Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do
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- My husband and his instructor did equivalent rank forms. Strong Foot (in the white) is doing Pyung Ahn E Dan in Tang Soo Do and Swift Foot (in the red) is doing Wan Yo in Tae Kwon Do. Both arts are from Korea but they are so different from each other. Tang Soo Do even takes longer from White belt to 1st Dan!
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Nice contrast! I rarely see this sort of demonstration.
I had to watch this three times to get a feel for a personal preference. I give a slight edge to the Tae Kwon Do routine, largely due to the difference in moves between the 0:30 and 0:40 time span. To my eyes, in this part of the routine the TKD style was a bit more fluid and versatile.
The TKD practitioner seemed more agile and fluid, though the Tang Soo Do artist appeared to display greater power. That could be due to natural differences in the physiology and psychological makeup of the two men, but might also be at least in part a product of their training. The names "Strong Foot" and "Swift Foot" do seem to apply here. :-)
Thanks for posting this. I am trying to select a martial art and I found this very helpful.
tang soo do is my life💘.
So true, Tang Soo!
Ναντια Evans sameeee
Me 2
In white gi, it's really look like Kyokushin ^^
Tang Soo do is something I do, it is indeed elegant, but it is hard to master. You do unique moves, like a Dragon kick, or a tornado Kick. My master, is a 5th Degree Black Belt in her job. She is very helpful! I go with Tang Soo Do, with you.
Skyler Aerts I do tang soo do aswell
Kristie Goss
Me too. I'm just a beginner though.
Thank you for your thoughts!
I agree with Tigerpaws the juxtaposition is rare and in this demonstration pleasant to watch.
As a 3rd Dan in TSD I must admit my bias with Pyung Ahn Ee Dan. I find the north-south asymmetric choreography more interesting to watch.
Quick question are the two practitioners, strong foot and swift foot, equally ranked?
Either way, I am impressed with swift foot's side kicks.
Thanks for the upload
and Good Luck in your training!
+logan3554 They are not, were not at the time of this video. Swift foot was a 2nd Dan in TKD and Strong Foot was a high purple in TKD but had been a 4th gup in TSD many years ago.
The Tang Soo Do - ga in white has a good Dwit-gubi stance. Basic is all about in martial arts.
tang soo do
Neither of those are Taekwon-Do.
Albert Labossiere Okay, based on what knowledge pool? The TKD form is ITF TKD. The man in white is doing a Tang Soo Do form.
Based on the Encyclopedia of Taekwon-Do, and the teachings of General Choi, which are readily available. Beginning from the ready posture - Close Ready Stance A - in which the knees are not supposed to be bent, to the last movement - Middle, Forearm, Guarding Block - which is incorrect in its execution and final geometry the entire performance includes an extensive list of violations of the 9 Training Secrets of Taekwon-Do. So while it includes the correct number of movements, and they have a general resemblance to the prescribed techniques for Won-Hyo, it strays so far from General Choi's teaching as to not really qualify as Taekwon-Do. Essentially, it is a Taekwon-Do Tul (form) performed in a non Taekwon-Do fashion.
I'm not trying to be mean, but you asked.
ITF and WTF are 2 different kinds of TKD. They are both based on the same movements but have changed over the years, as there were different objectives in mind. There are also many schools of TSD and Karate. None of the schools are wrong, they're all just slightly different and I won't argue about whose style/school is superior or right or wrong. Tang Soo Do, what my husband in white is doing, is Tae Kwon Do influenced heavily by Japanese Karate. So people often think he's doing either a bastardized form of TKD or Karate. He's been to an ITF school, a WTF school, Tang Soo Do and now he's doing Karate.
Given the references that I used in my response, it should be evident that I know the difference between the ITF and WTF. Moreover, this is not about minor differences between schools this is about corrupting one style with another. I respect all styles but not, for example, what the person in Red is doing by performing an ITF pattern while disregarding fundamental ITF technical elements in EVERY single movement from the very first to the very last one.
My point is that if you do an ITF pattern, do it in the ITF style; if you want to do things in the WTF style then do WTF patterns. As a 20 year ITF practitioner I would not have the audacity to perform WTF Poomsae using ITF Taekwon-Do movement strategies. It would be wrong and I can just imagine the chorus of criticism I'd hear from the WTF community, and rightly so.
To use an analogy; people through the world drive motorized vehicles on public road ways. Some on the left others on the right side of the road. Assuming you're from a country that drives on the right and you go to a country that drives on the left, can you just say "In my country we drive on the right side so that what I'm going to do here, it's still driving it's not wrong, it's just the style we use where I'm from." ... see how that works out for you!
While I understand what you are saying. He's a Second Dan in Tae Kwon Do. You can pick his movements apart all you'd like and say that what he's doing isn't how you were taught....but then you'd be proving my point. He was taught a different style of TKD with ITF as the base. He also taught some WTF forms. Whether you like it or not not everyone is a purist. Not everyone is taught pure General Choi TKD. And good thing too. I recently saw and heard Grand Master Kim speaking about roots are important, a base is important but that people also need to put themselves into their movements. My husband has his Dan in ITF TKD but his body moves slightly differently from the TSD influence first. Grand Master Kim told him his movements were fine. From a GM Purist. Also, you missed the entire point of this video which was to SIMPLY show the difference between the two Korean martial arts. You've made your point, so hush now.
Watched the right one:
Movements too stocking and also too fluent. Means that he does the techniques fast but not as powerful as they could be because he uses his strentgh in a not efficient way.
His stances aren't good either. They seem to be more of an alibi stance.
The up and down of his body while he walks wastes energy as well.
Watch his hollow back. That shouldn't be there.
And yes i'm nagging and nagging but look at the date. He is probably better by now. And that's what counts.
DerMensch NR5 yeah, I get it! Neither of them were particularly into this, they'd just finished a very hard class and were tired. Even still they were a little sloppy. But the point of the video was just to show the two Korean forms and how they differ due to Japanese influence! Thanks for "nagging" politely, it can be useful!
DerMensch NR5 There are newer videos of Strong foot on my page. The white uniform.
I like the idea but both of these people have terrible technique. I'm an 11 year (3rd Dan) practitioner of Tang Soon Do and this is something we need to stop showing. If the technique is garbage, don't put it out there. The guy doing TSD isn't driving power from his hips enough, his center bobs up and down too much, the stance is terribly high, the spirit breath is quiet, there is over rotation and dramatic action added to his movements that would be easy tells in a combat situation. TSD is a hard style and should be trained as such. Forms = Composed combat, all developed by people who used these techniques in battle. Also, this concept of stolen forms is absurd. All martial arts are connected and should be shared with other martial artists who take it seriously. The flow from one technique to another, power of each technique, and the amount of spirit and time you give to your practice is important. My instructors also trained in Judo and Kyokushin throughout their lives. We learned lessons that came from them. The terrible thing that is happening now is watered down martial arts & this concept that MMA is some high evolution of martial arts. Tang Soo Do and other martial arts are not sports or fitness classes, they are a lifestyle.
Understood but for the record: The gentleman doing the Tae kwon do is a 2nd Dan and very good at it. Also, the gentleman doing Tang Soo Do has had a combined total of 7 years martial arts experience. At this point in his martial arts journey he'd been away from TSD for several years and had picked up a slight sign wave from the TKD, as well as the shoulders for power, rather than the hips. This wasn't an exercise in perfect technique, this was simply to show the differences between the two Korean styles, that while they evolved in the same place, they are very different, even at the same "belt level." I am fascinated by martial arts, all kinds of martial arts. I agree with you that MMA is rather shit. It's polluted and violent. I also agree that any of the base martial arts styles are a lifestyle and not just a work out. And I see where you are coming from as an outside observer looking in on some random persons youtube video but there is an entire history and backstory to my husbands martial arts journey. As a 3rd Dan, with 11 years of experience in one of the hardest-to-master martial arts styles, I would think you'd be a little less judgemental and realize that martial arts journeys are unique to everyone. See also: I'd surprised both to these gentleman with my request for comparative forms.
Terrible? Garbage? There is always room for improvement, but our instructors would never talk to us that way unless there was a lack of effort or dedication, and I see no sign of this here. This kind of commentary is more reminiscent of Cobra Kai than Tang Soo Do.
Alex Gracey , Tang Soo! 💪🏼 kamsamnida!
Alex Gracey
Yes, finally I'm not the only one saying it.
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I have trained under Master Penfil, and Mike Birch for many years.
The Bent Spoon
Even if it's not an exercise in perfect technique, they should have represented themselves, their school and their style with something that looked way better than than that, because seeing that, I wouldn't want to train at their school.
And if they used good, powerful,
sharp, technique you could compare the differences a lot better.
That's how it should be performed every time.
They were sloppy.
Tang Soo Do is a hard style, traditional battle field stuff.