1980 Talladega 500

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  • @dansmith6748
    @dansmith6748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In 1980, I didn't get a station in my area to watch this. In 2022, I don't bother anymore.

    • @STP43FAN1
      @STP43FAN1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You’re missing out on really good racing

    • @CarolinaKid93
      @CarolinaKid93 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@STP43FAN1
      We're not missing out on "really good racing," we're watching it right here, on TH-cam.

    • @STP43FAN1
      @STP43FAN1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes you’re missing out on really good racing nowadays

  • @robbieeades1956
    @robbieeades1956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    That #21 Purolator Mercury was one more pretty car. I’ve always loved that paint scheme. It and Davey Allison’s 1987 & 1988 Texaco Havoline paint scheme are the best looking cars ever in NASCAR.

    • @prevost8686
      @prevost8686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In my opinion Davey Allison’s Havoline Ford was the prettiest car of all time.

    • @DerrickDevono1979
      @DerrickDevono1979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love Daveys car , Rustys miller car too but my all time favorite is Dales black goodwrench . Car was so bad ass..

    • @paulmatthews463
      @paulmatthews463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea I hated to see davie's paint scheme change. I thought it was the sharpest car in the field

    • @FOH3663
      @FOH3663 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Davey's 28 was sweet ... Dale's black number three is iconic.
      For me, the number 43, '70 Plymouth Superbird 426 Hemi ... is up in an entirely different class.
      Simple and clean;
      - 426 on the hood
      - 43 on the door
      - Plymouth across the rear quarter
      All in Petty blue ...

    • @toddlightner1242
      @toddlightner1242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That grey ghost Buddy was driving was tough looking!

  • @bombdawg5916
    @bombdawg5916 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Kinda erie to see Adam Petty at three weeks old knowing he'll lose his life in a racecar wreck as a young adult many years later. Very sad.

    • @TheMKEWERBY
      @TheMKEWERBY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      VERY!

    • @jimbosc
      @jimbosc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheMKEWERBY Yep

    • @grplrhashi
      @grplrhashi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That was funny when they asked Dale Inman about changing Adam's diapers he said "No problem they been changing Kyle's diapers for 20 years."

    • @chrispix61
      @chrispix61 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think Adam knew he was going to die

    • @STP43FAN1
      @STP43FAN1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      42:10

  • @superblindeye1
    @superblindeye1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for sharing the television broadcast. I listen to the radio every weekend, as I am a completely blind NASCAR fan. I have the motor racing network version of this race, so it's cool to hear the television broadcast.

  • @clintscroggs65
    @clintscroggs65 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    My Father and I went to the '79 race and this one. After sitting a few rows off the track and getting sandblasted in '79, we sat in the top row just out of turn 4 in '80. The breeze up there was welcome after a very hot two days. Was glad to see the tradition of no repeat winners continue while I was there. One more year of a new guy (Ron Bouchard in '81) before the first repeat. Those Oldsmobiles were awesome. Downsizing was on the horizon not too much later.

  • @chrissnyder3430
    @chrissnyder3430 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Again, thank you SMIFF! This here, is how ya run a dern NASCAR RACE! I always liked BP as a race announcer but after watching this race and the 79 World 600, I have a new found like for BP the Driver!! RIP BP, NEIL, and #3. I miss all of em for various reasons. Ironically, Cale is my favorite of all time. I'm glad he is still around.

    • @Slinger43
      @Slinger43 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I attended many races at Riverside International & Ontario Motor Speedway back many years ago & I was sitting in the grandstands at Ontario in 79 & 80 when the Late Great Benny Parsons won both times! If ol' BP had raced after Indy became a Nascar track, he would have surely been a muti-time winner of the Brickyard 400, as Ontario was an exact copy of Indy & BP drove Ontario better than anyone in a Stockcar I ever saw 💪🤠👍

    • @ixlr8677
      @ixlr8677 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      waddles built us a hell of a race motor.

  • @chrisburk2764
    @chrisburk2764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    holy crap, have to take my last free days before starting in my new firm... and its just that crazy watching these petrolheads...awesome, thank you so much for putting this on the tube... greetings from germany.

    • @SMIFFTV
      @SMIFFTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Greetings from the USA! Lol. My brother-in-law lives in Pretzfeld. Danke schon!

  • @johnconnor4330
    @johnconnor4330 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Unreal they name dropped Adam Petty .. had he not passed I believe he'd have been the next great driver no question

  • @mattjack70
    @mattjack70 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    When NASCAR was great. What a finish!

    • @TheMKEWERBY
      @TheMKEWERBY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In short, when NASCAR was NASCAR!

    • @reginaldhall6871
      @reginaldhall6871 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're missing out. I've been a Nascar fan since the mid 70's. There are finally some good young drivers now. Of coarse there will always be a few golden spoon fed that don't deserve their ride, but for the most part Nascar us worth watching again. It won't never be what it once was, but there is some talent now

    • @faststang85
      @faststang85 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@reginaldhall6871nascar is trash these days, politics, big corporations, bad business practices by nascar have ruined it.

    • @reginaldhall6871
      @reginaldhall6871 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@faststang85 try to quit relating everything to politics. I never watched Nascar to decide which political candidate to vote for.

    • @faststang85
      @faststang85 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@reginaldhall6871 🤣🤣🤣 getting involved with lgbt bs and blm is getting involved in politics. Id...iot

  • @topmech71
    @topmech71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Leonard Wood was a cool character...

  • @smarternu
    @smarternu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sad to see Adam as a baby. RIP little man, you gave it a hell of a shot.

  • @pdxoregon1
    @pdxoregon1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is so cool to watch. Appreciate it a LOT!😃💙

  • @TheRedDevil_NC
    @TheRedDevil_NC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ricky Rudd had a side job as my paperboy in 1980.

  • @reginaldhall6871
    @reginaldhall6871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It was hard to beat a Junior Johnson car in the 70s & 80s

  • @jeremyfoley7385
    @jeremyfoley7385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ned Jarrett and Brock Yates did a great job covering All the Pit Road Reports during the Classic Nascar Races on CBS

  • @nevetslegasi5686
    @nevetslegasi5686 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've always wanted a Purolator Mercury

  • @thegreattreon0177
    @thegreattreon0177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Neil Bonnett used to be a beast on superspeedways

    • @BogattheMoon
      @BogattheMoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hell of a wheel man for sure dude.

  • @TheNASCARJeff
    @TheNASCARJeff 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Nothing like holding up a newspaper in front of the person you are interviewing huh Ken?
    The track has twice as meany seats but those metal seats are finally gone!
    I remember sitting thru bowling, track and field and other bullsh*t sports on the CBS Sports Spectacular and ABC's Wide World of Sports just to see maybe forty laps of a race.

  • @bloqk16
    @bloqk16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's interesting to see Brock Yates in a speaking role @31:22, where most automotive/motorsports fans of that era were familiar with his prolific writing career with books and magazine publications.

  • @HarpoSpoke
    @HarpoSpoke 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I used to hear Earnhardt fans claim he won his first championship in a junk car. They need to watch this race. You don't run up front at Dega in a junk car.

    • @chrisking2500
      @chrisking2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That thing definitely wasn't junk. I've watched him dominate at Daytona and Charlotte in '79 and '80 in other YT videos in that Osterlund car, too.

    • @edmondcamp2878
      @edmondcamp2878 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Chris King Not only was it not junk he had legendary crew chief Jake Elder who was notorious for helping drivers find victory lane.

    • @FOH3663
      @FOH3663 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@edmondcamp2878
      Suitcase Jake

    • @racemom2737
      @racemom2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It wasn't a junk car, but it was an upset he outraced the likes of Yarborough/Johnson, Waltrip, Petty, and Parsons over the course of the season who were well established with their well financed teams.

  • @zuel660
    @zuel660 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting to hear them talking about Nascar potentially going to Indy before the last restart!

  • @hayden4597
    @hayden4597 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    22:50 ummmm did Cale hit a bird? It looked like something exploded in the rear end...

    • @nascage
      @nascage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, that was strange. Good eye, there.

    • @beeemm2578
      @beeemm2578 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      RIP bird...lol

  • @brianbooher7318
    @brianbooher7318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    True legends die young.rest in peace adam petty.adam woulda been great i no a guy that worked for Felix's Sabato as n Adam petty was doing alot of testing for Kyle when he was 14 an 15 an they daid he could flat smoke Kyle's lap times

  • @DanArnets1492
    @DanArnets1492 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *POINT STANDINGS and WINS before the 1980 TALLADEGA 500 (20 of 31):*
    #2 Dale Earnhardt (2902 points with 3 wins, Chevrolet)
    #43 Richard Petty (-144 with 2 wins, Chevrolet)
    #11 Cale Yarborough (-155 with 2 wins, Chevrolet)
    #27 Benny Parsons (-275 with 2 wins, Chevrolet)
    #88 Darrell Waltrip (-328 with 4 wins, Chevrolet)
    #15 Bobby Allison (-332 with 2 wins, Ford)
    #90 Jody Ridley (-447, Chevrolet)
    #3 Richard Childress (-572, Chevrolet)
    Despite his great 1979 season, Joe Millikan (Chevrolet) had to scale down to a partial schedule for 1980. Part-timer Buddy Baker (Chevrolet) won the Daytona 500 and the Alabama 500, Neil Bonnett won the Pocono 500 while David Pearson won the Rebel 500 after taking over the Chevrolet #1 Donnie Allison used to race..
    Drivers listed are the season's current top8, last season's top8 plus whatever race winner that doesn't fit any of those 2 descriptions. Yes, I’m using the unsponsored names of the races. In Talladega’s case, the early race was the Alabama 500 while the Summer one was the Talladega 500.

  • @lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb24
    @lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb24 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Marty Robbins...

  • @sjfarish
    @sjfarish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only if the races were run like this now instead of the so-called races they have now.

  • @TheMKEWERBY
    @TheMKEWERBY 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The '81 race was even better. With Ron Bouchard, Darrell Waltrip & Terry Labonte finishing 1 2 3. Do you have that race, too?

    • @MrChristopherHaas
      @MrChristopherHaas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s posted. You’re right, it’s even better

    • @TheMKEWERBY
      @TheMKEWERBY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrChristopherHaas Yes, I see it now.

    • @MrChristopherHaas
      @MrChristopherHaas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheMKEWERBY enjoy the best you can. Great day for NASCAR and race winner. Bad day for CBS and people like me that still remember wanting to break my tv. You’ll see...

  • @eddyredmond7758
    @eddyredmond7758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Legend!!!

  • @MrMakemyday3
    @MrMakemyday3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great stuff RIP Neil and Dale

  • @DerrickDevono1979
    @DerrickDevono1979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    great race . Man I fcking miss Dale , I watch all of his races over rather then the bs they call racing these days. Nascar is aweful and we went from great guys and outlaws to spoiled brats , nerds and dbags who ruined it.

  • @boblongdickder6178
    @boblongdickder6178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Back when stock car's were stock car's and men were men and sheep had nothing to worry about.

  • @adamUDavies
    @adamUDavies 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Never cared for D Waltrip , then and even when he was in the booth.
    B Parsons , and Buddy Baker had much better take and respect for others.
    Thanks for posting this.
    Talking with John Cooper from Indianapolis speedway about Nascar racing at the speedway in 1980 and then it was 14 yrs later before they made it there. 🆒

    • @beeemm2578
      @beeemm2578 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Waltrip was always an arrogant douche

  • @chuckcrooks2114
    @chuckcrooks2114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Back when drivers did not take the other driver out on purpose. Clean racing, more so than today.

    • @goldenltd1970
      @goldenltd1970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, but who started that BS...

    • @joeyjohnson4826
      @joeyjohnson4826 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@goldenltd1970 NASCAR with restricted plates. I mean they still beat and bank at the short tracks. NASCAR was mostly about short track these days... they have room to race. It's not a hundred 80 mile an hour traffic jam. If you don't think they took each other out back then you're sadly mistaken they didn't do it at 200 miles an hour. The biggest difference is they didn't have Twitter. Didn't have 24-hour news media much less social media. If they had an issue they pushed each other😁 and the man you're trying to accuse you could even say he died because of restrictor plate racing.😁 no big one hardly any cautions, races were over on 3 hours lol... so yeah... restrictor plates 😁

    • @BogattheMoon
      @BogattheMoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeyjohnson4826 apparently you didn't see Rusty eat shit at Talladega. And a restrictor plate had nothing to do with who dumped him.

    • @racemom2737
      @racemom2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@goldenltd1970 It started in the 50's, it's always been around. Some were known for it more so than others but it's always been around.

    • @racemom2737
      @racemom2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BogattheMoon Rusty ate shit at Talladega because it was self-inflicted. It was his own doing. He came down on Dale coming out of the tri-oval in 1993 and there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. He even admitted it as much on the Dale Jr. download a few years ago when he had his interview. Dale even said the same thing after the race was over. NASCAR was at fault for how the end of that race ended. Dale put a filthy move on Rusty coming to the caution flag when it began to rain and that should have been the end of the race. Instead Nascar decided to have a two-lap shootout. Shame on them and shame on your for your biased comment.

  • @OverTurntGamerTM
    @OverTurntGamerTM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    coo coo last race

  • @chrisking2500
    @chrisking2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Joe Millikan had more points than Dale in '79 but didn't run a full schedule and lost ROY. He ran up front the whole year and still lost his ride. I wonder what he could've done if he'd gotten to run a full schedule with a strong owner.

    • @superblindeye1
      @superblindeye1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe Barney Hall from the motor racing network mentioned something very similar. I've often wondered the same

    • @racemom2737
      @racemom2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dale didn't get to run a full schedule either. He missed four races because of an accident at Pocono. The rookie points standings were different from the Winston Cup points standings.

  • @alwaysopen7970
    @alwaysopen7970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Back when they had their names on their driving suits. It's all sponsors now.

  • @thewarwagon5649
    @thewarwagon5649 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    NO pit road speed limit, either!

    • @beeemm2578
      @beeemm2578 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mans game.....lol

  • @chrissnyder3430
    @chrissnyder3430 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What was Dale driving? Oldsmobile?

    • @chrisking2500
      @chrisking2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep, Oldsmobile with Osterlund most of the time and then a T-bird with Bud Moore I think before he switched to a Chevy with Childress.

    • @Ghostmotorfinger
      @Ghostmotorfinger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Olds 442

    • @johnriggle5336
      @johnriggle5336 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He ran Buick too

    • @BogattheMoon
      @BogattheMoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnriggle5336 when?

    • @racemom2737
      @racemom2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BogattheMoon 1979 Daytona 500 he ran a Buick in his first 500 leading ten laps and finishing 8th. Thing couldn't get out of its own way out front but it could draft well.

  • @FOH3663
    @FOH3663 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredibly dangerous ... yet no incidents of any significance.
    Wonderful

  • @MrChristopherHaas
    @MrChristopherHaas ปีที่แล้ว

    No nascar dental plan for Ken Squire? Looks like hed been dippin in the chew lol

  • @edmondcamp2878
    @edmondcamp2878 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think when Dale came up on Cale and Cale came back down on Earnhardt and took second from him that’s the day Dale found out you didn’t mess with the old guard.

    • @alwaysopen7970
      @alwaysopen7970 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Things changed quickly.
      I loved seeing Mammaw from 40 years ago.

    • @edmondcamp2878
      @edmondcamp2878 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      alwaysopen Dale said in 1984 everything he learned in Winston Cup he learned from watching Cale and Bobby(Allison).

    • @racemom2737
      @racemom2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Reaching here. Didn't really see anything out of the ordinary from either. It was the last lap and they all were racing hard for it. Dale would go on to beat Cale for the ship that year. More like... changing of the guard.

  • @DupontandLowesWarrior
    @DupontandLowesWarrior 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    42:34 Adam Petty (1980-2000)

    • @КмранАхмедов
      @КмранАхмедов 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😔

    • @EthanCanseco3737
      @EthanCanseco3737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      27:02 well same here with Patrick Depailler 1944-1980

    • @DupontandLowesWarrior
      @DupontandLowesWarrior 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EthanCanseco3737 Who?

    • @EthanCanseco3737
      @EthanCanseco3737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      uh Patrick Depailler when he was only 35 years old the same age with Tony Roper and Patrick got killed during testing hockenheimring

  • @ilmsff7
    @ilmsff7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I miss Ken Squier.

  • @johnconnor4330
    @johnconnor4330 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn't Rudd win a race per year for 15 years?

    • @BSNFabricating
      @BSNFabricating 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That streak started in 1983 and lasted 16 years if I remember right.

  • @tedgey4286
    @tedgey4286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where were all the last lap wrecks?

    • @andyharman3022
      @andyharman3022 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those had to wait for NASCAR to invent the Green-White-Checker finish.

  • @beeemm2578
    @beeemm2578 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    27:00 When Pat Depailler was killed. Damn

  • @scottyfisher2321
    @scottyfisher2321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not a fuckin Toyota in the bunch!!! Big Bill is spinning in his grave!!!!!

  • @haroldmordt4421
    @haroldmordt4421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sad to see Adam Petty as an infant

  • @MartenFerret
    @MartenFerret 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So, how many of these drivers are dead/retired?

    • @jamesbowers5946
      @jamesbowers5946 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All are retired and quite a few are dead...notably dale earnhardt, neil bonnett, and benny parsons

    • @chrissnyder3430
      @chrissnyder3430 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My favorite Cale Yarborough is still kicking! Loved the #28 Hardees Chevy/Oldsmobile

    • @chrisking2500
      @chrisking2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kyle Petty was barely 20 in this race and he's almost 60 now.

    • @ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113
      @ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      NASCAR Legend/Hall of Fame Inductee, Elzie Wylie "Buddy" Baker, died, in August of 2015 or did you want "notable" Drivers, only?

    • @alwaysopen7970
      @alwaysopen7970 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Google is your friend.

  • @FOH3663
    @FOH3663 ปีที่แล้ว

    ... "Dale Earnhardt, the new, young hard-charger of Grand National Stock Car Racing"
    "Earnhardt, a force to be reckoned with"
    His post race comments;
    @1:16:12
    Talladega was still fairly new, big wide smooth surface, absolutely grueling on those engines ... matted, all day.
    Wood Bros gearing the big Mercury tall, ... savvy.

  • @LCM2248
    @LCM2248 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does it cut off at the Parrott feature?

    • @SMIFFTV
      @SMIFFTV  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You'd have to ask the dude who recorded it 38 years ago lol.

    • @LCM2248
      @LCM2248 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't understand. So your version is not complete to the end? I have it in my collection and it has circulated for years. Yours is of one generation better quality, so I assumed you had the whole thing. Would you like to borrow it?

    • @SMIFFTV
      @SMIFFTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LCM2248 I wouldn't be opposed to that one bit! lol. How much longer is yours?

    • @LCM2248
      @LCM2248 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SMIFFTV You have the whole thing now. When I watched this when you posted it, it ended after 51 minutes. It's complete now. I don't know if it was a glitch on my computer or what. This is the full version.

    • @dannycoker6439
      @dannycoker6439 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Analog Transmissions Probably profanity.

  • @jessiehenry6314
    @jessiehenry6314 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have the '82 Talladega 500

    • @LCM2248
      @LCM2248 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I get tired of the "Do You Have" questions, but this is one of the few important ones. This and the final portion of the '81 Michigan 400 shown overnight across maybe 5 CBS affiliates nationwide

    • @de31168
      @de31168 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it happened in the 80s smifftv has it for sure!

    • @SMIFFTV
      @SMIFFTV  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have the last 50 laps of it...and the picture quality is pretty much the best I've ever seen for that era that wasn't from NASCAR's own archives. I will post it right now, since it seems to be in such high demand lol

    • @de31168
      @de31168 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ty 4 taking my request. Love the channel.

  • @johnanderson60
    @johnanderson60 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kyle Petty as baby 42:34

    • @jong7001
      @jong7001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Adam Petty RIP =( Kyle is father, in the race... that's really quite heart-wrenching how they discuss whether he'll become a race driver. I was also 2 weeks old at this point, Adam was 4 weeks old... wow.

    • @badmonkey2222
      @badmonkey2222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's Adam Petty not Kyle.

  • @smarternu
    @smarternu ปีที่แล้ว

    Nascar Sux now. No more competition among engine builders they all run good computer controls. Even the drivers were tougher, and now with the woke crap I can't stand them.