eSIM - The ugly truth
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You can tell it’s really iPhone 14 season because we nerds are angrier than Star Wars stans following Book of Boba. And the reason… this time? I mean, same song, new verse. Apple’s deleted another port, this time the SIM card slot. Moving from a traditional, card-based Subscriber Identity Module to a new-fangled ee-lec-tronic version that’s no longer swappable at the hands-to-hardware level, only software. At least in the U.S. For now.
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The iPhone 13 strikes the right balance. If you want an e-sim, you have it; if you want a SIM card, you also have it. Why not leave it the same way in iPhone 14.
What they should make is a little device that takes a SIM (MicroSIM or whatever) and uploads the SIM data over bluetooth when you push a button. I like not having a SIM tray in the phones if its removal serves a purpose. But the complaint is that people need to do a hardware SIM change and a little SIM blaster could do that just as well as a SIM in a permanent tray does. (?)
Apple excels as usual.. there is no real competitor to the iPhone so far.. you want a real integrated phone, there is only the iPhone in the market
I travel still need sim
@@solweiser for where?
I hate that Verizon charges $35 to "activate" my new iPhone when I could have purchased the phone outright and simply swapped the physical sim. Grrr!
So Verizon doesn't charge new Android phone users ???
Don’t have that problem on T-Mobile
@@goobfilmcast4239 yes they do
@@RossMKF1 nope! Because T Mobile is GSM which uses physical SIM
@@KEYBEATZ GSM can use esim T-Mobile has supported it for awhile
Easy solution…don’t buy it…make these companies give us what we want not what they want.
You have a point
Exactly
I don’t mind the esim I don’t go out the country a lot so it all depends on if it’s for you.
Nope, it's not an easy solution. Just like 3mm jack. As much as we do care about these things, the vast majority of people in the world do not. The companies will keep selling, and in two years or four, almost all smartphones are eSIM-only.
Then our choices would be eSIM or no phone.
@@wakaneut no phone then i love using my pc
The problem with removing sim tray, is it also removes a bunch of features, such as certificates for national identity in Estonia. Or RFC for public transit. There are more than meets the eye in SIM card that is possible.
Interesting I was not aware of this.
as someone who bounces from phone to phone no more iphones for me
I use iPhone and love it but I switch phones like crazy as well and I may have to switch to Android for a awhile
Once it becomes the standard it will be even easier to swap phones
I have the feeling that iPhone 14 sales in Canada are gonna be huge, since we are getting models with the physical SIM tray slot. I wouldn't be surprised if Americans wanna order from Canada.
That’s true. They should have kept it with or without a SIM card. Canada does get a SIM card. Looked on Apple Canada 🇨🇦 store. Transferring my iPhone 13PRO SIM card to iPhone 14PRO e-SIM . Its different, Apple Pay, iCloud. I should’ve waited.
That loophole won't work! This is about registry and government control. The government will just have the carriers stop selling sim cards, and especially for certain phones. Watch!
@@JohnTaylor-bd1uy yeah but you use old sim and it’ll be a while before governments do this aka 6 months to 1 year
I sure hope so cause I’m sticking with my 13pro 256 till the 15pro , and I hope that Canadian 15pros have physical sims
My next phone will no longer be iPhone because of esim thing. Unless I can buy a regular sim iPhone in Canada and use it. Are there any cell providers that use CDMA technology/ compatible with Verizon cellular? If anyone knows reply , I’m looking into other phones in the meantime.. bye Apple 🍏
Third World viewpoint here: there's no Apple Store in my country, so we order online from the USA. And you guessed it, there's also no e-sim support either. Buying iPhones from the EU or UK is stupidly expensive, so we're in trouble with the iPhone 14's. I guess Canada will have to do.
Which country is that? Pretty much every country in the world has esims, across Africa, Asia (not North Korea).
Why not Dubai ?
@@Andyhandle Zambia
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@@mjmulenga3 I've never been to Zambia but it sounds like there are some great places to visit. The Victoria falls, national parks...
There are a couple of esim providers in Zambia like Airalo, Keepgo... And an increasing number of companies that support esim add ons for places not covered by your usual contract.
@@wifine1951 several esim providers in Dubai including Airalo. Though for tourists Vodafone esim is probably easiest (runs on the Du network). There are several others and the option of some of the newer companies that are intended for international travellers.
eSim was indeed a deal breaker for me. However, I live in Canada and I was afraid that when they were talking the USA they may have included Canada...it would not be the first time...but I digress...on September 9th I was ready to order my iPhone 14 Pro but first I contacted Apple Canada to be sure the Canadian version was getting one of the "overseas" versions of the iPhone 14 Pro and not the American version. I was so relieved when it was confirmed that the iPhone 14 Pro sold in Canada does have the sim tray. I immediately put in my order. For once it was nice to be treated like a foreigner alien by an American establishment.
@Westhaven well, you can bet 100% you will be getting esim only Iphones at some point up there too.
Going forward, perhaps changing the battery will become more popular among iPhone SIM card users than upgrading to a new iPhone e-SIM only. But, Apple can always end their authorized battery replacement service in the future.
I’m not gonna lie, I did the eSIM thing with my iPhone 11 Pro Max & the 12 Pro Max & they gave me nothing but problems, also with my 13 Pro Max. So I switched it to a physical SIM card & things have been working smoothly ever since.
I hope they fix iCloud account & Verizon data account connectivity issues with an eSIM, especially when using a VPN
From what I am hearing it more an issue with the carriers not being ready rather then the phone vendors not being ready.
can you elaborate which problems you had?
@@kayaanyadunath9863. I kept getting a system notification that would state something like I am “not logged in to my iMessage account”. Sure enough, if I went to Settings > Messages > Send and Receive, instead of seeing a blue check next to my phone number, I would see a spinning circle that would just stay spinning.
And my iMessages would only send as green text SMS messages.
And this happened every time whenever I would turn my phone off and back on, or every now and then if I had a VPN running.
There was only one thing that ended up fixing it every time, and I think it was toggling airplane mode on & off.
@@media6969 It is not clear that this is related to eSIm. This may be another software issue in iOS. Have subsequent updates resolved the issue? Have you contacted Apple about it to see if it is a documented issue that others are having?>
@@PWingert1966. It is absolutely clear that this problem is related to eSIM & the iOS software. Again, if you read my original statement, you would see that I had this issue from the iPhone 11 through the iPhone 13, which would also include all of their latest software updates.
I’ve tried resetting my network settings. I’ve reported it to Apple. I’ve tried everything possible for troubleshooting. And the only thing that stopped that problem from happening over YEARS of use was switching to a physical SIM.
These benefits of eSIM can already be enjoyed by iPhone users because it’s already on existing devices. But when you also remove the physical sim, now it will be a nightmare to travel to many places.
Uhmmm Apple is allowing us to put there many e-sim didn’t u watched the presentation
@@tikycz8261 Uhmmm many countries around the world don’t have telecom providers with eSIM options and even those that do, have very limited options. You can’t just travel, get a cheap local sim, and pop it in your iPhone 14 when you get there. So no, having the ability to add a second eSIM does not help in this scenario but thank you for wrongfully assuming I didn’t watch a presentation because you didn’t comprehend the problem.
I can see where that affects 1% of people. Travelers. Meh.
I have the iPhone 13 and I don’t have a SIM card. So how is this new?
@@browneyedpoet7107 you have e sim now but still have the sim card tray for if you want to put another line on your phone
You buy an Apple iPhone with your money and Apple OWNS YOUR IPHONE.
i canceled my pre-order for this phone after thinking more about the eSIM thing. first it renders the backup mini i bought last year moot as if my main phone breaks i cant just pop out the SIM and carry on with my mini, i now likely will need a customer service interaction to get it going; i dont trust providers- champions of the next fee they can add on, to not start charging every eSIM swap, and i keep seeing that people have had rough times getting it to work/activate.
Same here, I canceled my pre-order for the very same reason. I will be holding on to my iPhone pro max 11 for the foreseeable future
Honestly the internal Esim activation is super easy.
And your backup phone honestly isn’t moot because it’s also esim capable.
It’s the only difference is the Se can only support 1 Esim where the 14 models can support at least 8 Esim.
I can see a potential issue with international travel if you happen to go to a carrier that dosent support Esim but a quick internet seach will let you know. Plus that’s when that backup will help.
I’m getting my 14 tomorrow and plan on taking it to japan next year and using AU who supports the 14 pro max.
I had an eSim on the 11 Pro Max that broke. On the new 14 Pro Max, i just logged into my carriers app and got it set up in less than a minute.
@@eraldway same took me like a few min
You’ll catch up, don’t worry.
There's more to the story of removing the SIM card tray other than advancing technology. eSIMs have been on Apple phones for a few development cycles and they are still struggling to gain full adoption here. Why are there still sim trays on the Canadian, HK, Singapore and Australian versions of the iPhone 14? The truth is with no sim tray, it will be harder to swap phone service with smaller, cheaper carriers or use your existing phone with an international cell service backing you into roaming charges or longer service terms. Sadly, I believe Apple was financially incentivized to do this from the existing cell service providers. Not happy!
And I bet, Samsung will follow soon
@@conradofmc_ny6706 I hope not, this is trash! I pay for a phone, I want control!
And not only that, next year following the European Union's new mandatory USB-C law Apple will continue to offer iPhones with lightning ports to US customers and the rest of the world making it harder for Europeans to simply purchase US versions (often cheaper) off amazon and eBay for use in Europe. Genius!
@@conradofmc_ny6706 you know that's coming everything that Apple does and gets away with, Samsung follows suit
The eSIM only move is to appease US cell phone carriers. Nothing more. In Europe, China, Japan, and Korea that won't fly.
A SIM tray portion inside any phone is SO small capacity that there are no gains in battery capacity. This only has to do with Apple giving control back to the US carriers. More hoops to jump thru & carriers can charge for switching.
I thought Apple was handling the switching through their software?
I really am not in favor of removing the physical sim card, I mean, at least give us the option to pay extra in the US to buy a 14 series device with a slot. I never really cared about the removal of the headphone jack, I think it made more people angry that this will (but in my opinion, removing the sim tray is way worse for the end user). I think it's about creating one more small barrier (to switching away to Android). I have a 12 Pro and I guess I'm gonna have to research if the Canadian model is really the same (in terms of supporting all the right bands), I'm cool if there is no millimeter wave 5g on it. I won't buy an iPhone without a sim tray.
there are BT/USB SIM adapters!
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu that’s the worst possible solution it truly doesn’t solve the issue, specially for those who are not nerds but travel a lot and prefer to switch sims while overseas rather than paying for roaming plans
Its almost the same. Canadian does not support 5gmm wave- the mind boggling 5g speeds.. Not your usual ones. The mmWave is the short distance , super fast 5g.
@@MiMa-kk2yf That’s what I thought, I honestly don’t care about having that specific type of 5G (MM Wave/UW Band). I’ll happily take the sim tray over something that I’d only use 1% of the time or less. I’m afraid next year it will be eSIM for all iPhones (Globally).
You can switch using a QR code, that's how EE doe it if you go form an iPhone to Samsung esim.
They should just have retained the sim tray. For those who don’t like it, they can use esim. But for those who would rather have the physical sim, then they can still use it
The point is to hasten the end of physical SIM cards entirely.
@@siphillis Which will make it harder to use the cheaper pre paid carriers, that's ALL this is about, phone manufacturers mainly Apple and Samsung want everyone contracted to the big carriers like Verizon, AT&T etc...
I have a 13Pro Max which has both 1 eSim and 1 SIM card Slot. To me that's the best of both worlds.
e-sim is great for people who use one phone, but for people who like to switch between multiple phones a physical Sim card makes it easier to switch between phones. e-sim is locked to one phone.
Not sure it’s locked - scan the QR and it’s transferred to another phone, all done in less than a minute - only snag is that the “other” phone - must also support eSIM
@@Damian_S_ nope, doesn't work like that. You even have to call your carrier and some carriers even charge you for it.
@@SIPEROTH well I’ve been using eSIM for about two years now, my carrier gave me my QR code…I moved from my old phone to a new phone myself at home in just under a minute….
This is like how America carriers locked their phones. Import an iPhone 14 from HK. It not only retails for cheaper, it comes with 2 physical sim slots. Yes 2!! And it’s unlocked too. Also your apple warranty/ applecare+ will be honored internationally including in America. On top of that, as the iPhone is different with these 2 physical SIM card slots, they might not have the parts to fix the iPhone (depending on what breaks), which means most of the time they will just have to replace the entire phone.
Thats not going to work as soon as every US carrier shuts down all the physical SIM cards...
@@michaelbell75 Going all eSIM in the US is one thing, shutting down all physical SIM cards will take time because you can't expect every US person to afford new eSIM phones immediately. Execution will take time.
So do the US phones have bigger batteries?
US & HK (and other countries / regions) have different iPhones & IOS - not just sim slots….is FaceTime available on the HK iPhone? mmWave 5g? Radio frequencies?
They are very different phones
How do I import one? Cause I’m currently in the USA but I live somewhere that my carrier doesn’t support eSIM
eSIMs should be an option, not a requisite. It is an evil greedy move from big companies, many world argue.
They say SIMs are evolving into eSIMs.
You can also say that CDMA evolved into SIMs.
Yet the technologies differ, these are considered "evolutions". Don't think so.
The SIM technology provided more freedom, choice and privacy than the CDMA technology, so people adopted it very fast.
CDMA and all of the problemas it had, seems to be "evolving" into eSIMs. In other words, eSIMs are the new CDMA.
Many people around the world fought for the SIM technology, it was a blessing to get rid of CDMA. But now, Apple and carriers want to give us a new version of CDMA. I don't parade with them in this matter.
CDMA/eSIMs= probability of more corruption and burocracy of the "carrier" side and problems and more problems for the consumer.
SIM technology: freedom of choice, privacy and private property are on the side of the consumer.
If you buy a esim only phone, the phone is actually "owned" more by the carrier/manufacturer. The sale in this case, is more like a lease/borrowed.
On the other side, SIM phones are yours. You can ensure "more privacy", Big Brother is a little more handicapped by not having the eSIM permanently stuck inside the phone.
I will resist buying any eSIM only phone. I favor SIM swappable phones. My humble opinion.
Removing the sim card is basically turning a gsm phone into a cdma
thats what disgusts me the most about it
true true. its so dumb idea. but the idea makes Apple complete control on their device whoever uses it.
Yah you can put multiple esim on 1 device and it’s cdma which only allows 1 account. I have 4 esims that I use for travel abroad to visit family. Won’t ever lose one again and I can transfer them via Bluetooth or QR code…
@@ReginaldBowie The best part is if the phone gets stolen there is no eSIM to be compromised.😁😁
@@ReginaldBowie except if you have more than one device you cant change sim whenever you want like I can now.
Wondered why this video disappeared and got privated! Glad it’s back! 😻
Probably didn’t perform since it is back with a different name, could be push notifs though
International travel is what annoys me about this. Yes, it’s fine in the US, but it makes it much harder (or impossible) to pick up a local plan when traveling, depending on the market.
there are BT/USB SIM adapters!
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Why is an adapter necessary when the SIM card tray prevented a work around from being needed in the first place?
No it doesn’t. I’m actually traveling overseas next month, so I’ve been actively looking into this. Turns out picking up an eSim for my destination is something I’ll be able to do from my phone in the airport (or anywhere else with wifi) without walking into a shop to buy a physical card. That’s a big bonus in my book when traveling to countries where there’s a language barrier. Not only are there companies whose entire business revolves around selling eSims to travelers (like Airalo and Holafly) through an app, but plenty of local carriers have jumped on this so you don’t have to use a middleman if you don’t want to.
@@xqueenfrostine Not every country uses eSim
Yes, I always use my Claro sim when in Honduras. And I got a sim in Columbia when on vacation. This is unacceptable!
I’m a nerd, I spend my free time watching hours of tech TH-cam instead of watching TV like whatever is going viral right now with dragons. I never cried about the headphone jack being gone, AirPods, work, great, actually, all Bluetooth headsets work really nicely. Never complained. The only people who have a right to complain are music producers I would say, but they have audio interfaces anyway so they don’t even realize the headphone jack they’re missing on their phone.
Hi there, ☝️ if I may^^, there might’ve been some to add… like the perspective of the content creator over the message delivery of the news, likewise the viewers perspective… “like they say, the more you know, more you are likely to understand”. That being said, what else are we missing? Maybe 🤔 more or nothing at all.
Anyone that spends watch hours of anything is a Basement nerd, just saying.
There isn't much difference between Tv couch & Phone stuck one's LoL just saying.
Ppl don’t really use audio interfaces on phones much. Where it really makes no sense is the iPad. There is so much empty space in every iPad model they could’ve fit like 4 headphone jacks 🤣
Lol….. I still prefer the wired connection even tho I’m not a music producer!!
I do not use headphones outside the house. I only put my headphones when I listen or watch something in peace in my house.
Because of that the wire is not an issue for me.
So why should I like wireless? I don't want to buy new headphones every few years because the battery went bad. I don't want to have one more thing I must remember to charge. My wired headphones are basically immortal I even washed them with soap. Not the case for this flimsy wireless ones.
Wired sound still sounds better also.
I think the rest of the world Europe Asia and Africa still have a regular sim because they’re a lot more likely to swap them out frequently. We’re pretty isolated in the USA. But for other parts of the world they’re a lot more likely to cross borders into other countries frequently and have a need to change up their sim to match the region they’re in. We can travel to any state we want too with the same sim but that’s probably not the case when our states are comparable to their separate countries.
I had to turn in my iPhone 12 Pro recently for repairs and popped the sim out and put it in a temp iPhone for the time it took until my phone was ready for pick up (3 days). So with esim, are we just without our phone number/data plan until are phone comes back (sometimes up to 2 weeks) or is there a way to transfer the esim back and forth as needed?
You can transfer the eSIM by just activating your carrier using your phone number and your carrier log in credentials. It’s super easy.
@@allanknudsen1059 not easier than changing a sim card, who remembers carrier log credentials?
@@ftghb every person who uses paperless billing, which is most likely the majority of users, remember their login credentials……
Nobody ever complained about the Apple Watch using eSIM.
@@allanknudsen1059 thanks so much for the information. I really appreciate it. I figured it would be easy I just didn’t know how. Now I’m not so worried about switch from my 12 Pro to the 14 Pro. Thanks again!
I was ready to order a 14 pro then watched a video about eSim and discovered I would not be able to get a local card in a number of places I visit so trying to decide on a trip to Canada so I can get the physical SIM card.
Which country is that? Most countries have esim providers (North Korea is an exception).
@@Andyhandle not every country. My country only has 1 eSim carrier and it’s the most expensive carrier out there
@@wifine1951 which one is that, out of curiosity. I can see more providers going down this route.
Tbh I think physical sims are going to be seen as a relic from the past - it’s so dumb to have something physical tied to your phone # when you think about it
Im a travel technician and would really hate not being able to buy a local sim card to avoid roaming prices currently Working in Taiwan and doing this couldnt imagine trying to explaine this at a phone Carrier Down here
Do it online before you go. I searched ten countries and found all had eSIM support, which you could buy online, so you do not have to waste time searching when you arrive.
I simply not sure about the move to straight eSim. I like the control of being able to switch things when needed. What will happen if the eSim becomes corrupted, or what happens if the phone needs a factory reset? My first experience with an eSim was not positive and created more headache then ease. I am still skeptical at this time and reserve my comments for later.
This is NOT about progress it's about control. What if something happens to my main phone and I want to switch to my backup phone? That can't be done now with the new iPhone. This is NOT a nerd issue either. What if the phone I'm switching to doesn't have eSim? What if carriers charge to switch phones? Even if they don't, we shouldn't HAVE to call the carrier to do something so simple as switching SIMs.
Apple has spoken. It's over.
Did this video get reposted?
UPDATE: If you are considering getting the Canadian model which has a SIM tray, note that you will NOT be able to use it with Verizon (hard or eSIM). This is because Verizon uses IMEI whitelisting and the IMEI of your Canadian phone is not in their list of valid IMEIs. When checking the IMEI it will tell you that "your device is not compatible with our network" which is not technically true---the iPhone 14 or iPhone 14 Pro from Canada has almost identical radio specs as the US model (yeah it misses the millimeter 5G bands, but who cares), so this is just a Verizon admin issue. SIMS and eSIMS from T-Mobile and AT&T work just fine in the Canadian model.
Same with an LG G7 on T-Mobile. Phone worked on my roaming SIM on the SAME T-Mobile network, but vanilla T-Mobile.. ? Nope. IMEI blocking in effect
Really?! Wow so Verizon is going back to the way things were before LTE....*sigh....
as a EU customers, i wish we would have choose the one without sim tray , Esim are here since the 1st Apple Watch and every carrier at least in France supports it , i use double Esim and even sometimes delete one to transfert it to another iPhone, and i never got issues... the only issue i see is if it's possible to transfert a Esim to an android via bluetooth , cos it's an option on iPhones too .
I love how the topic transition from missing sim tray to an ad the same breath... 😂 I got bamboozled... 😂
"so beloved that we were willing to use the metric system for it" two zingers in one! hahahaha
Removing Sim tray is a real inconvenience for me
Why?
@@melgross some ppl actually might leave the US to Asian countries where esim is not supported
@@benjiman818 that’s true. But you can get an esim from several companies that work internationally. I agree that it’s more hassle in China which doesn’t yet support it, but most everywhere supports is either there, or coming.
I live outside the USA in the Caribbean more specifically and I cannot purchase a 14 because of the no sim tray shenanigans. I’m upsettttt
I held off getting the iPhone 14 because of this. I like to be able to switch between my Pixel and iPhone.
Grad one outside of the US, canada still have the SIM tray
@@TJCCBR47 How much you want to bet every US carrier shuts down all the SIM cards to force you to use eSIM?
That is really a last-century way of moving between phones. Apple's eSIM will allow you, through an app, setting or website, just to flit between numbers without the hassle of swapping SIMs in and out. Welcome to the 21st century; the SIM card has no place here.
@@andyH_England nah, just another way for them to track you.
The removal of the sim tray has made it very difficult for people outside of the US to purchase the new IPHONE. Apple should have at least catered for those customers coming to the US who want to purchase the new IPHONE & need the sim tray.
Choice is what I prefer. I can't stand apples stance forcing obsolescence. No usb c, no 3.5, no sim now. If it weren't for the ecosystem I would go back to Sony.
The people who say that the removal of the sim slot adds extra battery are literally brain dead.
I mean it theoretically would yes, that’s just logical, idk why you feel the need to be weird about it
@@juliet4093 They only removed the sim slot in North America which means the iPhone 14's in other continents comes with the sim slot. Clearly there was no real benefit gained in internal storage for removing it.
@@JAMA1998 speaking in facts 🤠
@@JAMA1998 exactly , they just removed a feature for the US market lol.
Thanks…I enjoyed your thoughts. I appreciate your viewpoint. Blessings on your day 👍🏻
Apple ultimate goal is to delete everything. Including the screen so we’re walking around with a slim brick with an apple logo on it
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was thinking that Apple might remove the lighting port but instead they removed the SIM card reader. 🤔
Hahaha, and the cycle continues. After months/weeks of guessing and "leaks", the product is officially announced. Enter the bashing of new features. Soon we will have the unboxing video's, reviews, then round two of bashing "what Apple didn't tell us", followed by the "x-months later" reviews, after which the guessing game for the iPhone 15 will begin. That being said, this channel is one of the few I stick to, because here at least you get a substantiated opinion. Not like many other channels that tell anything just to get views.
You just wrote every thrash wanna be tech youtuber’s schedule every year 🤣🤣🤣
Just remembered we’re not gonna have a SIM slot… boy is making reviews for the channel gonna be interesting this year 😅😬 Love the videos Rene! 👍🏽
I order a no-carrier iPhone 14, do I need to convert to e-sim before or contact AT&T?
Of all the iPhones I’ve ever owned, not once have I had to swap a sim. Guess I’m not a nerd 🤓
Swapping Sim cards have absolutely nothing to do with being a Nerd. More people with a severe lack of intelligence swaps sim cards more often than Nerds. Nerds are rare in today's world.
@@tech4life884 I agree. I was just parroting Rene.
And you probably don't travel outside the US.
@@ArbitraryFilmings I assume there is a new process; as Apple has said you can register up to 8 eSIMs. Maybe, rather than thinking negative, wait for the release and then decide whether Apple has implemented it well. We can all sit at our PC and whine about the possible negatives of everything in life, but some of us wait for facts and then make an unbiased thought-out conclusion.
@@andyH_England apple isnt the one to hedge your bets on. carriers are.
and everyone who works in telecom knows it's not ready for primetime. the entire user experience does not have parity with the physical SIM card in acquiring, transferring, and speed by which it takes to get a phone up and running on a cell network.
this isnt pessimism over a product, it's speculation of an existing experience. apple can make the transferring of eSIM as painless as possible but it still wont stop the issues from the carrier side of things.
No SIM is a dealbreaker for me. I travel, for work, where e-SIM is only supported for people with POSTPAID contracts accounts. That doesn’t work for people who travel in and out of countries on short term basis.
Airalo
In UK you can convert eSim to physical one and vise versa anytime for free. Is this not the case in the US?
If YOU buy a phone with no SIM slot or headphone jack or whatever else you need or miss... *WHO's fault is that?*
I've never met a actual Nerd who called themselves a Nerd. This is a first. Nerd is a word used by someone else to broadcast an individuals intelligence. Wouldn't calling yourself a Nerd be considered conseided?.
For sure.
When someone calls someone else a nerd it is usually used to insult them.
I am for it, but: I didn't know how terrible the current e-sim implementation is.
I thought it was like a wifi password in a qr code. So no issue switching devices, just scan the qr code again.
Now I had to learn: that's not the case at all. You need to contact your carrier. It can be as simple as a button press in an app that automatically configures it; but it can also mean that the carrier charges you for device switching and it can take a few business days until you get it per mail.
That's... disappointing.
I honestly dream of a future, where people don't have a home internet connection anymore. Just a mobile contract wich allows ~5 devices and then your tv, notebook, tablet, car ~ all just take an esim and you are done. No more router, wifi or infrastructure for a private person to maintain.
Yeah, it can work like a charm and you get the QR code within seconds and transfer number in no time between carriers and devices. But it can be expensive and lengthy process as well. It is not the fault of Apple nor eSIM itself though.
Ios 16 supports Bluetooth esim transfer
Is it the same as the physical SIM or there are some problems while lets say talking on the phone..etc sth like loosing signal or sth else ??
Doesn’t a carrier charge even if you pay in full for your iPhone $35. Verizon and ATT do I believe. Is there a way around this?
I paid for my phone in full and called att to get activation fee waived
Losing the physical SIM card slot may be a little annoying for people switching to the iPhone 14, but it was bound to happen sooner or later.
When Apple released the MacBook Air with no optical drive in 2008, people were annoyed, because software was distributed on CDs and DVDs back then. Nowadays, software is rarely distributed on optical media. Even the PlayStation and Xbox have digital-only models now. We will look back on physical SIM cards the same way we look at DVDs now.
Whether you use a USB stick or a DVD you are doing the same thing. So we still have USB sticks.
eSim is again another point of control and removing all choice. Is quite different.
This isn't about putting a little Sim inside a phone or not. This is about locking you in and controlling you. Governments probably also want this, easier to track people that can't change Sim cards.
I agree that it was going to happen sooner or later but why have Apple chosen to do it in the US only. Is it a trial to see how well it goes?
Exactly its about control. The SIM card hasnt been really used to store contacts, SMS or data since smartphones got massive amounts of storage but its a physical piece of mind and security@@SIPEROTH
"so beloved Americans were actually willing to use the metric system." Lol. Fact.
I am using 11pro max. It does not let me use two esim at the same time; one must be the physical sim.
What about if I want to use two esim simultaneously by disabling the physical sim? Is it possible 14 pro max?
The problem of eSIM is the lack of support(disdain) from big tech apps and services across the board, you can't get verified or even be accepted for creating accounts for almost anything.. I have one for travel and I can't even subscribe to the free tiers in entertainment apps when phone # is mandatory. I guess all this comes about because of burner phones.
It took 24 hours for my esim on my Apple Watch to activate, and they had trouble activating my esim on my iPhone 13 pro max. Luckily I still have a SIM card tray, so that worked of course. This no SIM card tray thing is going to be a nightmare, guaranteed.
I don’t think it will be an issue. Also keep in mind that the carrier is involved with the activation as well. If they are experiencing issues that can delay an activation.
My guess is the only issues with activation for most Carrie’s will be due to increase traffic over the launch period (today and tomorrow) and be back on par… assuming people have issues at all.
I’ll find out later today I suppose because that’s when I get my 14 pro max. Im already on Esim with my 13 pro max so hopefully 🤞 it’s a quick transition
@@smittycal the Esim will be a nightmare specially if you use multiple devices if you go from iPhone to android.
@@joeyreidelbach5509 that’s something to consider, but that’s not something that Apple is worried about to be honest.
They want to make sure you can move from iPhone to iPhone easily and will offer up to 8 Esim on the new iPhone 14s.
They will just call it a selling point lol.
But yeah if you have an android phone then your last iPhone might just be the 13 likes or earlier.
@@smittycal of course, apple wants to make sure that you are lock into the apple ecosystem. The problem I have is that I own a 13 pro max, flip 3, fold 2 and a note 20 ultra that I go back in forth with.
@@joeyreidelbach5509 well all of those phones support esim as well. It’s honestly on the carrier as far as how “easy” it is to activate between them.
But if it acts like older CDMA phones it should be pretty easy since the activation is set up from inside the phone cellular settings.
It's not just nerds that like or want or need SIMs and there's no reason we can't have both - the last iPhones have shown that and the current international iPhones prove that. There are too many scenarios where SIM, and not eSIM, is the right answer for this not to be a regression, ranging from carrier support to travel to faulty phones to dropped phones to a hundred edge cases.
Going back into time the advantage of the GSM system when introduced was that there was a SIM card. Old analog mobiles were set up by the phone company and locked you in. With simcards, we could swap out, when travelling buy a local sim, alter the setup of phones if we have multiple devices. We. already had the ultimate solution with an e sim and physical SIM card option in the iPhone 11 and later. In Australia we still have this thank goodness. If you want e-sim you have it if not put in a SIM card. Not all the world is the first world. In our region many countries still have local SIM cards to insert and give max convenience. Many people in SE Asia still frequently travel between countries they need simcard convenience . I can see the large US phone conglomerates will be very happy with this development. My advice to people in North America...import a compatible foreign iPhone which still has simcard as well as e-sim compatibility.
I promise you 100% you will also be getting esim only at some point there too.
So a question !! Wouldn't esim only sort of deter phone thieves, i dont know the technicalities but i can imagine it can be easier to track,if stolen ??
I am in the EU, I have used e-sim for the past 2 years. It is so much better than swapping out the SIMs. I am never worried about losing this tiny little chip. Also, I didn't have to wait to receive my SIM I could use it instantly. The email thing is spot on!
eSIM and physical SIMS are both avail at once , solution solved
Lol…… the esim works great but the physical sim is better in many cases and you can have it directly from the supplier no need to wait for a mail!
@@alanmay7929 false, physical sim orders online comes with regular mail, and that all depends on how well you are serviced. Could take a week, easily.
@@unauthac1193 lol…… it depends on which Carrier or which country……. It could also take way less than a week and for some people it’s still better to have physical sim since the phone already has one Esim integrated.
I have an Iphone 14 Pro on order. I have been upgrading every 2 years since the 4. I am sad that going to the 14 Pro will mean that I can likely never use any of my older iphones ever again. I did like to swap from my 12 Pro to my Iphone 8 when I did long 100 mile endurance bike races. The smaller phone just fits better in the toptube bag of my gravel and/or mountain bike.
Ultra watch solves this issue
You can , with iOS 16… transfer the line to another phone and back !! Really easy too
You realize you can always buy or get a sim card for free from your carrier, right? You also realize you can disable your cellular service in the settings if you need to use your physical SIM on another phone, right? It's not a big deal. Finally, you realize you can always use your other phones in WIFI mode and have them all ring at the same time and answer on your favorite one, right?
This is not an issue. There are plenty of workarounds, and most are far better.
Use iOS 16 on your older phone and try out the Bluetooth esim transfer
Esim is a problem for me because i like to switch back and forth between ios and android. At&t wont let me do that is been a pain.
Great lighting on this one Rene 👏
Since in China the 3 biggest carriers (a huge market for Apple), made clear that they don't have plans to bring the eSIM anytime soon, Apple will always have physical sim models. In fact many parts of the world still can't implement this tech yet.
They can they just won't
@@KEYBEATZ And Apple will ensure they will.
@@aninditabasak7694 nope too many people too many manufacturers too many potential sales there. They'll get their way
Didn't I see this already?
Phone store.
We gonna sell you the phone, make you pay to activate a sim, and if you try to get an esim we're going to charge you twice.
I travel to Central America a lot . I usually just get a Tigo SIM card and putting in my phone while I’m there the whole trip 😳🤦🏻♀️. I le regret pre ordering the 14 pro max .
Same for me I travel to Central America very often I have both Tigo and claro SIM cards and the reason I bay my iPhones from the Apple Store is because it is unlocked and I have the freedom to swap cards as I want or need, with eSim that freedom is gone, I am that guy who gets the new iPhone every year but this year is not longer the case I will keep my 13 pro and hope Central American get in the game with eSim support at some point.
Last year with my iPhone 13 pro that I got as part of the apple upgrade program. It was sent activated on my carrier via Esim no physical SIM card even though the phone had a SIM card try. It worked fine for me never had to contact my Carrier. I’m guessing them activating via esim was overall successful that they were confident to make the move in the US.
Apple is just being Apple as usual. Before it was:
-No more Headphone jack
-No more Home button
-No more Fingerprints sensor
-No more Chargers in the box
And now:
-No more Physical Sim
I guess next time there won’t be any charging port and we’ll be forced to do Magsafe charging. They’ll probably do that once they’ll figure out the how to on fast charging wirelessly. Since current wireless charging is sooo slow. And as usual those who mock Apple for doing things will follow them anyway. 🤷♀️ You have to admit, Apple is their role model when it comes to pushing/forcing consumers to adopt to newer things. Coz Apple always have something else to sell you in exchange. And the other companies couldn’t believe they haven’t thought about it.
Apple sells consumers or their “solutions “:
-Airpods (no jack)
-Gesture navigation (no home button)
-Face ID (no fingerprints sensors)
-Separate Charger (extra money for them and save money for shipping since boxes are smaller now)
-Esims
That's exactly what I thought. The day they present a faster Magsafe charger, something like "this is the new Magsafe Pro and now it has a 30 W wireless charge speed, the fastest wireless charge ever for an iPhone" that will be the day the new iPhone will become portless.
@@rolasleyva8602 EXACTLY
Yeah me too
My one worry about eSIM is what happens when I visit another country? My family takes a trip to Mexico every year, will I immediately loose cellular service for the duration of my stay?
This is why 14s outside the us and Canada will still have a simmslot
Here's a real life situation in my country. The poor here make a living by selling SIM cards and the telcoms are reluctant to release esim cards, especially during this time of poor economic conditions. It's not technical problem for them and they could do it 4 years ago, but it will wipe out the source of income for these small business owners instantly. So, do we progress technologically and sacrifice these people?
I fail to see what e exactly makes it a progress. Why do we assume that eradicating anything physical is more advanced or works better?
I get removing the physical sim and the tray removes one ingress point for damage or failure. I think it’s a cool move. But I am also one that travels often. I like knowing that I can pop in a sim on the cheap when I travel and don’t have to worry too much about expensive data when roaming.
But now when I travel at least for the next 2 years, I’m sure carriers are going to price eSim plans high as they know for sure that the ones asking for this are customers with an expensive phone and this might be their only option.
So better waterproofing for the next 2 years, but at a slight increase in data roaming for a few months… I really hope all cellular carriers and phone manufacturers adopt this fast so the prices stabilize sooner than later
I am using iphone 14 pro max 256 gb and using esim too but never had any kinds of range problem till now.
I got an esim for the first time a couple months ago …. The initial setup process was annoying but I can’t tell the difference…
Looked up the process of switching phones and it seems they’re linked to iCloud accounts … don’t care for that but it is what it is …
Reupload?
right? or did he mention anything else different?
eSIM is likely the way of the future . However, the likes of Apple and Samsung don’t only sell devices in the US. In developing countries, infrastructure for eSIMs is just not at the level that it is in so-called first world countries. In many parts of the developing world, feature phones are still a reality. At the same time, for affordability reasons, having multiple SIM cards that people can easily swap between carriers and devices is another big reality. Once again, Apple, as it did with the 3.5mm headphone jack, has taken something away in the name of ‘progress’ that only serves a select segment of the population and is likely to have big cost implications on the majority
Most countries have esim these days, there's a list of you search for esim world. North Korea is an exception
I guess we have to wait for the ifix it tear down - but the physical tray is gone? Or just they are not shipping sims with it? I have 12.9 iPad Pro with a physical tray but it was shipped to me with esim activated
I have a phone that has a sim and esim is STILL ruining my ability to use the phone.
Notifications to configure and activate the esim i swear literally every hour on the hour now.
And when these notifications happen,all sim function stops,no ability to make or receive calls or send or receive texts.
If data is on before hand it will literally say i don't have any available.
Worst part,no ability to turn this notification off,no toggle to only use my physical sim available.
I don't have iPhone
I come from a country of international travellers. It’s not just geeks who are affected. This change has a meaningful impact
Until they bring the sim version (if they ever do) to the US I'll just stick with my 12ProMax. eSim doesn't sound bad and has its benefits but, part of the tech worldwide for eSim isn't fully adopted in some markets. Apple could had waited till the 15 to do this but 🤷🏾♂️.
For the vast majority of markets, unless they are pushed to eSIM, they will not bother. So, as with most new tech, software and hardware, some company has to push hard to get the ball rolling. Or could we just sit on our hands hoping in 20-30 years' time, eSIMs will be more popular?
Yeah, this is why I'm sticking with my 12ProMax as well. Was hoping to upgrade, but using physical SIM cards and having international numbers are a must for me.
@@andyH_England I feel that 2024 or 2025 could had been the major shift for the full start of eSim, but knowing apple they like to push things a little bit earlier then scheduled
@@MsKittyCruz same here
@@andyH_England And why is it even important to go to eSim? It offers zero benefit and probably will cause a lot more issues with cloud services, carrier contacts and charges etc etc.
What is so difficult about putting a little chip in your device?
I recently learned the hardware that eSIM is FARRRR from being stable enough for common usage. If you need an iPhone with slots, the Chinese models specifically keep SIM card slots.
remember when Sprint and Verizon didn't use sim card? People were upset that you couldn't keep your phone whiile switching between CDMA and GSM.
You are all to young to remember that in the US we had something called CDMA vs GSM. Carriers like Verizon. Sprint, and US Cellular were CDMA which meant just like an eSIM once they had you if was difficult to switch & fees incurred. While most of the rest of the world used GSM it had a Physical SIM card that could be swapped to a different carrier uocked phone effortlessly and zero fees. Fast forward to Apples eSIM & I as a world traveler as others see this as a HUGE mistake. I find it strange that Apple has become what they fought against in their 1984 commercial and against Google Don't be evil.
I'm old enough to remember CDMA vs. GSM. I'm also a world traveller so I will miss the simplicity of simply inserting a different SIM card in every different country I'm in. It was hassle free.
Now I'm keeping my 12ProMax, and perhaps I might even get my friends overseas to buy me a 14ProMax. They will have the physical SIM trays.
@@MsKittyCruz Same here. I work and live in HK that the 14/14 pro comes with 2 physical sim cards! I have 16 orders from friends and relatives for this model!
Yes this is CDMA all over again. I actually used to make a lot of money by "flashing" phones from one cdma carrier to the another. Like from Sprint to Cricket.
This esim thing just gives the carriers control over your device. Even if it's unlocked.
@@MsKittyCruz I like how you guys despite all you don't even consider not buying Apple. 🤦♂️
@@SIPEROTH I use a pixel 6 and iPhone 8 plus. I don't even like iPhones. I just keep a cheap one as a secondary phone to iMessage & FaceTime family, and to accept apple payments.
Last year, I upgraded from an 11 to a 12 (5G) and when I received the phone, I couldn’t get it to work with the included SIM, so I swapped in my old one (4G). And didn’t know I didn’t have 5G capability until I called in to AT&T for some other reason that I don’t recall now. The representative told me there was a SIM card mismatch. I said, well I know why, but what’s the big deal. That’s when I learned a few things. Swapping SIM cards isn’t as simple as it used to be and the tech on the phone does have the ability (inadvertently) to brick your phone in the middle of the call. I had to resort to a Google phone number and my MacBook to get the problem fixed after escalating the problem to a qualified and experienced AT&T SIM card tech. I’m glad they’re gone!
I got an iPhone 12 from work and blindly put my old SIM into it, no problems. I've recently wondered if there was a new SIM in the box, as I have never seen the 5G indicator - only LTE or 3G. I need to search my (physical) desktop to see if there's a new SIM somewhere.
who are these shills...
In Canada, we cannot swap eSims in & out. can we? I though one use and out??
E Sim seems like you have to keep Calling to switch or Swap Carriers which can be annoying if they’re going to do this than they need to make it easy without calling the Carrier or at least have on Settlngs or an App to easily Swap
I would've liked Apple to offer physical SIM models in NA/US as an option instead of forcing everyone to work around the problem they are creating with eSIM. Most people would not care and so eSIM-only could be the dfeault option. Considering the number of people who really need that physical slot is significantly lower than everyone else, Apple could get away with limited quantities of the physical SIM model. It can be frustrating dealing with how Apple transitions technologies. Like pushing ProRes and ProRaw so hard, yet sticking with Lightning, a USB 2.0 interface. We know they will update the Lightnig port or eliminate it soon. But Apple will just keep making people deal with it until they have thier "perfect" solution. Urgh. Irritating.
Switched from Apple to Android from time to time. Will stay with Android moving forward!
Over a SIM card? Why is this so important?
Not trolling, serious question.
@@Queldonus 1:15
I live in a fairly advanced country ((Ireland) and I wanted an eSim and a physical sim and the eSim is not available here yet. What happens when I go to Africa or somewhere else and want a local sim on vacation?
My phones have always had two SIM card slots, and more recently eSIM as well. This is useful when traveling to Asia, & the Americas. I still get my home country SMS and voice if needed, but my phone will use the foreign SIM (or eSIM) by default for all data and voice while I'm out traveling. Makes my life easier.
I want a SIM card so I can stick my work SIM in my new phone without involving, or worrying about, or fighting with, corporate IT. I expect I am not authorized to swap to an eSIM, and corporate IT often doesn't want to deal with outliers, so I could be out of luck without a SIM slot. I've checked the Canadian specs and the AR model a few times since last week to re-confirm my new phone has a SIM slot as I've read various reports of Canadian models being eSIM only (which has caused me some anxiety).
I mean you could always just hold on to your current phone or switch to an android while you wait for this to become the norm with all phones and then your job will be forced to adapt, just like many companies had to adapt to the headphone jack being removed.
As someone who has to kinda manage work-related phones and SIM cards for employees, eSIMs would become a total PITA. These phones change owners a lot.
How so? Esims are easier to switch out. Takes about 14 seconds
Once you do your reading up and understand how eSIMs work, then it should be a breeze.
OK, so I've been exclusively using eSIMs since 2020. I still think this is a bad move. Why? The carriers worldwide have very different way of implementing this. My Ukrainian eSIM, just needs to be removed from old phone and scanned in the new phone to be transferred. My Indian eSIM requires a multi-step registration procedure, which involves getting a new QR code for new phone, but also requires access to both old and new phone to do so. My Russian eSIM requires a visit to store in Russia to regenerate new one (for this reason I stuck with physical SIM for Russia). Some eSIMs need an app to provision, sometimes those apps are not available in your country or origin and you need to visit the store in another country.
Now imagine a traveller, who has multiple eSIMs from multiple countries where those numbers are important, linked to bank accounts, etc. and has to buy a new phone.
if I get a Canadian version, will it have a SIM card slot?