Currently riding a 143 specialized power and its giving me a bit of jip, im looking at the tempo in 150(as its the narrowest) do you happen to know how wide the tempo is edge to edge? Im assuming the 150 refers to the sit bone position but not 100% sure. Thx, great video... Very informative as the other commentators have mentioned 👍👍
Another miraculous saddle. Confy has barely to do with saddles. That's what brands want you to believe. The secret is on your muscles (plexus), physiognomy, flexibility and mobility by one side and correct position of the saddle and crenk lenght.
Always great content - I stick with Arione (R3 Open - I bought for my new VanRysel EDR AF Centaur + R5 K:Sium on my Orbea Zonal AF 2003 bike). What I prefer on bike are long stems (130 to 150 mm or longer due to relativly short legs) with Maes-Style handlebars (Deda Deep/Anatomic + 3T Tormova). Btw, great video about bar tape - Thank You.
I like the argo for riding without bibshorts. But when i put my cycling kit on the saddle no longer fits my sitbones. The back area of the argos is too wide imo. Selle Italia slr boost is my main saddle.
Debossed 👍 Thanks for the lesson! I just got into the Fizik world as my S Works toupe saddle is discontinued. I found that the Antares vento 00 is almost similar, it suits my body well. Thanks for explaining all the different types, as you almost have to have a degree to understand their logic if you’re not familiar with Fizik. I bought mine by eye and was lucky it fits very well. I’ve tried a power saddle once and I had to learn how to walk again afterwards hahaha.
Glad I could help! And yes you are right, all the different saddles seems needlessly complicated. 😉 I’m happy you found one that works! Safe cycling. 🙏🏻
As the Specialized Power is getting more expensive overtime (I'm reluctant to recommend even the Power Comp to others, the very saddle I'm using now when it wasn't as expensive as it is today, unless they're burning a hole in their wallet), I'm considering to get the Argo for my second build or any mid-priced short-nose saddle that fits me.
At the 17 minute mark…. I believe you meant riders with wider sit bones versus narrower…. I am 235lbs and ride the adaptive versions and also comfortable ride 127 WTB Sl8s…. Maybe I am an exception…. Still, great video..
At the 17 minute mark I’m talking about rider weight. As far as I can tell I did not mean to talk about sit bones at that stage, but I do mention sit bones in other parts of the video. 🙂👍🏻
Great video! I’m Having a second go at the tempo r5 in a 150. I have 12..5-13 sit bones. Originally I tried the 160 but ended up having trouble with it feeling so wide. I struggle with a lot of numbness issues. I will try -2 at the nose and try this out. Any advice is welcome or if you have any advice for chronic numbness it’s appreciated. And yes I’ve been to multiple bike fitters :) cheers
Thank you kindly. I’m not sure I follow your measurements? But I don’t think it’s something I can honestly recommend without seeing you myself. It could be a number of factors. The only thing I can recommend is doing be afraid to try a different fit on your bike, it might be something simple like your lay back or saddle hight? 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 sorry for the weird measurements. I mean 12.5cm sit bones. The tempo r5 is super slippery. Are any of the others stickier? How would I know if the 150 tempo is too wide? Thank u
Didn't like this saddle that much. It was comfortable, but the bat wing design will rub your legs and make you come forward on the saddle which leads to saddle sores. You also have to tilt it way downward which also leads to sores. It's a good solid aggressive position on the bike though.
@@aleksanderkawinski7366 Ryet 150mm 3d printed saddle. Only 30 dollars same shape and 3D printed top. I'd go for the 143mm Bucklos 3D printed saddle instead. It's a copy of the specialized shape it's a little better shape for road riding.
Really useful video, especially the guide on what part to use as the reference for mounting horizontally. I have a question regarding widths. I’m buying a Tempo Argo R5 (no local shop option unfortunately). My sit bones are 121mm centre-to-centre but Fizik’s ‘saddle finder’ stubbornly seems to refuse ever suggesting Tempos 🙄 so I’m left uncertain 150 vs 160. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated 🙂
Thank you. Yes because the Tempo is wide and you have very narrow sit bones. So I’d follow the advice for getting a Vento. However I’d also advise on buying the cheapest one (R5) just in case you don’t like it. Better to try before you buy if possible. 👍🏻🙂
@@reginaldscot165 thank you. That’s interesting as I thought 120-ish was fairly ‘common’ (for want of a better word). I’ll have a look at the Vento (for which the Saddle Finder recommends the wider 150mm model, of its 140mm/150mm options). Note though that even if I enter 190mm sit bone width (max in the finder) the same width and model saddles are consistently recommended. 150/155 widths dependent on models, but Tempo Argo *never* suggested (eveb of trying dozens of false self-description options)… makes me wonder if the finder is flawed perhaps.
@@reginaldscot165 Our tiny bike pump, it is perfect for on-the-go. What’s your IG account? I’ll send you the product link-sorry for the delay, I like your content so much!
Hahaha edited my comment before I saw your reply but again, lovely to find your channel. And would love to visit your shop when I come back home to Brunei.
@reginaldscot165 no, the stress is on the first syllable " phi-".. it is the convention in the International Phonetic Alphabet. The stress mark ' is used after the stressed vowel in dictionaries etc. It has nothing to do with the meaning in this instance. Physic, physique and physics are all different words from the same origin.😉
@@peterwillson1355 it is the phonetic spelling of someone’s physique. You use the normal pronunciation for that word. And I was told as much when I visited the factory in Italy. However, if you want to get the company way of saying it correct it’s best to contact them. 👍🏻🙂 PS your first comment was incorrect. I corrected you. Stop digging. 😉
Superb and very informative. Thank you. I’m considering an investment in a cut open Fizik. I’m riding an R3 Aliante at the moment with some pressure building up in my never-regions. But before I splash out. Do people drop the nose forward 2 degrees to provide similar relief as to what a cut out provides?
Thank you kindly! Yes I’d try everything first to make your saddle work before buying something else. (Maybe consider a flatter saddle? What’s your flexibility like? The Aliante tends to be for less flexible people?) I drop my saddle 2 degrees tip down. (Use a digital level app on your phone to check) this is because I have an aggressive fit on my bike, I’m low at the front and if my saddle was flat it would press into my “soft bits.” 😂 But I find with most fits I do the majority of people have 1 or 2 or sometimes even 3 degrees of tip down to feel comfortable. Again, it’s very dependent on your overall posture on the bike. I’d recommend experimenting, make sure you test it. If it feels good the true test is a 70km+ test. I find that 70km is about as far as your body can adapt to a bad position before it gives up, if you have no pain by 70km you have a decent fit for most day to day riding. If you go looking for a new saddle try before you buy or buy as cheap as possible (second hand if you can get it) so that you don’t waste money before you know what works for you. When I found my perfect saddle (the Arione) it was like the clouds parted and light from heaven beamed down on me! 😂😇
@@reginaldscot165 thanks for the advise, I have now just tilted it 1.5 degrees down as measured on my iPhone app. Fingers crossed it works. Flexibility …. I have none! Ha ha. I am a definite Bull in both physique and in “Fizik speech”.
Would be interested in what will work for you. Using Aliante R3 Open, did some very long rides on it, but didn't manage to reproduce the fit when I swapped bikes. When I had issues, it was numbness too, but very minor, indicating that tiny adjustments are worth it. Switching between Specialized Power and Aliante now. The Aliante with minor numbness, The power with minor seat bone pain. Wonder if any Argo type may be best of both worlds, or maybe SLR Boost Endurance
@@reginaldscot165 I’m new to the sport, I’m a heavy boned tall lad who currently using a schwinn indoor trainer. I struggle with numbness and crotch pain usually around the 30 minute mark. I have invested in thick foam and gel seats and found no help whatsoever. I’ll be trying the tempo out and like you said, will try dropping the nose to get some relief. It was a very helpful video!
The saddle I’m using is a selle Italia gel flow, it’s massive and I’m starting to think it’s counterintuitive to what I actually need. Would love to hear your thoughts?
Don’t blame the saddle, blame the system you used to buy it. That saddle will work fine for the right person. What you need to do it: use the fit system, take advice from the shop keeper/bike fitter and try before you buy. 🙂👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 agreed. That's exactly what I did.. After my bike fit that was the saddle for suggested for me. Just to be clear the guy has no association with fizik he actually has with prolog. So I originally came from the standard Scott saddle that comes with the addict, I had tryed the selle Italia slr, then went with fizik, then Sqlabs 612 and finally tryed and kept the bontrager aeolus. It's not perfect still but it is a very comfy saddle. And I also have to say that the build quality of both bontrager and sqlabs is above fizik.. That's just my take, I'm sure there's an ass for every saddle 😁cheers
@@reginaldscot165 Of course it is the saddles fault if it is painful ! - everyone's sit bone placement is different - I got recommended an amazing [so a TH-cam bike fit specialist influencer said] the SQ Labs 924 - worst ride of my life.... - just have to try one that suits your physiology. Eventually got the perfect one for me - the Prologo Dimension NDR Tirox Rail Road MTB Triathlon Saddle, VL-1A26B, PR2020 - perfect !! Tried the Fizik's - didn't like them at all !
Why spend so much time explaining older saddles? Not really pertinent information. And, what’s up with the color. It keeps going from a very warm to very cool tone. It’s extremely distracting.
Because it helps explain the difference. Next time use the “Time stamps” to get to the part of the video you want. It’s a feature of auto focus of modern cameras. I never noticed it was that distracting. I’m afraid it’s just something that will effect your life. 😂
this was one of the most informative videos on Fizik, thank you for the detailed explanation
My pleasure! 😁❤️
Currently riding a 143 specialized power and its giving me a bit of jip, im looking at the tempo in 150(as its the narrowest) do you happen to know how wide the tempo is edge to edge? Im assuming the 150 refers to the sit bone position but not 100% sure. Thx, great video... Very informative as the other commentators have mentioned 👍👍
Another miraculous saddle. Confy has barely to do with saddles. That's what brands want you to believe. The secret is on your muscles (plexus), physiognomy, flexibility and mobility by one side and correct position of the saddle and crenk lenght.
Basically yes. 🙂👍🏻
Always great content - I stick with Arione (R3 Open - I bought for my new VanRysel EDR AF Centaur + R5 K:Sium on my Orbea Zonal AF 2003 bike). What I prefer on bike are long stems (130 to 150 mm or longer due to relativly short legs) with Maes-Style handlebars (Deda Deep/Anatomic + 3T Tormova). Btw, great video about bar tape - Thank You.
Thank you so much. Really appreciated. ❤️
Thanks, that's the best explanation I've seen online, including Fizik's own website.
Thank you and you are welcome. 👍🏻
I like the argo for riding without bibshorts. But when i put my cycling kit on the saddle no longer fits my sitbones. The back area of the argos is too wide imo. Selle Italia slr boost is my main saddle.
Interesting. glad you found a good saddle for you. 👍🏻🙂
Tempo of endurance and Vento for competition / racing. Thank you for that (and the rest of the great info)!
My pleasure 😇
Debossed 👍 Thanks for the lesson! I just got into the Fizik world as my S Works toupe saddle is discontinued. I found that the Antares vento 00 is almost similar, it suits my body well. Thanks for explaining all the different types, as you almost have to have a degree to understand their logic if you’re not familiar with Fizik. I bought mine by eye and was lucky it fits very well.
I’ve tried a power saddle once and I had to learn how to walk again afterwards hahaha.
Glad I could help! And yes you are right, all the different saddles seems needlessly complicated. 😉
I’m happy you found one that works! Safe cycling. 🙏🏻
As a person looking for a replacement saddle, possibly a Fizik one, this video is great!
Thank you! ❤️🙂
Sir is argo good for mountain bikes?
I do know 2 MTB guys who bought an Argo Tempo. They seem happy with it. 🙂🤷🏻♂️
As the Specialized Power is getting more expensive overtime (I'm reluctant to recommend even the Power Comp to others, the very saddle I'm using now when it wasn't as expensive as it is today, unless they're burning a hole in their wallet), I'm considering to get the Argo for my second build or any mid-priced short-nose saddle that fits me.
Why not. 🙂👍🏻
Great review. Also, we have Terra Argo variation, for gravel, which uses a type 2 foam, like tempo, but with a rounded nose.
Excellent! Thanks! 🙂🙏🏻
At the 17 minute mark…. I believe you meant riders with wider sit bones versus narrower…. I am 235lbs and ride the adaptive versions and also comfortable ride 127 WTB Sl8s…. Maybe I am an exception…. Still, great video..
At the 17 minute mark I’m talking about rider weight. As far as I can tell I did not mean to talk about sit bones at that stage, but I do mention sit bones in other parts of the video. 🙂👍🏻
Awesome! One of the more comprehensive saddle brand lineup comparison. Appreciate the additional personal opinions and common setups.
My pleasure! 🙂👍🏻
I’m riding on the fizik tempo Argo R-3, and I love it. Thank you so much for this overview!
Thanks that’s Lovely! 🙂👍🏻
Thanks. I want to try the tempo aliante r5 on my new steel gravel bike. Its a jungle to find the right one. I haven't tried fizik before.
Good luck! If you can try before you buy.
Very comprehensive guide. I learned a lot but I hope that there isn't a test!😂
No test and you can check your notes any time. 😁
I have the fizik aliante R3 on all my rides. Best saddle I've ever ridden in the last 55 years
Wonderful ❤️👍🏻
Great video! I’m Having a second go at the tempo r5 in a 150. I have 12..5-13 sit bones. Originally I tried the 160 but ended up having trouble with it feeling so wide. I struggle with a lot of numbness issues. I will try -2 at the nose and try this out. Any advice is welcome or if you have any advice for chronic numbness it’s appreciated. And yes I’ve been to multiple bike fitters :) cheers
Thank you kindly. I’m not sure I follow your measurements? But I don’t think it’s something I can honestly recommend without seeing you myself. It could be a number of factors. The only thing I can recommend is doing be afraid to try a different fit on your bike, it might be something simple like your lay back or saddle hight? 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 sorry for the weird measurements. I mean 12.5cm sit bones. The tempo r5 is super slippery. Are any of the others stickier? How would I know if the 150 tempo is too wide? Thank u
Didn't like this saddle that much. It was comfortable, but the bat wing design will rub your legs and make you come forward on the saddle which leads to saddle sores. You also have to tilt it way downward which also leads to sores. It's a good solid aggressive position on the bike though.
Thanks for the info!
What do you recommend to replace it?
@@aleksanderkawinski7366 Ryet 150mm 3d printed saddle. Only 30 dollars same shape and 3D printed top. I'd go for the 143mm Bucklos 3D printed saddle instead. It's a copy of the specialized shape it's a little better shape for road riding.
Really useful video, especially the guide on what part to use as the reference for mounting horizontally.
I have a question regarding widths. I’m buying a Tempo Argo R5 (no local shop option unfortunately). My sit bones are 121mm centre-to-centre but Fizik’s ‘saddle finder’ stubbornly seems to refuse ever suggesting Tempos 🙄 so I’m left uncertain 150 vs 160.
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated 🙂
Thank you.
Yes because the Tempo is wide and you have very narrow sit bones. So I’d follow the advice for getting a Vento. However I’d also advise on buying the cheapest one (R5) just in case you don’t like it. Better to try before you buy if possible. 👍🏻🙂
@@reginaldscot165 thank you. That’s interesting as I thought 120-ish was fairly ‘common’ (for want of a better word).
I’ll have a look at the Vento (for which the Saddle Finder recommends the wider 150mm model, of its 140mm/150mm options).
Note though that even if I enter 190mm sit bone width (max in the finder) the same width and model saddles are consistently recommended. 150/155 widths dependent on models, but Tempo Argo *never* suggested (eveb of trying dozens of false self-description options)… makes me wonder if the finder is flawed perhaps.
Hey, I'm Paula, representing FLEXTAIL, an outdoor brand. I'm super stoked to invite you to test one of our awesome products.
What products do you want tested? You can contact me via my IG. 👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 Our tiny bike pump, it is perfect for on-the-go. What’s your IG account? I’ll send you the product link-sorry for the delay, I like your content so much!
Hello! So happy to come across your video and channel. Would love to visit your shop when i come back home to Brunei.
Yes 👍🏻
Hahaha edited my comment before I saw your reply but again, lovely to find your channel. And would love to visit your shop when I come back home to Brunei.
El mejor vídeo explicando los nuevos sillines argo de Fizik. Muchas gracias!
You are so welcome 🙏🏻
Very informative. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!🙂
Great video! Thank you.
You are welcome! 🙂
will be back soon and another bike fit ahaha
Cool 😎
Im sorry, i cant stop myself: it's pronounced Physic, not physique...
Related to someone’s physique. If you look it up. It has nothing to do with physics. 😉
@reginaldscot165 no, the stress is on the first syllable " phi-".. it is the convention in the International Phonetic Alphabet. The stress mark ' is used after the stressed vowel in dictionaries etc. It has nothing to do with the meaning in this instance. Physic, physique and physics are all different words from the same origin.😉
@@peterwillson1355 it is the phonetic spelling of someone’s physique. You use the normal pronunciation for that word. And I was told as much when I visited the factory in Italy. However, if you want to get the company way of saying it correct it’s best to contact them. 👍🏻🙂
PS your first comment was incorrect. I corrected you. Stop digging. 😉
Very informative -- cheers
Glad it was helpful! 🙂👍🏻
Superb and very informative. Thank you. I’m considering an investment in a cut open Fizik. I’m riding an R3 Aliante at the moment with some pressure building up in my never-regions. But before I splash out. Do people drop the nose forward 2 degrees to provide similar relief as to what a cut out provides?
Thank you kindly!
Yes I’d try everything first to make your saddle work before buying something else. (Maybe consider a flatter saddle? What’s your flexibility like? The Aliante tends to be for less flexible people?) I drop my saddle 2 degrees tip down. (Use a digital level app on your phone to check) this is because I have an aggressive fit on my bike, I’m low at the front and if my saddle was flat it would press into my “soft bits.” 😂 But I find with most fits I do the majority of people have 1 or 2 or sometimes even 3 degrees of tip down to feel comfortable. Again, it’s very dependent on your overall posture on the bike. I’d recommend experimenting, make sure you test it. If it feels good the true test is a 70km+ test. I find that 70km is about as far as your body can adapt to a bad position before it gives up, if you have no pain by 70km you have a decent fit for most day to day riding. If you go looking for a new saddle try before you buy or buy as cheap as possible (second hand if you can get it) so that you don’t waste money before you know what works for you. When I found my perfect saddle (the Arione) it was like the clouds parted and light from heaven beamed down on me! 😂😇
@@reginaldscot165 thanks for the advise, I have now just tilted it 1.5 degrees down as measured on my iPhone app. Fingers crossed it works. Flexibility …. I have none! Ha ha. I am a definite Bull in both physique and in “Fizik speech”.
Would be interested in what will work for you. Using Aliante R3 Open, did some very long rides on it, but didn't manage to reproduce the fit when I swapped bikes. When I had issues, it was numbness too, but very minor, indicating that tiny adjustments are worth it.
Switching between Specialized Power and Aliante now. The Aliante with minor numbness, The power with minor seat bone pain. Wonder if any Argo type may be best of both worlds, or maybe SLR Boost Endurance
@@grahamlofthouse8063Ah didn't see that answer. Assuming now you won't buy another saddle - I'll keep tweaking around with angle and fore-aft
@@reginaldscot165 I eventually went down to 2.5 degrees and yesterdays 70lm ride was very comfortable even with me forgetting to put on Chamois cream!
Thx you for sharing
My pleasure my friend. 🙂👍🏻
You’re a legend! Thanks for
Thank you kindly! 😍
@@reginaldscot165 I’m new to the sport, I’m a heavy boned tall lad who currently using a schwinn indoor trainer. I struggle with numbness and crotch pain usually around the 30 minute mark. I have invested in thick foam and gel seats and found no help whatsoever. I’ll be trying the tempo out and like you said, will try dropping the nose to get some relief. It was a very helpful video!
The saddle I’m using is a selle Italia gel flow, it’s massive and I’m starting to think it’s counterintuitive to what I actually need. Would love to hear your thoughts?
What about the adaptive?
Everything here applies to the adaptive. It’s just got a 3D printed padding rather than foam. 👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 Tried it - didn't like it.
I had the vento argo 14 and it was the worst saddle I ever sat on, after 40kms I was in pain and had to cancel the ride plan I couldn't keep on it...
Don’t blame the saddle, blame the system you used to buy it. That saddle will work fine for the right person. What you need to do it: use the fit system, take advice from the shop keeper/bike fitter and try before you buy. 🙂👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 agreed. That's exactly what I did.. After my bike fit that was the saddle for suggested for me. Just to be clear the guy has no association with fizik he actually has with prolog. So I originally came from the standard Scott saddle that comes with the addict, I had tryed the selle Italia slr, then went with fizik, then Sqlabs 612 and finally tryed and kept the bontrager aeolus. It's not perfect still but it is a very comfy saddle. And I also have to say that the build quality of both bontrager and sqlabs is above fizik.. That's just my take, I'm sure there's an ass for every saddle 😁cheers
@@reginaldscot165 Of course it is the saddles fault if it is painful ! - everyone's sit bone placement is different - I got recommended an amazing [so a TH-cam bike fit specialist influencer said] the SQ Labs 924 - worst ride of my life.... - just have to try one that suits your physiology.
Eventually got the perfect one for me - the Prologo Dimension NDR Tirox Rail Road MTB Triathlon Saddle, VL-1A26B, PR2020 - perfect !!
Tried the Fizik's - didn't like them at all !
cutting nose of saddle...watch the flying scottsmen they made that rule just for old faithful
That’s true. 🙂👍🏻
Can you sit on your hands next time, PLEASE!
I’m part Italian so the video would be totally silent if I did that. Request denied! 😄
I agree about all the hand movements. Unfortunately, I left the channel.
Alright, I might have to try these
Cool, all the best! 👍🏻
Why spend so much time explaining older saddles? Not really pertinent information. And, what’s up with the color. It keeps going from a very warm to very cool tone. It’s extremely distracting.
Because it helps explain the difference. Next time use the “Time stamps” to get to the part of the video you want.
It’s a feature of auto focus of modern cameras. I never noticed it was that distracting. I’m afraid it’s just something that will effect your life. 😂
YAWN>>>>>>. Troll Alert!!
@@reginaldscot165 my life is totally ruined now.