그가 간지 꽤 세월이 흘렀는데도 아직 저렇게 영웅으로 추모하는 걸 보면 그들의 격변의 현대사에서 상징적인 아이콘 중 하나가 아니였나 싶네요. 한국인의 피, 그에 열광하는 러시아인들...그런 의미에서도 좋아하기도 했구요. 한때 그의 음악을 들었을때 첫인상은 이 보이스로 어떻게? 했었는데 공부하면서 무의식적으로 반복해서 듣다보니 나중에 가사도 찾아보고 그의 음악을 꽤 좋아했던 추억이 새록새록하네요.
Мне было 16 когда он погиб, прошло более 30 лет, но не только я, но и мои дети слушают его песни. Он был лучшим рок исполнителем 90х годов в моей стране. Лучший русский кореец.
그당시에는 혈액형같은 반전 가요가(러시아 당국) 특히 KGB측에서는 매우 불편했을꺼에요 영상 제작실력이 나날이 향상 대네요 너무 좋았어요 여러번 보아도 싫지않을듯,, 특히 시베리아 소녀가 어릴적 보았던 이웃집 소녀 같네요 검은머리에 파란눈에 록커라면 서양 사람들에게는 "신비스런존재"" 아니었을까요
@MosNuna I also used to think that Victor was killed. But this is not the case. On the day of his death, many factors converged: 1. Victor did not study for a car license. It was given to him. Victor's father and Yuri Kasparyan (Victor's best friend, the Kino's guitarist) taught him to drive a car a little. 2. Victor liked to drive fast. He often drove at a speed of about 100 km/h. 3. That day Victor was a cold, woke up early and did not get enough sleep. But he went fishing anyway. At the autopsy, the pathologist found that Choi had purulent bronchitis. 4. Victor's father said that he could confuse the gas and brake pedals in a stressful situation. 5. Victor's mother said that he could think about something and withdraw into himself, forgetting about reality. Therefore, it is likely that he could really be distracted. 6. An audio recorder was found in Choi's car, in which his last album, recorded on a cassette, was playing. It is quite possible that he bent down to rearrange the sides of the audio cassette. 7. There was a very sharp turn at the scene of his accident, where it is very difficult not to turn into oncoming traffic. 8. When Viktor and his girlfriend were just driving from Moscow to Latvia, they had already had an accident. One car caught up with the other. This also indicates Victor's inexperience as a driver. And if we dig even into mysticism, then it seems that Victor knew about his imminent death: 1. In the song "Fairy Tale" there are lines "And then she will come. Get ready, he'll say, let's go. Give the body to the earth. Well, the body haven't sung all the songs yet, but the body was not given enough love. It's a strange thing." I feel like Choi is literally talking about his impending death here. He really felt then that he didn't sing all the songs. And in love, not everything was OK. Moreover, this song was written in 1988. 2. In 1990, Victor had already recorded the song "Cuckoo", in which, again, Choi literally asks fate how much he has left to live: "How many songs have not yet been written, say cuckoo, sing." 3. In general, there is a feeling that in many songs Victor appeals to God, to Christ. And, for example, in the song "Summer will end" it says that he turns off the TV and writes a letter to someone that he has no more strength, but he has not forgotten who he is writing to. And at the same time there is the phrase "I'm waiting for an answer. There are no more hopes. Summer will be over soon. This." And I'm sure that this song is not an appeal to his ex-wife or current girlfriend, because everything is clear there. And in general, the song looks like Victor knows that he will die at the end of the summer, so in fact he writes a letter to God, saying that he is tired of looking at what is happening in the world and has not forgotten God. At the same time, he remembers that he is destined to live only until the end of this summer of 1990. 4. In 1990, the song "Pines on the seashore" was also recorded, where there are also lines that support my thought in thinking about the last song: "But I believe that you will say these few words. And then I'm ready to leave a mark on this snow." Here again, there is a feeling that this is an appeal to God, that he was expecting some kind of sign and when he receives it, he is ready to live even longer. Plus , Choi 's fatigue from this life is evoked by other lines of this song: "I'm tired of foreign cities, I'm tired of cracking this ice, I'd like to fall asleep, but there's no time to wait." Here Victor literally talks about how tired he is of traveling with concerts in cities. But the phrase "I'm tired of splitting this ice" makes more sense, here he meant that he was tired of trying to break the ice in people's hearts, to reveal them. 5. In the song "Red-yellow days" there are lines: "My train has waited at the depot. I'm leaving again, it's time. On the threshold of the wind was waiting for me, on the threshold autumn is my sister." Here again, Victor literally says that his life is coming to an end and the train of his life has stagnated in the depot. At the same time, again a reference to the time of his death: on the threshold autumn is my sister. In the same song there is another moment: "And I will return home with a shield, or maybe on a shield; in silver, or maybe in poverty, but as soon as possible." I have a feeling that Victor meant the Kingdom of heaven by the house. 6. In the song "Question" there is a direct dialogue with Jesus Christ, where there are lines: "Tell me the history of this world, be surprised at the number of years I have lived. Tell me what it's like to be a target in a shooting gallery, I have a question that you won't give me an answer to." The history of this world can only be learned from God. Moreover, Christ himself said that those who will carry his word and follow him will be like a target in a shooting gallery. And immediately Choi says to Christ: "Be surprised at the number of years I have lived.", which also suggests that he knew how long he was destined to live. 7. Viktor's friends said that at some friendly meeting, where Boris Grebenshchikov was also present, Choi once said: "Boris, you understand that if you suddenly die unexpectedly young, you will become a legend." No one expected this phrase and nothing foreshadowed it. Moreover, it was said that Victor then had tears in his eyes. And there is also a feeling that at that moment he already knew about his imminent death and that he would become a legend. And the question to Boris was more a reflection to understand what his friend thinks about a similar situation. Victor was 25 years old at the time. 8. Victor's latest painting is called "The Road", it depicts a man driving a car into the unknown. The feeling that the car is going to eternity, to the interworld. At the same time, the picture is copied from his photo, where he is sitting at the wheel of Yuri Kasparyan's car. Moreover, he is the Reference of the painting, the borders of the drawing were circled in a black rectangle with a marker. In fact, he circled his own photo in a mourning frame. 9. Lately, Victor liked to wear a necktie around his neck, which in its shape resembled a raven, a bird that is called a messenger of death. 10. In the song "Legend" there are lines: "And life is only a word. There is only love and there is death. Death is worth living. And love is worth waiting for." Here it is generally felt that he considers death better than life, and that it is as if only after death he will see the one he loves. 11. In one interview, Victor was asked if he was afraid of death. To this he replied: "For some reason, you are asking questions that concern me the least. It's easier to be afraid of life."
Спасибо за прекрасный ролик.😍🥰💖 Рекомендую ещё посмотреть ролик о событии нашего времени, думаю вам будет интересно: th-cam.com/video/sm4Ybyw7DOk/w-d-xo.html
저당시 에는 러시아도 죽음이 미스테리로 남을만 하네요,.... 그래도 지금이라도 밝혀주지.... 아티스트에 러시아는 진심인 나라 아닌가?? 러시아 주경기장 콘서트도 해외 좀 음악한다는 사람들 많이 하던데... 모스크바 콘서트 라이브도 많고, 최근 “알렌워커”도 했엇고,,오래전엔 “블루시스템” 도 했엇고... 암튼 아티스트 한테는 러시아는 많이 관대한거 같음! 근대 빅토르최 전시 진짜 잘해 놨네요!! 꼭 한번 가보고 싶군요.도서관도 함께요!! 우리나라 같으면 저 기타 전시도 못함!! 다 당근해 버렸을듯!! 영상 잘 봣습니다!! 👍👍🙂
안녕하세요 제 영상이 도움이 되었다니 다행이고, 자녀 분이 모스크바에 왔으니 당연히 걱정이 많으시겠지요... 여기는 인종차별이 거의 없고 사람들이 순수하여 왕따도 없습니다 사람들 자체는 참 좋으니 학교 생활 잘 할겁니다 🙏 호텔은 요즘은 다 가격을 쉽게 알 수 있고 예약도 가능하기에 러시아인, 외국인이 가격이 다르지않습니다 한국처럼 카드할인이나 각종 할인제도는 없습니다 ^^
전세계적으로 푸틴을 규탄한다는건 모순적인 모습들일겁니다. 미국이란 나라에 대한 눈치보기뿐일겁니다. 오히려 규탄받아야할것은 돈의 권력에 전쟁을 일으키는 미국정부죠. 또한 반성해야할것들은 언론의 자유를 외치는 언론들이죠. 돈벌이에 미쳐 진실은 은폐하고, 가짜뉴스만 보도하고 떠드는..
그가 간지 꽤 세월이 흘렀는데도 아직 저렇게 영웅으로 추모하는 걸 보면 그들의 격변의 현대사에서 상징적인 아이콘 중 하나가 아니였나 싶네요. 한국인의 피, 그에 열광하는 러시아인들...그런 의미에서도 좋아하기도 했구요. 한때 그의 음악을 들었을때 첫인상은 이 보이스로 어떻게? 했었는데 공부하면서 무의식적으로 반복해서 듣다보니 나중에 가사도 찾아보고 그의 음악을 꽤 좋아했던 추억이 새록새록하네요.
천재네...천재는 요절한다더니....
나는 오래 살겠구나....
빅토르 최 선생님에 대해 자상하게 설명해주셔서 고마워요!
행복하세요!
빅토르최 선생님은
민초분들 마음속에
항상살아계세요!
좋은영상ㅡ러시아를 이해하는데 도움이 되었습니다.
러시아 미술에 대한 영상도 부탁 드립니다.
건강하세요.행복은 덤
레닌 도서관 서적 규모와 직원수 대단하네요~ 영상 잘봤습니다~
Мне было 16 когда он погиб, прошло более 30 лет, но не только я, но и мои дети слушают его песни. Он был лучшим рок исполнителем 90х годов в моей стране. Лучший русский кореец.
Спасибо большое 🙏
좋은 방송입니다 감사합니다
빅토르 초이가 미술과 예술도 재능이 있었다는 것을 처음으로 알았습니다 차분히 설명해 주시니 좋습니다
오래전 해외에 거주할때 그의 다큐를 처음 알았지요....문화적으로 개혁의 상징....안타까운 의문의 요절....지금도 그의 묘소엔 불이 꺼지지 않고....그의 영혼을 품고 사는 사람들....
Спасибо
감사합니다 ⚘️
이번 영상도 너무좋습니다 👍🏻👍🏻
좋은정보 감사합니다.
다큐 수준이네요. 영상 정말 잘 봤습니다.
한편의 다큐입니다. 잘 정리해 주셔서 감사합니다..바쁘실 테지만 소소한 것이라도 러시아 소식
자주 전해주세요..^^
빅토르 초이를 소개해주시니 감회가 새롭네요 ^^ 감사합니다
좋은 영상 만들어
주셔서 감사합니다
좋은 영상 감사합니다^^
감사 합니다. 좋은 영상 만드시느라 수고 하셨고요.
영상 퀄리티 너무 좋네요.... kbs 다큐 보는 느낌입니다. 현지에서 보고픈 마음이 더 간절해 지는군요... 좋은 영상 감사합니다.
감사합니다 좋은 정보 👍👍
좋은 영상을 올려 주셔서 감사합니다
이제 모스누나의 왕팬이 되었네요 ***
제가 아직 부족한 게 많은데, 말씀 감사합니다. 🙏
포스가 느껴진다
Наверно, корейцы гордятся Виктором Цоем как своим собратом по нации. Сеул бы радостно визжал в истерике если бы концерт Цоя все-таки состоялся
그 시기에 한국 공연이 성사되었으면 임팩트가 컸을 텐데 아쉽군요.
빅토르최,러시아에남은한국혈통의자존심,
빅토르최 노래 가사가 진짜 너무 좋음.
맞아요!😊
맞아요!
Он жив!
ЦОЙ ЖИВ
그당시에는 혈액형같은 반전 가요가(러시아 당국) 특히 KGB측에서는
매우 불편했을꺼에요
영상 제작실력이 나날이 향상 대네요 너무 좋았어요
여러번 보아도 싫지않을듯,, 특히 시베리아 소녀가 어릴적 보았던 이웃집 소녀 같네요
검은머리에 파란눈에 록커라면 서양 사람들에게는 "신비스런존재"" 아니었을까요
네. 그래서 KGB
암살설이 있습니다
@MosNuna I also used to think that Victor was killed. But this is not the case. On the day of his death, many factors converged:
1. Victor did not study for a car license. It was given to him. Victor's father and Yuri Kasparyan (Victor's best friend, the Kino's guitarist) taught him to drive a car a little.
2. Victor liked to drive fast. He often drove at a speed of about 100 km/h.
3. That day Victor was a cold, woke up early and did not get enough sleep. But he went fishing anyway. At the autopsy, the pathologist found that Choi had purulent bronchitis.
4. Victor's father said that he could confuse the gas and brake pedals in a stressful situation.
5. Victor's mother said that he could think about something and withdraw into himself, forgetting about reality. Therefore, it is likely that he could really be distracted.
6. An audio recorder was found in Choi's car, in which his last album, recorded on a cassette, was playing. It is quite possible that he bent down to rearrange the sides of the audio cassette.
7. There was a very sharp turn at the scene of his accident, where it is very difficult not to turn into oncoming traffic.
8. When Viktor and his girlfriend were just driving from Moscow to Latvia, they had already had an accident. One car caught up with the other. This also indicates Victor's inexperience as a driver.
And if we dig even into mysticism, then it seems that Victor knew about his imminent death:
1. In the song "Fairy Tale" there are lines "And then she will come. Get ready, he'll say, let's go. Give the body to the earth. Well, the body haven't sung all the songs yet, but the body was not given enough love. It's a strange thing." I feel like Choi is literally talking about his impending death here. He really felt then that he didn't sing all the songs. And in love, not everything was OK. Moreover, this song was written in 1988.
2. In 1990, Victor had already recorded the song "Cuckoo", in which, again, Choi literally asks fate how much he has left to live: "How many songs have not yet been written, say cuckoo, sing."
3. In general, there is a feeling that in many songs Victor appeals to God, to Christ. And, for example, in the song "Summer will end" it says that he turns off the TV and writes a letter to someone that he has no more strength, but he has not forgotten who he is writing to. And at the same time there is the phrase "I'm waiting for an answer. There are no more hopes. Summer will be over soon. This." And I'm sure that this song is not an appeal to his ex-wife or current girlfriend, because everything is clear there. And in general, the song looks like Victor knows that he will die at the end of the summer, so in fact he writes a letter to God, saying that he is tired of looking at what is happening in the world and has not forgotten God. At the same time, he remembers that he is destined to live only until the end of this summer of 1990.
4. In 1990, the song "Pines on the seashore" was also recorded, where there are also lines that support my thought in thinking about the last song: "But I believe that you will say these few words. And then I'm ready to leave a mark on this snow." Here again, there is a feeling that this is an appeal to God, that he was expecting some kind of sign and when he receives it, he is ready to live even longer. Plus , Choi 's fatigue from this life is evoked by other lines of this song: "I'm tired of foreign cities, I'm tired of cracking this ice, I'd like to fall asleep, but there's no time to wait." Here Victor literally talks about how tired he is of traveling with concerts in cities. But the phrase "I'm tired of splitting this ice" makes more sense, here he meant that he was tired of trying to break the ice in people's hearts, to reveal them.
5. In the song "Red-yellow days" there are lines: "My train has waited at the depot. I'm leaving again, it's time. On the threshold of the wind was waiting for me, on the threshold autumn is my sister." Here again, Victor literally says that his life is coming to an end and the train of his life has stagnated in the depot. At the same time, again a reference to the time of his death: on the threshold autumn is my sister. In the same song there is another moment: "And I will return home with a shield, or maybe on a shield; in silver, or maybe in poverty, but as soon as possible." I have a feeling that Victor meant the Kingdom of heaven by the house.
6. In the song "Question" there is a direct dialogue with Jesus Christ, where there are lines: "Tell me the history of this world, be surprised at the number of years I have lived. Tell me what it's like to be a target in a shooting gallery, I have a question that you won't give me an answer to." The history of this world can only be learned from God. Moreover, Christ himself said that those who will carry his word and follow him will be like a target in a shooting gallery. And immediately Choi says to Christ: "Be surprised at the number of years I have lived.", which also suggests that he knew how long he was destined to live.
7. Viktor's friends said that at some friendly meeting, where Boris Grebenshchikov was also present, Choi once said: "Boris, you understand that if you suddenly die unexpectedly young, you will become a legend." No one expected this phrase and nothing foreshadowed it. Moreover, it was said that Victor then had tears in his eyes. And there is also a feeling that at that moment he already knew about his imminent death and that he would become a legend. And the question to Boris was more a reflection to understand what his friend thinks about a similar situation. Victor was 25 years old at the time.
8. Victor's latest painting is called "The Road", it depicts a man driving a car into the unknown. The feeling that the car is going to eternity, to the interworld. At the same time, the picture is copied from his photo, where he is sitting at the wheel of Yuri Kasparyan's car. Moreover, he is the Reference of the painting, the borders of the drawing were circled in a black rectangle with a marker. In fact, he circled his own photo in a mourning frame.
9. Lately, Victor liked to wear a necktie around his neck, which in its shape resembled a raven, a bird that is called a messenger of death.
10. In the song "Legend" there are lines: "And life is only a word. There is only love and there is death. Death is worth living. And love is worth waiting for." Here it is generally felt that he considers death better than life, and that it is as if only after death he will see the one he loves.
11. In one interview, Victor was asked if he was afraid of death. To this he replied: "For some reason, you are asking questions that concern me the least. It's easier to be afraid of life."
BTW, Victor Choi had a light brown-green eyes.
내가1등이야
감사합니다 💐
🤗👍
빅은 나름
뜬금
원래 크리에이터는 죽어서 알아주는게 허다한게 생전에는 남들과 다르다고 알아주지 않다가 성향이 변해서야 알아주지
이쪽에 해본적 있어서 잘알음
오늘 유리 가가린 무슨 날이라고 하던데 ㅎㅎ 코스모스 박물관 투어 영상 올려주세요. 불쌍항 강아지 썰도 풀어주시고요)) 로켓 조형물 앞 과학자 동상이 로켓탄도 공식만든 소련 천재 과학자라고 하고 지금도 그의 공식으로 우리 나로호 궤도 계산한다고 하네요 ㅎㅎ
1961년 4월12일이 유리가가린이 우주에 다녀온 날이기에 우주 비행사의 날로 기념되고 있습니다. 인간의 첫 우주 비행 이였는데 108분 동안 지구 궤도를 돌았으니 더 자랑스럽지요.. 작년에 제가 만든 영상을 찾으셔서 다행입니다 ^^ 감사합니다 ~
중국에도 락의 대부라 불리는 우리민족인 최건이란 분 이 계시는데
페레스트로이카, , , 한참 빠져있었던 나의 청소년시절
"키노" 그리운 시절이 떠오르네요^^
모스님 감사해요^^
이런전쟁과 상관없는 소식들 많이 부탁드려요^^
부활주일입니다
모이 싸므이 류비므이....RIP
체널TV2. 만드세요,
역시 두말 할것 없이 도스토옙스키 나라 답군요
빅토르 최 서구에서도 유명한가요
미국,유럽,일본에 알려지기 시작한게 1989년이고, 빅토르와 작업을 하려고 해외에서 많은 연락을 받던 중 1990년에 세상을 떠났고, 한국에서도 공연을 하려고 했다는데 너무 아쉽습니다. 해외에서는 일부만 그를 기억할거 같습니다
@@MosNuna 디스커버리 채널에서 소련 대중 문화 소개 다큐 했었는데 빅토르 최가 언급이 안되서요
@@shk5253 그렇군요.. 빅토르를 빼고 말을 한다는게 가능할지요🤔
매니아층은 있어요
잘계시나요??
유트브에서 러시아쪽 차단햇다는데..
걱정댑니다
안녕하세요. 저는 잘 지냅니다. 아직 차단까지는 모르겠는데, 점점 상황이 이렇게 되어지니까 걱정입니다...
@@MosNuna 다행입니다, 서방에서 저렇게 엄청남 무기와 엄청남 돈을 지원해 준다면 이전쟁도 쉽게 끝나지 않을것 같네요, 러시아가 곡물수출금해 버리면 유럽과 아프리카는 생지옥이 댈텐데~~~ 망할글로벌리스트들의 장난이 도를 지나치네요
전세계적으로 입막기가 시작된지 어느정도 됐네요.
우크라의 진실을 알리고자 하는 저널리스트들의 채널도 삭제되고, 일부 영상들이 차단되고 댓글들이 삭제됩니다.
Спасибо за прекрасный ролик.😍🥰💖
Рекомендую ещё посмотреть ролик о событии нашего времени, думаю вам будет интересно: th-cam.com/video/sm4Ybyw7DOk/w-d-xo.html
저당시 에는 러시아도 죽음이 미스테리로 남을만 하네요,.... 그래도 지금이라도 밝혀주지.... 아티스트에 러시아는 진심인 나라 아닌가?? 러시아 주경기장 콘서트도 해외 좀 음악한다는 사람들 많이 하던데... 모스크바 콘서트 라이브도 많고, 최근 “알렌워커”도 했엇고,,오래전엔 “블루시스템” 도 했엇고... 암튼 아티스트 한테는 러시아는 많이 관대한거 같음! 근대 빅토르최 전시 진짜 잘해 놨네요!! 꼭 한번 가보고 싶군요.도서관도 함께요!! 우리나라 같으면 저 기타 전시도 못함!! 다 당근해 버렸을듯!! 영상 잘 봣습니다!! 👍👍🙂
예수님의 부활을 축하드립니다
모스누님 덕분에 오늘도 교육방송 잘보았네요 🎓
모스크바 호텔 가격이 러시아인들과 외국인들이 같은가요? 제 아이가 3일 전 모스크바에 도착했는데, 마지막 결정을 내리기까지, 모스누나 영상 많이 도움되었어요 안정된 도시를 자세히 방송해주셔서요!!! 고마워요 🙏🏼
안녕하세요 제 영상이 도움이 되었다니 다행이고, 자녀 분이 모스크바에 왔으니 당연히 걱정이 많으시겠지요... 여기는 인종차별이 거의 없고 사람들이 순수하여 왕따도 없습니다 사람들 자체는 참 좋으니 학교 생활 잘 할겁니다 🙏 호텔은 요즘은 다 가격을 쉽게 알 수 있고 예약도 가능하기에 러시아인, 외국인이 가격이 다르지않습니다 한국처럼 카드할인이나 각종 할인제도는 없습니다 ^^
@@MosNuna 감사해요 😊 상황보면서 저희도 6월경 방문해보려해요..., 😇
@@MosNunaспасибо, очень приятно это читать,Цой жив.
한국 피디들은 왜 빅토르 최 아들과 인터뷰를 하지 않을까? 그의 아들은 고려인인데...
정치,종교 고대사외면
91년소련붕괴후 친중
적성향
대단하다,근데 엄마가 러시아인이라는데 어찌 혼혈 안같고 그냥 토종 고려인 같은데...
빅토르 최 아버지는 한국인이 아니고 한국계 러시아인 맞다고 봅니다.
변화를 두려워 하는 세력에 의해 암살 당한거 같은데 .. 유명해진다는거 위험이 함께 하는것 같습니다
우와 ㅎㅎ러시아는 완전 마스크 안쓰는 일상이네요,,,
3월15일 부터 완전 해제 되었습니다. 원래 처음부터 실외와 중학교 이하 아이들은 마스크를 착용 안했습니다
제 닉네임이? ㅎ
뮤지션으로 존경하자 ! 한국인이라고 빨지말고 ! 그는 러시아인이다 !
시대상 불가능
kgb가 죽인 빅토르최
전세계적으로 푸틴을 규탄하고있는 이상황에 이런영상 올리는 용기가 가상하군요 ㅠㅠㅠ 하긴 독일이나 영국에서는 러시아전쟁 찬성집회도 열린다던데 ㅉ ㅉ
전세계적으로 푸틴을 규탄한다는건 모순적인 모습들일겁니다.
미국이란 나라에 대한 눈치보기뿐일겁니다.
오히려 규탄받아야할것은 돈의 권력에 전쟁을 일으키는 미국정부죠.
또한 반성해야할것들은 언론의 자유를 외치는 언론들이죠.
돈벌이에 미쳐 진실은 은폐하고, 가짜뉴스만 보도하고 떠드는..
그거 독일사는 러시아계가 해댄거라 독일안에서도 비난 엄청났지
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