I used another ground school for my IFR because the finer points was not available. I poached TFP free trial and it was considerably better than any “institute”. I look forward to one day taking Jason’s mountain flying class.
If you use the ground track vector inbound you could simplify the bracketing process. Once the CDI is aligned set heading bug to keep the track vector in alignment with the Final Approach course. You essentially did this without mentioning how useful the ground track vector is. Thanks as always for great content Jason!
Remember an actual IFR flight nothing is constant. You could plan all you want, but there’s always going to be a little quirks of heading and airspeed and groundspeed. This is why synthetic vision and MFD maps are great tools, but not substitutes for great training. Would like to see you fly an actual NDB approach. You may have to do that in the simulator because it’s hard to find those. If you can get to an airport and your G1 thousand supports it, some of them actually do have an ADF function. I would like to see that. I practiced those all the time in the because you never know when you may fly in the Bahamas.
Jason, I have a challenge for you. I know you don’t live in the area but maybe you can explain it or do it in simulator. Go to Kirkswood, MO, KIRK add look at the approach plate for VOR-A approach. This is a circling approach. If you notice in the plan view, there is a notification that no PT is required if arriving at IRK via airway radials 259 CW 007. The IAF and FAF is the IRK Vortac. It is only 2.9 miles from the FAF to the MAP. So if you are arriving to IRK on V50, you obviously would have to be configured prior to reaching the Vortac, and at 2500 feet. The conundrum is that you are supposed to descend to 2500 feet once established inbound normally on the inbound course. Here you would be making almost a 60° turn and descending beyond IRK with only 2.9 miles to the FAF. Not only that, establishing on the inbound course radial is going to be challenging since you are right over the Vortac and being able to center the needle in such a short duration would really be difficult. See what you could make of this other than saying I would rather just fly the DME arc or do an RNAV approach.
Why didn’t the “next leg” activate when passing NALLS? The GPS should’ve sequenced to the MAP (even though you’re flying “green needles”)? Was the approach activated prior to the FAF?
It's a technique to use for consistency when executing procedure turns. On this approach you need to stay within 10 nm of NALLS. Two minutes outbound (about 3 nm here) means you'll be more than 2 minutes inbound, giving you time to get on course and complete any before landing checks. You could do one minute out if you prefer, it's just more rushed.
@@JustSayN2O Best I can remember that was added as part of a software version update a few years ago. It may not be possible to upgrade an older non-WAAS unit with that software version. Maybe you can have the owner check with the radio shop.
I understand that the primary purpose of this video is showing a LOC approach. But with a G1000 (or similar GPS-based system), you can fly the outbound leg and PT using GPS guidance. You can continue fly the magenta line until you are established inbound on the LOC near the FAF (see, e.g., AIM 1-2-3). If you have a G1000 NXi or similar late-model GPS, such as GTN 750 or 650, you can also see a preview of the LOC course (if the LOC frequency is active). Systems like the G1000 also typically automatically switch from GPS to LOC (green needles) as the FAF becomes the active waypoint (in this case, as you fly the PT), and if you're using the AP, that automatic switch won't affect the AP/FD mode, which here should be NAV (with a VS selected after the FAF), because there's no vertical guidance from the FAF to the MAP. And since you loaded the procedure in the G1000, a timer isn't necessary--if you ensure that you've activated the leg inbound after the PT. And you can fly the entire published miss using GPS guidance. This sequence--using GPS until you are established inbound with the FAF as the next active waypoint and then, if necessary, using GPS guidance for the miss--is the standard way to fly navaid-based approaches with equipment like the G1000. Unless, as it seems you intended here, you want to demonstrate using only the LOC for guidance, as if you did not have a GPS in the panel.
I used another ground school for my IFR because the finer points was not available. I poached TFP free trial and it was considerably better than any “institute”. I look forward to one day taking Jason’s mountain flying class.
Dennis - does the Ground School app cover IFR? I plan on hitting the books for that soon and looking for the right course to get.
I like these longer format training videos, but I'd like to see it all the way to the ground. Keep it up! -Jason
If you use the ground track vector inbound you could simplify the bracketing process. Once the CDI is aligned set heading bug to keep the track vector in alignment with the Final Approach course. You essentially did this without mentioning how useful the ground track vector is. Thanks as always for great content Jason!
Remember an actual IFR flight nothing is constant. You could plan all you want, but there’s always going to be a little quirks of heading and airspeed and groundspeed. This is why synthetic vision and MFD maps are great tools, but not substitutes for great training. Would like to see you fly an actual NDB approach. You may have to do that in the simulator because it’s hard to find those. If you can get to an airport and your G1 thousand supports it, some of them actually do have an ADF function. I would like to see that. I practiced those all the time in the because you never know when you may fly in the Bahamas.
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Why do you keep referencing ground speed? Shouldn’t it be your airspeed you’re focused on?
Timer to MAP based on ground speed I think.
Yes, the timer from the FAF to the MAP is groundspeed
Jason, I have a challenge for you. I know you don’t live in the area but maybe you can explain it or do it in simulator. Go to Kirkswood, MO, KIRK add look at the approach plate for VOR-A approach. This is a circling approach. If you notice in the plan view, there is a notification that no PT is required if arriving at IRK via airway radials 259 CW 007. The IAF and FAF is the IRK Vortac. It is only 2.9 miles from the FAF to the MAP. So if you are arriving to IRK on V50, you obviously would have to be configured prior to reaching the Vortac, and at 2500 feet. The conundrum is that you are supposed to descend to 2500 feet once established inbound normally on the inbound course. Here you would be making almost a 60° turn and descending beyond IRK with only 2.9 miles to the FAF. Not only that, establishing on the inbound course radial is going to be challenging since you are right over the Vortac and being able to center the needle in such a short duration would really be difficult. See what you could make of this other than saying I would rather just fly the DME arc or do an RNAV approach.
Why didn’t the “next leg” activate when passing NALLS? The GPS should’ve sequenced to the MAP (even though you’re flying “green needles”)? Was the approach activated prior to the FAF?
I would love to see the same type of video but with GTN750. Great video!
Can you perform a similar IFR with a six pack?
Flying here in the Atlanta area, I’d kill for some of the west coast beautiful IFR weather! Thanks for posting this valuable and free content!
Another excellent training video. Thank you!
Cool, flew this approach quite a few times on steam gauges 🙂
Thank you, sir! 😊
Nice.
It wasn't clear to me why 2min outbound.
It's a technique to use for consistency when executing procedure turns. On this approach you need to stay within 10 nm of NALLS. Two minutes outbound (about 3 nm here) means you'll be more than 2 minutes inbound, giving you time to get on course and complete any before landing checks. You could do one minute out if you prefer, it's just more rushed.
Retta Stravenue
I’m surprised you don’t point out other tools available. Specifically, the ground track bug for assistance in tracking a course.
I believe I mention it specifically near or after the FAF - did you watch the whole video?
@@TheFinerPoints I watched the whole video. Maybe I missed it.
He did mention it, but what is it? The 172 that I rent has an ancient G1000. No WAAS. No "ground track bug".
Nice job!!!
@@JustSayN2O Best I can remember that was added as part of a software version update a few years ago. It may not be possible to upgrade an older non-WAAS unit with that software version. Maybe you can have the owner check with the radio shop.
I understand that the primary purpose of this video is showing a LOC approach. But with a G1000 (or similar GPS-based system), you can fly the outbound leg and PT using GPS guidance. You can continue fly the magenta line until you are established inbound on the LOC near the FAF (see, e.g., AIM 1-2-3). If you have a G1000 NXi or similar late-model GPS, such as GTN 750 or 650, you can also see a preview of the LOC course (if the LOC frequency is active). Systems like the G1000 also typically automatically switch from GPS to LOC (green needles) as the FAF becomes the active waypoint (in this case, as you fly the PT), and if you're using the AP, that automatic switch won't affect the AP/FD mode, which here should be NAV (with a VS selected after the FAF), because there's no vertical guidance from the FAF to the MAP. And since you loaded the procedure in the G1000, a timer isn't necessary--if you ensure that you've activated the leg inbound after the PT. And you can fly the entire published miss using GPS guidance. This sequence--using GPS until you are established inbound with the FAF as the next active waypoint and then, if necessary, using GPS guidance for the miss--is the standard way to fly navaid-based approaches with equipment like the G1000. Unless, as it seems you intended here, you want to demonstrate using only the LOC for guidance, as if you did not have a GPS in the panel.
He said, in the beginning of the video, that he was going to use GPS for reference only.