Marvel already did a reboot, it was called The Ultimate Universe. They've done it two more times since with varying success. Tossing sixty years of continuity is not the answer, tossing most of the current writers and editors IS.
@@rocketraccoon1976Yea definitely, before writers & artists it’s the editors that need to be replaced more than anything, they’re the ones doing all the damage.
Reboot or no reboot. It doesn’t matter. Marvel and DC need 3 things: A team of editors that can identify and recruit new young talent. Executives that will cut big cheques with good realities for veterans like Brubaker, BKV, and others of that generation. And a person in charge that can keep the continuity tight.
A Marvel reboot in this day and age would just be taking a bunch of the classic white, male, straight characters and making them something else. It wouldn’t be any deeper than that.
DC is literally a perfect example as to why you shouldn't ever reboot your own universe. They rebooted it so many times that now nothing makes any sense or matters anymore.
It is fine to do once a generation. But they do it every five years. And, they are not even really reboots. Since it still carries everything over anyway.
DC have only 2 full reboots. The original Crisis of Infinite Earths and Flashpoint. Everything else has been partial reboots or not even a reboot at all just a normal event.
My favorite Spider-Man story happened almost when I got into the character. “Back in Black” Peter essentially meeting God asking why he had to suffer so much and God taking him to the beach and showing all the people he had saved over the course of his career “if I’m being honest I’m cheating a little bit with team ups” That story line really resonated with me.
That's also my favorite way that various writers have interpreted Superman aswell. He's all powerful so he carried the sins and burdens of humanity, which he really doesn't have too. But he does it because he loves this planet. There is something deeply resonating about a hero suffering when they never had to, because they give of themselves for others. Especially when a guy like Spidey suffers for a City that at times has been hostile to to him. Unike a villain like King Pin or Lex, who sees power as a rightful ends to a means - the best heroes see their power not as their own... but a responsibility (even burden) that they have to carry as a mantel for all those who can't.
This is an absurd idea some people have. When I picked up my first Batman comic, the idea 402 issues came out before this one exciting me to no end. The beauty of legacy characters is the exploration of decades of history.
If you don't go deep enough into rabbithole of dozen retcons and contradicting elements that makes any understanding of the story real mess Sometimes it can be real headache
I grew up reading my Dad's comics, so I was simultaneously reading stuff from the 60's, 70"s and 80's and even reprints from the 40's and 50's. Never struggled with it, even as a child.
I read my fair share of european comics, so I got spoiled with thicker volumes or maybe 60 pages, which had the entire story arc. I think the whole "a mini series of 4" is not that appealing to people in general. Would be much better to just wait and finish it all and release a thicker comic.
Please. As others have noted here, Marvel doesn't have the talent to pull off a reboot. It would result in more than half the characters becoming gay, gender- and race-swaps galore, and in the end, nothing very different to the slop they have today would come of it. The current crop of writers believe race-swapping is some amazing 'new' direction to take a character. They just aren't up to it.
Definitely, I just can’t believe how talent in every single industry has taken such a complete nosedive in only a single decade. Movies, comics, TV & games have all gone so downhill that it’s hard to believe how such a thing happened. There’s absolutely nothing interesting whatsoever in any of these industries in the last few years.
Agreed, it would be used as an excuse to accelerate DEI. Almost no characters would be left the same race/sexuality. They would make Miles THE Spiderman, and the X-Men would be run by Magneto and would be on orgy cult island indefinitely.
Blame Joe Quesada Before him, nobody ever thought of rebooting the marvel universe. Now we have a company run by idiots too lazy to read their back catalogue. They might be offended I guess
You kill off the dozen great characters that built Marvel, then push 3rd rate characters and wonder why it fails? Like after 45 years of collecting Hulk and Spidey, I'm tuning into lesbian witches?
That’s because Invincible is based directly on the comics, whereas the movies only loosely use some storylines. There’s no comic that you can pick up that’s like the movies. I’ve no idea why they won’t just animate the actual comics, it makes no sense looking at the popularity of anime, and especially after seeing Invincible do it and succeed.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__-I think animation like The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Long Halloween, Doom that came to Gotham, Justice League War, Batman/Superman: Apocalypse has directly taken from comics except some minor changes.
@ Yea and they were all great, I actually bought Dark Knight Returns & Long Halloween on bluray, I’ve watched DKR multiple times, although I’d prefer if they had both movies on one disc, I had to buy it on 2 separate discs. They also did Killing Joke & Flashpoint, both were great too.
When a movie comes out in theaters, there should be a comic book rack with some of the source material there to be sold, imo. Then, those interested can read the source and begin their comic book experience...
Exactly! I started back reading comics after 15 years because of marvel rivals. And it helps because they have the first appearance comics reference for the costumes
I mean that does happen. They reprint old stories for movies, they put out additional titles with the characters involved. The problem is the writers suck. And unless you go to a comic book store (which casual movie fans aren’t going to do) you’re not gonna know or care about it.
@@Neighborhood_spdrman the point is to point the comics IN THE THEATER. That's brand synergy. Like the scene from Deadpool where Wolverine is crucified: Reprints of UXM 251 (with the crucified Logan on the cover) should have been RIGHT THERE in the theater for sale, to start someone's comic book journey...
Marvel technically did it twice with the Ultimate Universe. They messed up twice. The first took longer to be screewed up, the second only has one good book to its name and its a mixed bag I hear. Marvel could retcon the some of the crap out at best but the Talent really isn't their for either option.
Just realized this is a CBR article. They’re testing the waters likely because the administration at Marvel want to just let the creative teams have carte blanche over all their characters. They want to blame their current failure on everything else but themselves. Insanity. I say let them have at it and their destruction is assured maybe something better will rise from the ashes outside of Marvel and DC.
I don't want a reboot as in blowing everything away and starting again, but I do want a reboot that clears out all the garbage and gets the characters back to who they are and telling NEW good stories again. No families, no derivative characters, no new characters nobody likes that they're trying to force on customers, no events, no alternate universes, basically wipe out the last decade or more of bad decisions that got us to where we are.
They already rebooted Marvel Comics to reflect the failing Marvel Cinematic Universe. It was called All New All Different Marvel. Just another Johnny come lately writing about a medium he knows nothing about. Marvel needs: New publishing strategy. New work flow structure. New talent procurement and payment. New Editorial. New writers.
With there current stable of writing talent HELL NO!! The reboot would have to be done by someone with the chops to pull it off. I don't know if Marvel would be willing to pay a good writer to come back and do it.
No, no they wouldn’t. Not only would they not pay them, most wouldn’t want to work there even if they did because editorial wants to step in and control the story.
Decades ago, around the time Shooter launched the New Universe, he had thought about doing a hard reboot. And I think he should have. He had the writers and the artists working for him to do a good job. Byrne left to work on Superman for DC. But imagine if he had been given the option to write Fantastic Four #1. Claremont would have loved to have rebooted X-Men. Simonson was working on Thor, I'm sure Shooter would have allowed him to finish his epic tale before having the series rebooted. Roger Stern was still at Marvel, so was Michilinie. I think Frank Miller was around, too, or would have been happy to come back to do Daredevil. Point is, there was a ton of talent to do it right. Now? No chance in hell. All the good writers have moved in, Marvel either can't afford them or they won't give them the freedom to do the job right.
"Fans flocking to shelves" I'm sorry, did I miss this happening? When did this occur? We don't need a reboot, and I am sick of retcons, but a giant retcon of the past decade would be kind of nice. No more rainbow Iceman. No more X-Men fashion shows. No more Paul. No more 397 Spider-People. Krakoa didn't happen.
I don't agree that Ultimates died out because it "wasn't canon". I think it died out because it had one exceptional book (Spider-Man) while rest of the universe grew to be a gross take on the characters nobody wanted, from incest twins/voyeurism to having the blob eat Wasp. Nobody WANTS that to be canon. So they stop reading. People will invest in a new parallel canon if you give it to them. It's exciting to think some writers are going to take the sagas written by multiple generations of writers before them, polish them up and take the best from them to tie together a purposeful narrative for the character again, the same way it was exciting to follow DCAU canon when it was building or MCU canon when it got started. I do want a fresh canon or soft reset of canon be like the Ultimate universe because, current post One More Day....really post House of M canon is intolerable. I'd love a new canon that retells the best of Marvel while fixing past mistakes and mixups caused by marketing department demands, drauma between writers and editors, and so on. I'd love to see past runs that feel like they had forgotten loose ends with waisted potential rewritten with the aid of hindsight. All in 3 to 4 neatly packaged trade paperback titles to follow along with. But I also have ZERO faith that anybody working at Marvel would "fix" anything I want them to. Or even just write a fresh canon that's more bearable than the canon universe where Peter is a devil deal making cuck. You let current writers make a new fresh canon, and they will just use it to make Sue Storm a lesbian from the start, Spider-Man Miles Morales from the start, and Captain America a Nazi stand in for Trump from the start. My greatest hope is one day the company decides to hire writers of all politics but splits them into having the left worries write one universe and the right wing conservatives write the other canon universe. Then I could read about my favorite heroes reliably in a full canon of books that aren't always pushing cringe stuff.
They don't need a Reboot, they need good writers and editors. We need another kind of Hickman's Secret Wars ”2”, well written, and get characters back from 10 years ago, get evil characters to be evil again, and choose which characters want to keep the last 10 years of history and which one wasn't. There are characters, like Iceman or Hercules or even Spider-Man who have been destroyed in the last decade that I struggle to see how they would fix without removing a big chunk of their last decade history.
I can only imagine how bad a full reboot would be. I just want a soft reboot moving characters to different areas, not just New York. Get Miles away from Peter, the X-Men away from the Avengers. No crossovers for a while.
Have Deadpool’s daughter die. He becomes aware of how terrible his world is. He then goes on a quest to restore Moira’s powers and kill her to restart the timeline. Then you jump back to either 2012 right after Secret Wars, or go further to before Civil War. I doubt they’d do that, but they do have an in universe reset button and a guy who can break the fourth wall to explain how he would know it exists.
They originally intended to reset the X-Men timeline through Moira but chickened out at the last second for some reason. Coincidentally, after FoHoX/RoPoX came out where Moira wasn't killed, they released the Mystique and Destiny wedding special issue that could only come to be in a setting where Krakoa remained canon.
I’ll never forgive them for that time when I was a teen and they restarted the numbers on all the flagship books…Heroes Return crap….it already has precedent for failure….stop catering to the “I saw a movie - 6 months tops crowd”and give the 30+ readers their due…
Here's the catch: A reboot won't matter at all if they have bad writers, bad artists, bad editors, and bad leadership. Marvel needs new editorial leadership. A good editor could shepherd middling writers to something better. The editors really need to change more than anything at Marvel.
Dang it... with this video... I finally subscribed... Thanks for taking the time, week after week, to try to add a voice to common sense in comics for those who have never been introduced to it...
I completely reject the argument the continuity is so dense that new readers can’t penetrate it. That’s garbage. If you are interested in the history as a new reader you would then start going back and reading back issues. Readers aren’t stupid. They can figure things out.
JFC I became a fan of the Legion of Superheroes shortly after The Great Darkness Saga. In the 80s. If people like the books they’ll stick around and learn about the characters and the universe they inhabit. What Marvel Comics needs is writers that can write and care about the histories of the characters they’re writing as well as older comics pros who give a shit about the industry, the characters, and the fans, not people like Tom Brevoort, who just seems like a curmudgeon, and CB Cebulski, who,just seems happy to get the paycheck.
LOSH is so great. So sad that DC shelved them since the past decade and today the team it's just guest-star characters in another books. DC need make the Legion great again.
@ I’d be happy with an enjoyable book, which is something the big two just can’t do at this time so I’m happy that the only Legion Bendis f’d up was his own.
Old timeline: all roads lead to post 2010 Marvel. Which so ured me on so much. New timeline: would be made by post 2010 Marvel Comics. Where there is no talent or quality. There is no win.
I honestly believe that Marvel sabotaged The Ultimate Universe, X-MEN and Fantastic Four. Any titles that would promote Fox or Sony were diminished at every turn. I don't have any evidence. My idea is my own conspiracy theory but it is an awful big coincidence that the characters from the titles mentioned were absent from all Marvel merchandising for several years. When the Fantastic Four were missing the Guardians of the Galaxy appeared, when the X-MEN were absent, the Inhumans got a big push, when the Ultimate titles ended, All New/All Different was being pushed. I honestly feel that the titles are tanked so that the creative teams want to leave Marvel. After seeing how Ed Brubaker was handled withThe Winter Soldier, it makes me feel that Kevin Feige is making the work environment hostile for teams that are working on titles that he wants to use for good, cheap movie plots.
I stopped buying DC Comics after the multiple reboots. Flushing all those great stories down the drain just kills it for me. If Marvel did this, I would NEVER buy another Marvel Comics again. Marvel tried this before with the Image creators reboot and it failed miserably...
Marvel and DC both have been piggy backing off of the success, skill, ability and hard work of people... REAL CREATORS.... who have mostly all passed on by now.
There is one absolute reason marvel (and dc) needs a reboot - the countless mantle swapping and character replacements all in the name of diversity and what not… this is the worst thing they have ever done and irreversible. 10 different spidermen, wolverines, etc, wtf. This completely dilutes the original characters. And why the ultimate and absolute universes are partially so successful. So yes, reboot, with only 1 hulk, 1 spidey, etc
A reboot is a perfect excuse to make Miles Morales the one and only Spider-Man, Sam Wilson - the one and only Captain America and so on. I don't trust Marvel to do a reboot without going All New All Different.
Even if marvel comics pulls a reboot card you know they will mess it up badly really badly in my opinion, however I am not saying a full reboot is a bad idea in theory it’s just the current writers right now I don’t trust these days to handle this reboot given these writers terrible track record as of late in my opinion.
There’s absolutely no way in hell the current writers could ever in a million years pull off a full reboot, it would be an utter mess, forget about it. And I’m actually fully onboard with reboots, I think they should reboot the universe every 10 years. Every 10 years you start from scratch, then over the next 10 years tell the entire life of the character, so at the end of the 10 years the human characters are all old and their apprentice has taken over. Then reboot from scratch again, maybe taking the best new characters from the past reboot and continue their stories, having each reboot as its own contained universe.
@ question won’t that also be confusing for current readers who were invested with these characters and people who care about this universe if they keep rebooting every 10 years.
@@TevyaSmolka Yes that’s definitely an issue, but the universe will eventually be rebooted, they simply can’t go on forever. And I think this would be a great way to do it, we get a full contained story going over the characters entire life, one story like with manga. And this frees up the creators to tell interesting new stories.
Rebooting isn't something you decide in 2025 and execute in 2026. They should continue in the same world but where time passes now. Spidey becomes 30. Some super heroes age into their golden years. The young heroes might catch on now that they're allowed to advance. If this plan fails, then so what. You were going to reboot anyways. But lets try the things you'd never do, before blowing it up.
The fact that marvel has never rebooted is why I read them over DC. It's their biggest selling point. DCs constant reboots is confusing as hell especially because they pick and choose what characters get rebooted and to what extent. And nobody wants to be told the stories they've been reading for years don't matter anymore. Comics are enough of a headache without that garbage
At this point I do think Marvel needs a full clean slate reboot, however not with the majority of current creatives and editors. Thinking about it the original ultimate universe should have been a full reboot instead of a side universe mostly because Marvel can't handle Spider-Man actually becoming an adult and because he is their flag ship it would've been better to reboot him back to being a teenager instead of a man child like he is now. Also I feel like interest would've stayed higher in the original universe but ultimates 3 and ultimatum basically destroyed that universe. It just edgy and gross for shock value at that point, which I don't think stories like that would ever be allowed in a main universe.
Marvel has rebooted its universe, it was called Hickman’s Secret War. The difference between Marvel and DC is just that Marvel mostly ignores that all the canon is now just question marks as it’s difficult to define what exactly Franklin Richards got right or wrong. That said, yes, Marvel’s strength was always to allow readers to return faster by not changing everything … that was until All New All Different Marvel. Now a lot of the Marvel universe is just off from where it should be, because it was forcefully changed to reflect political propaganda instead of its decades old canon. PS: To answer your question: no, I don’t think a reboot would help, but not only for your reasons. My main reason is: nope, I don’t want a new canon built by the current talent, when all my hope rests on Marvel one day finding better talent.
Marvel has screwed their own continuity many times over without an official reboot. The Heroes Reborn, Spider-Man Clone Saga, One More Day fiascos were bad enough, but the worst was probably the X-Men running so far off course the core characters barely resemble themselves any longer. I won't even go into the "Ultimate" fiasco. Reboots are generally not solutions, they're cheap resets to avoid careful plotting, investment in long-term creative staff, and steady development in favor of flash-pan sales that fold in on themselves.
I agree they never should’ve went through with Ultimates3, Ultimatum and the Death of Spider-Man in my personal opinion maybe if they went with much more happier endings it might’ve turned out better maybe
I'm favor of a reboot for Marvel Universe. I just hate what modern writers did for all MArvel characters after the 2000"s. In nowadays every X-Men is a killer,the Avengers are so boring and Spider-man is a quitter. The old Marvel universe that was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby don't exist anymore for years at this point. So I'm 100% ok with a reboot since they fix the things and make your heroes being heroic again.
Like lots of people have said here, Marvel needs not a reboot, but better writing and different people managing. Stop bringing creators who hate billionaries to write Iron Man and nihilists to write Captain America. Put Peter Tomasi and Patrick Gleason on Cap and Geoff Johns and Francis Manapul on Iron Man. Make people love the characters again and then build from there.
The Ultimate Universe got cancelled because Marvel Comics slowly started turning the 616 Universe into the Ultimate Universe. The more 616 became like Ultimate the more they started doing weirder things with the Ultimate line to differentiate the two. Like Marvel Comics basically killed the line with Jeph Loeb‘s The Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum. People were over the line after that, but that was done because the two lines were becoming too alike, but they only became too alike because the 616 line was intentionally turned into the Ultimate line that people liked more. There’s not really any point in an alternative line when you have the main line start operating in the same manner, then you just have two things that are the same.
Doing the _Spider-Man Wakes up_ reboot is a good idea. It gets rid of all the garbage and keeps the good stuff. It also gives marvel a mulligan on being able to reintroduce the woke characters but better. I can see them doing this reboot and then bringing Miles Morales into thing. Spidy is fighting Electro and Miles gets shocked and Spider-Man has to let Electro go so save him. Miles develops electric powers and Spider-Man end up teaching him how to us them. He can help defeat Electro later on. Having Miles be a pure elect based hero would help him be his own character and give him a personal history with Electro. It'll be different enough for him to actually be his own character. Also bring in Nadia as Hank and Janet's daughter. Hank has been punished for far too long. Let them move on, be married, and have a daughter. Maybe they can fix Kamala Khan too.
No point in a reboot if you're going to keep letting awful writers who don't care about continuity keep working on the comics. A reboot would be cool if there was actually some order and regulation in those offices. It's a profession, so you should have to study the established lore and stories in order write a comic. Otherwise, if the writers don't care, why should readers?
I mean that was the time to reboot if you wanted to. It was setup such that it could have totally rebooted the MCU. They didn't though at all...Only major changes involve Miles joining and his mother coming back to life. Plus Maker surviving.
Yes it was. It was meant to not change the history but iron out the kinks & get the chronology right. No body bit & took the time to streamline the backstories, supporting casts, etc.
A writer has to know the characters and have a grip on the zeitgeist of the last few generations. They don't at marvel. They have no clue how to make even their LBGQT characters work.
I am reading the Spiderman newspaper comic strip and that is so enjoyable, that feels like real Spiderman stories and this is out of reach for today's creators
Maybe, but with Trump in office DEI is practically illegal now. So Marvel could be forced to fire all their writers and editors and hire sane apolitical people instead.
Marvel Comics does reboots, they just don’t do line wide reboots all at once like DC does. Armor Wars 2 and Extremis are both Iron Man reboots that give Tony Stark new versions of his original origin story. Pre Extremis Tony Stark wasn’t the original Tony Stark, he was an aged up version of the teen Tony Stark that got brought into the present during that whole stupid The Crossing thing where it was revealed Stark was a traitor working for Kang. The whole Krakoa thing was a reboot: Moira MacTaggert goes back in time, reveals something to Professor X that completely changes him from the Professor X you know, and they formed the X-Men together with Magneto... that’s not the previous main version of the X-Men. I’m not even sure how anything pre Krakoa is meant to fit into the new reality Moira MacTaggert made. Weirdo broken Professor X isn’t the same guy in those ‘60s and ‘90s X-Men comics. When Ed Brubaker starts Captain America Vol. 4 with Out of Time, he’s completely rebooting Captain America’s World War 2 time into something more in line with The Ultimates. It’s a big reboot to both Captain America and Bucky. The Captain America Hydra stuff also completely rebooted things again and now “Steve Rogers” isn’t even Steve Rogers anymore because the real Steve Rogers is still the super villain that was always a member of Hydra because of time travel stuff that was never undone. Nothing Captain America did before the 2016 Steve Rogers Captain America comic happened anymore, or at least none of it could have happened exactly like it did in the comics. I’m not even sure Spider-Man’s origin is really even his original origin anymore, I think it’s more like his ‘90s cartoon origin (which is what the Raimi movie used) now, and has been like that for decades. Marvel Comics is in pretty dire need of a reboot. Everything is just too stupid in the comics now. They’ve messed everything up too much. The whole line is pass the point of no return now. I actually can’t believe how badly the people running the show allowed the comics to get screwed up. Like Captain America’s HAIL HYDRA thing. When that happened I just thought that be a story that went on for a bit and it’d be undone. After all, it was a pretty simple time travel thing, time travel stuff happens and gets undone all the time, and there’s no way they’d keep Captain America a super villain. Little did I know back then exactly how stupid the people running the show really were. Not only did that arc go on forever, (although nothing compared to the later Krakoa stuff that’s still technically going on) they never undid the time travel stuff that turned Steve Rogers evil...they just made a fake Steve Rogers.
Marvel has done a full reboot. The original Marvel Multiverse ended with the Secret Wars crossover. I wish I could post the pic of the epitaph here. They didn't do a lot of new origins or anything. They just picked up like nothing ever happened. Reed and Franklin Richards rebuilt the multiverse from scratch.
Worst. Idea. Ever. The fact that DC hasn't successfully pulled this off since Crisis on Infinite Earths should be a sign that Marvel shouldn't even try! As most other commenters here have said - Marvel doesn't have the talent pool to pull this off!
Rebooting the Marvel universe means erasing the works of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and all the other original artists that made those characters popular in the first place. No, I'm strongly, STRONGLY, against it. What they should do, if current comics aren't selling, is re-release the old comics. Those are timeless stories that anyone can read and enjoy.
Marvel needs to open the safe ..Pay the best writers and artists top $$$$$ and give them a percentage of creative...that's the only way it would work..nuff said
Damn...what the hell is going on over at Marvel. It likes you want to be a fly on the wall just to listen to how they conduct things. If they want a reboot at Marvel then yeah I agree with Dok's ideas but only I'd you have actual writers overlooking these books.
For me the marvel universe and dc universe ended in the early 2000s. That's when I stopped reading modern comics in middle school. I just read stuff from the 60's to early 2000's.
The conversion from movies to comics failed, because while they were making Cap, and Ironman house hold names in movies, the brain trust at marvel decided to make Cap black, and Ironman into a girl in comics. They screwed themselves outta that audience. There's no way anybody could trust this current group of idiots to restart a universe. Good vid Wes🍻
Ironman was never made into a girl, Ironheart is just another armored character like War Machine and Guardian from Alpha Flight. And both Bucky and Sam getting a run as Cap wasn't a problem. Steve eventually came back.
@neospock5034 ironheart took over the IRONMAN book with Tony Ai, because Carl Manvers killed him, While Ironman was the biggest thing in movies. She got a her own title later. Fal-Cap was a mistake from step 1, and was thought up by idiots. While Capt was getting the most pub he's had since he died, from the movies. If you liked the movies, and went to buy the books, and the characters you're looking for aren't the characters you're looking for. Fail, Marvel
I would recommend a reboot, but I think Marvel waited too long, plus they dont have good writers and artists like they used to. But if Marvel does go through a reboot, it needs to be in its own separate universe or Earth because you shouldn't have to alter the main universe (Earth-616) just to start fresh with a clean slate. The DC Universe mistake was always altering the main universe when in reality the writers could've started with a brand new universe or multiverse that exists separately from the old continuity.
They may reboot but in 6 months we will be in the same place. They did that several times something similar with x-men and it keeks being a crapola of woke nonsense overflowing the store shelves with dozens of collections nobody wants and buys.
they always speak of the jumping on point, but it also serves as a jumping off point. if continuity bothers you as a writer, dont refer to past stories, just get the basics of the character right. If you want bring continuity to buikd upon, just dont be lazy
This isn't frist time its been hread for marvel officially somewhere in the the mid 80s somebody at the offices or Jim shooter himself did had the idea for the 25th anniversary of marvel to reboot the universe with all new number one's and then decade later bill jemas and Joe did had idea to reboot the whole universe, but ultimately the idea was scrapped in favor of the ultimate universe and don't forget heroes reborn?
Yes, the Marvel Multiverse is hard to penetrate in depth. But that's what makes it so rewarding and addictive to fans. Once you start feeling comfortable within it you're hooked. You feel like you accomplished something. You will always have that multiverse in your head to escape to. Even if you stop reading comics for a while you still wanna keep up with what the characters have been up to. It's like Tom Hanks says in A League of Their Own: The hard is what makes it great. What publishers have to understand is that comics are a niche industry. They always have been. Yes Batman, Spider-Man, Superman, The Avengers and the X-Men are household names, but they're mainstream because of movies, cartoons, tv shows, video-games etc. The comics are the canary in the coal mine. The lab where you can experiment. If you manage to become popular in the comics then MAYBE you have a shot of becoming mainstream via other outlets. The industry has to embrace the fact that they're a niche audience and cater to their base captive readers instead of trying to appeal to a wider audience. The base are the ones who are gonna bring in new readers, not futile attempts to appeal to normies. It's never gonna happen. Most people don't even like to read and you only end up alienating your base customers.
I don´t know if full reboot, but, some characters maybe need to move on. maybe some of them died, Peter Parker needs bring back his family with Mary Jane and her dougther. Maybe aged a little. and DC need that too. Batman can´t have like 5 Robins and still being like 30 he should have 40 or 50. maybe Bruce Wayne needs to become the "Oracle" the man on the chair like on the "Batman Beyond" cartoon. and train the next generation. Tim Drake could be Batman. Damian Wayne needs his own Identity and not just another Robin.
Actually you got me on that post, I started reading comics because of movies and shows but it actually Did bother me that I couldn't find the same or similar storyline, so yeah I do see your post that Marvel and DC movies are not the best way to get into comics. It is easier with Manga and animated stories because they take storylines more accurate to the source material. I'm a female btw but I never voted on the Facebook thing, because I wasn't really aware of the poll on Facebook at the time, as I wasn't on Facebook that much.
For Marvel to even consider a full universe reboot they should have competent writers, artists and editors, and make sure they're on board for at least 10 years. In other words, it's bonkers for Marvel to even dwell on this right now.
A Terrible idea especially since it probably synergize with the MCU...and I hate what they have done with most of the Heroes in the MCU. Hulk & Black Panther standout as especially butchered. I like my Hulk Savage and my Banner not a Stark Flunky; My T'Challa as a Super Genius with Edge and not Dead.
Oh also looking at New 52 yeah if your favorite is a C-Lister and even some B-Lister good chance they wont exist at all post Reboot. If your lucky maybe they wont be gone for long if you are not then....
A reboot only makes sense if it is first accomplished with the editors and writers at Marvel being replaced with competent people who actually love and respect the characters, and all of their wonderful, complex canon. Without changing the people responsible for the content, you'll just be piling crap on top of crap. Will still stink.
I want Marvel to get their shit together, enough of these dumb characters, fix Spider-Man & destroy the Spiderverse, fix the Avengers & The X-Men stop all the woke nonsense. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER.
If Marvel is to be rebooted, it should be done so at a time when the cultural political influence upon movies is less prevalent. The biggest problem with superhero movies in particular is that the modern culture is attempting to wedge itself into a genre that is supposed to be escapist in nature and thus, ruins the experience and only serves to annoy the viewer, especially if the movie is taking a stance that certain viewers do not agree with. Movies should be politically neutral works that focus on philosophical ideas and questions about good vs evil that hero films used to resonate with people of various walks of life regardless of ideology. It doesn't work anymore because movies appeal to one side of the political aisle which only alienates everyone else who, frankly, doesn't want to hear it if they're watching a movie about people with super powers saving the city. The current movie industry does not allow for this, especially Disney. Only when Disney returns to a more neutral and I suppose traditional terms of storytelling should a reboot be considered.
Right now, Marvel doesn't have the writers to write a good reboot story.
This. No point cleaning the slate just to shit on it again.
They don't have the writers to write a good story, period.
Only like 2 writers are worth a damn at Marvel, Peter David, Garth Ennis and a few of the Legendary writers that were snubbed by modern Marvel
Right now, Marvel doesn't have the editors to oversee a good reboot story.
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Marvel already did a reboot, it was called The Ultimate Universe. They've done it two more times since with varying success. Tossing sixty years of continuity is not the answer, tossing most of the current writers and editors IS.
They don't need reboots; they need better writers. Also artists.
Beyond that, they need better editors.
@@rocketraccoon1976Yea definitely, before writers & artists it’s the editors that need to be replaced more than anything, they’re the ones doing all the damage.
Yes, then a reboot
A lot of the current artists are somehow still great. It's the editors and writers that need to go.
No they actually do need a reboot. But they also need better writers to do it. Sliding time line is getting harder to manage the further out we go
The point is they don’t want people reading the old stories because they’re problematic to them
Reboot or no reboot. It doesn’t matter. Marvel and DC need 3 things:
A team of editors that can identify and recruit new young talent.
Executives that will cut big cheques with good realities for veterans like Brubaker, BKV, and others of that generation.
And a person in charge that can keep the continuity tight.
We have a preview of a Marvel reboot: Ultimates. Hell. No.
I second this.
A Marvel reboot in this day and age would just be taking a bunch of the classic white, male, straight characters and making them something else. It wouldn’t be any deeper than that.
Indeed this is the worst idea it would work if done well but it wont. The can make ultimate universe and more like it
Fire everyone, decanonize the last 13 years and start anew.
Man…. PREACH!
Sell Marvel.
Except the retcon of Sins Past, that should stay, or just decanonize Sins Past.
Agreed.
I'd wipe it back to before Civil War. Spidey and the X-Men were still in a salvageable state.
DC is literally a perfect example as to why you shouldn't ever reboot your own universe. They rebooted it so many times that now nothing makes any sense or matters anymore.
It is fine to do once a generation. But they do it every five years. And, they are not even really reboots. Since it still carries everything over anyway.
Yes DC is so unserious It really pushed me away unless it’s a creative team I really like which isn’t often these days
DC have only 2 full reboots. The original Crisis of Infinite Earths and Flashpoint. Everything else has been partial reboots or not even a reboot at all just a normal event.
The New New New New New -Super-Improved DC Universe that 50% better than the old one.
My favorite Spider-Man story happened almost when I got into the character. “Back in Black” Peter essentially meeting God asking why he had to suffer so much and God taking him to the beach and showing all the people he had saved over the course of his career “if I’m being honest I’m cheating a little bit with team ups”
That story line really resonated with me.
That's also my favorite way that various writers have interpreted Superman aswell. He's all powerful so he carried the sins and burdens of humanity, which he really doesn't have too. But he does it because he loves this planet. There is something deeply resonating about a hero suffering when they never had to, because they give of themselves for others. Especially when a guy like Spidey suffers for a City that at times has been hostile to to him. Unike a villain like King Pin or Lex, who sees power as a rightful ends to a means - the best heroes see their power not as their own... but a responsibility (even burden) that they have to carry as a mantel for all those who can't.
This is an absurd idea some people have. When I picked up my first Batman comic, the idea 402 issues came out before this one exciting me to no end. The beauty of legacy characters is the exploration of decades of history.
If you don't go deep enough into rabbithole of dozen retcons and contradicting elements that makes any understanding of the story real mess
Sometimes it can be real headache
Exactly. I started reading in 1976. I loved going back and reading the earlier Marvel and DC books.
I grew up reading my Dad's comics, so I was simultaneously reading stuff from the 60's, 70"s and 80's and even reprints from the 40's and 50's. Never struggled with it, even as a child.
100% agree the history of the character is the biggest draw to me.
I read my fair share of european comics, so I got spoiled with thicker volumes or maybe 60 pages, which had the entire story arc. I think the whole "a mini series of 4" is not that appealing to people in general. Would be much better to just wait and finish it all and release a thicker comic.
Please. As others have noted here, Marvel doesn't have the talent to pull off a reboot. It would result in more than half the characters becoming gay, gender- and race-swaps galore, and in the end, nothing very different to the slop they have today would come of it. The current crop of writers believe race-swapping is some amazing 'new' direction to take a character. They just aren't up to it.
Man you beat me to my comment. I was going to say the same thing
Definitely, I just can’t believe how talent in every single industry has taken such a complete nosedive in only a single decade. Movies, comics, TV & games have all gone so downhill that it’s hard to believe how such a thing happened. There’s absolutely nothing interesting whatsoever in any of these industries in the last few years.
Agreed, it would be used as an excuse to accelerate DEI. Almost no characters would be left the same race/sexuality. They would make Miles THE Spiderman, and the X-Men would be run by Magneto and would be on orgy cult island indefinitely.
Blame Joe Quesada
Before him, nobody ever thought of rebooting the marvel universe.
Now we have a company run by idiots too lazy to read their back catalogue.
They might be offended I guess
You kill off the dozen great characters that built Marvel, then push 3rd rate characters and wonder why it fails? Like after 45 years of collecting Hulk and Spidey, I'm tuning into lesbian witches?
Need to reboot the writers and editors with competent talent. If any of the comics need a hard reboot, it’s the X-Men.
Agreed. Though I'd say they just need a way to reboot to before Krakoa. That should have been an elsewhen story.
A retcon wiping out ten to fifteen years would get me back
Marvel doesn't have the writers to pull off a crisis level event.
My friend started reading Invincible because of the show but she never read any other comics because of the movies.
That’s because Invincible is based directly on the comics, whereas the movies only loosely use some storylines. There’s no comic that you can pick up that’s like the movies. I’ve no idea why they won’t just animate the actual comics, it makes no sense looking at the popularity of anime, and especially after seeing Invincible do it and succeed.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__-I think animation like The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Long Halloween, Doom that came to Gotham, Justice League War, Batman/Superman: Apocalypse has directly taken from comics except some minor changes.
Sandman series is also very same with its comic book counterpart expect pushing some netflix agenda such as LGBTQ
@ Yea and they were all great, I actually bought Dark Knight Returns & Long Halloween on bluray, I’ve watched DKR multiple times, although I’d prefer if they had both movies on one disc, I had to buy it on 2 separate discs. They also did Killing Joke & Flashpoint, both were great too.
When a movie comes out in theaters, there should be a comic book rack with some of the source material there to be sold, imo. Then, those interested can read the source and begin their comic book experience...
Exactly! I started back reading comics after 15 years because of marvel rivals. And it helps because they have the first appearance comics reference for the costumes
I mean that does happen. They reprint old stories for movies, they put out additional titles with the characters involved. The problem is the writers suck. And unless you go to a comic book store (which casual movie fans aren’t going to do) you’re not gonna know or care about it.
But we’d much rather sell t-shirts and book bags!
@@Neighborhood_spdrman the point is to point the comics IN THE THEATER. That's brand synergy. Like the scene from Deadpool where Wolverine is crucified: Reprints of UXM 251 (with the crucified Logan on the cover) should have been RIGHT THERE in the theater for sale, to start someone's comic book journey...
@ yeah that’s never going to happen.
Marvel technically did it twice with the Ultimate Universe. They messed up twice. The first took longer to be screewed up, the second only has one good book to its name and its a mixed bag I hear. Marvel could retcon the some of the crap out at best but the Talent really isn't their for either option.
Just realized this is a CBR article. They’re testing the waters likely because the administration at Marvel want to just let the creative teams have carte blanche over all their characters.
They want to blame their current failure on everything else but themselves.
Insanity.
I say let them have at it and their destruction is assured maybe something better will rise from the ashes outside of Marvel and DC.
I don't want a reboot as in blowing everything away and starting again, but I do want a reboot that clears out all the garbage and gets the characters back to who they are and telling NEW good stories again. No families, no derivative characters, no new characters nobody likes that they're trying to force on customers, no events, no alternate universes, basically wipe out the last decade or more of bad decisions that got us to where we are.
and wipe out completely the young avengers idea
Marvel Rivals is doing a better job getting people to read comics than the MCU
They already rebooted Marvel Comics to reflect the failing Marvel Cinematic Universe.
It was called All New All Different Marvel.
Just another Johnny come lately writing about a medium he knows nothing about.
Marvel needs:
New publishing strategy. New work flow structure. New talent procurement and payment. New Editorial. New writers.
I want a reboot of Tom Beaver-vort and all of the writers and editors. That would solve the problem.
*_Marvel Editorial VS Predator!_* Make it Happen!
Tom Beaver-vort sounds like a Spider-Ham character.
With there current stable of writing talent HELL NO!! The reboot would have to be done by someone with the chops to pull it off. I don't know if Marvel would be willing to pay a good writer to come back and do it.
No, no they wouldn’t. Not only would they not pay them, most wouldn’t want to work there even if they did because editorial wants to step in and control the story.
I feel like the 616 died with Hickman's Secret Wars. Narratively, the 616 changed, and creatively the 616 is a graveyard except for Incredible Hulk
Decades ago, around the time Shooter launched the New Universe, he had thought about doing a hard reboot. And I think he should have. He had the writers and the artists working for him to do a good job. Byrne left to work on Superman for DC. But imagine if he had been given the option to write Fantastic Four #1. Claremont would have loved to have rebooted X-Men. Simonson was working on Thor, I'm sure Shooter would have allowed him to finish his epic tale before having the series rebooted. Roger Stern was still at Marvel, so was Michilinie. I think Frank Miller was around, too, or would have been happy to come back to do Daredevil. Point is, there was a ton of talent to do it right.
Now? No chance in hell. All the good writers have moved in, Marvel either can't afford them or they won't give them the freedom to do the job right.
"Fans flocking to shelves"
I'm sorry, did I miss this happening? When did this occur?
We don't need a reboot, and I am sick of retcons, but a giant retcon of the past decade would be kind of nice. No more rainbow Iceman. No more X-Men fashion shows. No more Paul. No more 397 Spider-People. Krakoa didn't happen.
I don't agree that Ultimates died out because it "wasn't canon". I think it died out because it had one exceptional book (Spider-Man) while rest of the universe grew to be a gross take on the characters nobody wanted, from incest twins/voyeurism to having the blob eat Wasp. Nobody WANTS that to be canon. So they stop reading.
People will invest in a new parallel canon if you give it to them. It's exciting to think some writers are going to take the sagas written by multiple generations of writers before them, polish them up and take the best from them to tie together a purposeful narrative for the character again, the same way it was exciting to follow DCAU canon when it was building or MCU canon when it got started.
I do want a fresh canon or soft reset of canon be like the Ultimate universe because, current post One More Day....really post House of M canon is intolerable.
I'd love a new canon that retells the best of Marvel while fixing past mistakes and mixups caused by marketing department demands, drauma between writers and editors, and so on. I'd love to see past runs that feel like they had forgotten loose ends with waisted potential rewritten with the aid of hindsight. All in 3 to 4 neatly packaged trade paperback titles to follow along with.
But I also have ZERO faith that anybody working at Marvel would "fix" anything I want them to. Or even just write a fresh canon that's more bearable than the canon universe where Peter is a devil deal making cuck. You let current writers make a new fresh canon, and they will just use it to make Sue Storm a lesbian from the start, Spider-Man Miles Morales from the start, and Captain America a Nazi stand in for Trump from the start.
My greatest hope is one day the company decides to hire writers of all politics but splits them into having the left worries write one universe and the right wing conservatives write the other canon universe. Then I could read about my favorite heroes reliably in a full canon of books that aren't always pushing cringe stuff.
Not with current group of writers and editors. If we were talking about pre 1990 crew. Maybe. But not a full reboot.
They don't need a Reboot, they need good writers and editors. We need another kind of Hickman's Secret Wars ”2”, well written, and get characters back from 10 years ago, get evil characters to be evil again, and choose which characters want to keep the last 10 years of history and which one wasn't.
There are characters, like Iceman or Hercules or even Spider-Man who have been destroyed in the last decade that I struggle to see how they would fix without removing a big chunk of their last decade history.
I can only imagine how bad a full reboot would be. I just want a soft reboot moving characters to different areas, not just New York. Get Miles away from Peter, the X-Men away from the Avengers. No crossovers for a while.
Light crossovers. Guest appearance in comics that don’t crossover between books
Have Deadpool’s daughter die. He becomes aware of how terrible his world is. He then goes on a quest to restore Moira’s powers and kill her to restart the timeline. Then you jump back to either 2012 right after Secret Wars, or go further to before Civil War. I doubt they’d do that, but they do have an in universe reset button and a guy who can break the fourth wall to explain how he would know it exists.
They originally intended to reset the X-Men timeline through Moira but chickened out at the last second for some reason.
Coincidentally, after FoHoX/RoPoX came out where Moira wasn't killed, they released the Mystique and Destiny wedding special issue that could only come to be in a setting where Krakoa remained canon.
Can reboot back to like 2005???
I’ll never forgive them for that time when I was a teen and they restarted the numbers on all the flagship books…Heroes Return crap….it already has precedent for failure….stop catering to the “I saw a movie - 6 months tops crowd”and give the 30+ readers their due…
Here's the catch: A reboot won't matter at all if they have bad writers, bad artists, bad editors, and bad leadership. Marvel needs new editorial leadership. A good editor could shepherd middling writers to something better. The editors really need to change more than anything at Marvel.
Dang it... with this video... I finally subscribed... Thanks for taking the time, week after week, to try to add a voice to common sense in comics for those who have never been introduced to it...
I completely reject the argument the continuity is so dense that new readers can’t penetrate it. That’s garbage. If you are interested in the history as a new reader you would then start going back and reading back issues. Readers aren’t stupid. They can figure things out.
JFC I became a fan of the Legion of Superheroes shortly after The Great Darkness Saga.
In the 80s.
If people like the books they’ll stick around and learn about the characters and the universe they inhabit.
What Marvel Comics needs is writers that can write and care about the histories of the characters they’re writing as well as older comics pros who give a shit about the industry, the characters, and the fans, not people like Tom Brevoort, who just seems like a curmudgeon, and CB Cebulski, who,just seems happy to get the paycheck.
LOSH is so great. So sad that DC shelved them since the past decade and today the team it's just guest-star characters in another books. DC need make the Legion great again.
@ I’d be happy with an enjoyable book, which is something the big two just can’t do at this time so I’m happy that the only Legion Bendis f’d up was his own.
Reboot the editorial staff if you want to save Marvel comics.
Old timeline: all roads lead to post 2010 Marvel. Which so ured me on so much. New timeline: would be made by post 2010 Marvel Comics. Where there is no talent or quality. There is no win.
The problem with doubling down on quality is that 0x2 is still 0.
Marvel needs it, BUT it needs to have a leadership reboot too. The entire old guard has to go.
Make Iceman straight again.
I honestly believe that Marvel sabotaged The Ultimate Universe, X-MEN and Fantastic Four. Any titles that would promote Fox or Sony were diminished at every turn. I don't have any evidence. My idea is my own conspiracy theory but it is an awful big coincidence that the characters from the titles mentioned were absent from all Marvel merchandising for several years. When the Fantastic Four were missing the Guardians of the Galaxy appeared, when the X-MEN were absent, the Inhumans got a big push, when the Ultimate titles ended, All New/All Different was being pushed.
I honestly feel that the titles are tanked so that the creative teams want to leave Marvel. After seeing how Ed Brubaker was handled withThe Winter Soldier, it makes me feel that Kevin Feige is making the work environment hostile for teams that are working on titles that he wants to use for good, cheap movie plots.
None of these ideas are new or yours.
@JosephTavano nice to know that I am not alone in what I am thinking 👍
JustSomeRandomGuy talked about 'the 'Perpetual Reboot' years ago, and in all honesty reboots of a "neverending story" is a fool's errand. 😂😮😢
I stopped buying DC Comics after the multiple reboots. Flushing all those great stories down the drain just kills it for me. If Marvel did this, I would NEVER buy another Marvel Comics again. Marvel tried this before with the Image creators reboot and it failed miserably...
Marvel makes it really easy to catch up with the Epic Collections
Marvel and DC both have been piggy backing off of the success, skill, ability and hard work of people... REAL CREATORS.... who have mostly all passed on by now.
There is one absolute reason marvel (and dc) needs a reboot - the countless mantle swapping and character replacements all in the name of diversity and what not… this is the worst thing they have ever done and irreversible. 10 different spidermen, wolverines, etc, wtf. This completely dilutes the original characters. And why the ultimate and absolute universes are partially so successful. So yes, reboot, with only 1 hulk, 1 spidey, etc
A reboot is a perfect excuse to make Miles Morales the one and only Spider-Man, Sam Wilson - the one and only Captain America and so on. I don't trust Marvel to do a reboot without going All New All Different.
Dont forget the racist x-People that ireversivly are terrorists.
ha that’s indeed possible, but then they dont sell 💩
Even if marvel comics pulls a reboot card you know they will mess it up badly really badly in my opinion, however I am not saying a full reboot is a bad idea in theory it’s just the current writers right now I don’t trust these days to handle this reboot given these writers terrible track record as of late in my opinion.
There’s absolutely no way in hell the current writers could ever in a million years pull off a full reboot, it would be an utter mess, forget about it. And I’m actually fully onboard with reboots, I think they should reboot the universe every 10 years. Every 10 years you start from scratch, then over the next 10 years tell the entire life of the character, so at the end of the 10 years the human characters are all old and their apprentice has taken over.
Then reboot from scratch again, maybe taking the best new characters from the past reboot and continue their stories, having each reboot as its own contained universe.
@ question won’t that also be confusing for current readers who were invested with these characters and people who care about this universe if they keep rebooting every 10 years.
@@TevyaSmolka Yes that’s definitely an issue, but the universe will eventually be rebooted, they simply can’t go on forever. And I think this would be a great way to do it, we get a full contained story going over the characters entire life, one story like with manga. And this frees up the creators to tell interesting new stories.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- it seems like lose lose situation in the long term in my opinion
Rebooting isn't something you decide in 2025 and execute in 2026. They should continue in the same world but where time passes now. Spidey becomes 30. Some super heroes age into their golden years. The young heroes might catch on now that they're allowed to advance. If this plan fails, then so what. You were going to reboot anyways. But lets try the things you'd never do, before blowing it up.
They need to do a reboot but they must hire good writers to do it. There is no point of doing a reboot with the same writers.
The fact that marvel has never rebooted is why I read them over DC. It's their biggest selling point. DCs constant reboots is confusing as hell especially because they pick and choose what characters get rebooted and to what extent. And nobody wants to be told the stories they've been reading for years don't matter anymore. Comics are enough of a headache without that garbage
Marvel needs to clean house. Replace the leadership and work their way down.
marvel heroes reborn, MC2 and marvel Ultimate. were basically reboots that were all walked back on.
At this point I do think Marvel needs a full clean slate reboot, however not with the majority of current creatives and editors. Thinking about it the original ultimate universe should have been a full reboot instead of a side universe mostly because Marvel can't handle Spider-Man actually becoming an adult and because he is their flag ship it would've been better to reboot him back to being a teenager instead of a man child like he is now.
Also I feel like interest would've stayed higher in the original universe but ultimates 3 and ultimatum basically destroyed that universe. It just edgy and gross for shock value at that point, which I don't think stories like that would ever be allowed in a main universe.
Marvel has rebooted its universe, it was called Hickman’s Secret War. The difference between Marvel and DC is just that Marvel mostly ignores that all the canon is now just question marks as it’s difficult to define what exactly Franklin Richards got right or wrong.
That said, yes, Marvel’s strength was always to allow readers to return faster by not changing everything … that was until All New All Different Marvel. Now a lot of the Marvel universe is just off from where it should be, because it was forcefully changed to reflect political propaganda instead of its decades old canon.
PS: To answer your question: no, I don’t think a reboot would help, but not only for your reasons. My main reason is: nope, I don’t want a new canon built by the current talent, when all my hope rests on Marvel one day finding better talent.
Why would you get rid of the history when the history is the only thing Marvel has going for it?
Marvel has screwed their own continuity many times over without an official reboot. The Heroes Reborn, Spider-Man Clone Saga, One More Day fiascos were bad enough, but the worst was probably the X-Men running so far off course the core characters barely resemble themselves any longer. I won't even go into the "Ultimate" fiasco. Reboots are generally not solutions, they're cheap resets to avoid careful plotting, investment in long-term creative staff, and steady development in favor of flash-pan sales that fold in on themselves.
I think they should have kept the Ultimate Universe to this day, Ultimatum ruined the ride.
I agree they never should’ve went through with Ultimates3, Ultimatum and the Death of Spider-Man in my personal opinion maybe if they went with much more happier endings it might’ve turned out better maybe
I'm favor of a reboot for Marvel Universe. I just hate what modern writers did for all MArvel characters after the 2000"s. In nowadays every X-Men is a killer,the Avengers are so boring and Spider-man is a quitter. The old Marvel universe that was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby don't exist anymore for years at this point. So I'm 100% ok with a reboot since they fix the things and make your heroes being heroic again.
Like lots of people have said here, Marvel needs not a reboot, but better writing and different people managing. Stop bringing creators who hate billionaries to write Iron Man and nihilists to write Captain America. Put Peter Tomasi and Patrick Gleason on Cap and Geoff Johns and Francis Manapul on Iron Man.
Make people love the characters again and then build from there.
The Ultimate Universe got cancelled because Marvel Comics slowly started turning the 616 Universe into the Ultimate Universe. The more 616 became like Ultimate the more they started doing weirder things with the Ultimate line to differentiate the two. Like Marvel Comics basically killed the line with Jeph Loeb‘s The Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum. People were over the line after that, but that was done because the two lines were becoming too alike, but they only became too alike because the 616 line was intentionally turned into the Ultimate line that people liked more. There’s not really any point in an alternative line when you have the main line start operating in the same manner, then you just have two things that are the same.
Doing the _Spider-Man Wakes up_ reboot is a good idea. It gets rid of all the garbage and keeps the good stuff. It also gives marvel a mulligan on being able to reintroduce the woke characters but better. I can see them doing this reboot and then bringing Miles Morales into thing. Spidy is fighting Electro and Miles gets shocked and Spider-Man has to let Electro go so save him. Miles develops electric powers and Spider-Man end up teaching him how to us them. He can help defeat Electro later on.
Having Miles be a pure elect based hero would help him be his own character and give him a personal history with Electro. It'll be different enough for him to actually be his own character.
Also bring in Nadia as Hank and Janet's daughter. Hank has been punished for far too long. Let them move on, be married, and have a daughter. Maybe they can fix Kamala Khan too.
No point in a reboot if you're going to keep letting awful writers who don't care about continuity keep working on the comics. A reboot would be cool if there was actually some order and regulation in those offices. It's a profession, so you should have to study the established lore and stories in order write a comic. Otherwise, if the writers don't care, why should readers?
Wasn't Hickman's Secret Wars a reboot?
Not really, almost nothing changed continuitywise.
I mean that was the time to reboot if you wanted to. It was setup such that it could have totally rebooted the MCU.
They didn't though at all...Only major changes involve Miles joining and his mother coming back to life. Plus Maker surviving.
Yes it was. It was meant to not change the history but iron out the kinks & get the chronology right.
No body bit & took the time to streamline the backstories, supporting casts, etc.
A writer has to know the characters and have a grip on the zeitgeist of the last few generations. They don't at marvel. They have no clue how to make even their LBGQT characters work.
I am reading the Spiderman newspaper comic strip and that is so enjoyable, that feels like real Spiderman stories and this is out of reach for today's creators
In theory not a bad idea. However the current writers would use it as an excuse to DEI every single character.
Maybe, but with Trump in office DEI is practically illegal now. So Marvel could be forced to fire all their writers and editors and hire sane apolitical people instead.
Marvel Comics does reboots, they just don’t do line wide reboots all at once like DC does.
Armor Wars 2 and Extremis are both Iron Man reboots that give Tony Stark new versions of his original origin story. Pre Extremis Tony Stark wasn’t the original Tony Stark, he was an aged up version of the teen Tony Stark that got brought into the present during that whole stupid The Crossing thing where it was revealed Stark was a traitor working for Kang.
The whole Krakoa thing was a reboot: Moira MacTaggert goes back in time, reveals something to Professor X that completely changes him from the Professor X you know, and they formed the X-Men together with Magneto... that’s not the previous main version of the X-Men. I’m not even sure how anything pre Krakoa is meant to fit into the new reality Moira MacTaggert made. Weirdo broken Professor X isn’t the same guy in those ‘60s and ‘90s X-Men comics.
When Ed Brubaker starts Captain America Vol. 4 with Out of Time, he’s completely rebooting Captain America’s World War 2 time into something more in line with The Ultimates. It’s a big reboot to both Captain America and Bucky. The Captain America Hydra stuff also completely rebooted things again and now “Steve Rogers” isn’t even Steve Rogers anymore because the real Steve Rogers is still the super villain that was always a member of Hydra because of time travel stuff that was never undone. Nothing Captain America did before the 2016 Steve Rogers Captain America comic happened anymore, or at least none of it could have happened exactly like it did in the comics.
I’m not even sure Spider-Man’s origin is really even his original origin anymore, I think it’s more like his ‘90s cartoon origin (which is what the Raimi movie used) now, and has been like that for decades.
Marvel Comics is in pretty dire need of a reboot. Everything is just too stupid in the comics now. They’ve messed everything up too much. The whole line is pass the point of no return now. I actually can’t believe how badly the people running the show allowed the comics to get screwed up. Like Captain America’s HAIL HYDRA thing. When that happened I just thought that be a story that went on for a bit and it’d be undone. After all, it was a pretty simple time travel thing, time travel stuff happens and gets undone all the time, and there’s no way they’d keep Captain America a super villain. Little did I know back then exactly how stupid the people running the show really were. Not only did that arc go on forever, (although nothing compared to the later Krakoa stuff that’s still technically going on) they never undid the time travel stuff that turned Steve Rogers evil...they just made a fake Steve Rogers.
Marvel has done a full reboot. The original Marvel Multiverse ended with the Secret Wars crossover. I wish I could post the pic of the epitaph here.
They didn't do a lot of new origins or anything. They just picked up like nothing ever happened.
Reed and Franklin Richards rebuilt the multiverse from scratch.
Worst. Idea. Ever.
The fact that DC hasn't successfully pulled this off since Crisis on Infinite Earths should be a sign that Marvel shouldn't even try! As most other commenters here have said - Marvel doesn't have the talent pool to pull this off!
Rebooting the Marvel universe means erasing the works of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and all the other original artists that made those characters popular in the first place. No, I'm strongly, STRONGLY, against it. What they should do, if current comics aren't selling, is re-release the old comics. Those are timeless stories that anyone can read and enjoy.
Marvel needs to open the safe ..Pay the best writers and artists top $$$$$ and give them a percentage of creative...that's the only way it would work..nuff said
I'd be on board if they do something similar to the Season One comics with good writers and artists behind it.
If reboots were the solution, DC Comics wouldn't be where it's at. Seriously--how many reboots have they had over the course of 25 years?
Damn...what the hell is going on over at Marvel. It likes you want to be a fly on the wall just to listen to how they conduct things. If they want a reboot at Marvel then yeah I agree with Dok's ideas but only I'd you have actual writers overlooking these books.
For me the marvel universe and dc universe ended in the early 2000s. That's when I stopped reading modern comics in middle school. I just read stuff from the 60's to early 2000's.
The conversion from movies to comics failed, because while they were making Cap, and Ironman house hold names in movies, the brain trust at marvel decided to make Cap black, and Ironman into a girl in comics. They screwed themselves outta that audience. There's no way anybody could trust this current group of idiots to restart a universe. Good vid Wes🍻
Ironman was never made into a girl, Ironheart is just another armored character like War Machine and Guardian from Alpha Flight. And both Bucky and Sam getting a run as Cap wasn't a problem. Steve eventually came back.
@neospock5034 ironheart took over the IRONMAN book with Tony Ai, because Carl Manvers killed him, While Ironman was the biggest thing in movies. She got a her own title later. Fal-Cap was a mistake from step 1, and was thought up by idiots. While Capt was getting the most pub he's had since he died, from the movies. If you liked the movies, and went to buy the books, and the characters you're looking for aren't the characters you're looking for. Fail, Marvel
I would recommend a reboot, but I think Marvel waited too long, plus they dont have good writers and artists like they used to. But if Marvel does go through a reboot, it needs to be in its own separate universe or Earth because you shouldn't have to alter the main universe (Earth-616) just to start fresh with a clean slate. The DC Universe mistake was always altering the main universe when in reality the writers could've started with a brand new universe or multiverse that exists separately from the old continuity.
The best comics writers and artists prefer independent publishers because they pay more and have more creative freedom than Marvel/DC.
They may reboot but in 6 months we will be in the same place. They did that several times something similar with x-men and it keeks being a crapola of woke nonsense overflowing the store shelves with dozens of collections nobody wants and buys.
they always speak of the jumping on point, but it also serves as a jumping off point. if continuity bothers you as a writer, dont refer to past stories, just get the basics of the character right. If you want bring continuity to buikd upon, just dont be lazy
This isn't frist time its been hread for marvel officially somewhere in the the mid 80s somebody at the offices or Jim shooter himself did had the idea for the 25th anniversary of marvel to reboot the universe with all new number one's and then decade later bill jemas and Joe did had idea to reboot the whole universe, but ultimately the idea was scrapped in favor of the ultimate universe and don't forget heroes reborn?
Yes, the Marvel Multiverse is hard to penetrate in depth. But that's what makes it so rewarding and addictive to fans. Once you start feeling comfortable within it you're hooked. You feel like you accomplished something. You will always have that multiverse in your head to escape to. Even if you stop reading comics for a while you still wanna keep up with what the characters have been up to. It's like Tom Hanks says in A League of Their Own: The hard is what makes it great.
What publishers have to understand is that comics are a niche industry. They always have been. Yes Batman, Spider-Man, Superman, The Avengers and the X-Men are household names, but they're mainstream because of movies, cartoons, tv shows, video-games etc. The comics are the canary in the coal mine. The lab where you can experiment. If you manage to become popular in the comics then MAYBE you have a shot of becoming mainstream via other outlets. The industry has to embrace the fact that they're a niche audience and cater to their base captive readers instead of trying to appeal to a wider audience. The base are the ones who are gonna bring in new readers, not futile attempts to appeal to normies. It's never gonna happen. Most people don't even like to read and you only end up alienating your base customers.
I'm with Doc. (but a few years earlier.)
I don´t know if full reboot, but, some characters maybe need to move on. maybe some of them died, Peter Parker needs bring back his family with Mary Jane and her dougther. Maybe aged a little. and DC need that too. Batman can´t have like 5 Robins and still being like 30 he should have 40 or 50. maybe Bruce Wayne needs to become the "Oracle" the man on the chair like on the "Batman Beyond" cartoon. and train the next generation. Tim Drake could be Batman. Damian Wayne needs his own Identity and not just another Robin.
Actually you got me on that post, I started reading comics because of movies and shows but it actually Did bother me that I couldn't find the same or similar storyline, so yeah I do see your post that Marvel and DC movies are not the best way to get into comics. It is easier with Manga and animated stories because they take storylines more accurate to the source material.
I'm a female btw but I never voted on the Facebook thing, because I wasn't really aware of the poll on Facebook at the time, as I wasn't on Facebook that much.
I meant point not "post"🤦♀️
Just destroy the multiverse and never revisit that idea again.
For Marvel to even consider a full universe reboot they should have competent writers, artists and editors, and make sure they're on board for at least 10 years. In other words, it's bonkers for Marvel to even dwell on this right now.
A Terrible idea especially since it probably synergize with the MCU...and I hate what they have done with most of the Heroes in the MCU.
Hulk & Black Panther standout as especially butchered. I like my Hulk Savage and my Banner not a Stark Flunky; My T'Challa as a Super Genius with Edge and not Dead.
Oh also looking at New 52 yeah if your favorite is a C-Lister and even some B-Lister good chance they wont exist at all post Reboot.
If your lucky maybe they wont be gone for long if you are not then....
A reboot only makes sense if it is first accomplished with the editors and writers at Marvel being replaced with competent people who actually love and respect the characters, and all of their wonderful, complex canon. Without changing the people responsible for the content, you'll just be piling crap on top of crap. Will still stink.
It doesn’t matter to me. I haven’t bought Marvel since AvX.
I want Marvel to get their shit together, enough of these dumb characters, fix Spider-Man & destroy the Spiderverse, fix the Avengers & The X-Men stop all the woke nonsense. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER.
If Marvel is to be rebooted, it should be done so at a time when the cultural political influence upon movies is less prevalent. The biggest problem with superhero movies in particular is that the modern culture is attempting to wedge itself into a genre that is supposed to be escapist in nature and thus, ruins the experience and only serves to annoy the viewer, especially if the movie is taking a stance that certain viewers do not agree with.
Movies should be politically neutral works that focus on philosophical ideas and questions about good vs evil that hero films used to resonate with people of various walks of life regardless of ideology. It doesn't work anymore because movies appeal to one side of the political aisle which only alienates everyone else who, frankly, doesn't want to hear it if they're watching a movie about people with super powers saving the city. The current movie industry does not allow for this, especially Disney. Only when Disney returns to a more neutral and I suppose traditional terms of storytelling should a reboot be considered.
Definitely need better writers... The new champions don't even know where their powers come from 🤨📝
they just need good talent. they have the ultimate line and all that so why reboot.