I think they need to make Forbidden Door a more special event. Do it maybe every other year? Right now it feels like all the stories are in a holding pattern for this show….
This is the first time I'm skipping Forbidden Door after buying the last two. Nothing feels like a dream match and tbh I feel like Beach Break has the better card.
Same I know people like to say oh you don’t need the story blah blah blah but yes you do need a build up for a 50$ ppv if not do it free for tv like a blood and guts or winter is coming
It's jumped the shark - if it's a once a year deal where the promotions cross over, then it would generate way more interest. But they cross over all the time. Retire it for a few years and bring it back when people would get excited for it again
There is an amazing wrestling universe that exists in Dave’s mind. Unfortunately, the rest of us don’t have access. None of what he “sees” actually exists in real life. His definition of a “star” is debatable at best.
Forbidden Door should be held outside of the US to truly feel special. If MJF vs Hechicero was happening in Arena Mexico its automatically a much bigger match
Why didnt ludvig borga ever get a wwf title shot? After beating Tatanka, I think a brief free tv match with Yokozuna vs Borga coulda been a fun and rare heel vs heel match in 93.
@jakebraff8399 it woulda had that street fighter 2 feel to it, e Honda vs Sagat. I'm not saying ppv..do it on the survivor series spectacle a week before on usa. They actually had one and did bret vs yoko on it which served zero purpose. Shoulda put borga in
i remember when dave used to criticize wwe writers for booking to please only 1 person (vince) but now he is the one person tony is booking to please and its "the best show they've ever done"
MJF vs. Hechicero was definitely the wrong call for a PPV. But MJF is one of the best overall Wrestlers in AEW. Including in the ring. So I don’t know why Meltzer still downplays Max’s wrestling ability. Just because he won’t do any corkscrew planchas. 🤷🏻♂️
The IWGP title could have been Sanada/Jack Perry last year where the build was Sanada did not know who he was (not that the build for Naito/Mox has been good either.)
Putting MJF who’s just returned from injury into a match with a guy who doesn’t even work for you is the best example of TK not having a clue about this…
Forbidden Bore 5 hours of Garbage with Japanese and Mexican wrestlers that nobody knows or cares about. What a great business concept to grow your ever shrinking audience 🙄
We get it guy. Just a long winded way of saying you don't know absolutely shit about pro wrestling at all and instead of being a man about it, you chose to be a bozo.
Your not the only one mox has got one gear act crazy n he's not really good at that I prefer mox when he just a little more normal I think his first couple runs in aew he was doing well but it's got to repetitive his promos I used to actually enjoy but nowadays we don't get much more than mox storming to ring grunting it's old he needs take a break
This forbidden door ppv...doesn't feel like the others...I'm not excited for it at all...NJPW isn't that interesting anymore...now that it's known stars left for AEW or WWE...So maybe 3 matches on this card I care about...So it should really only have 6 matches honestly.
Cornette is a joke. He does not like any wrestling style besides WWE boring pace. Why would you NOT watch it yourself and make big boY decisions on your own. ARE YOU A MUPPET. That is the problem, people listen to other dopes with biases and do not research on their own
AEW ppv same old same old they have a long predictable show with all u marks claims it’s one of greatest shows ever bla bla AEW rating won’t improve nothing will get better and same shit will happen next ppv same shit
love Dave but this guy said "street cred" like he wasn't talking about the opinions of some of the strangest, most deluded, partisan people in human history.
More like forbidden bore amirate this such a dead concept tony khan is running this shit into the ground nobody wants to see nobodies from new japan this reeks of desperation since AEW'S product is atrocious how many times can tony khan beat the dead horse with the same ol stick AEW needs to rethink this concept next year because who is this catered to?
@@gregamania1327it's boring tony khan needs to do something drastically and I don't know what that is maybe suspending the elite or do something to get them off TV for a while that's my first thought or maybe fix the commentary taz is great but it's better off for aew to have two-men on commentary instead of three that's why WWE's commentary is better because they don't have multiple people it's just two-men aew needs to adopt that idea because it's hard to even listen to it that's why AEW isn't that good in my opinion.
It's just the cool thing at the moment. I mean, if I don't like something, or want to watch something, I'm not going online to a video about that product to then engage with it lol what an utter waste of time 😂 a lot of these goofs have nothing better to do I guess lol
"Tanahashi is a legend. One of the best to ever do it." Says who? 😂.. it's like this mfer is talikg about Randy Savage or something. Tanahashi. Give me a fn break
@blablablaa14 no they couldn't, they pay that whether these guys wrestle or no. They sign what are basically exclusive deals, see Nick Plain being pulled off THE AAA show of the year. It's all...wait for it...GUARA....GUARA....GUARANTEED
@@karlm641 he'd do with putting on some size - but tbh WWE don't have that many big guys now. He'd be perfect in NXT for a year to get established/get a bit bigger, then move to the main roster
@@samrizza8785 to be honest I’m British and ZSJ even irritates me… he’s a scrawny guy who learned all the moves but isn’t believable because of his size… it’s always an issue with technical wrestlers like him, Dean malenko had the same problem
WTF you cant build every match haha does he really believe that they have 5hours of tv each week to do exactly that DAVE and mayb just maybe if aew actually did such a crazy thing its a cert that itll appeal to more people
Putting MJF who’s just returned from injury into a match with a guy who doesn’t even work for you is the best example of TK not having a clue about this…
@@chrispetrelis5013 it doesn’t matter, you need to work with a guy regularly on house shows before having a ppv match to get used to each other’s style…
@@karlm641 Totally not true. You are just repeating what you hear on podcasts. Did Omega and Okada have house shows. Did Ospreay and Danielson. That is WWE non sense
@@chrispetrelis5013 I’m repeating nothing, it’s common sense before you give your body to someone in the ring. All those guys you mentioned put themselves in more danger of being hurt as a result too
the way Dave was promoting Zer Hour
I think they need to make Forbidden Door a more special event. Do it maybe every other year? Right now it feels like all the stories are in a holding pattern for this show….
This is the first time I'm skipping Forbidden Door after buying the last two. Nothing feels like a dream match and tbh I feel like Beach Break has the better card.
I am as well.
Danielson vs Shingo?
Same I know people like to say oh you don’t need the story blah blah blah but yes you do need a build up for a 50$ ppv if not do it free for tv like a blood and guts or winter is coming
It's jumped the shark - if it's a once a year deal where the promotions cross over, then it would generate way more interest. But they cross over all the time. Retire it for a few years and bring it back when people would get excited for it again
Did Dave just said MJF will get “street cred” for having a good match with a luchador?
yes. he also said Zack sabre is the best technical wrestler in the world
There is an amazing wrestling universe that exists in Dave’s mind. Unfortunately, the rest of us don’t have access. None of what he “sees” actually exists in real life. His definition of a “star” is debatable at best.
He said 2 years ago Jungle Jackoff Perry was gonna be a star.
@@Chaz4543 ….and he was wrong.
The ppv was good first time around, but now it’s not such a forbidden door, they missed the boat on a TNA crossover. A miss for me
AEW is borning
Aew has matches
Forbidden Door should be held outside of the US to truly feel special. If MJF vs Hechicero was happening in Arena Mexico its automatically a much bigger match
The match couldn’t mean less no matter where it is held. MJF buried this masked goof.
Just dream match after dream match after dream match.
Tony Khan just gets it. Thank you Tony!
No tf its not especially after they constantly bury every promotion on aew tv
If these are your dreams, You need to sleep more.
Day dreams don't count.
Why didnt ludvig borga ever get a wwf title shot? After beating Tatanka, I think a brief free tv match with Yokozuna vs Borga coulda been a fun and rare heel vs heel match in 93.
Good question
@jakebraff8399 it woulda had that street fighter 2 feel to it, e Honda vs Sagat. I'm not saying ppv..do it on the survivor series spectacle a week before on usa. They actually had one and did bret vs yoko on it which served zero purpose. Shoulda put borga in
Next week Dynamite is gonna have Swerve challenging wheeler utah at Wembley
i remember when dave used to criticize wwe writers for booking to please only 1 person (vince) but now he is the one person tony is booking to please and its "the best show they've ever done"
But Tony and Dave have the same mind so Tony and Dave are good with the booking
MJF is better than Sabre Jr in the ring. Fight me.
How is it forbidden door when most of these wrestlers are on are programming all the time
MJF vs. Hechicero was definitely the wrong call for a PPV.
But MJF is one of the best overall Wrestlers in AEW. Including in the ring.
So I don’t know why Meltzer still downplays Max’s wrestling ability. Just because he won’t do any corkscrew planchas. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s gonna be a double whammy if MJF ends up wrestling Garcia at All In instead of Ospreay. Tony better fix his shit
That's precisely the reason. Meltzer loves his fake looking shit.
Because everyone has continuity issues its ok? Dave getting all defensive soon as someone points it out. Classic unca dave
I think people like David, should ***
The IWGP title could have been Sanada/Jack Perry last year where the build was Sanada did not know who he was (not that the build for Naito/Mox has been good either.)
It could have been and are all better off that it didn’t happen
What happened to tv title match
Dave doubting MJF in ring. What is this 2021 again
It’s a vicious cycle with IWC and MJF. “He can’t wrestle” becomes “oh he actually can!” Rinse and repeat
He thinks Ospreay is the best wrestler of all time. He has no credibility to ever speak about anyone in the ring.
@@Kratosx23he is though makes nearly every other wrestler look like a Sunday league player.
Putting MJF who’s just returned from injury into a match with a guy who doesn’t even work for you is the best example of TK not having a clue about this…
The time where NJPW was more popular in the US was before Khan poached all of its talent
Forbidden Bore 5 hours of Garbage with Japanese and Mexican wrestlers that nobody knows or cares about. What a great business concept to grow your ever shrinking audience 🙄
We get it guy. Just a long winded way of saying you don't know absolutely shit about pro wrestling at all and instead of being a man about it, you chose to be a bozo.
@@HaipaSonikku I love aew marks "if you don't like what I like, you don't know wrestling" 😂😂😂😂
@@keni95851Queen Kendra and KingSlayer went on to get married and have two kids where they lived happily ever after in their castle.
Only njpw wrestlers are the best ever ? 😂
The most depressing video for a PPV being a “really strong card”
Mox is stale. Why am i the only one that see this
Agreed
All he does is bleed
He's always been stale. The most interesting thing about him is mic work and he rarely does that. His wrestling has always sucked
Your not the only one mox has got one gear act crazy n he's not really good at that I prefer mox when he just a little more normal I think his first couple runs in aew he was doing well but it's got to repetitive his promos I used to actually enjoy but nowadays we don't get much more than mox storming to ring grunting it's old he needs take a break
i been saw this
TURGID for 6+ hours of over a dozen heatless iwc bangers!!!
I think Sabre Jr and MJF would've been good
This forbidden door ppv...doesn't feel like the others...I'm not excited for it at all...NJPW isn't that interesting anymore...now that it's known stars left for AEW or WWE...So maybe 3 matches on this card I care about...So it should really only have 6 matches honestly.
I’m only watching this video to see all the not mean things Meltzer is gonna say about AEW 😂😂😂
i won't watch it but i will hear what cornette says about it
Cornette is a joke. He does not like any wrestling style besides WWE boring pace. Why would you NOT watch it yourself and make big boY decisions on your own. ARE YOU A MUPPET. That is the problem, people listen to other dopes with biases and do not research on their own
Yeah…’Nostradamus’…or extremely poor storytelling and formatting of VERY thin storytelling
Who won the best cards of the year? This is one pay-per-view I am missing just because I don't care
AEW ppv same old same old they have a long predictable show with all u marks claims it’s one of greatest shows ever bla bla AEW rating won’t improve nothing will get better and same shit will happen next ppv same shit
Your not wrong
If the MJF/Hechi match is good, it's all cause it's MJF? Lol that's like giving David Von Erich credit for the Flair match.
love Dave but this guy said "street cred" like he wasn't talking about the opinions of some of the strangest, most deluded, partisan people in human history.
Bore-ridden Snore?
Cringe
More like forbidden bore amirate this such a dead concept tony khan is running this shit into the ground nobody wants to see nobodies from new japan this reeks of desperation since AEW'S product is atrocious how many times can tony khan beat the dead horse with the same ol stick AEW needs to rethink this concept next year because who is this catered to?
You're most likely in the same crowd that is excited about TNA jobbing to WWE Developmental. 😂
It's not atrocious though. And even you don't believe that. It's just boring.
@@gregamania1327it's boring tony khan needs to do something drastically and I don't know what that is maybe suspending the elite or do something to get them off TV for a while that's my first thought or maybe fix the commentary taz is great but it's better off for aew to have two-men on commentary instead of three that's why WWE's commentary is better because they don't have multiple people it's just two-men aew needs to adopt that idea because it's hard to even listen to it that's why AEW isn't that good in my opinion.
@@garyhenley2138but at least TNA'S working relationship with WWE is working 10X better than when AEW did it 4-years ago.
Forbidden Bore=Water Boarding
Whats with all these angry comments?
It's just the cool thing at the moment. I mean, if I don't like something, or want to watch something, I'm not going online to a video about that product to then engage with it lol what an utter waste of time 😂 a lot of these goofs have nothing better to do I guess lol
mjf needs to go to wwe.
You’re gonna have to wait at least another 4 years my guy
@@Voysh2Voysh69 I know
I agree wasntin his talent in AEW
Stop buying AEW povs many moons ago
So anybody watch smackdown? That Logan Paul match was damn good. And Paul heyman getting kicked out 😱
Mjf sucks
"Tanahashi is a legend. One of the best to ever do it."
Says who? 😂.. it's like this mfer is talikg about Randy Savage or something.
Tanahashi. Give me a fn break
Agreed. Takahashi is overrated af!
I mean... he is a legend and he WAS incredible. He's a wreck now though. But overrated? No way
Tanahashi is OVERRATED! Stop it, Dave!
Street cred 😂😂😂. Dave is the melzter approval and nobody cares
Bro no one cares about this ppv but meltzer
Lots of botches, and 500 people there to see guys who cost $2 million per show
They have like 100 people out there for every PPV, of course it costs a lot. If they did 5 matches they could save money
@blablablaa14 no they couldn't, they pay that whether these guys wrestle or no. They sign what are basically exclusive deals, see Nick Plain being pulled off THE AAA show of the year.
It's all...wait for it...GUARA....GUARA....GUARANTEED
@keni95851 still going? You should really speak to a professional
So, in other words, you won’t be watching the show?
@@ronniesouthern7829 ill check out the botches on their x feed the next day like I usually do
I am not amused by the card at all, aside from maybe a couple matches out of the 13.
Did DM call ZSJ one of the greatest technical wrestlers he’s ever seen 😂… and a “superstar” in a PWG show full of neckbeards 😂
He's an awesome chain wrestler. I'm sure he'll find his way to WWE full-time at some point
@@samrizza8785 he’d look like marco stunt next to drew and sheamus 😂
@@karlm641 he'd do with putting on some size - but tbh WWE don't have that many big guys now. He'd be perfect in NXT for a year to get established/get a bit bigger, then move to the main roster
@@samrizza8785 to be honest I’m British and ZSJ even irritates me… he’s a scrawny guy who learned all the moves but isn’t believable because of his size… it’s always an issue with technical wrestlers like him, Dean malenko had the same problem
WTF you cant build every match haha does he really believe that they have 5hours of tv each week to do exactly that DAVE and mayb just maybe if aew actually did such a crazy thing its a cert that itll appeal to more people
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Putting MJF who’s just returned from injury into a match with a guy who doesn’t even work for you is the best example of TK not having a clue about this…
Hechicero is one of the best wrestlers in the world. Are you serious. Watch the guy wrestle. He is like nobody else
@@chrispetrelis5013 it doesn’t matter, you need to work with a guy regularly on house shows before having a ppv match to get used to each other’s style…
@@karlm641 Totally not true. You are just repeating what you hear on podcasts. Did Omega and Okada have house shows. Did Ospreay and Danielson. That is WWE non sense
@@chrispetrelis5013 I’m repeating nothing, it’s common sense before you give your body to someone in the ring. All those guys you mentioned put themselves in more danger of being hurt as a result too
@@karlm641 IT MAKES NO SENSE. AEW HAS BETTER MATCHES THEN WWE AND THEY DO NOT HAVE HOUSE SHOWS YOU MUPPET