I think it'll be a bit before that's doable at least if you want to travel any significant distance. Campers are HEAVY and would have a rather limited range. You can't just keep adding batteries as past a certain point your weight offsets any gain in capacity. Check out Car And Driver's review on the F-150 lightning. They estimate an under 100 mile range if towing at maximum.
I love what Arrival are doing, hopefully they'll be the disrupters that the commercial vehicle industry needs. There's always been something about that van that was retro & yet modern. I could never quite put my finger on what it was. Then it struck me recently. I'm old enough to remember growing up in the countryside when grocery & butchers vans were the norm. No noe went to the supermarket, the shop came to you. The design of those old vans was quite like this, high roof, sliding doors, square sides etc. All of this makes perfect sense. I'm in my 60's I'm now back living where I grew up. What we've seen since covid came along is a renewed interest in local fresh food. Imagine one of these, carrying locally produced provenance food, travelling round, serving local communities? How awesome would that be?
This just replaced the Mercedes Benz Sprinter for being my favourite van. It’s use of space is so efficient and so charismatic. I cannot wait to see this as a loungebus or camper-van use!!! ;)
When I first saw the Alpha design a couple of years back on Fully Charged I was knocked out, it was fantastic and set to become iconic. When I first glimpsed the Beta iteration I thought I was looking at a 1980's concept mockup of a mk3 Transit - you've added way too much salt to the secret sauce.
Actually I believe it was only 1 year ago that Fully Charged showed it. But yeah, they’ve done waaaay to much to this. Their brains must’ve defaulted to what we all know the most in terms of standard designs. This is a big shame. I’m betting there’s a more logical explanation though as to why they’ve gone and done this ‘that they done want to admit’ to the public. Reeeeally hope they go back to the Alpha design again. I definitely wouldn’t buy the Beta now.
Yup the original was a better urban concept, albeit power consumption would be improved with a raked screen. The original looked similar to the electric delivery truck design I propsed in my final year engineering degree in 1976!
I usually make a point not to judge when designs change because I know that it’s very likely that it’ll grow on me in the end. But I did struggle to get on board with the beta design of the van. And of course it’s grown on me now :) Can’t wait to see these (and the bus) out in the real world.
vans and specially buses is smart move, because cities and countries have taken decision to become emission free and they have the money to make bigger orders. Proud shareholder. Greetings from Finland!
I really appreciate the effort you're all putting into this sector of vehicles, making them easier to use and better for the world we live in too. Great work. But I do have to say, the Alpha looks WAAAY nicer than the Beta, the Alpha shape was what stopped me in my tracks, I would love to use that a personal vehicle. The Beta looks like most other vans, more dated and seems to lack the designer look. Just my opinion of course, you guys keep up the great work and stay safe :)
I have a small delivery company & drive a 3.5t truck. I absolutely LOVE the Alpha design. Would be interested if a freezer conversion would be possible in an electric vehicle & still get mileage & payload. But being honest I don’t like the look of the Beta at tall & wouldn’t be seen dead driving it. That design looks like it’s got blind spots on the arches & the look to me is poor. However…. Make the Alpha & I’d love one. Also as some others have commented I’d be interested in seeing a camper version of the Alpha.
Certainly doesn’t feel more practical though now does it will the front slightly longer and the windscreen at an angle like that. They definitely got it right the first time. I just hope they ‘don’t’ end up changing the bus design as well. Although that is more unlikely thankfully as that one is already in production and will be shipping soon to customers.
For delivery vans price and tco is most important. So how does this van compare to a renault master ZE for example? Those vans are used for delivery in city in the netherlands.
I am looking forward to passenger van version. I live at an independent senior cooperative apartment building. We have a gas bus now. With in 6 - 10 years we will need a new bus.
Agreed. I thought they were just updating the existing design to show the production model or another model they also wanna sell. Not replacing the original design all together.😞 This feels more like a step backwards.
I love arrival’s microfactory concept. How will it be possible to make the microfactory available in Sri Lanka? Do arrival partner if we invest in small countries like Sri Lanka?
To everyone saying they prefer the alpha design (I get it), remember this is a product meant to be used, not looked at. Drag is the aerodynamic force that opposes the vehicle motion through the air. We want more efficiency to be competitive. Commercial fleet purchasers will care very little about what it looks like. You are not the customer.
Not true Jeff, commercial operators actually care a huge amount about what their fleet says about their brand. In terms of aesthetics, the Beta is a huge backward step, and it will take more than a hipster designer spouting nonsense about visual noise on city streets and creating 'calming and iconic' to pursuade most. In my view its all a bit Emperors New Clothes.
@@LesBrecknell So true!!! Its almost essential for a brand to transport its image even via their cars!!! The alpha was awesome! The beta is boring and disappointing now!
I'm curious if you could make an electric food truck like this. I'd think the heating/cooling of food needed would make such a thing impractical even with a heat pump, but still ... it would be cool if it could be done. Like I said, just curious.
I understand the rational for moving to a more flexible design, but I hope they work on the aesthetic. Utilitarian vehicles still need an element of appeal. The front of the BETA reminds me of a Mk1 Renault Master!
some honest thoughts about choosing the design version: My honest appreciation for your works and efforts My honest impression: the alfa design is more iconic though... My honest question :I really can't understand, why it couldn't be as scalable as the beta design? you could theoretically stretch a strait vertical line to the infinity!!! My honest knowledge (as a student of automotive engineering): the shorter the wheelbase, the smaller the turning circle which is very important in narrow urban alleys and dead-ends.
Think it was Smith's electric and then was it Johnson's that had an electric van concept in the 90's/ early 2000s. Shame they went under we would have been a lot further on.
The alpha looked like a modern and futuristic delivery-truck, the beta looks a lot more like a cheap standard delivery-vehicle, all the sleekness, design and aesthetics are gone. I really hope that the alpha will be produced in future too.
Its a shame the distinctive front of the alpha prototype seems to have dropped in favour of more "normal van" looks, but it if means more firms will buy it and delivery drivers find it easier to use then so be it.
On nooo, does this mean that the first alpha design isn’t going into production now?😰😞 That would be a great shame I muuuch prefer the first more sweet rounded box shape design to this. It feels far more futuristic and gives a better viewing area than this one! I do hope that they will still consider selling the Alpha model as well, as I don’t think I’d end up getting this now. Full support the company still in everything they’re trying to do...just not liking this van anymore. Just hope they don’t end up changing the bus design as well, although that is thankfully let likely with it already in production.
Love the concept and idea of micro factory but as a vehicle test engineer they have made the same mistakes as regular car makers. not getting test engineers like myself to give inputs. by giving the front screen a rake backwards they have created blind spots in the front pillars, and as its main use as a delivery vehicle the less blind spots are better. and as its used in cities drives like visibility. however hats off to the great manufacturing techniques.
Everything I loved about the alpha design is gone. Now it looks like just another white van. I get that refinements are part of the process but this deviates from the alpha in so many ways that I now have doubt your vision. I'm sorry to say I no longer care about Arrival. On the other hand I'm no fleet owner so my opinion doesn't really matter. I just wanted to express my disappointment as a fan.
Sadly, they didn't make it. OEM's missed opportunities to acquire these start-ups as think tanks for future vehicles, negating the need for current production and profit. Canoo, a parallel producer managed some smart, penny on the dollar purchases of Arrival's assets. Their next purchase will be Ford or GM plants to mass produce their products. Investments? Easy to come.
cant wait to get a camper version
You are a Smart person. You know the things
I think it'll be a bit before that's doable at least if you want to travel any significant distance.
Campers are HEAVY and would have a rather limited range.
You can't just keep adding batteries as past a certain point your weight offsets any gain in capacity.
Check out Car And Driver's review on the F-150 lightning. They estimate an under 100 mile range if towing at maximum.
I love what Arrival are doing, hopefully they'll be the disrupters that the commercial vehicle industry needs. There's always been something about that van that was retro & yet modern. I could never quite put my finger on what it was. Then it struck me recently. I'm old enough to remember growing up in the countryside when grocery & butchers vans were the norm. No noe went to the supermarket, the shop came to you. The design of those old vans was quite like this, high roof, sliding doors, square sides etc. All of this makes perfect sense. I'm in my 60's I'm now back living where I grew up. What we've seen since covid came along is a renewed interest in local fresh food. Imagine one of these, carrying locally produced provenance food, travelling round, serving local communities? How awesome would that be?
I like the alpha design aesthetic more but I can see the beta is far more functional in terms of aerodynamics, scalability, crash worthiness etc...
This is amazing. I would love to see their buses and vans on roads
This just replaced the Mercedes Benz Sprinter for being my favourite van. It’s use of space is so efficient and so charismatic. I cannot wait to see this as a loungebus or camper-van use!!! ;)
When I first saw the Alpha design a couple of years back on Fully Charged I was knocked out, it was fantastic and set to become iconic. When I first glimpsed the Beta iteration I thought I was looking at a 1980's concept mockup of a mk3 Transit - you've added way too much salt to the secret sauce.
Actually I believe it was only 1 year ago that Fully Charged showed it. But yeah, they’ve done waaaay to much to this. Their brains must’ve defaulted to what we all know the most in terms of standard designs. This is a big shame. I’m betting there’s a more logical explanation though as to why they’ve gone and done this ‘that they done want to admit’ to the public.
Reeeeally hope they go back to the Alpha design again. I definitely wouldn’t buy the Beta now.
Yup the original was a better urban concept, albeit power consumption would be improved with a raked screen. The original looked similar to the electric delivery truck design I propsed in my final year engineering degree in 1976!
Love seeing the progress and refinement of design to support function. Impressive work and proud shareholder. Keep it up!
Hope the flat front Alpha is still going ahead as well :-)
I hope as well, i really like that design, it may cause more drag because of the large surface like a truck but i like it nonetheless.
I usually make a point not to judge when designs change because I know that it’s very likely that it’ll grow on me in the end. But I did struggle to get on board with the beta design of the van. And of course it’s grown on me now :) Can’t wait to see these (and the bus) out in the real world.
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At the first time I see this, I quickly fancy with all design
Prefer the van at 2:19 better. More iconic.
vans and specially buses is smart move, because cities and countries have taken decision to become emission free and they have the money to make bigger orders. Proud shareholder. Greetings from Finland!
It looks beautiful
Such an awesome vehicle! Hope to see these around sometime soon!
People need to order these.
I think UPS ordered 10,000.
When form follows function you have an aesthetically appealing and efficient end product. And simplicity is an art form.
I really appreciate the effort you're all putting into this sector of vehicles, making them easier to use and better for the world we live in too. Great work. But I do have to say, the Alpha looks WAAAY nicer than the Beta, the Alpha shape was what stopped me in my tracks, I would love to use that a personal vehicle. The Beta looks like most other vans, more dated and seems to lack the designer look. Just my opinion of course, you guys keep up the great work and stay safe :)
I wonder how long it'll be before one is converted to a home in wheels. Why not sell one for home conversions.
Nice one chaps, hope to see it in Japan one day
I have a small delivery company & drive a 3.5t truck. I absolutely LOVE the Alpha design. Would be interested if a freezer conversion would be possible in an electric vehicle & still get mileage & payload. But being honest I don’t like the look of the Beta at tall & wouldn’t be seen dead driving it. That design looks like it’s got blind spots on the arches & the look to me is poor. However…. Make the Alpha & I’d love one. Also as some others have commented I’d be interested in seeing a camper version of the Alpha.
Hi there, I'm an electrician in the United States, will you be doing private sales over here or just fleet orders?
@@ARRIVALUK Okay, thank you
Very snappy video production. Good story. When are you going start mass production of vehicles?
I take it that the original version is an option along with the new, and the micro-manufacturing process can handle both?
This is amazing user experience design!
where does all this enthusiasm comes from???? I'd like to own this van....I really do.
What is the software yall use to design the van?
lets goooo, public with CIIC , I voted, YES
Yes fine wonderful aesthetics great design language nice green credentials but how far will it go?
Looks Awesome!!!
wow and all that for a perfectly affordable price!
3:53 Steam on a work PC, I wonder what software you're using from Steam. Gravity Sketch maybe?
So when do we see them rolling off the line?
Love it. The camper conversion classic that will be like the EV generation VW surfer bus
Much prefer the cleaner, bubly bus like design but if this is more practical than sobeit!
Certainly doesn’t feel more practical though now does it will the front slightly longer and the windscreen at an angle like that. They definitely got it right the first time. I just hope they ‘don’t’ end up changing the bus design as well. Although that is more unlikely thankfully as that one is already in production and will be shipping soon to customers.
@@danielwhyatt3278 the bus design is pretty much the same as current buses.
The van has gone the same way.
Perfect
For delivery vans price and tco is most important. So how does this van compare to a renault master ZE for example? Those vans are used for delivery in city in the netherlands.
Loving this!
Get your arses into Australia as a Motorhome Private & fleet rental. You guys are on the money, well done.
Does anybody know the price range?
How does it fare in a crash test?
Interior??
I am looking forward to passenger van version. I live at an independent senior cooperative apartment building. We have a gas bus now. With in 6 - 10 years we will need a new bus.
West Ken station :) great work guys i hope you are successful
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Good to see the designer drives a Tesla Model S :)
I will love to work at Arrival someday at an industrial designer. Will there be more design related jobs open up in the future?
I liked the Alpha design more
The alpha design appeals much more to me, as it does to many others. The beta looks very much like a 1975 VW LT.
Agreed. I thought they were just updating the existing design to show the production model or another model they also wanna sell. Not replacing the original design all together.😞 This feels more like a step backwards.
Soooo great, i Love this
Very nice looking :) Keep it up! :D
I love arrival’s microfactory concept. How will it be possible to make the microfactory available in Sri Lanka? Do arrival partner if we invest in small countries like Sri Lanka?
to everyone that is saying that i like the alpha model better. listen to 5:44. they must have thought of something.
To everyone saying they prefer the alpha design (I get it), remember this is a product meant to be used, not looked at. Drag is the aerodynamic force that opposes the vehicle motion through the air. We want more efficiency to be competitive. Commercial fleet purchasers will care very little about what it looks like. You are not the customer.
Not true Jeff, commercial operators actually care a huge amount about what their fleet says about their brand. In terms of aesthetics, the Beta is a huge backward step, and it will take more than a hipster designer spouting nonsense about visual noise on city streets and creating 'calming and iconic' to pursuade most. In my view its all a bit Emperors New Clothes.
@@LesBrecknell technologies, materials, components and micro factories says a lot about it. What company have you been following?
@@LesBrecknell So true!!! Its almost essential for a brand to transport its image even via their cars!!! The alpha was awesome! The beta is boring and disappointing now!
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I'm curious if you could make an electric food truck like this. I'd think the heating/cooling of food needed would make such a thing impractical even with a heat pump, but still ... it would be cool if it could be done. Like I said, just curious.
I understand the rational for moving to a more flexible design, but I hope they work on the aesthetic. Utilitarian vehicles still need an element of appeal. The front of the BETA reminds me of a Mk1 Renault Master!
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No side load door? This is a dedicated walk thru. A pallet sized side opening would be appropriate for other applications.
I like your product !!! Let's enstablish an arrival microfactory in Italy !!! ...by Marco ... car designer !!!
No not going to happen
@@louisbeerreviews8964 ...maybe it will !!!!
some honest thoughts about choosing the design version:
My honest appreciation for your works and efforts
My honest impression: the alfa design is more iconic though...
My honest question :I really can't understand, why it couldn't be as scalable as the beta design? you could theoretically stretch a strait vertical line to the infinity!!!
My honest knowledge (as a student of automotive engineering): the shorter the wheelbase, the smaller the turning circle which is very important in narrow urban alleys and dead-ends.
Think it was Smith's electric and then was it Johnson's that had an electric van concept in the 90's/ early 2000s. Shame they went under we would have been a lot further on.
I’m convinced the Alpha design wasn’t safe for frontal crash, probably easier to get in too.
I like the alpha vehicle design more though.
sux the alpha design wasnt carried forward as this looks MEH in comparison. if you're selling any of the alpha vans let me know.
Arrival is the Tesla of vans. Best electric vans built from the ground up.
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so can I live in it
I still have my 4000 share that I bought at $12.18 please let me know if it was a scam?
Its sure seems like one. Maybe avinash worked at a call centre in mumbai before, those poor old people...
It’s horrible
The alpha looked like a modern and futuristic delivery-truck, the beta looks a lot more like a cheap standard delivery-vehicle, all the sleekness, design and aesthetics are gone. I really hope that the alpha will be produced in future too.
I like the look better than the Canoo.
Buy the stocks before it's too late!! I bought at $3 and already made %50 profit! It's going to reach high $20's.
Its a shame the distinctive front of the alpha prototype seems to have dropped in favour of more "normal van" looks, but it if means more firms will buy it and delivery drivers find it easier to use then so be it.
The earlier design was so much better! This looks so miserable and generic
Well, so the Alpha is basically a T1- VW Transporter, whereas the Beta is a T4.
micro factory=macro cost.
On nooo, does this mean that the first alpha design isn’t going into production now?😰😞 That would be a great shame I muuuch prefer the first more sweet rounded box shape design to this. It feels far more futuristic and gives a better viewing area than this one! I do hope that they will still consider selling the Alpha model as well, as I don’t think I’d end up getting this now.
Full support the company still in everything they’re trying to do...just not liking this van anymore. Just hope they don’t end up changing the bus design as well, although that is thankfully let likely with it already in production.
Arrival electric vehicle a non brain
USPS: hold my beer.
Love the concept and idea of micro factory but as a vehicle test engineer they have made the same mistakes as regular car makers. not getting test engineers like myself to give inputs. by giving the front screen a rake backwards they have created blind spots in the front pillars, and as its main use as a delivery vehicle the less blind spots are better. and as its used in cities drives like visibility.
however hats off to the great manufacturing techniques.
Prefer the original design... 😔
The first was definitely better. Hopefully they will hear the same thing from other supporters of there and they might release that design as well.
Oh no... So the Alpha is dead??? 😟
That's sad. I liked the look of that front. Like an old RF London Bus.
looks like vitsoe shelves
Everything I loved about the alpha design is gone. Now it looks like just another white van. I get that refinements are part of the process but this deviates from the alpha in so many ways that I now have doubt your vision. I'm sorry to say I no longer care about Arrival. On the other hand I'm no fleet owner so my opinion doesn't really matter. I just wanted to express my disappointment as a fan.
Sadly, they didn't make it. OEM's missed opportunities to acquire these start-ups as think tanks for future vehicles, negating the need for current production and profit. Canoo, a parallel producer managed some smart, penny on the dollar purchases of Arrival's assets. Their next purchase will be Ford or GM plants to mass produce their products. Investments? Easy to come.
Have you designed in somewhere to throw your half eaten Maccie D's and an empty milkshake bottle? .... This is a commercial vehicle right?
I don't get it. Judging from just this video and the looks (without knowing what's underneath),it seems simply boring and generic.
Everything is beautiful except the headlights and the front of the vehicle. It doesn’t match the beautiful design.
yeah this is not nearly as cool as the original design 👎
First
Bruh
I don’t think that’s the point but ok.
too slow..
looks great - but once again - not a female in sight.....
f scam
Makimg the van...3 years later we are still making it. Yeah, the same van