Loyd, thanks for this review. I have 50 miles on my Tomir 2.0s and they are a big improvement over the respectable 1.0, which I used in the last 66 miles of a 200-mile ultra in November 2022. In both cases, it helped to swap out the footbeds and insert the Inov-8 Boomerang insoles as the midsole is a bit firm for me. However, the 2.0 is well worth buying even without the Boomerangs. It is a great all-arounder. More than that, the design keeps your foot cradled low in the platform for outstanding control in difficult technical terrain here in the Colorado Rockies. Definitely a welcome addition to my rotation!
Thanks for your detailed comment. I tried the kjerag and tomir 1.0 yesterday but whilst definitely preferring the tomir in terms of speed and midsole, I felt the shoe was too cumbersome for technical descents. How does the 2.0 compare, is it any lighter/more nimble
@@lisoushealthfoodandfitness I'm not Troy but if Tomir 1.0 felt cumbersome the 2.0 will. They got a little heavier, midsole gained bounce over the 1.0 though. I use Tomir for slower runs and Kjerag for all my races so far
@@lisoushealthfoodandfitness same platform and weight but with slightly more midsole foam, and of course the foam is better. But the Kjerag is more nimble and, ironically, I think more comfortable on technical terrain. Keep in mind that I dislike the Speedgoat because to me it’s overbuilt. The Tomir 2.0 is more nimble than the Speedgoat, but firmer. Personally my dream is a Kjerag with about 5 mm of additional foam underneath.
I absolutely adore my Tomir 1.0. Mine have over 800k on them and they are doing exceptionally well. It's not an exciting shoe, but it offers an immense amount of grip in a no-nonsense and comfortable way. My Nnormals took about 50k to start softening up. The materials used really need some abuse but once the shoe is broken in it's just fantastic.
My tomir 1.0 are still going strong at about 1000kms. I have taken them through everything. They look tattered but I estimate they have another 200km in them. I wouldn’t use them on anything longer than 40-50k anymore. And that only on soggy and soft conditions.
Interesting that you say they feel slightly small. I have only ever seen people say to size them down half a size, or go down if you're between sizes. I got mine a few days ago and after two runs, I found that to be spot on for myself too. I've seen others say they do take a while for the foam to settle in.
Good review Lloyd! I just picked up my 1st pair and took them straight out for go at the George Fisher Espresso Round in the Lakes. After 2 years in the Xodus Ultra I wasn't sure I would like anything as much. I much prefer them...at least at 13 miles. The sole is arguably the best I've ever run in. Not too gnarly for the road transitions, but very good on those Lake District Mountains scrambles and bogs. I did have the opposite impression on the sizing though. I usually go for 10's in the Xodus Ultra, but sized down to 9.5 in these. In fact I may even go down a further 1/2 size as i had some movement on the very steep descents. Overall, very impressed.
We’re certainly living in the golden age of trail running shoes! I think for a new trail company (Even if it’s Killian) it’s priced high it’s competing with established brands Hoka Salomon Nike etc it’s got to be special and stand out! Nice opening monologue 👍
Thanks Loyd, for the great review. I've just had a bad experience with Salomon Ultra-glide 2, after just 5 months they're completely trashed, outsole lugs worn and upper is tearing from the midsole, Salomon is refunding the purchase price. I've watched both your Inov-8 Trailfly and Tomir 2.0 reviews, I'm inclining towards the Trailfly, especially after seeing Liga run the CCC in a pair. After running in both, what would be your call? Outsole durability is key for me, as the trails around Prague are often hard packed or rocky.
Great review. I've got the kjerags and they're great but a little narrow for me meaning they are just for half marathon distances. The midsole definitely gets softer after a few miles. Loyd in your reviews could you mention how well the shoes drain as it's a big part in how I choose shoes.
Kjerag needs 1) a fully-gusseted tongue, 2) widening of the upper across the metatarsal heads (any swelling leads to compression of the joints and pain)
i have recently started running in these. Took a long time to find a new trail shoe that i felt comfy in and was rock solid on trails. Trail is my main discipline and peaks and lakes are my playground. It was either these or VJ Maxx 2. My previous trainers were speedgoat 4's and 5's although the 5's were not very good for me. I like to get around 350-400 miles from a pair (heavy runner 95+kg). So far they have been excellent. A freind has the Tamir 1 and is over 1000km in them.
Nice one mate. Similar thoughts myself. I prefer the fit of the Tomir 1.0 for my foot shape as it is wider in the midfoot. The traction from the Vibram Litebase carries over well from the 1 to the 2 and the upper fabric is very similar. No issues myself on length, but that is personal. With regards to the firm cushioning, I think it suits a technical 50k race. The shoes performs well in these conditions, but for a longer effort, I think softer cushioning is needed.
Interesting review Loyd, thank you. This is the shoe I absolutely wanted to love but I just tried it on vs. the La Sportiva Prodigio and ended up going for the latter. They felt a little clunky and even in the shop I seemed to move around in the shoe a lot, although the length was fine. Seemed to slip forward on the incline testing thing they have in hiking shops, if you know what I mean. Disappointed as I do think that outsole is the best on the market right now for a does everything option in the UK - something about the lug pattern and the Megagrip Litebase seems to just be in the sweet spot. Maybe I'll wait for them to drop in price and give them another go.
The first version ran a little long in length ... which I was fine with .. especially for long distance. After an initial 5 mile test run, I ran a trail marathon in mine with zero problems whatsoever.
I’m surprised you haven’t reviewed the kjerag yet. I do like them but they’re a bit narrow in the toe (as you’d expect from a former Salomon athlete!) and could do with a slightly deeper lug
Very tempted to get a pair. They look great and with the improvements from 1.0, is a solid shoe for different type of conditions. They should last very looong :)
Will be interesting to see how the midsole holds up in the 2.0. I had a pair of the 1.0 that I loved but the midsole collapsed inwards after about 300km.
Thanks for the review. They were supposed to be my go to shoe next to buy. But the North Face Vective Enduris 3 were for 55€, great shoe for a grater price
I'm about 300km in with Tomir 2.0. They get better with every km added. Only issue I have with them, I got hot inside. Maybe it's just me. Overall- great shoes.
I used the 1.0 for Canyons 100 mile and had to retie them multiple times. Love the fit, (for the 1.0 I sized down 1/2) Midsole isn't super cushy. I went with your fav the xodus ultra for Cool Moon 100 and they were perfect for babying my Achilles.
I personally call the Tomir (1.0) a tractor and the Kjerag (1.0) a Ferrari - both with good traction. I’ve heard that the shoelaces have been improved in v2 as they are really slippery in v1. I went half-size down in my Kjerag(s) and true to size in Tomir although probably could manage with half size down with those also. I really need to get my hands on a pair of Tomir v2
Ran 6 miles in my new pair today, felt a bit stiff even though they fit well. Swapped to my Hoka Mafate for rest of run. Hope Tomir get softer over time
I am someone who pretty much has rips in every kind of trail shoe up untill now, sometimes even at 150K so i'm wondering if this would be a better option for me in terms of durability?
How does the fit compare to Kjerag? The Tomir 1 was too tight in the toebox for me. Kjerag is perfect. As for this review: "I need to go a 1/2 size up" means virtually nothing. Compared to which brand(s) if not any particular shoe?
Nnormal shoes need some km/miles to soften. Then they become more and more comfortable. Kjerag owner here, at first those were quite hard, now it’s like running on clouds.
I’ve run 800km on my Kjerags and I’m really disappointed.They still look like new,how am I supposed to buy new pair of shoes when they look like new 😂😂
The Tomir 2.0 perform good on my wide feet. Ok, it's not a wide shoe but works. First run 15k in the forrest. Second run 20k Rocky and muddy in the forrest. No problems. Actually i sized down halv size. They need miles to break them in. It's not a soft midsole, hope getting softer after a few more runs. But the outsole is just awesome.
Great review, thanks. Interesting shoe I didn't know about. I would have really appreciated fading out the music during your initial introductory talk and description of the shoe. A bit distracting and annoying 😊
I’m a uk9.5 in most of my running shoes a part from Inov8’s and New Balance shoes. The TOMIR 2.0 definitely feels a bit short in a uk9.5 if I was going to run longer distances in them 🤔
They have sizing issues! At conversational pace brett outlined he only knows people who had to size down. I don't ever have to size up (except for the Salomon Genesis), for this shoe I do..
I'm puzzled. I've gone through 4 pairs of the original and this v2.0 is more refined in many ways. The mid sole of the v2.0 doesn't feel hard to me at all (where as some of your past favorites felt hard to me, like the Exodus) & I've never had any issues with the laces.. Also having the wrong size is hardly the fault of the shoe, yet you kept going on about it. I love the build ethos/quality, something NNormal should be commended for.. I must admit, I've lost some confidence in your reviews after watching this. Your observations don't make any sense to me.
I’m not sure why you’ve lost confidence in my reviews after this video? Obviously running shoes are super personal to each individual and your experience of a shoe can be different to mine. I actually said in the review that the shoe being the wrong size for me was not a shoe issue, I said those exact words in the video?Unfortunately I did have an issue with the laces working loose and I had to stop and re-tie them, that’s just what happened so I mentioned it in the review. As far as the midsole cushioning goes, I’ve had a lot of messages from other viewers saying that they found them quite firm as well, so it’s definitely not just me. Like I also mentioned in the video, they might just need to bed in and soften up! What I am concerned about is the fact I’ve had several viewers reaching out and complaining about the durability of the original TOMIR. They’ve all had the same issue with the midsole collapsing on the medial side and they’ve even sent me pictures and they didn’t look good? If you’ve gone through 4 pairs of the original TOMIR, how many miles have you got out of each pair?
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Loyd, thanks for this review. I have 50 miles on my Tomir 2.0s and they are a big improvement over the respectable 1.0, which I used in the last 66 miles of a 200-mile ultra in November 2022. In both cases, it helped to swap out the footbeds and insert the Inov-8 Boomerang insoles as the midsole is a bit firm for me. However, the 2.0 is well worth buying even without the Boomerangs. It is a great all-arounder. More than that, the design keeps your foot cradled low in the platform for outstanding control in difficult technical terrain here in the Colorado Rockies. Definitely a welcome addition to my rotation!
Thanks for your detailed comment. I tried the kjerag and tomir 1.0 yesterday but whilst definitely preferring the tomir in terms of speed and midsole, I felt the shoe was too cumbersome for technical descents. How does the 2.0 compare, is it any lighter/more nimble
Did you size up or TTS? For the Kjerag I had to size down 1/2 (so same size as in S-Lab Genesis)
@@lisoushealthfoodandfitness I'm not Troy but if Tomir 1.0 felt cumbersome the 2.0 will. They got a little heavier, midsole gained bounce over the 1.0 though. I use Tomir for slower runs and Kjerag for all my races so far
@@rmsrmsrmsrms Tomir 2.0 is true to size. I wouldn’t size up but it lower-volume than the 1.0.
@@lisoushealthfoodandfitness same platform and weight but with slightly more midsole foam, and of course the foam is better. But the Kjerag is more nimble and, ironically, I think more comfortable on technical terrain. Keep in mind that I dislike the Speedgoat because to me it’s overbuilt. The Tomir 2.0 is more nimble than the Speedgoat, but firmer. Personally my dream is a Kjerag with about 5 mm of additional foam underneath.
I absolutely adore my Tomir 1.0. Mine have over 800k on them and they are doing exceptionally well. It's not an exciting shoe, but it offers an immense amount of grip in a no-nonsense and comfortable way. My Nnormals took about 50k to start softening up. The materials used really need some abuse but once the shoe is broken in it's just fantastic.
Well said!
I have some of these. The grip is fantastic. The midsole foam gets softer in time. I would love the outsole of this stuck onto a saucony exodus ultra.
My tomir 1.0 are still going strong at about 1000kms. I have taken them through everything. They look tattered but I estimate they have another 200km in them. I wouldn’t use them on anything longer than 40-50k anymore. And that only on soggy and soft conditions.
Interesting that you say they feel slightly small. I have only ever seen people say to size them down half a size, or go down if you're between sizes. I got mine a few days ago and after two runs, I found that to be spot on for myself too.
I've seen others say they do take a while for the foam to settle in.
Good review Lloyd! I just picked up my 1st pair and took them straight out for go at the George Fisher Espresso Round in the Lakes. After 2 years in the Xodus Ultra I wasn't sure I would like anything as much. I much prefer them...at least at 13 miles. The sole is arguably the best I've ever run in. Not too gnarly for the road transitions, but very good on those Lake District Mountains scrambles and bogs.
I did have the opposite impression on the sizing though. I usually go for 10's in the Xodus Ultra, but sized down to 9.5 in these. In fact I may even go down a further 1/2 size as i had some movement on the very steep descents.
Overall, very impressed.
We’re certainly living in the golden age of trail running shoes! I think for a new trail company (Even if it’s Killian) it’s priced high it’s competing with established brands Hoka Salomon Nike etc it’s got to be special and stand out! Nice opening monologue 👍
Thanks Loyd, for the great review. I've just had a bad experience with Salomon Ultra-glide 2, after just 5 months they're completely trashed, outsole lugs worn and upper is tearing from the midsole, Salomon is refunding the purchase price. I've watched both your Inov-8 Trailfly and Tomir 2.0 reviews, I'm inclining towards the Trailfly, especially after seeing Liga run the CCC in a pair. After running in both, what would be your call? Outsole durability is key for me, as the trails around Prague are often hard packed or rocky.
Great review. I've got the kjerags and they're great but a little narrow for me meaning they are just for half marathon distances. The midsole definitely gets softer after a few miles. Loyd in your reviews could you mention how well the shoes drain as it's a big part in how I choose shoes.
Kjerag needs 1) a fully-gusseted tongue, 2) widening of the upper across the metatarsal heads (any swelling leads to compression of the joints and pain)
Please do the Kjerag next!
You should try the new VJ MAXX 2. They are really good. Just go a half size down.
Very interested in these
i have recently started running in these. Took a long time to find a new trail shoe that i felt comfy in and was rock solid on trails. Trail is my main discipline and peaks and lakes are my playground. It was either these or VJ Maxx 2. My previous trainers were speedgoat 4's and 5's although the 5's were not very good for me. I like to get around 350-400 miles from a pair (heavy runner 95+kg). So far they have been excellent. A freind has the Tamir 1 and is over 1000km in them.
Nice one mate. Similar thoughts myself. I prefer the fit of the Tomir 1.0 for my foot shape as it is wider in the midfoot. The traction from the Vibram Litebase carries over well from the 1 to the 2 and the upper fabric is very similar. No issues myself on length, but that is personal. With regards to the firm cushioning, I think it suits a technical 50k race. The shoes performs well in these conditions, but for a longer effort, I think softer cushioning is needed.
Interesting review Loyd, thank you. This is the shoe I absolutely wanted to love but I just tried it on vs. the La Sportiva Prodigio and ended up going for the latter. They felt a little clunky and even in the shop I seemed to move around in the shoe a lot, although the length was fine. Seemed to slip forward on the incline testing thing they have in hiking shops, if you know what I mean. Disappointed as I do think that outsole is the best on the market right now for a does everything option in the UK - something about the lug pattern and the Megagrip Litebase seems to just be in the sweet spot. Maybe I'll wait for them to drop in price and give them another go.
Great compilation about Killian and interesting personal review. Lyod in which shoes will you run your 100 mile race?
It's definitely a road shoes type of race
The first version ran a little long in length ... which I was fine with .. especially for long distance. After an initial 5 mile test run, I ran a trail marathon in mine with zero problems whatsoever.
I’m surprised you haven’t reviewed the kjerag yet. I do like them but they’re a bit narrow in the toe (as you’d expect from a former Salomon athlete!) and could do with a slightly deeper lug
Good to see a review. See you at the start line of SDW100. Good lick with it, definitely won't be muddy there. Going to pretty hot too
Very tempted to get a pair. They look great and with the improvements from 1.0, is a solid shoe for different type of conditions. They should last very looong :)
Will be interesting to see how the midsole holds up in the 2.0. I had a pair of the 1.0 that I loved but the midsole collapsed inwards after about 300km.
Really like mine. Enjoyed the Kjerag as well. Are you going to get a bigger size?
Thanks for the review. They were supposed to be my go to shoe next to buy. But the North Face Vective Enduris 3 were for 55€, great shoe for a grater price
Have a great race at the south downs 100, I'm confident you'll smash it. Looking forward to your race coverage aswel 💚
Thanks for the amazing review!! Please review Kjerag!!
I'm about 300km in with Tomir 2.0. They get better with every km added. Only issue I have with them, I got hot inside. Maybe it's just me. Overall- great shoes.
That’s good to hear, glad you’re enjoying them and thanks for watching 🙏🙂
If they do a hybrid of the Tomir and the Kjerag, would it be called the Toe-rag? See you on the SDW next week Loyd!
That’s funny 😂😂😂
See you at the SDW 100 👍
Hi Loyd great review 😀If we compare with Merrell AGP 5 better or?😁For me AG 5 is incredible shoe for all terrain, I bought because of your review 😀
I’d go for the AGP 5 every time! I’m glad you’re enjoying yours and thanks for watching 🙏🙂
Thanks for the review Loyd!
No problem 🙂
I used the 1.0 for Canyons 100 mile and had to retie them multiple times. Love the fit, (for the 1.0 I sized down 1/2)
Midsole isn't super cushy.
I went with your fav the xodus ultra for Cool Moon 100 and they were perfect for babying my Achilles.
As always loyd! Thank you! What a review
I personally call the Tomir (1.0) a tractor and the Kjerag (1.0) a Ferrari - both with good traction.
I’ve heard that the shoelaces have been improved in v2 as they are really slippery in v1.
I went half-size down in my Kjerag(s) and true to size in Tomir although probably could manage with half size down with those also.
I really need to get my hands on a pair of Tomir v2
Ran 6 miles in my new pair today, felt a bit stiff even though they fit well. Swapped to my Hoka Mafate for rest of run. Hope Tomir get softer over time
I bet its always tricky to do an early review as those kind of shoes need a bit of miles to soften up on the midsole. The outsole looks magnificent
Dude, great coverage of Killian early days
what budget trainer would you advice for a first time runner seeing if i enjoy joggin
Norda 001 of course 😀😀
I am someone who pretty much has rips in every kind of trail shoe up untill now, sometimes even at 150K so i'm wondering if this would be a better option for me in terms of durability?
I guarantee you that you will not rip this one.
Are they comparable with ultra glide 2 from Salomon? How would you compare the two?
I’d say the Salomons have a much softer midsole cushioning. The TOMIR 2.0 felt quite firm on the first run 👍
I’ve always wanted to try a nnormal shoe! But it’s always a mixed bag when it comes to reviews! 🤔
Good morning. Like to Run4adventure. A nice weekend for everyone.
How wide is the toe box, I have wide fore feet, I currently have to use topo because of the wide toe box,
I’d say the width is average in the toe box, definitely not as wide as a Topo shoe 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
can you make review of the north face vectiv infinite 2? thx
They appear to be a bit on the narrow side, like they would squeeze your toes, especially on a long down hill.
The toe box is quite narrow but it really depends on the width of your foot. For me it wasn’t an issue but I do wish I’d gone up half a size 👍
How does the fit compare to Kjerag? The Tomir 1 was too tight in the toebox for me. Kjerag is perfect.
As for this review: "I need to go a 1/2 size up" means virtually nothing. Compared to which brand(s) if not any particular shoe?
Are you sure that's the spanish pronunciation of "Jornet"? Clue: the T is not silent
Catalan!
Nnormal shoes need some km/miles to soften. Then they become more and more comfortable. Kjerag owner here, at first those were quite hard, now it’s like running on clouds.
I thought that might be the case 👍
That boat looks so weird. It seems like it’s base out of reinforced cement !
Like your fitting socks 😂
Cheers 😁
I’ve run 800km on my Kjerags and I’m really disappointed.They still look like new,how am I supposed to buy new pair of shoes when they look like new 😂😂
Soft n bouncy mid soles….great out the box…but never lasts more than a few good runs.
Perhaps this firmer midsole will perform better in the long run
Hopefully Mark but it doesn’t feel soft and bouncy yet? 🤔
The Tomir 2.0 perform good on my wide feet. Ok, it's not a wide shoe but works. First run 15k in the forrest. Second run 20k Rocky and muddy in the forrest. No problems. Actually i sized down halv size. They need miles to break them in. It's not a soft midsole, hope getting softer after a few more runs. But the outsole is just awesome.
8 Mil? I'm out. Thanks for the video my Running Brother!!!
Agreed. Shame most shoes don’t have a zero option
What is your size in uk for norda 001?
I ran in a uk9.5 in the Norda 001 👍
@@Run4Adventure so u suggest uk10 for more comfort in the tomir 2.0?
@@MonsterHunter0000 I would go up to a uk10, the uk9.5 was a bit tight 👍
Lloyd - Great review. Love those socks. Where do I find them?
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video! 👍 The socks are from a company called Stance 😁
@@Run4Adventure Thanks!
Great review, thanks. Interesting shoe I didn't know about.
I would have really appreciated fading out the music during your initial introductory talk and description of the shoe. A bit distracting and annoying 😊
First person I hear saying these run small, I had to get half a size less.
I’m a uk9.5 in most of my running shoes a part from Inov8’s and New Balance shoes. The TOMIR 2.0 definitely feels a bit short in a uk9.5 if I was going to run longer distances in them 🤔
@Run4Adventure I had the opposite experience, I usually wear 29.5 cms and had to get 29cm for These
They have sizing issues!
At conversational pace brett outlined he only knows people who had to size down.
I don't ever have to size up (except for the Salomon Genesis), for this shoe I do..
What in us for 29cm for tomir 2?@@killac45
I wish this was foot shaped like altra
I'm puzzled. I've gone through 4 pairs of the original and this v2.0 is more refined in many ways. The mid sole of the v2.0 doesn't feel hard to me at all (where as some of your past favorites felt hard to me, like the Exodus) & I've never had any issues with the laces.. Also having the wrong size is hardly the fault of the shoe, yet you kept going on about it. I love the build ethos/quality, something NNormal should be commended for.. I must admit, I've lost some confidence in your reviews after watching this. Your observations don't make any sense to me.
I’m not sure why you’ve lost confidence in my reviews after this video? Obviously running shoes are super personal to each individual and your experience of a shoe can be different to mine. I actually said in the review that the shoe being the wrong size for me was not a shoe issue, I said those exact words in the video?Unfortunately I did have an issue with the laces working loose and I had to stop and re-tie them, that’s just what happened so I mentioned it in the review. As far as the midsole cushioning goes, I’ve had a lot of messages from other viewers saying that they found them quite firm as well, so it’s definitely not just me. Like I also mentioned in the video, they might just need to bed in and soften up! What I am concerned about is the fact I’ve had several viewers reaching out and complaining about the durability of the original TOMIR. They’ve all had the same issue with the midsole collapsing on the medial side and they’ve even sent me pictures and they didn’t look good? If you’ve gone through 4 pairs of the original TOMIR, how many miles have you got out of each pair?
Four pairs! How many kilometres do you do?
Awful shoe, there's so many better options out there...
Have you run in the new TOMIR 2 and if so what didn’t you like about it? 🤔
So many complaints about heel hold but well, people still love it... without the name it would be trashed.