Hey Shok, I just wanted to give a sincere thank you for uploading this content for free. As someone who can't really afford coaching, these videos are an absolute gem among the sea of shitty clickbait channels like Pro Guides. After watching the entirety of the series so far, I've went from getting carried to carrying within my group of friends I tend to queue with. Keep it up, you're a blessing to this site 💜
This is helpful. I think I get stuck in an “all or nothing” mindset when it comes to roams. I either give up a full wave cuz the timing looks good in bot lane, or I stay mid trying to shove the wave while my bot lane is getting destroyed. With this vid, makes it clear to weigh out the pros and cons of a roam, where sometimes it’s ok to give up a wave if you’ll get more value (xp, gold, win con) out of the roam. So I’ll be focusing on trying to take valuable roams in my games. Thanks for making this vid !
Literaly after watching this video I go 27-2-7 with Talon. Literally stomp lane and snowball the rest of the game, leaving my rival laner 3 levels behind and helping other lanes, even the jungler. Your videos really help, keep on the great job dude!
I find the most important thing in the whole game when it comes to roaming. PRIORITY, what is the talon gonna do when a wave is constantly under his tower? What are you gonna do if the orianna and jungler is gonna bully you to death when you even attempt a roam? Can't roam without prio. Simple trick, when u have prio. ALWAYS fake roam on a pink or known unwarded place. Only go for plates if you see enemy jungle/are covered by your jungler or enemy laner is absent.
I think in the next days i'll just brake down each single one of your videos, pick one topic at a time and focus on it for each single game until i feel im doing it right before moving to the next! Ty again Shok!
Your guides kick ass, dude! They've made all the difference for me lately. Been doing way better! Question about midlane: lately I've seen a ton of kats and akalis building divine sunderer. Do you think assassins going bruiser is going to be the way of it or do you think it's just a lingering side effect of the new patches that'll go away?
I think divine was already the best Mythic on Kat even before the patch so I don't expect that to go away. I do think the AP builds on Akali are better though and I haven't seen pretty much any divine akali in higher elo.
Thanks i was scared to roam whith kata because i never have prio or push but all time i see low target on the side and i hesitate in that case, im not cc but im full burst reset yolo ! Thx from a silver :3
Hey, is there any chance that you make a Talon guide? In your mid tier list, you said that he has a really unique playstyle so i would love to see a guide for him!
Agree a lot with what Cruncix said, I haven't played much Talon so I wouldn't be able to make a guide on him, but there's a lot of the more niche champions that I should do vod reviews on to help people understand it a bit more even if it's not a full guide
Great video man, really clear and concise. Noticed that you played a lot of competitive games, how did u get into the pro scene in OCE and what would you recommend for someone if they wanted to get into the scene, focus on soloq or tryouting for a lot of teams?
Yeah focus on getting your soloq up to a high rank, you start getting noticed for academy/main leagues if you're 1k LP + in my experience. I was high rank for a pretty decent amount of time before I got my first expressions of interest from teams
The last thoughts were very poignant. I've been learning Zed. Laning against electrocute yone today. Roaming heavy and suddenly I'm 2 levels behind. Love the content. I wish I'd finished the vid before that game.
I know you labled roaming a laning fundamental, but how important would you say it really is to learn roaming? Atm I am one tricking Annie at Plat and never in my games did I once roam. The reasoning is, that relying too much on roams would (in my eyes) hinder the progress on other fundamentals and I did not want to pick it up until Diamond. Would you say that this is a bad idea? But great content, I really enjoy your videos.
I'd say it's just as important as any other fundamental. You can ignore it to focus on other ones for now, but eventually it would be beneficial to learn for sure. I think focusing on other stuff until to reach diamond is absolutely fine.
I mean you no disrespect but league is such a cool versatile game that you can climb just by all inning on a powerful scaling character with a simple kit. I would benefit from that but I get so bored. Shok's content is really the best mid lane content on TH-cam and he's a saint for providing it. Good luck with your climb
These videos are epic, unfortunately I'm an ADC main and not all your concepts are valid for my role. Very tough to find good adc educational content out there. Can you recommend someone?
@@ShokLeague I think most ADC mains quit the game before they can become coaches LOL. But on a serious note keep up the vids they are incredibly helpful, especially your mindset guide I've rewatched probably 6 times.
Sometimes I'll be even and the enemy crashes a wave towards me, I'll clearly see the enemy moving bot because of my good wards placement. I will spam ping my botlane and shove my wave under their turret, all that to have my botlane ignoring my pings and engaging a 2v2 with unknown enemy jungler and midlaner roaming bot. What should I do? Give up minions to make sure my bot has a chance to win or keep playing the way I feel is the smartest for me....
and at what level do you start roaming ? cuz to roam you need to clear wave fast, to clear eave fast you need ap. so cant realy clear waves until lvl 6 .
Hey Shok, I just wanted to give a sincere thank you for uploading this content for free. As someone who can't really afford coaching, these videos are an absolute gem among the sea of shitty clickbait channels like Pro Guides. After watching the entirety of the series so far, I've went from getting carried to carrying within my group of friends I tend to queue with. Keep it up, you're a blessing to this site 💜
Thanks :D appreciate it a lot!
“unless you just get 1v2’d by irelia of course”
too relatable and too true
YES YES! just when i was like i need to learn more about roaming, thank you such a great made video idk how you make it so easy to understand ty C:
Thank you
This is helpful. I think I get stuck in an “all or nothing” mindset when it comes to roams.
I either give up a full wave cuz the timing looks good in bot lane, or I stay mid trying to shove the wave while my bot lane is getting destroyed.
With this vid, makes it clear to weigh out the pros and cons of a roam, where sometimes it’s ok to give up a wave if you’ll get more value (xp, gold, win con) out of the roam.
So I’ll be focusing on trying to take valuable roams in my games.
Thanks for making this vid !
Literaly after watching this video I go 27-2-7 with Talon. Literally stomp lane and snowball the rest of the game, leaving my rival laner 3 levels behind and helping other lanes, even the jungler.
Your videos really help, keep on the great job dude!
when you see it
@@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ ?
@@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ wysi lmaooo
Well once u use these principles as talon u gonna just shit all over low elo players...
@@lestonclark2398 I don´t play League anymore, and I´m happy with it
I find the most important thing in the whole game when it comes to roaming. PRIORITY, what is the talon gonna do when a wave is constantly under his tower? What are you gonna do if the orianna and jungler is gonna bully you to death when you even attempt a roam? Can't roam without prio.
Simple trick, when u have prio. ALWAYS fake roam on a pink or known unwarded place. Only go for plates if you see enemy jungle/are covered by your jungler or enemy laner is absent.
This whole video reminds me so much about expected value analysis (probability * value in case of success, basically)
A lot of league is about that tbh
needed this. ive been playing league for a month now and finding out when to roam is the thing i struggle with most
I got you covered
I think in the next days i'll just brake down each single one of your videos, pick one topic at a time and focus on it for each single game until i feel im doing it right before moving to the next! Ty again Shok!
Yeah that's a really good way to do it!
Sooo did it pay out?
Your guides kick ass, dude! They've made all the difference for me lately. Been doing way better!
Question about midlane: lately I've seen a ton of kats and akalis building divine sunderer. Do you think assassins going bruiser is going to be the way of it or do you think it's just a lingering side effect of the new patches that'll go away?
I think divine was already the best Mythic on Kat even before the patch so I don't expect that to go away. I do think the AP builds on Akali are better though and I haven't seen pretty much any divine akali in higher elo.
Thanks for the video! Im new to league and what im struggling the most with is roaming
Thanks i was scared to roam whith kata because i never have prio or push but all time i see low target on the side and i hesitate in that case, im not cc but im full burst reset yolo ! Thx from a silver :3
Hey
I watched all the videos in ur channel and they was so useful
Ty so much 🙏🏼
Hey, is there any chance that you make a Talon guide? In your mid tier list, you said that he has a really unique playstyle so i would love to see a guide for him!
Agree a lot with what Cruncix said, I haven't played much Talon so I wouldn't be able to make a guide on him, but there's a lot of the more niche champions that I should do vod reviews on to help people understand it a bit more even if it's not a full guide
@@ShokLeaguefair enough, thanks anyways!
Thx for the video men I'm watching yr play list and i already see improvements
Great video man, really clear and concise. Noticed that you played a lot of competitive games, how did u get into the pro scene in OCE and what would you recommend for someone if they wanted to get into the scene, focus on soloq or tryouting for a lot of teams?
Yeah focus on getting your soloq up to a high rank, you start getting noticed for academy/main leagues if you're 1k LP + in my experience. I was high rank for a pretty decent amount of time before I got my first expressions of interest from teams
Tysm i love your vids so much!!!
This helpt me a lot :)
man i love u
Amazing video as always. You are the 🐐
nice video! show are you gonna do midlane tier list in patch 12.10 or atleast most broken champions
Yeah I think I'm just gonna do another tierlist haha
I ate bread now I eat toast. Fire 🔥
The last thoughts were very poignant. I've been learning Zed. Laning against electrocute yone today. Roaming heavy and suddenly I'm 2 levels behind. Love the content. I wish I'd finished the vid before that game.
Excellent content as always
Aaaaaaah let’s gooooooo !!!!
Nice good nice content
I know you labled roaming a laning fundamental, but how important would you say it really is to learn roaming?
Atm I am one tricking Annie at Plat and never in my games did I once roam. The reasoning is, that relying too much on roams would (in my eyes) hinder the progress on other fundamentals and I did not want to pick it up until Diamond.
Would you say that this is a bad idea?
But great content, I really enjoy your videos.
I'd say it's just as important as any other fundamental. You can ignore it to focus on other ones for now, but eventually it would be beneficial to learn for sure. I think focusing on other stuff until to reach diamond is absolutely fine.
I mean you no disrespect but league is such a cool versatile game that you can climb just by all inning on a powerful scaling character with a simple kit. I would benefit from that but I get so bored. Shok's content is really the best mid lane content on TH-cam and he's a saint for providing it. Good luck with your climb
OMG! an OCE player lets go! subbed :D
what the mean of tier 3 tower i didnt get it 4:53 ,u said it on farming guide too
These videos are epic, unfortunately I'm an ADC main and not all your concepts are valid for my role. Very tough to find good adc educational content out there. Can you recommend someone?
Arrow is probably the only person I can think of
@@ShokLeague I think most ADC mains quit the game before they can become coaches LOL. But on a serious note keep up the vids they are incredibly helpful, especially your mindset guide I've rewatched probably 6 times.
Should we take into consideration where their jg is
Thanks
What if the midlander sees you leave every single time and tells top/bot to back off
Sometimes I'll be even and the enemy crashes a wave towards me, I'll clearly see the enemy moving bot because of my good wards placement. I will spam ping my botlane and shove my wave under their turret, all that to have my botlane ignoring my pings and engaging a 2v2 with unknown enemy jungler and midlaner roaming bot. What should I do? Give up minions to make sure my bot has a chance to win or keep playing the way I feel is the smartest for me....
and at what level do you start roaming ? cuz to roam you need to clear wave fast, to clear eave fast you need ap. so cant realy clear waves until lvl 6 .
When to follow enemy roam and when not to?
Situational, just depends if you can impact the roam before it ends or if it's better to push the wave and take plates
does anyone know how shok knew exactly where the oriana would land after teleport at 14:10
When you TP you always land behind the tower
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