Ace's elemental ability has the advantage over Akoiji's ice ability. However, Akoiji is a notch or two higher than Ace when it comes to overall fighting skill.
People saying Ace was weak, he was a commander on WB crew and a logia, not only that but he has a 550,000,000 bounty. It was also stated that all of WB commander's could use haki, so this also includes Ace.
You realized he could've used haki against Akainu to block his attack right...? Like Marco did, but why put his life on the line when he could've just used haki to block? I highly doubt he knew how to use haki very well at all, he relied on his devil fruit way too much.
+Princess Juliet Lockheart Uchiha-Okumura because if he used haki to black akainu 's attack then he wouldn't die, if he doesn't die then no time skip,no time skip=no haki to luffy=luffy weak=luffy no pirate king= one piece turn shit.good enough?
+Princess Juliet Lockheart Uchiha-Okumura it was a 2 second thing ace was burned by akainu at that moment and he went to kill luffy at full speed ace probably thought of using haki but akainus hand probably pierced him by the time he got there
Look aokiji , it clearly states that ice Pokemon are at an disadvantage against fire Pokemon and magma Pokemon even worst disadvantage for ice Pokemon.
BJ Gamer actually oda stated that certain fruits are the weakness of other fruits. Luffy's fruit > enel's fruit. Mr. 3 fruit > Magellan's fruit. Aikanu's fruit > ace's fruit. And so on..
Finally. I'm so sick of hearing that he died because he picked a fight, and was being an idiot. Akainu would have attacked Luffy anyway, his legs had given out and he was distracted. I highly doubt that Ace would have survived regardless. It was just to show that he couldn't phase the next blow, because otherwise the death would have been cheap.
holy shit you just blew my mind, i never thought of that... makes total sense (Judging from the alabasta arc tho, i know ace has haki and he could've used that against akainu but hey, people make mistakes when tired lol)
Ace had the conquerors haki and knew he had it so why did he never train with it like luffy did. Maybe he was putting it off because he thought his fire logia would be enough for now? Never really made sense to me though
well if he were alive he would learn more about haki.....he was young anyways. i mean he already knew how to use few haki (but not conqueror's haki) but at worse level than luffy can use after timeskip (since he had also the logia ability from young age it was like having a godlike power before new world). boa hancock also knews that she has it but she cant use it.....obviously is not something easy to master.
Zaiden00 um it's not stated that she ''cant'' use it, she never was pushed hard enough to use it, they only seem to use it when their life is under a complete threat with no escape, though ace was chained up, he clearly wasnt at a level of using it when he needs to, he clearly just accepted his death and didnt even bother to attempt to use his willpower
thats actually smart, i never thought of that. But then again when ace saved luffy well in the anime, he moved luffy grabbing him by his upper vest. Still youre probably right, he used his solid body
@EtcGtMporw magma can actually be frozen since its also rock. fire is pure energy. u cant freeze it. just cuz A>B and B>C doesnt mean A>C. hope that helps :p
Absolute Zero. That would make Aokiji invincible. The temperature is nothing more than a scale to measure the atom's movements. Freeze these movements and its all over, no matter what crazy power your foe has.
emille mcmillan and what about White holes? This also makes Kizaru a counter to BB, since BB has the Dark Dark fruit, which is darkness, but darkness cannot overcome light, only light can. I know that BB can create Black Holes. That skill which Oda gave him is stupid, because Black Holes are not connected with darkness, but with gravity instead. But there's also an opposite thing to Black Holes. *White Holes*. In general relativity, a white hole is a hypothetical region of spacetime which cannot be entered from the outside, although matter and light can escape from it. In this sense, it is the reverse of a black hole. Now tell me again who's the strongest, dear black butt hole bro
Ace was really strong.I mean fighting navy admiral on par is really brave. He may not have had been able to beat navy admiral in one on one full fight.I know this was short battle.But still he had all the abilities to be a pirate king if he was not reckless.I mean just by the age 20 it took entire marine force and warlords to successfully execute his execution. He was naturally stronger than luffy.Luffy had to train hard to become strong but ace was strong from the beginning.
bajram gashi actualy aces fruit is stronger . Aokiji is an admiral that means he mastered hes fruit which means he has awekening which proves why he could fight akainu. We dont no how strong ace would be if he had awekened since many beilive that the flame fruit is supirior to akainus magma fruit if awekened
NEOS 543 not to mention he can coat his ice with haki and aokiji can laso freeze magma seen on z movie yes its non canon but aokini and akainu's fight lasted 10 days dammit
You say that like Ace wasn't holding back as well. People underrate Ace but he was still a Top Tier fighter. He was known to have destroyed whole cities and islands and anyone who knew Ace acknowledged his strength including Shanks and Blackbeard. He even awakened Armament Haki before coming into WB ship. he wasn't one of the top fighters of a Yonko crew for no reason.
I just check the wiki and it said that haki allows you to touch the "substantial body" and I think that term is what is causing the confusion, there a devil fruits that change what the body is made up of with Logia it's an element with Luffy his body becomes rubber so haki allows you to treat their body like it is a normal persons but with Buggy his body is just like a regular person but he can separate it and haki doesn't negate abilities so he would be unaffected
A Water-Water fruit which may not be logical, is still practical. It is SEA water which devil fruit eaters are somewhat "allergic" to and become pretty much useless to. Aokiji's devil fruit allows him to freely control the ice meaning he can choose the ratio of water to ice to create slush. You see this when whitebeard stabs Aokiji with his weapon (using haki) and Aokiji responds by predicting where the stab would land and turning that area into "slush" and creating a hole.
i agree, and also since Akainu's power is stronger than Aces, Aokji's must hv had a bigger disadvantage fighting Akainu and still he was able to fight for ten days
the moment u use haki on a certain part of the devil fruit user (eg. his hands). only that part will become invalidated. so buggy would still get cut up as long as the part that is being cut has haki infused. Benn beckman of the red hair pirates infuses haki into his bullets thus even Kizaru is afraid of him and surrendered to him when the war was ended by shanks. Shows that even if u r a logia, as long as haki is around the attacking object, u will be injured.
the 3 admirals stopped the shockwave by whitebeard just by the use of haki during the war, that itself says a lot about how powerful the admirals haki really is
if buggy is sliced with haki it will not affect him because haki would not affect his devil fruit, only if your devil fruit changes your body into something not substantial like rubber or fire would haki negate it so Buggy's ability is completely unaffected by haki
+Brandon Saephan We haven't seen any logia awakenings yet, but I'd imagine that it wouldn't differ too much from the paramecia type. Like how Doflamingo could convert other matter into strings, a logia may be able to warp the surroundings to their element as well.
yeah i figured. It's hard to understand how Haki affects a fight between two Logia users. We saw the Logia fight(Ace vs Blackbeard) without haki, but maybe haki lessens the damage of devil fruit powers . . .
What I mean is that it looked like their strengths was Akainu>Ace>Aokiji, but going by the fact that Aokiji was only BARELY beaten by Akainu, it seems like Ace shouldn't have been beaten so outright by Akainu while Ace also was beating Aokiji handily. During Ace vs Aokiji it looked like: Akainu>Ace>Aokiji. After the Akainu vs Aokiji fight it looked like: Akainu>Aokiji>Ace.
True, but Aokijis Logia is still somewhat unique since it is the only logia element so far that is not intanglibale, meaning he cant completley transform into his element because he would not be able to move.
whitebeard didnt held back against him cuz he used haki but now reading current manga i understan what happened was that for a person with haki has to match the speed of the logia type user to actually hit them but if logia user is faster then the haki user the can avoid the hit and thats what had happened
yeah haki needs to be trained but in the new world it's common knowledge and quite a few people have good amount of expertise in it and haki does even the playing field by allowing characters to fight against some of the more overpowered abilities but it doesn't render dfs obsolete
first of all, ace wasnt actually fighting against akainu, he actually jumped infront of luffy to save him, having no intention of fighting and just sacrificing himself for luffy's sake.
Well, to be fair, Blackbeard was able to scar Shanks (at a point when Shanks was regularly dueling Mihawk, and had both arms). On top of that, Blackbeard had gotten an insanely powerful DF. Blackbeard was and is insanely strong. And getting owned by Akainu doesn't make someone weak. Akainu was able to melt half of Whitebeard's head off. He defeated Aokiji. That's hardly getting 'owned by everyone'. 2nd division commander of WB pirates is VERY strong.
i'm still wondering when will we get to see someone with the mizu-mizu fruit, lol though i'm thinking that maybe Gold Roger had that devil fruit since Ace's fruit was fire, maybe roger's was Water.. :P
If it's any consolation prize, Oda did a "what if" where Ace and Luffy were saved by Sabo. img00.deviantart.net/9412/i/2017/186/2/6/oda_drew_sabo_saving_ace_and_luffy_from_akainu_____by_mada654-dbf8258.jpg
@Bliazy1 On top of that, he was at a power-type disadvantage with Akainu. Akainu's magma could smother Ace's fire. As noted here, Ace has more of an advantage in terms of Devil Fruit powers. Just because X lost to Y, who fought Z to a standstill for a long time doesn't mean X would also lose to Z. One Piece fights don't work like that unless raw physical power is all that's involved and, really, how often does THAT happen?
Armanent haki works on the individuals whose bodies are not "solid" eg luffy's rubber body and normal logias but Buggy's body is solid, his ability is that his body turns into sections, but the body parts are still just like a regular human's just in parts as a result haki would not invalidate his ability
I've already talked about that and we have seen instance were haki has been used to hit people whose bodies are not solid i.e Luffy and Logias as well as defending against previously unblockable DF abilties "ope ope" but Buggy's df does not fall into any previous examples and I seriously doubt Haki can negate every single DF ability and until Oda shows something that disproves what I've said that's what I going with
When magma cools it becomes "ground", when fire stops it simply disappears and more fire can fill that gap. That's why aokiji would have somewhat of a chance against magma,but could be overpowered by Ace
akoiji's haki is probably the most powerful among the admirals cuz even whitebeard couldn't put a scracth on him when facing head on, jozu and marco only got a hit when he wasn't paying attention and even though he had a huge DF disadvantage against akainu it was still a close fight cuz akoiji's skill and haki was much greater, akoiji only held back and lety them through easily without chasing them cuz garp saved his life but akainu went all out and ace and rest of the commanders got wrecked
Of course, but shouldn't Akainu have an even bigger advantage over Aokiji since in the story they made lava>fire. I guess haki helped Aokiji a lot . . .?
With Haki Mihawk could cut Buggy. Logia's are not the only ones who are disadvantaged by Haki. It's the same with Garp and Luffy, he can punch him because his haki is allowing him to attack Luffy's real body, under the rubber. So I guess you could say Mihawk could but Buggy, and Buggy could put himself back together, but the injuries he would sustain would still be there.
It took me a while to say anything about the matter cause I had to think about it for a bit. We aren't using normal laws of nature here. In the war all of Akainu's attacks melted the ice instantly. Even factoring in Haki, Aokiji was still at a clear disadvantage. I'm sure Oda made it 10 days to make both Admirals look more powerful (mainly Aokiji). I can also think of a myriad of strategies Aokiji could implement to survive. He just never could win.
1) Magma is composed of molten rock, which should be able to smother 'ordinary' fire (the yellow-orange flame Ace was composed of) and cut off its supply of oxygen, thus extinguishing the fire. 2) ALL MARINES RANKED VICE ADMIRAL AND HIGHER HAVE HAKI! CONFIRMED! Therefore Sakazuki has the ability to use haki. Just because they don't show it doesn't mean they aren't using it- take Rayleigh vs Borsalino for example.
People underrate Ace but he was still a Top Tier fighter. You think just any decent NW fighter with average strength could clash against Aokiji's ice just because they use fire? By the he became a Division Commander, Ace was known to have destroyed whole cities and islands and anyone who knew him acknowledged his strength including the likes of 2 Yonko and a future Yonko (at the time). He even awakened Armament Haki before coming into WB ship and during one of his 100+ fights with Whiteboard he even dealt damage (albeit minor) n burned him. He could've been a Shichibukai if he wanted. he wasn't one of the top fighters of a Yonko crew for no reason.
Hasnain Raza he's awakened both. he was confirmed to have awakened Armament Haki in a fight with a Vice Admiral during his travels before onto WB's ship. It's officially published in One Piece novel: A
Not too sure how that ice got melted. Fire/flames aren’t a solid so the ice should have went right through. Considering fire can only get so hot before it’s called something else.
Buggy can be hurt with Haki imbued weaponry, just like Luffy can be slapped around by Garp's fist of love. Buggy however can save himself by detaching his body before it gets cut. And no, Mihawk doesn't know Haki as far as we know since no one can actually beat him so far, he doesn't need to know it. As Luffy demonstrated, one can actually overcome Haki with enough brute force (Boa Marigold), which Mihawk has in spades.
Mihawk cut buggy. Buggy's df power allows him to be cut up. Hes not a logia type where haki has to be used to find the owner's "real" body. So therefore it wouldn't be that easy to kill buggy with a haki strengthened attack.
Well, I see it the same way I did when luffy went up against enel. By all accounts luffy should've had no chance against him. His DF is still one of the most destructive logia types, he is super fast because of his lightning and he had obvservation haki that allowed him to predict moves, an he can take a punch or two. U saw how easily he took out Zoroaster an several others wit little to no effort. But luffy flat out took him down simply because hes rubber. Natural advantage is a huge deal.
But like I said before lava in reality doesn't really affect ice as much as fire would since its just heated rock, which is hotter depending on the location but cools easier. Even with haki you don't fight someone for 10 days straight wit one having a huge advantage over another on elemental weaknesses. So I believe that their powers cancal each other out and are near equal in strength.
@EtcGtMporw That isnt the same Ace that fought against Blackbeard if so it would have been different. Not saying that we would've won but he would at least be able to stand his ground like Marco did.
If even the slightest part of Buggy got hit with a haki attack it would weaken him and more so actually damage whatever part he cut. However when Buggy and Mihawk did meet, He really seemed not interested but it would be understandable how you could image that he would win. But i am sure Mihawk isnt someone stupid enough to just keep trying the same trick over and over and probably would soak his blade in water or use a blunt item.
Aokiji: "I chose you Articuno!"
Ace: Bitch Please I'm Charizard
Akainu:Bitch Please I'm Primal Groudon
@@alexsalvador9579 You mean Magmortar maybe
Damn, two of my favorite and two of the coolest characters out there!
Epicness!
lol Kuzan summoned Articuno into battle
ace summons moltress, its super effective
And akainu ho-oh lvl100 lol!!!
bill kefallinos i am picturing a japanese old man talking english and is like Ho-Oh impressive.
Kkkkkkkk realy
Groudon
Ace's elemental ability has the advantage over Akoiji's ice ability. However, Akoiji is a notch or two higher than Ace when it comes to overall fighting skill.
You mean haki
Aokiji was over 40 at Marinford , ace was only 19.
Diloche Basse Ace was 20
@@benromeromontoya9493 not really. Ace had pretty impressive Haki at this time
NORAN RAD I doubt it, he got pretty suprised when he found out he could be hit.
青雉の技の発音大好き
Vista's Moustache For the F*cking Win
ACE is so HOT,, and aokiji is COOL.
LOL I saw what you did back there
And Akainu is Hotter.
TheNari007 then...kizaru is lighter
And kizaru is more fabulous looking
And Doflamingo has swag
People saying Ace was weak, he was a commander on WB crew and a logia, not only that but he has a 550,000,000 bounty. It was also stated that all of WB commander's could use haki, so this also includes Ace.
You realized he could've used haki against Akainu to block his attack right...? Like Marco did, but why put his life on the line when he could've just used haki to block? I highly doubt he knew how to use haki very well at all, he relied on his devil fruit way too much.
+Princess Juliet Lockheart Uchiha-Okumura well it was akainu after all but offscreen ace needed to die anyway so there's no point in questioning oda
+Princess Juliet Lockheart Uchiha-Okumura because if he used haki to black akainu 's attack then he wouldn't die, if he doesn't die then no time skip,no time skip=no haki to luffy=luffy weak=luffy no pirate king= one piece turn shit.good enough?
+Princess Juliet Lockheart Uchiha-Okumura it was a 2 second thing ace was burned by akainu at that moment and he went to kill luffy at full speed ace probably thought of using haki but akainus hand probably pierced him by the time he got there
+Princess Juliet Lockheart Uchiha-Okumura agreed
Look aokiji , it clearly states that ice Pokemon are at an disadvantage against fire Pokemon and magma Pokemon even worst disadvantage for ice Pokemon.
It's about how strong you haki is, not ur devil fruit.
BJ Gamer actually oda stated that certain fruits are the weakness of other fruits. Luffy's fruit > enel's fruit. Mr. 3 fruit > Magellan's fruit. Aikanu's fruit > ace's fruit. And so on..
Yea
And I want Oda to answer why is there no water when Ice got melted by Fire?
Rockha2 evaporates.
PEZANTO BECKKK!!!
XD
KIO KEN!!
peasant beck
Whoever made this OST at one is literally a God of music made this scene 10x more epic
I seriously hope we get to see some amazing battles Ace had in the upcoming arcs. Any flashback involving Ace would be epic!!
Ikr
you got it
in wano 1 min xDDD
Coming soon in Wano
ace was weak af at this time, he was tortured in impel down, he probably didn't have much energy, he also died because he was saving luffy
Finally. I'm so sick of hearing that he died because he picked a fight, and was being an idiot. Akainu would have attacked Luffy anyway, his legs had given out and he was distracted. I highly doubt that Ace would have survived regardless. It was just to show that he couldn't phase the next blow, because otherwise the death would have been cheap.
either way he is not beating an admiral I mean he can put up a good fight but there is a gap between them
Aokiji >>>>>> Ace regardless
Ace fought aokiji to a standstill
Ace lost to akainu only because of the superiorty of magma
Ophallin Mcleost It was a DF clash not a fight you damn Yonko tard 😂😂👏
holy shit you just blew my mind, i never thought of that... makes total sense (Judging from the alabasta arc tho, i know ace has haki and he could've used that against akainu but hey, people make mistakes when tired lol)
I agree with you my friend. Its sad that WB died so soon.
"Fire beats ice! HWAH!"
"Lava beats fire. HUUH!"
"Noooooo!"
gamewizard2008 no
ice=fire its logic
For people who say magma>aokiji ice go watch the movie Z he froze an entire eruptin volcano
People need to remember that the fight lasted literally 10 full days.
**cough*non-canon*cough**
In the movie it's canon says it in wiki Blame
Tony Tony Chopper
None of the Movies are canon, Z however is a canon character, just like Shiki
But it says it :O your pretty much calling gol D. Roger non-canon because he fight shiki... They're canon , Z movie is canon -_-
Ace had the conquerors haki and knew he had it so why did he never train with it like luffy did. Maybe he was putting it off because he thought his fire logia would be enough for now? Never really made sense to me though
well if he were alive he would learn more about haki.....he was young anyways. i mean he already knew how to use few haki (but not conqueror's haki) but at worse level than luffy can use after timeskip (since he had also the logia ability from young age it was like having a godlike power before new world). boa hancock also knews that she has it but she cant use it.....obviously is not something easy to master.
Zaiden00 um it's not stated that she ''cant'' use it, she never was pushed hard enough to use it, they only seem to use it when their life is under a complete threat with no escape, though ace was chained up, he clearly wasnt at a level of using it when he needs to, he clearly just accepted his death and didnt even bother to attempt to use his willpower
He used it as a kid Zaiden in the junk yard. It would have been useless against Akainu
Some ppl are just born with it
Joe Crockenberg You can't train your conqueror's Haki. Rayleigh stated it. Also, him knowing it better wouldn't change much
相性良いからと言っても一応戦える力はあるから流石隊長って感じやな
lol i love ur example xD
thats actually smart, i never thought of that. But then again when ace saved luffy well in the anime, he moved luffy grabbing him by his upper vest. Still youre probably right, he used his solid body
0:28 luffy : i'll better get the fuck outta here
Ace is 2nd division commander and Sabo is No.2 Revolutionary Army and Luffy Captain of StrawHats Pirates. 😁😁😁
@EtcGtMporw magma can actually be frozen since its also rock. fire is pure energy. u cant freeze it. just cuz A>B and B>C doesnt mean A>C. hope that helps :p
Absolute Zero. That would make Aokiji invincible.
The temperature is nothing more than a scale to measure the atom's movements.
Freeze these movements and its all over, no matter what crazy power your foe has.
+Slayerx49 A nice name for an Awakened technique
Ice is underrated
maplebobo
My favorite power in fiction!
Imo ice and electricity are the scariest elements
emille mcmillan and what about White holes?
This also makes Kizaru a counter to BB, since BB has the Dark Dark fruit, which is darkness, but darkness cannot overcome light, only light can. I know that BB can create Black Holes. That skill which Oda gave him is stupid, because Black Holes are not connected with darkness, but with gravity instead.
But there's also an opposite thing to Black Holes. *White Holes*.
In general relativity, a white hole is a hypothetical region of spacetime which cannot be entered from the outside, although matter and light can escape from it. In this sense, it is the reverse of a black hole.
Now tell me again who's the strongest, dear black butt hole bro
aoikiji was holding back
for sure
good luck to both of u trying to throw a globe of ice into the sun.
세븐체인저 Clyde good luck to you trying to melt an ice age with a campfire
king elite24
ace is fire, can go up to as much as the heat of sun.
what campfire? lol
세븐체인저 Clyde lol far from it. where did you hear that he can be as hot as the sun?
Ace was really strong.I mean fighting navy admiral on par is really brave. He may not have had been able to beat navy admiral in one on one full fight.I know this was short battle.But still he had all the abilities to be a pirate king if he was not reckless.I mean just by the age 20 it took entire marine force and warlords to successfully execute his execution. He was naturally stronger than luffy.Luffy had to train hard to become strong but ace was strong from the beginning.
Luffy would have been stronger than ace lol. Ace was forced to join whitebeard! I doubt luffy would even get into that position
+Jay Ray please stop. Ace wasn't forced to join WB and if Luffy done what Ace did he would of landed in the same situation.
Salty Tsuna You literally just contradicted yourself.
Jay Ray How? I was comparing Ace and Luffy I never contradicted anything.
Salty Tsuna Luffy wouldn't ever be in the same position that Ace was.
Aokiji was holding back, he is an cool guy, while akainu just fucked up ace for good, its not like ace can do anything to aokiji...
bajram gashi Akainu was a bitch going for Luffy + he got fodderized by WB but SOMEHOW survived.
Plot
bajram gashi actualy aces fruit is stronger . Aokiji is an admiral that means he mastered hes fruit which means he has awekening which proves why he could fight akainu.
We dont no how strong ace would be if he had awekened since many beilive that the flame fruit is supirior to akainus magma fruit if awekened
NEOS 543 not to mention he can coat his ice with haki and aokiji can laso freeze magma seen on z movie yes its non canon but aokini and akainu's fight lasted 10 days dammit
You say that like Ace wasn't holding back as well. People underrate Ace but he was still a Top Tier fighter. He was known to have destroyed whole cities and islands and anyone who knew Ace acknowledged his strength including Shanks and Blackbeard. He even awakened Armament Haki before coming into WB ship. he wasn't one of the top fighters of a Yonko crew for no reason.
Don't you mean Conqueror's Haki?
I love the way Aokiji says PHEASANT BEAK :-D
I was think the same thing lol. Pheasant Bek!!
Aokiji is a good person, i hope to see him again in the manga maybe as rufy's friend
I just check the wiki and it said that haki allows you to touch the "substantial body" and I think that term is what is causing the confusion, there a devil fruits that change what the body is made up of with Logia it's an element with Luffy his body becomes rubber so haki allows you to treat their body like it is a normal persons but with Buggy his body is just like a regular person but he can separate it and haki doesn't negate abilities so he would be unaffected
finally someone that has made a sensible comment thats actauly true
エースカッコイイ
0:38 the Pheasant Beak spam in the game ahah
A Water-Water fruit which may not be logical, is still practical. It is SEA water which devil fruit eaters are somewhat "allergic" to and become pretty much useless to. Aokiji's devil fruit allows him to freely control the ice meaning he can choose the ratio of water to ice to create slush. You see this when whitebeard stabs Aokiji with his weapon (using haki) and Aokiji responds by predicting where the stab would land and turning that area into "slush" and creating a hole.
Akainu vs Ace = Heatran vs Ho-Oh
+S0M4LIA Heatran vs Entei
+S0M4LIA Heatran vs Entei
groudon vs entei
nice
Sugma vs Ponyta
i agree, and also since Akainu's power is stronger than Aces, Aokji's must hv had a bigger disadvantage fighting Akainu and still he was able to fight for ten days
What song is that when Ace and Aokiji fights? It ain't half bad
この青キジの暴雉嘴の言い方めちゃすこ
the moment u use haki on a certain part of the devil fruit user (eg. his hands). only that part will become invalidated. so buggy would still get cut up as long as the part that is being cut has haki infused.
Benn beckman of the red hair pirates infuses haki into his bullets thus even Kizaru is afraid of him and surrendered to him when the war was ended by shanks. Shows that even if u r a logia, as long as haki is around the attacking object, u will be injured.
the 3 admirals stopped the shockwave by whitebeard just by the use of haki during the war, that itself says a lot about how powerful the admirals haki really is
I was about to point that out. People tend to forget that Haki exist because they are blinded by the Logia powers that the Admirals hold.
if buggy is sliced with haki it will not affect him because haki would not affect his devil fruit, only if your devil fruit changes your body into something not substantial like rubber or fire would haki negate it so Buggy's ability is completely unaffected by haki
Man i wonder how the mera mera no mi and aokijii's ice fruit awakenings would look like
Aokiji's awakening was probably the result of punk hazard.
Ace's would've probably been blue flames.
+Brandon Saephan We haven't seen any logia awakenings yet, but I'd imagine that it wouldn't differ too much from the paramecia type. Like how Doflamingo could convert other matter into strings, a logia may be able to warp the surroundings to their element as well.
Max Johnson Yeah, I'm aware we haven't, but it's a popular speculation that Aokiji and Akainu's awakening was the result of punk hazard.
0:39 pheasant beak satisfying engrish
yeah i figured. It's hard to understand how Haki affects a fight between two Logia users. We saw the Logia fight(Ace vs Blackbeard) without haki, but maybe haki lessens the damage of devil fruit powers . . .
What I mean is that it looked like their strengths was Akainu>Ace>Aokiji, but going by the fact that Aokiji was only BARELY beaten by Akainu, it seems like Ace shouldn't have been beaten so outright by Akainu while Ace also was beating Aokiji handily. During Ace vs Aokiji it looked like: Akainu>Ace>Aokiji. After the Akainu vs Aokiji fight it looked like: Akainu>Aokiji>Ace.
I agree, I think ace was somewhere between vice admiral and admiral level. But not at admiral level.
Natsu vs Grey
True, but Aokijis Logia is still somewhat unique since it is the only logia element so far that is not intanglibale, meaning he cant completley transform into his element because he would not be able to move.
I'd like to see a Logia Type, comprised of Liquid Nitrogen as it's element... That would be so OP.
Or maybe a Steam Type Logia.
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I wish that Ace would have remained in the Alabasta arc and fought Crocodile. He might've actually been able to come out on top.
whitebeard didnt held back against him cuz he used haki but now reading current manga i understan what happened was that for a person with haki has to match the speed of the logia type user to actually hit them but if logia user is faster then the haki user the can avoid the hit and thats what had happened
yeah haki needs to be trained but in the new world it's common knowledge and quite a few people have good amount of expertise in it and haki does even the playing field by allowing characters to fight against some of the more overpowered abilities but it doesn't render dfs obsolete
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first of all, ace wasnt actually fighting against akainu, he actually jumped infront of luffy to save him, having no intention of fighting and just sacrificing himself for luffy's sake.
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Well, to be fair, Blackbeard was able to scar Shanks (at a point when Shanks was regularly dueling Mihawk, and had both arms). On top of that, Blackbeard had gotten an insanely powerful DF. Blackbeard was and is insanely strong.
And getting owned by Akainu doesn't make someone weak. Akainu was able to melt half of Whitebeard's head off. He defeated Aokiji.
That's hardly getting 'owned by everyone'.
2nd division commander of WB pirates is VERY strong.
Aokiji: Okay I done making bird. You guys see that I too tried to stop Ace from escaping right? Time to AFK again.
I understand the haki part which makes sense why he would be able to touch him but the difference in their powers still doesn't mean anything
i'm still wondering when will we get to see someone with the mizu-mizu fruit, lol though i'm thinking that maybe Gold Roger had that devil fruit since Ace's fruit was fire, maybe roger's was Water.. :P
Ace you should have lived! My heart breaks everytime I see you with Luffy. Why Oda! Why!?
If it's any consolation prize, Oda did a "what if" where Ace and Luffy were saved by Sabo.
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Fire melts ice, and water nullifies fire.
@Bliazy1 On top of that, he was at a power-type disadvantage with Akainu. Akainu's magma could smother Ace's fire. As noted here, Ace has more of an advantage in terms of Devil Fruit powers. Just because X lost to Y, who fought Z to a standstill for a long time doesn't mean X would also lose to Z. One Piece fights don't work like that unless raw physical power is all that's involved and, really, how often does THAT happen?
Armanent haki works on the individuals whose bodies are not "solid" eg luffy's rubber body and normal logias but Buggy's body is solid, his ability is that his body turns into sections, but the body parts are still just like a regular human's just in parts as a result haki would not invalidate his ability
Aokiji's Pheasant Beak in French translates to "death of Bin Laden" (according to the captions :D)
That 1 time hype if that fight continued akoji would have stomped.
Not really. The only area I see Aokiji winning is endurance
Scorpion vs Sub-Zero. Classic.
I've already talked about that and we have seen instance were haki has been used to hit people whose bodies are not solid i.e Luffy and Logias as well as defending against previously unblockable DF abilties "ope ope" but Buggy's df does not fall into any previous examples and I seriously doubt Haki can negate every single DF ability and until Oda shows something that disproves what I've said that's what I going with
Ace had so much potential but he was used as a plot device 😔
why are you talking about Pokemon xD I don't really like that show but some of my friends do.
Ace lands flame mirror : It's super effective!
When magma cools it becomes "ground", when fire stops it simply disappears and more fire can fill that gap. That's why aokiji would have somewhat of a chance against magma,but could be overpowered by Ace
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akoiji's haki is probably the most powerful among the admirals cuz even whitebeard couldn't put a scracth on him when facing head on, jozu and marco only got a hit when he wasn't paying attention and even though he had a huge DF disadvantage against akainu it was still a close fight cuz akoiji's skill and haki was much greater, akoiji only held back and lety them through easily without chasing them cuz garp saved his life but akainu went all out and ace and rest of the commanders got wrecked
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If Mihawk turned his sword SIDEWAYS, it's over for Buggy :)
Of course, but shouldn't Akainu have an even bigger advantage over Aokiji since in the story they made lava>fire. I guess haki helped Aokiji a lot . . .?
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That would make Aokiji an Iceberg right ?
That volcano will crumble and sink like the Titanic xD
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With Haki Mihawk could cut Buggy. Logia's are not the only ones who are disadvantaged by Haki. It's the same with Garp and Luffy, he can punch him because his haki is allowing him to attack Luffy's real body, under the rubber. So I guess you could say Mihawk could but Buggy, and Buggy could put himself back together, but the injuries he would sustain would still be there.
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It took me a while to say anything about the matter cause I had to think about it for a bit. We aren't using normal laws of nature here. In the war all of Akainu's attacks melted the ice instantly. Even factoring in Haki, Aokiji was still at a clear disadvantage. I'm sure Oda made it 10 days to make both Admirals look more powerful (mainly Aokiji). I can also think of a myriad of strategies Aokiji could implement to survive. He just never could win.
1) Magma is composed of molten rock, which should be able to smother 'ordinary' fire (the yellow-orange flame Ace was composed of) and cut off its supply of oxygen, thus extinguishing the fire.
2) ALL MARINES RANKED VICE ADMIRAL AND HIGHER HAVE HAKI! CONFIRMED! Therefore Sakazuki has the ability to use haki. Just because they don't show it doesn't mean they aren't using it- take Rayleigh vs Borsalino for example.
People underrate Ace but he was still a Top Tier fighter. You think just any decent NW fighter with average strength could clash against Aokiji's ice just because they use fire? By the he became a Division Commander, Ace was known to have destroyed whole cities and islands and anyone who knew him acknowledged his strength including the likes of 2 Yonko and a future Yonko (at the time). He even awakened Armament Haki before coming into WB ship and during one of his 100+ fights with Whiteboard he even dealt damage (albeit minor) n burned him. He could've been a Shichibukai if he wanted. he wasn't one of the top fighters of a Yonko crew for no reason.
He awakened conquerors haki not arnament haki lol
Hasnain Raza he's awakened both. he was confirmed to have awakened Armament Haki in a fight with a Vice Admiral during his travels before onto WB's ship. It's officially published in One Piece novel: A
Didnt know that
Hasnain Raza yeah bro there's actually a lot we don't know about Ace's travels, which is the main reason he's underestimated so often
aokiji thwrows anivia lol does akainu throws brands?
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Not too sure how that ice got melted. Fire/flames aren’t a solid so the ice should have went right through. Considering fire can only get so hot before it’s called something else.
Its not JUST fire, Its his arm.
Buggy can be hurt with Haki imbued weaponry, just like Luffy can be slapped around by Garp's fist of love. Buggy however can save himself by detaching his body before it gets cut. And no, Mihawk doesn't know Haki as far as we know since no one can actually beat him so far, he doesn't need to know it. As Luffy demonstrated, one can actually overcome Haki with enough brute force (Boa Marigold), which Mihawk has in spades.
Mihawk cut buggy. Buggy's df power allows him to be cut up. Hes not a logia type where haki has to be used to find the owner's "real" body. So therefore it wouldn't be that easy to kill buggy with a haki strengthened attack.
Well, I see it the same way I did when luffy went up against enel. By all accounts luffy should've had no chance against him. His DF is still one of the most destructive logia types, he is super fast because of his lightning and he had obvservation haki that allowed him to predict moves, an he can take a punch or two. U saw how easily he took out Zoroaster an several others wit little to no effort. But luffy flat out took him down simply because hes rubber. Natural advantage is a huge deal.
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It looked like Ace when in this video to me.
But like I said before lava in reality doesn't really affect ice as much as fire would since its just heated rock, which is hotter depending on the location but cools easier. Even with haki you don't fight someone for 10 days straight wit one having a huge advantage over another on elemental weaknesses. So I believe that their powers cancal each other out and are near equal in strength.
@EtcGtMporw That isnt the same Ace that fought against Blackbeard if so it would have been different. Not saying that we would've won but he would at least be able to stand his ground like Marco did.
Why is his name Kuzan and at the same time his name is Aokiji? Is Kuzan a tittle when you get to be one of the admirals?
No, no, Kuzan is his real name, Aokiji is just a nickname
Ivan Marin its kuzan aokiji xd
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Are you just saying that because you like ice more as an element? Or is there something that confirms that ice is better than lava?
If even the slightest part of Buggy got hit with a haki attack it would weaken him and more so actually damage whatever part he cut. However when Buggy and Mihawk did meet, He really seemed not interested but it would be understandable how you could image that he would win. But i am sure Mihawk isnt someone stupid enough to just keep trying the same trick over and over and probably would soak his blade in water or use a blunt item.