I tried playing a few real games with the Celestials, and I thought my brain was going to melt. They have such wildly different gameplay compared to the other factions that I just could not figure out on my own. Looking forward to there being more guides to them once it enters early access.
Chat was too funny during this video. "Legally distinct core" as chalkboard scraping sounds floated into my ears. This 2024 RTS race sure is something.
Watch some of the Pro's play Celestial. They are crazy. You can basically build your base right in front of their natural at the very beginning of the game.
Here is an intellectual arguments for generic upgrades- 1. It creates power fantasy - meaning that your units are better in the end of the game than in the beginning 2. It creates timing situations just like tiering works - so you invest into something that takes time and you are weaker during this period, your opponent can build more units instead of an upgrade and try to capitalize on it, but if the upgrading player defends they can get the upper hand 3. It allows for a more risk free early game - when units are weaker and they cannot destroy buildings, to an easier closure of endgame where the upgraded army can go into someone's base and wipe them out in a minute (marine or zergling upgrades) 4. It allows for different interactions in different times of the game - in BW early zerglings beat zealots, but +1 zealots 2 shot zerglings so completely turns it arround. Same is the situation with Archons - +3 archons melt zerglings and they become irrelevant in lategame ZvP. These timing can be used to delay the usefulness of a unit or completely change the interactions. 5. It allows early game units to be able to fight higher tier units if their upgrades are better - so more usefulness from early units. 6. It allows yet switches of army composition of same types of units - so every unit of your bio army is getting better, but you cannot immediately go to mech, so pushing into limitations. There are so many good arguments for generic upgrades honestly :D
Adding two more - It allows for different faction of the same type to have different endgames (Age of Empires where certain factions miss +3 on cavalery or archers, so they need a different strategy) It allows for important targets for harrass other than workers - for example - sniping an ebay which was nearly finishing a +2/3 upgrades could be more impactful than killing a command center in certain situations
This faction is a bit too experimental for me. I'll probably play Vanguard until people figure out how they're supposed to fit into the big picture of the game. Really cool design, though.
I really enjoy the mechanics, but agree that Celestial design is scattered at the moment, that said, they still have placeholder units and buildings as well, so definitely work in progress. Also, considering that one of Frost Giant's income avenues will be purchasable skins, I'm sure we'll see a lot of different looks for all three factions.
I really wanted to like Stormgate but dang if the aesthetic don't put me off significantly. It's super plasticky like Starcraft 2 was but with less of a sci-fi twist. Never enjoyed the sci-fi/fantasy fusion and it really limits each factions flavour when they're all half robot half fantasy half sci-fi. I know that's the point, but idk, none of them feel very focused.
It's intended, some of them are biological beings that integrated nanotech into themselves, others are fully mechanical constructs that the former created.
With their bait and switch for their kickstarter moving the goalposts from "Finished Game" to "Finished Alpha" and trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that's the same and general scumminess around financing this I couldn't be less hyped.
Just decided to check up on SG (a noosphere moment), and what do I see? Roblox angels? And a paid release? Is SG going to be alive 2 weeks after the release though lmao? - Adûnâi
For how strongly the idea for Celestials is to be structure based, their structures are too fat to use during battle, like you place one and your army already doesnt fit around its range, is something i found. Hopefully fixed on release
I would really prefer more slick or slim artstyle for Celestials. We already have bulky units for Vanguard and Infernals. I would really prefer more medieval look like diablo Angels than this 90s style plastic toys :P
Frost Giant seriously needs to work on those map tiles. Looks like pre-alpha StarCraft II. I mean like giant archon 3 templars pre-alpha, which is sad.
As a Warcraft 3 (Fantasy genre, hero focus instead of mass units) fan, Stormgate is just a no-go. Every Stormgate news is a painful reminder that despite all efforts, no real successor in style and philosophy and overall QUALITY of Warcraft 3 is currently in development, by no company on this planet. (Godsworn btw. is a prime example of a well intended game which in comparison to the 20+years older wc3 lacks quality on almost every level of comparison.)
20 years old or not, wc3 still had a full, dedicated dev team from one of the most successfull companies behind it. Godsworn is being developed by 2 people iirc. Not really a fair comparison imo 🙈
This game look like soulless starcraft with GFX from 2005..I expected a lot from this game and turn out to be a joke..Also i cant tell what are building and what are units for 3rd race is just to hard to differentiate..
Man all of the game looks, sounds and feels so generic and derivative. Like a weird amalgamation of SC2 and WC3 but with none of their unique and iconic designs. And gameplay wise I don’t see much , if any, innovation either.
You’re not wrong, in SC2 (and somewhat WC3) you can take the outline of a unit or building and most people even a little familiar with gameplay could reasonably recognize the game the out line is from, probably the race too. It’s definitely something Frost Giant should pay attention to, and I think on some level they are. A few of their units do have that, notably the mech with the giant chain gun. Redesigns ware also some they are willing to do , take a look at the concept for the EXO redesign.
Yea nothing excites me like warcraft 3 or starcraft 1 did. Granted I was a kid but like, the music and designs of each faction were very unique, did not crossover with eachother and fired me up. Like compare the amount of spunk in a terran start in sc1 with marines and workers and the music to this game. I know it's not done but come on, it feels lifeless.
@@pigzard01 you do realize that this is the people who MADE starcraft and warcraft. that's literally their art style. that's also why starcraft and warcraft are Themselves cartoony.
@mc.builder8267 Of course, I know that, which is why I expected them to have more original designs, not just a hodge podge of units that are too on the nose on what they're copied from.
@@lincolnreinert1205 That's been proven to be false though. The similarities are uncanny, but there is no relation or inspiration between the two games.
Because this game has active developement. SC2 is only being ran by the community now with a balance patch every year or so. No new content. Frost giant is actively adding content to this game which feels like sc2
I understand more and more why these people got sacked from Blizzard. Maybe the creators were the problem, while we blame the fall on the creators that were left behind.
To me, sadly this game is too much Starcraft-like which is definitely not my kind of RTS game. Luckily AoE4 is still live but lacking this quality of life simplicity.
Props for the Pick of Destiny quote. As for the race...It's too convoluted. Honestly, the more of Stormgate I see, the less I care about the game. It just keeps getting worse with every update. Thing is...NORMALLY, you learn a race through the lens of the campaign, which drops new mechanics and units on you one at a time which is not only not available right now, but as a F2P game, the campaign is not free...so the learning curve is going to be outrageous for anyone who doesn't plan to spend money here. This race looks like The Eldar from Warhammer mixed with a failed geometry test. The way it appears to play...just, please. Just delete this from the game, my god.
Visually they look like toys. (I mean toys for kids, wargame miniatures are much better) Gameplay wise they are overloaded with mechanics, but nothing is cool or impactful. If you want to get new players into your game you need some cool things in it: Visual style, lore, original ideas, interesting gameplay elements. Looks too safe and generic for me.
@@whatdothlife4660 They lack both quality and visual integrity. There are better 50$ models in the asset stores. Some of them are with animations included. The visual style is a nightmare. There are dragons, dogs, demons, tanks, guys with spears, and now space angels. Dragons aren't big and epic, demons aren't scary or disgusting, tanks don't make loud and big explosions. Space angels aren't transcendent or majestic, just plastic. And they fight dogs and guys with spears. Ok, you want to make space angels. Do something interesting. Like big golden guys in gothic cathedral stylized battleships (oops it's just space marines). Or creepy and uncanny metal death machines with halos and wings. Or non-material entities that use quaint exo suits to do some physical things and swap them freely. And you have to think how different factions will look at the battlefield together. No dogs vs plastic angels, please.
is the SC II Reskin Project? i love RTS but this is basicly almost sc2 uglier reskin, no originality at all, its like theyre idea cant move on from SC2
I kinda agree, but it's a start, they can improve and add stuff in it over time. I see it like a sc2 copy that can still improve and have new ideas implemented, which could be good, who knows.
If youre listening devs, please make a mechanism for players to control the creeps in creep camps. Nobody wants to watch AI units in a competitive 1v1 game. Its outdated and spectator unfriendly.
Making there no barrier to map objectives is far worse because then you get silly races between fast units to gain control of the various resources, and goose chases between scvs and zerglings are boring for players and spectators.
Just decided to check up on SG (a noosphere moment), and what do I see? Roblox angels? And a paid release? Is SG going to be alive 2 weeks after the release though lmao? - Adûnâi
I tried playing a few real games with the Celestials, and I thought my brain was going to melt. They have such wildly different gameplay compared to the other factions that I just could not figure out on my own. Looking forward to there being more guides to them once it enters early access.
ayup, the "So advanced they're just magic" race. The "Krotoss"
I believe we can still bring in anime catgirls if we ask nicely enough
meow
HERE IS HOW ANIME CATGIRLS CAN STILL WIN!
mods will be suported
@@unitynetworks5734 That's an excellent point
Who knows how they monetize the game. There is still the option of anime catgirl skins for all factions
Chat was too funny during this video. "Legally distinct core" as chalkboard scraping sounds floated into my ears.
This 2024 RTS race sure is something.
Watch some of the Pro's play Celestial. They are crazy. You can basically build your base right in front of their natural at the very beginning of the game.
Here is an intellectual arguments for generic upgrades-
1. It creates power fantasy - meaning that your units are better in the end of the game than in the beginning
2. It creates timing situations just like tiering works - so you invest into something that takes time and you are weaker during this period, your opponent can build more units instead of an upgrade and try to capitalize on it, but if the upgrading player defends they can get the upper hand
3. It allows for a more risk free early game - when units are weaker and they cannot destroy buildings, to an easier closure of endgame where the upgraded army can go into someone's base and wipe them out in a minute (marine or zergling upgrades)
4. It allows for different interactions in different times of the game - in BW early zerglings beat zealots, but +1 zealots 2 shot zerglings so completely turns it arround. Same is the situation with Archons - +3 archons melt zerglings and they become irrelevant in lategame ZvP. These timing can be used to delay the usefulness of a unit or completely change the interactions.
5. It allows early game units to be able to fight higher tier units if their upgrades are better - so more usefulness from early units.
6. It allows yet switches of army composition of same types of units - so every unit of your bio army is getting better, but you cannot immediately go to mech, so pushing into limitations.
There are so many good arguments for generic upgrades honestly :D
Adding two more -
It allows for different faction of the same type to have different endgames (Age of Empires where certain factions miss +3 on cavalery or archers, so they need a different strategy)
It allows for important targets for harrass other than workers - for example - sniping an ebay which was nearly finishing a +2/3 upgrades could be more impactful than killing a command center in certain situations
This faction is a bit too experimental for me. I'll probably play Vanguard until people figure out how they're supposed to fit into the big picture of the game. Really cool design, though.
If you've ever played BAR (Beyond All Reason), then the Celestial faction isn't that out there with how they play
I consider this game to be eBay/ wish version of sc2
That "okey dokey" threw me in for a loop at 4:03. Im like there's no way they put in a voice command from WC in here 💀
Pretty that was a twitch alert from Grubby
"I've seen Asmongold play RTS. That's how they do it. One hand." Lmao Around 8:20
is it just me or are their designs a bit all over the place? some are robots, some are alien looking and others look almost completely human.
I really enjoy the mechanics, but agree that Celestial design is scattered at the moment, that said, they still have placeholder units and buildings as well, so definitely work in progress. Also, considering that one of Frost Giant's income avenues will be purchasable skins, I'm sure we'll see a lot of different looks for all three factions.
I really wanted to like Stormgate but dang if the aesthetic don't put me off significantly. It's super plasticky like Starcraft 2 was but with less of a sci-fi twist.
Never enjoyed the sci-fi/fantasy fusion and it really limits each factions flavour when they're all half robot half fantasy half sci-fi.
I know that's the point, but idk, none of them feel very focused.
The entire game look weird. Demon looking more orcs, vanguard is the only one that looks normal, except most units looks like starting units
@@SirTatManTat no where close to SC2, sc2 design is so much better i think. But wil see how the game evolves
It's intended, some of them are biological beings that integrated nanotech into themselves, others are fully mechanical constructs that the former created.
Okay, this race is really cool. Like the vibe.
Would love to love this game. But the graphics just makes give me this hardcore mobile game vibe...it sucks =(
When he said this is a noob friendly race, I'm thinking, really.
My life for Aiur! 💪
With their bait and switch for their kickstarter moving the goalposts from "Finished Game" to "Finished Alpha" and trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that's the same and general scumminess around financing this I couldn't be less hyped.
yeah thats every new game
There is no “bait and switch” or “gaslighting”.
Neither of these two were cjains
The goal was Early Access release, that is coming.
That has never changed. They didn’t claim to have already finished the game lol
@@chokonma3420I mean not really given this is not even true lol
@@chokonma3420 not every new game.
Just decided to check up on SG (a noosphere moment), and what do I see? Roblox angels? And a paid release? Is SG going to be alive 2 weeks after the release though lmao?
- Adûnâi
The multiplayer is F2P.
Those are early access packs. According to the devs, the full game is free.
For how strongly the idea for Celestials is to be structure based, their structures are too fat to use during battle, like you place one and your army already doesnt fit around its range, is something i found. Hopefully fixed on release
I would really prefer more slick or slim artstyle for Celestials. We already have bulky units for Vanguard and Infernals.
I would really prefer more medieval look like diablo Angels than this 90s style plastic toys :P
I swear, it looks just like that with me, when I first played them 😂😂😂
"How to I build?"
Why do they have a creep system if there’s no Heroes in their RTS?
To avoid copyright strikes from blizzard. 😂
wasn't there an NDA until today evening?
Celestial art style is growing on me tbh
Grubby losing to Jr was lile TheViper getting SilverBoi medal on AoE2’s art of war tutorial mission!
Frost Giant seriously needs to work on those map tiles. Looks like pre-alpha StarCraft II. I mean like giant archon 3 templars pre-alpha, which is sad.
Of course they will.
And I'm still waiting for illuminati in helldivers
Terrans, protoss and horde from WC2, so unique
It's good to play it blind. This is how new players will play - being a pro player.
As a Warcraft 3 (Fantasy genre, hero focus instead of mass units) fan, Stormgate is just a no-go. Every Stormgate news is a painful reminder that despite all efforts, no real successor in style and philosophy and overall QUALITY of Warcraft 3 is currently in development, by no company on this planet. (Godsworn btw. is a prime example of a well intended game which in comparison to the 20+years older wc3 lacks quality on almost every level of comparison.)
20 years old or not, wc3 still had a full, dedicated dev team from one of the most successfull companies behind it. Godsworn is being developed by 2 people iirc. Not really a fair comparison imo 🙈
This game look like soulless starcraft with GFX from 2005..I expected a lot from this game and turn out to be a joke..Also i cant tell what are building and what are units for 3rd race is just to hard to differentiate..
Man all of the game looks, sounds and feels so generic and derivative. Like a weird amalgamation of SC2 and WC3 but with none of their unique and iconic designs. And gameplay wise I don’t see much , if any, innovation either.
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Damn awesome, creative race
Some are more immune to NDA than others... I think that's lame.
let's goooo, hope they get out of ea soon.
Somehow with each patch this game looks more and more like a mobile game. What are they doing?
Don't you like phones?
Ngl zero space looks better than this
@@theburden9920 Yeah but FrostGiant only had like $40M
agreed.. unfortunately..
They aren't far from anime cat girls though.
Is it just me or is the visual design of the units in this game just.. not very good? Nothing looks iconic or memorable.
You’re not wrong, in SC2 (and somewhat WC3) you can take the outline of a unit or building and most people even a little familiar with gameplay could reasonably recognize the game the out line is from, probably the race too.
It’s definitely something Frost Giant should pay attention to, and I think on some level they are. A few of their units do have that, notably the mech with the giant chain gun. Redesigns ware also some they are willing to do , take a look at the concept for the EXO redesign.
Yea nothing excites me like warcraft 3 or starcraft 1 did. Granted I was a kid but like, the music and designs of each faction were very unique, did not crossover with eachother and fired me up.
Like compare the amount of spunk in a terran start in sc1 with marines and workers and the music to this game. I know it's not done but come on, it feels lifeless.
Maybe because most unit designs are just ripped straight from starcraft and warcraft. And then they insist with this cartoony aesthetic.
@@pigzard01 you do realize that this is the people who MADE starcraft and warcraft. that's literally their art style. that's also why starcraft and warcraft are Themselves cartoony.
@mc.builder8267 Of course, I know that, which is why I expected them to have more original designs, not just a hodge podge of units that are too on the nose on what they're copied from.
This is absolutely brilliant! Love seeing fresh talent in the industry. Which college is this from?
Looks sick
I love how they ripped off protoss, Terrance and zero.
Terrans, protoss and zerg are ripoffs of imperium, Eldar and tyranids anyway
Yea, blizzard planned on a deal with GW to use those as their units but the deal fell through.
@@lincolnreinert1205 That's been proven to be false though. The similarities are uncanny, but there is no relation or inspiration between the two games.
Ugly, with no unique silhouettes. These are a nightmare to pick out in a pitch battle.
Ever play the game "Rise of Legends"?
So Protoss but not.
Mechanically not really, it has a lot of Terran, Zerg aspects but it’s in general quite new, it has elements of Grey Goo
this game is super ugly, boring, and lackluster
@@immko thats true!
go away blizzard bot
I hope they😮 move away from StarCraft at home approach.
Why the hell would I play this when I can just play starcraft 1 or 2?
Because this game has active developement. SC2 is only being ran by the community now with a balance patch every year or so. No new content. Frost giant is actively adding content to this game which feels like sc2
@@pknepps Stormgate will feel like a sc2 beta until maybe 2027. Their "active development" isn't expanding a game but creating it
The artwork iof this game is awful :(
I understand more and more why these people got sacked from Blizzard. Maybe the creators were the problem, while we blame the fall on the creators that were left behind.
I wish someone would bring Human Resources back from the dead. It looked so unique and fun. I want that RTS game, not this.
I really don't like the unit and sound design.
i really hate the art style
To me, sadly this game is too much Starcraft-like which is definitely not my kind of RTS game. Luckily AoE4 is still live but lacking this quality of life simplicity.
You could try our RTS Smelogs Playground its a lot more simplistic.
Props for the Pick of Destiny quote.
As for the race...It's too convoluted.
Honestly, the more of Stormgate I see, the less I care about the game. It just keeps getting worse with every update.
Thing is...NORMALLY, you learn a race through the lens of the campaign, which drops new mechanics and units on you one at a time which is not only not available right now, but as a F2P game, the campaign is not free...so the learning curve is going to be outrageous for anyone who doesn't plan to spend money here.
This race looks like The Eldar from Warhammer mixed with a failed geometry test. The way it appears to play...just, please. Just delete this from the game, my god.
Visually they look like toys. (I mean toys for kids, wargame miniatures are much better)
Gameplay wise they are overloaded with mechanics, but nothing is cool or impactful.
If you want to get new players into your game you need some cool things in it: Visual style, lore, original ideas, interesting gameplay elements.
Looks too safe and generic for me.
Visually they look like the AI art I see in Discord when you type "bland space angel with zoomer aesthetic."
@@whatdothlife4660 They lack both quality and visual integrity.
There are better 50$ models in the asset stores. Some of them are with animations included.
The visual style is a nightmare. There are dragons, dogs, demons, tanks, guys with spears, and now space angels.
Dragons aren't big and epic, demons aren't scary or disgusting, tanks don't make loud and big explosions.
Space angels aren't transcendent or majestic, just plastic. And they fight dogs and guys with spears.
Ok, you want to make space angels. Do something interesting. Like big golden guys in gothic cathedral stylized battleships (oops it's just space marines). Or creepy and uncanny metal death machines with halos and wings. Or non-material entities that use quaint exo suits to do some physical things and swap them freely.
And you have to think how different factions will look at the battlefield together. No dogs vs plastic angels, please.
because that is what they got from warcraft 3 reforged but they not realize they are making new game.
i really want this game to succeed, but to be honest faction design is terrible
Your brother's ten times better than you, Jesus loves him more
Dio can you hear me I am lost and so alone?
@@GrubbyPlays I hear you brave young Jaybles you are hungry for the rock
This conversation must be weird as hell for people who don't get the reference, lol.
Holy moly thats an ugly looking faction, who approve these designs I wonder
LOOOOL this game looks fkin terrible.
is the SC II Reskin Project? i love RTS but this is basicly almost sc2 uglier reskin, no originality at all, its like theyre idea cant move on from SC2
I kinda agree, but it's a start, they can improve and add stuff in it over time. I see it like a sc2 copy that can still improve and have new ideas implemented, which could be good, who knows.
This game looks like crap.
So many backseat devs in chat and comments ☠️
this game will flop so hard D:
If youre listening devs, please make a mechanism for players to control the creeps in creep camps. Nobody wants to watch AI units in a competitive 1v1 game. Its outdated and spectator unfriendly.
Making there no barrier to map objectives is far worse because then you get silly races between fast units to gain control of the various resources, and goose chases between scvs and zerglings are boring for players and spectators.
Just decided to check up on SG (a noosphere moment), and what do I see? Roblox angels? And a paid release? Is SG going to be alive 2 weeks after the release though lmao?
- Adûnâi
The release is not paid, everything offered is cosmetic or were already declared to cost money the day the game was announced