself.
Hope that she would be a good person and do the right thing.
Hope that she would be better than her father and even maybe use her powers in the future to find him.
I know a lot of people won't agree with me, but it always feels like when someone in these shows/stories "Do something in order to protect the ones they love" it always ends up backfiring and hurting everyone more than if they didn't do it in the first place.
Barry is my G in this scene
Dont let this distract from the fact . That iris got there before two speedsters killed other.
I was never Iris's biggest fan, I was a fan of hers in season 1 but not so much afterwards, and not because they were trying to go down the WA side of things. I think the actress is good...but in this case I can understand Iris's reason for suppressing Nora's powers a little, though not entirely, and I can respect her for doing so to protect Nora...on the flip side however I can't understand why she didn't tell Nora about her powers, it would have probably made her understand a little if she had told Nora. Though I would probably have done the same to protect my kids if I had any, though I wouldn't keep the secret. I don't think I could lie to my kids that way. (then again, what do I know)
You may have a point there.
@SeanE I uh...haven't watched Legends of Tomorrow yet unfortunately. The only things I know about it is Snart dies. But I can see what you mean. Still, I feel sorry for Nora about it, even if I see Iris's reasoning and respect it.
Ah, I see. Thanks for that.
@SeanE Dcs legends future has nothing to do with Flash/arrow future.
Arrow already mentioned the future that they are creating with the flashforwards is their OWN future and dcs legends are apart.
Flash the same thing, and tbh Nora's is Barry's daughter, aka the flash, everyone would try to protect her.
@SeanE and you can't have Nora head off to another time / earth to train with any superhero's when she gets older? Or even tell her at 18? Not knowing could just as easily get her caught with evolving anti meta tech.
I can see how Iris would want to do anything to protect Nora, who wouldn't protect their kid, but I'm more on Nora's side on this one though, not because I hate Iris, which I very much dislike her character consistently throughout the show, but that ain't the reason in this instance, for those who in the comments saying that it was a good thing for future Iris to do these things to Nora in the future, is wrong, because Nora lost her dad, and so its only natural for a kid to want to meet their lost parent, especially in this instance where Iris, in Nora's eyes, was basically controlling her, and effectively pushing her away when in the healthy alternative was to explain to Nora the why on her be abnormally protective, and eventually Nora discovers her suppressed abilities and decides to go back in time and effect the timeline(saving her dad, and other things), so in my eyes it was a bit of both good and bad, where yes it was terrible, but then conveniently enough its what drove Nora to go back in time, and in turn saving Barry and effectively changing the timeline, so its more or less both sides aren't entirely right or wrong.
I would've done the exact same thing if I were in Nora's shoes, because no kid should have an ability and go on in life and not be aware of it due to a parent essentially blocking his/her potential all on the account of be protective, because it seems contradictory to the point of protecting a child when it is effectively hurting them, and keeping them from their full potential. I can't deny that I hate the character(Iris), I never really liked her, I do not see any chemistry between her and Barry in any point of time throughout the course of the show, I see tons of chemistry between Allen and Snow, which I understand that they seem more or less bro & sis, but then in season 2 patty came in and I seen more chemistry, and to be honest I see Barry and Iris more like bro & sis a lot more than I see Allen and Snow as that. But fine, that isn't a thing in the comics you got me there, but Patty though I'd rather see Allen & S.(Forgot how to spell her last name, Patty) be together, because there is a hell of a lot more chem between them. But my point is the idea of suppressing a kid's abilities whatever the case is(in this case a speedster) from being able to use there abilities or at the very least talking to them about it and explaining what the deal is on why they are doing what they are doing. Again I see the reasoning behind it, but at the same time its wrong for suppressing a child's ability in any case.
Look back in S1 with Joe and Barry, I understood the why, but it was wrong for Joe at that time too, but then Joe realized he screwed up and fixed it, and now its similar(not the exact same thing but similar), and now Nora should acknowledge the reason behind Iris's suppressive behavior. I'd say Iris should apologize but Iris already did, but at the same time it didn't make much sense because she doesn't even know the why, and with Barry, what the H* Barry, you of all people should understand what Nora is going through not kissing Iris's behind, hell you did the exact same thing a while back you should've been way more understanding, at to those whose saying "Barry ain't taking sides", yeah whatever dude, he is definitely taking a side, and it's Iris's, Barry didn't even acknowledges Nora's point of view, which is really silly, but okay then. Again I see the reason behind Iris's actions I really do, I hate to admit it, but I do, but it was a drastic step from Joe's Protective nature, but I do see the why, but the thing that bothers me is the drastic step, going so far as to not acknowledging Nora's desires, and having a sit down with her explaining why, rather than just being a douche and suppressing her abilities through artificial means. There could have been a way better approach to handling that situation, a much healthier way to move past it and everything.
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@@alanreyes6082 I'm a soon to be writer my apologies for the long comment, its bit of a force of habit of mine from time to time, but I felt like I'd explain why this scene was retarded, and it took this much just to get my point across.
Personally, to me, Nora isn't mad at Iris for trying to protect her, just like she said she was mad because Iris never told her. She even said that she felt "controlled" through her entire life which is a bad thing. Everyone knows that Iris isn't perfect parent like everyone else and yes, other characters can make mistakes. A thing about this show, never someone confronted Iris about her mistakes. While Caitlin & Cisco still have life issues. what I find silly is that Barry should've talked to Nora and shouldn't have taken iris side, in fact, Barry's best thing to do is talk to both and try to connect both of their issues. In S4, we saw an Iris who lost barry for a couple months, and acted like an entire b*** for everyone else, judging Caitlin for leaving, and talking crap to cisco because he actually believed Barry could come back, (the only ones who tried to actually do something to bring Barry back) Then just imagine that Iris always being mean to Nora, and talking to her like crap. What Nora is doing to Iris, is what IRIS did to Nora her entire life. Lying, talking like crap to her and constantly judging her for everything.
It’s funny how everyone is saying Nora is hasty and reckless... the fact that she has no experience can actually be the reason why she is that way... she was never given a different choice, her mother took that away from her, or she might have turned out differently.... u can protect by making them strong enough to protect themselves rather than, push them down and make them hide behind u until u suddenly die or leave and then they are left vulnerable to the world!
I would have to agree with Iris. You really don't even have to talk to future Iris to know why she did that to Nora. Barry dies while trying to save the world. And if he dies, there is nobody to teach Nora how to be a speedster. So, it only makes sense for Iris to dampen her powers. Iris just didn't want Nora to die while trying to save someone. Nora is all Iris has in the future.
I am surprised Nora has not caused WW3 yet. She's hinted at Ryan Choi replacing Ray Palmer, suggested that Cisco might die in the future, turned Cicada into a different person by time traveling, gave the Flash a suit from the future, flirted with others girls from the past, told Iris what she *does* in the future, tried to kill her father in the past which would erase her from existence...she seriously makes Marty Mcfly look like the most competent time traveler ever!
I think the only reason Iris kept Nora’s powers away from her was because she was afraid of her vanishing like Barry.
Periodt
Nahh it’s because Nora’s an idiot and is very rash and foolish, look at the crap she did when she discovered she had powers, iris should have removed her powers permanently
Nora discovers she has powers.
Nora decides to go back in time and create a new version of Cicada.
And yet blames Iris for taking away her powers.....
Well atleast the writers made me like Iris this season😂
P.S Nora being gay was a bad move.
Seemed forced.
R3TR0 L0V3R it wasn’t forced.
She didn’t give that annoying coming out speech.. she just Flirted
@@jayclark8805 ......😴
@MOON KNIGHT I think she has a sister
Check out PAGEY's vid
In the first encounter with "Nora" (At the wedding) She had a ponytail and at the end of the season she has short hair
Now I know that sounds stupid cause maybe she changed her hairstyle butttttt considering Barry and Iris have twins......... she might have a sister
Edit: Hopefully they get Bart on this show cause that would be so "Crash" 😆😂
MOON KNIGHT impulse would be awesome.
i agree with literally everything you said
My theory is that Iris put the inhibitor chip is to make sure that ARGUS doesn’t discover that Nora is a Metahuman due to the fact that it in 2042 it was illegal to be a meta
Great acting from both of them 👌
Iris lied to Nora to protect her and she's mad at her but Nora's been lying to all of them since the beginning and she's ok with that? 👎👍
She said that she found out that she had powers by someone else and not her mom. My theory is that thawne is the one that told her about her powers thats why we see her talking to him
So after everyone sees how this 'aged adolescent' behaves, folks are gonna side with Nora? The chick acts then understands. I think that she even ran back in time without even knowing what it meant to do that, as in "I made a big big mistake".I believe that she is going to say that again. But we all know how this will work out....hugs and kisses between Barry, Iris and Nora.I say 16-17 more episodes of drama, good drama, before though!
( aged adolescent ) ?.
The Immortal Super Being she's an adult who acts like a child basically
I'm with Nora on this one. Suppressing her powers isn't that bad in the first place but keeping it a secret is a bad mistake. Especially since Nora found out about it not from her mom. I understand the concept of protecting her daughter from the same fate of which Barry had in the future but think about this, it must've hurt so much that Nora never knew her dad to begin with. She only knew him through the flash museum, and to think that she had no similarities to him in terms of superpowers that must've killed her inside. And then promptly knowing she did har powers, that obviously caused the hate she has for Iris now. In my perspective, at least Iris should've let her know that she had powers and was similar to her dad. Should've guided her better that way, and then at least she would've had a choice to make. Being an adult, Nora should've had a choice to use her powers or not. Something like letting her know she had powers when she was young and letting her decide when she gets 18. That wouldn't have caused her to travel to the past. Because she knows herself now, and that she has a few guidelines to follow and not being a fuck up speedster like her dad.
What if she had powers as a baby. She could speed away into the middle of traffic or into a pool and Iris would be nowhere around. What she did wrong was not tell her when she was like 17 or 18. But suppressing her powers as a baby or even a kid or teenager makes perfect sense.
Merfolk In my opinion, nothing Nora has demonstrated to us so far indicates that she’s capable of having mature conversations, listening or responding rationally. She’s the exact opposite. I can see why someone would withhold information from her.
Merfolk look what Nora did. She learned she had power and she fucked the timeline
@@yousup2667 because she felt betrayed that iris suppressed it in the first place and that she kept it from her all this time. Ofc she'd abuse her powers after that.
@@XBoxwolf But even know in her early 20's she still childish so idk.
This was a powerful scene the actors were on it and because in the future Meta's were being attacked Iris did what she needed to do to protect her child. She had such a loving and caring relationship with Barry her true love, to loose him while she is still young and Nara is a little one; the drama of those days and moments had to weigh heavy of future Iris, so my heart hurts for her. I am too confused about why she never talked of the mother Iris, just about 6 months, but not all the time this lady was raising her child alone, never allowing another man in the picture because Barry was the love of her life; she never address Iris the mom who kept her, feed her, took care of her only about some power. I find that odd and I know she is being used or controlled by someone that has it out for Barry and Iris. She still has that Book of symbols, she is attached to the speed force as well; maybe it's much deeper than we know. iris has always been rational, clear headed and a good leader, an excellent wife and daughter and sister; why would she suddenly be irrational with her child. Makes no sense, there is something much more sinister happening.
If you've seen OUAT, I kind of picture their relationship in the future like Cora & Regina. Iris might see herself as helping Nora, when she's really being overbearing and holding her back. Plus, we saw what losing Iris did to Barry (3x19), and that wasn't even the worst version of him. It can't be that hard to imagine that Iris could become similarly cold.
Before you call me an Iris-hater, I'm not. I hope I'm wrong about her. And I hope even more that they save 2024-Barry, so this version of events is undone.
I imagine more of a Cora and Zelena dynamic.
Cora is actually abusive! What Iris did was misguided.
@@karleecraziness9216 So Regina and Harry from season 1 and season 2 I can see that.
The diiffrence being that Barry had lost his ties to Iris, where as Iris still had Nora to watch out over, and teach about how her father was. Iris kept the biggest part of her fathers life away from her and that is unforgivable, even if you mean well keeping secrets are only going to hurt in the long run
@@itsjonny1744 not its not hurting her because it different Nora have power that only Barry can teach her in a correct way Iris has now way teach Nora the Barry way which is the correct way so Nora can understand like now Barry teaching her that was something iris could've do in the future i understand iris she was going to let Nora hurt herself iris didn't want to open the door for Nora without Barry being there point blank period.
I really feel like Iris had a different reason to suppress Nora’s powers in the future, not just to control Nora. Maybe what happened to Barry is partially why Iris suppressed her powers, but maybe Cicada was going to target Nora in the future so Iris planted this chip to make it seem like she’s human. They could travel to the future to find out why
Okay I’m just gonna say it. Enough with the hate on Iris. It’s bad enough that a lot of fans don’t like her, but her own daughter... That’s Just Wrong on So Many Levels. Plus I HATE NORA. I am Team Iris all the way because even though it was wrong of her future self to do that, u have to think of the reasons why future Iris would try and take away Nora’s powers and the reason is obviously because of Barry’s future disappearance and she just didn’t want to lose Nora the same way. It’s also seriously not fair or right of Nora to be taking issues with her mother out on her past self when really she should go back to the future to sort things out. If u ask me while Nora may still be young and new to using her powers, she is an ignorant, spoiled and naive brat especially in this episode and how she treated Iris.
Susie Brady exactly this is past iris u are 25 sweetheart take it up with future iris .....
Susie Brady Thank you and one more thing to add on Iris din't have nobody teach Nora about her powers so she suppress them and rise Nora as a normal child as a mom supposed to already lost her Barry to his power not going happen the second understandably Iris i'm with you on this one.
I loved the fact that Barry supported his wife.