Why not have a drop down menu with a choice of 3 band sets? Choose your color, and choose your bands. Put your ammo recommendations next to each choice. That would give you a much better chance of making a greater percentage of your customers happy. You have laid out the problem correctly, I would love to see this solution even if it raises your prices a tad, or slows shipping a smidgen to make it happen.
I’d love to see this implemented. It’s such a simple concept (pun intended). As it stands, I have multiple bandsets just collecting dust which is a bummer 😢
A drop down menu choice for bands would not be the worst idea.. as I can relate as I mostly use .5m bands for a semi long draw. However,as Nathan pointed out bringing in new slingshot customers who are not yet familiar with bands in general,this would most likely only cause unneeded angst, and for those of Us who have a preferred thickness.. well I could use the precut .5mm for target popping, but as I've progressed I also find I'am using the same ammo size with a more drastic preferred taper together for more consistent results. I still switch things up & will shoot different ammo w/different band thicknesses& the tapers I feel perform best,.As for the '11mm.' bands SimpleShot so thoughtfully sends with each new frame,as not all Companies send you Any bands,.I'll make use of them possibly on a wrist brace frame or simply to sling some heavier steel/lead. It certainly is a conundrum 'lol. we're all at different levels or on slightly different paths with our slingshot journeys,I'am looking forward to seeing the sport grow here in the U.S as well as abroad an hope I can be as much of an ambassador to that as We all should.
I love your bands as the best in the world. Please do not change them. I cut about two inches off them and that is my favorite size. And I do love your newest scout X slingshots with the light gathering sight aids. It makes shooting more fun and more accurate shooting! Jack
That's the key. Get your pull point ,always use that point spot to pull then cut the bands to hit your point with Good tension . I have my length so I cut my flats to that length 😅
As I've observed, when I gift someone a new SimpleShot slingshot with the bands, I explain band tuning as if was talking to a 3rd grader than confuse them even more with jargon. Most times it works. Ex; "Your bands are like a V12 engine, and you want to use it on a hatchback with those clay balls? Your tiny car's just gonna go flying all over the place with no control. So, either you change the vehicle to a Truck or change the engine to a 4 cylinder". That's when they usually get it. I'd include a sticker or a pamphlet in the package with a visual recommendation of what ammo goes well with the stock bands. It's cost effective and useful. New shooters wouldn't know the difference between 5/16 to 3/8 to 7/16, so I'd use a truck and tiny car as an easy reference. Hope it helps.
I love black bands that come with the frames. I shoot 3/8 steel and have no issues, but I'm not a top level competitor either. I shoot for fun at 4" spinners, and have about a 75% hit rate so far. Perhaps I'll get more picky later on...
If making a selector drop down for what bands will come with the frame isn’t feasible, maybe instead of 2 sets of standard bands, put in one set of standard and one set of lighter bands like the “target” ones
Maybe include a few dozen pieces of the matched ammo with the bandsets included with the new slingshot? Just a thought to make it easy for uninitiated buyers to know what to shoot with them.
You can please some of the people some of the time….I agree with you, and just getting the word out with comments and your vids like this one is the best idea.
I bought the Hammer master collection a few months ago. Unfortunately I haven't had much time to use...Full length stock bands, very easy to draw to cheek. The hard part is keeping an eye on the 5/8" marble it just launched...Can't wait to tune! I encourage people to research before making any purchase. Every adult should be aware of draw length and shooting types and variables before making a purchase. Not necessarily know them but be aware.
This is such a good video. I’m on the side of always thinking your bands are too heavy. I just put this down to Americans being American, you know … bigger is better. But now I know you’re in a bind and you’re kind of damned of you do and damned of you don’t. You do a great job of pointing people to info when they’ve bought your products, maybe you could do something similar when people are buying them. Ask them what size ammo they want to use and point them to a video explains why you ask this, and why bands are best matched to ammo.
Thanks Chris! We agree, 7/16 is indeed to much, but you are RIGHT on. People really do want power. When we put a lighter band in standard, we get complaints that the bands are too weak.
What I normally do is narrow the taper sent out with bands that come with the slingshot as they are grossly high on resistance not resulting in significant increase in velocity. High resistance really degrades your accuracy. So I believe everyone needs to find their Goldilocks spot and Nathan your videos are quite informative in the journey to enjoy this hobby.
Good to know! I just ordered my first from Simpleshot, a Torque with clips, and don't have 7/16 ammo so I will be using the lighter bands I have from other slingshots to start. This whole experience started about a month ago, I didn't even know anything other than a wrist rocket existed!
The simpleshot videos are probably the most educational for new shooters already. My suggestion is provide a printed paper ruler in with a frame and instructions, don't have measurements on it just the pre-sets of a 5:1 at whatever draw. Along with one of your vids on how to use it.
Thankyou for an honest answer to a difficult subject. I understand that telling someone the truth about what they need in a hobby that for most is misunderstood can be a problem. I had a hobby shop owner tell me that he told new customers the truth twice and if it didn't work he sold them what they wanted. I too have a huge collection of those bands ( 36 sets). I like Jb42942's suggestion it might be more work in the short term but I would bet that you would sell more latex if you did that. If had to judge your latex by the bands that came with your sling shots I would not have tried your latex. Thanks again for an honest answer.
i make and sell a couple slingshots here and there. I sell them all with target bands matched more or less to 9-10mm clay and 8mm steel. hunting bands can be bought separate. I feel that the lighter bands let folks concentrate on form and accuracy, and let hunting and power come later.
I have one of your slingshots and liked the bands that came with the frame and the way you packaged it was wonderful. I still have the directions, the comics, and the box.
Lmao I have an entire collection of Simpleshot .7 pre-mades in my sling box. We do our best trying to explain this on the forums too, but it really is a hard sell sometimes. 🤔🤔
This is a real conundrum, for sure. I have been telling inquiring/potential new shooters to always order an extra set of lighter bands for learning proper form and conditioning the small muscles they will certain be over working due to enthusiasm. Haha... And when I get the .7mm sets I either add them for a new shooter gift package (for the same reason. New people have that heavy draw weight experience and expect it) OR I take 'em apart and make some lightweight bands out of 'em (or some wrap-n-tuck ties). It is, to me, a mild inconvenience at most. Also I usually am ordering a roll of latex anyway.
Send 2 sets of bands with a "Quest" type of thing where you start with clay ammo and the bandset to match, and as you progress, instructions on how to use the newly acquired skill to upgrade to the next ammo/bandset
Also, bands and pouches are consumable items. You may get 500 shots, you may get thousands of shots out of a bandset. Many factors dictate the longevity of bands and pouches. Many new shooters pull out the wrist rocket that’s been in the closet for 5 years and the band still “work”- might not be safe, but it’ll put marbles down range. Moving up to adult slingshots, they expect the same. Throw the sling in a hot truck and 7 months later expect the bands to be in new condition. Doesn’t work that way.
For a good all around band the .5 target bands are fantastic for .177 BBs, clay, 1/2” marbles and 5/16 steel. I just cut the bands shorter when using the heavier ammo.
I love the current bands sent because I like to shoot 3/8" (9.5mm) & 10mm steel ammo the most. I shoot at steel cans and need full penetration (both sides) from a minimum of 15m distance. The stock bands sent are a good value. I love that they are sent long & can be shortened for the individual, but I leave them long for my Ocularis models. Stock pouches are terrible, though, just my opinion.
Sending out bands that are matched for 7/16 (11mm) ammo is not smart since the most common ammo sizes that are being shot today are 8mm and 9.5mm steel.
So I have an exceptionally long draw length if I draw to underneath my eye. I’m used to shooting traditional archery and my draw weights are anywhere from 65 to 95 pounds at my draw length, so anything on a slingshot is easy. That being said, what would be the optimum performance for my cleaver pro? I am a newer shooter, but the same philosophy of matching draw weight draw, length, resistance, and ammo weight is far more critical on a traditional bow, especially when you have to consider Archer’s paradox and then spine wait and flexibility of an arrow shaft. So a slingshot is simple by comparison, what would your recommendation be? Thank you
You will need to match the bands to the ammo you are using. The ammo weight is the factor. Here is a link to one of our FAQ Articles that goes into more detail. simple-shot.com/pages/slingshot-faqs#reamaze#0#/kb/slingshot-performance/matching-bands-and-ammo
what band set should i get for shooting 40cal round lead ball. im currently shooting 45 cal lead round ball with double band set works decently. but shipping time from the uk is nuts and id rather get from simple shot ad shipping time is much better. like a week and half vrs 2 to 3 months from were i get them right now
Bands are left long so that new users can build up muscles as they may not be able to draw the shorter bands. Bands are very easy to trim for your draw length and this way everyone gets to experience great performance from their slingshot.
I understand using under-powered bands can affect projectile trajectory by making it curved, but what effect does over-powered bands have on the projectile? Edit: this helped answering my question. th-cam.com/video/BZ07ZSqbhGE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/2OkV6Eh6nDg/w-d-xo.html In a few words, if the ammo is too light for the bands, the unused energy makes the bands hit the frame with more force, decreasing the life of the bands. The projectile trajectory is not affected. Accuracy is affected because of the amount of force applied when pulling the bands, which can make the shooter shake a little.
Why not have a drop down menu with a choice of 3 band sets? Choose your color, and choose your bands. Put your ammo recommendations next to each choice. That would give you a much better chance of making a greater percentage of your customers happy. You have laid out the problem correctly, I would love to see this solution even if it raises your prices a tad, or slows shipping a smidgen to make it happen.
Good idea 💡
I’d love to see this implemented. It’s such a simple concept (pun intended). As it stands, I have multiple bandsets just collecting dust which is a bummer 😢
Choices would be great..
A drop down menu choice for bands would not be the worst idea.. as I can relate as I mostly use .5m bands for a semi long draw. However,as Nathan pointed out bringing in new slingshot customers who are not yet familiar with bands in general,this would most likely only cause unneeded angst, and for those of Us who have a preferred thickness.. well I could use the precut .5mm for target popping, but as I've progressed I also find I'am using the same ammo size with a more drastic preferred taper together for more consistent results. I still switch things up & will shoot different ammo w/different band thicknesses& the tapers I feel perform best,.As for the '11mm.' bands SimpleShot so thoughtfully sends with each new frame,as not all Companies send you Any bands,.I'll make use of them possibly on a wrist brace frame or simply to sling some heavier steel/lead. It certainly is a conundrum 'lol. we're all at different levels or on slightly different paths with our slingshot journeys,I'am looking forward to seeing the sport grow here in the U.S as well as abroad an hope I can be as much of an ambassador to that as We all should.
Umm.. how about lower shipping/prices and No bands sent with frames🤔. just kidding..We can dream away..
I love your bands as the best in the world. Please do not change them. I cut about two inches off them and that is my favorite size. And I do love your newest scout X slingshots with the light gathering sight aids. It makes shooting more fun and more accurate shooting! Jack
That's the key. Get your pull point ,always use that point spot to pull then cut the bands to hit your point with Good tension . I have my length so I cut my flats to that length 😅
Thank you
Thank you
As I've observed, when I gift someone a new SimpleShot slingshot with the bands, I explain band tuning as if was talking to a 3rd grader than confuse them even more with jargon. Most times it works. Ex; "Your bands are like a V12 engine, and you want to use it on a hatchback with those clay balls? Your tiny car's just gonna go flying all over the place with no control. So, either you change the vehicle to a Truck or change the engine to a 4 cylinder". That's when they usually get it. I'd include a sticker or a pamphlet in the package with a visual recommendation of what ammo goes well with the stock bands. It's cost effective and useful. New shooters wouldn't know the difference between 5/16 to 3/8 to 7/16, so I'd use a truck and tiny car as an easy reference. Hope it helps.
Thank you so much, that is a great way of explaining it.
I love black bands that come with the frames. I shoot 3/8 steel and have no issues, but I'm not a top level competitor either. I shoot for fun at 4" spinners, and have about a 75% hit rate so far. Perhaps I'll get more picky later on...
If making a selector drop down for what bands will come with the frame isn’t feasible, maybe instead of 2 sets of standard bands, put in one set of standard and one set of lighter bands like the “target” ones
Yep when I first started I didn’t understand any of this information but I learned the hard way and now I fully understand Nathan. Good info!
Glad it helped!
Maybe include a few dozen pieces of the matched ammo with the bandsets included with the new slingshot? Just a thought to make it easy for uninitiated buyers to know what to shoot with them.
This is why we offer the ammo in sample packs, so that new shooters can try different sizes to see which they like the best.
You can please some of the people some of the time….I agree with you, and just getting the word out with comments and your vids like this one is the best idea.
Thank you!
Excellent presentation of the problem! Thanks
You are very welcome.
I bought the Hammer master collection a few months ago. Unfortunately I haven't had much time to use...Full length stock bands, very easy to draw to cheek. The hard part is keeping an eye on the 5/8" marble it just launched...Can't wait to tune! I encourage people to research before making any purchase. Every adult should be aware of draw length and shooting types and variables before making a purchase. Not necessarily know them but be aware.
Solid advice!
Well said. Your videos and professional online training (slingshot mastery course) have guided me through many complex issues. All the best to you.
Thank you !
This is such a good video. I’m on the side of always thinking your bands are too heavy. I just put this down to Americans being American, you know … bigger is better. But now I know you’re in a bind and you’re kind of damned of you do and damned of you don’t. You do a great job of pointing people to info when they’ve bought your products, maybe you could do something similar when people are buying them. Ask them what size ammo they want to use and point them to a video explains why you ask this, and why bands are best matched to ammo.
Thanks Chris! We agree, 7/16 is indeed to much, but you are RIGHT on. People really do want power. When we put a lighter band in standard, we get complaints that the bands are too weak.
What I normally do is narrow the taper sent out with bands that come with the slingshot as they are grossly high on resistance not resulting in significant increase in velocity. High resistance really degrades your accuracy. So I believe everyone needs to find their Goldilocks spot and Nathan your videos are quite informative in the journey to enjoy this hobby.
Yes, the sweet spot will be different for each shooter.
Good to know! I just ordered my first from Simpleshot, a Torque with clips, and don't have 7/16 ammo so I will be using the lighter bands I have from other slingshots to start.
This whole experience started about a month ago, I didn't even know anything other than a wrist rocket existed!
Thank you for choosing SimpleShot. If you have questions along the way, please come to the Live Chats feature on our website. We are happy to help.
Great video, Nathan. I used to think that way myself. Now, thankfully, I know better. Thanks!
Thank you so much.
The simpleshot videos are probably the most educational for new shooters already. My suggestion is provide a printed paper ruler in with a frame and instructions, don't have measurements on it just the pre-sets of a 5:1 at whatever draw. Along with one of your vids on how to use it.
Edit. Maybe draw lengths on the reverse so you kill two birds with one stone. Could even colour code it or something.
Thank you so much. We will look at this idea.
Thankyou for an honest answer to a difficult subject. I understand that telling someone the truth about what they need in a hobby that for most is misunderstood can be a problem. I had a hobby shop owner tell me that he told new customers the truth twice and if it didn't work he sold them what they wanted. I too have a huge collection of those bands ( 36 sets). I like Jb42942's suggestion it might be more work in the short term but I would bet that you would sell more latex if you did that. If had to judge your latex by the bands that came with your sling shots I would not have tried your latex. Thanks again for an honest answer.
You are very welcome.
You are very welcome.
i make and sell a couple slingshots here and there. I sell them all with target bands matched more or less to 9-10mm clay and 8mm steel. hunting bands can be bought separate. I feel that the lighter bands let folks concentrate on form and accuracy, and let hunting and power come later.
I have one of your slingshots and liked the bands that came with the frame and the way you packaged it was wonderful. I still have the directions, the comics, and the box.
@@Faustj515 great to hear that you enjoyed it :}
Thank you for your input.
Tapered Variable Resistance (TVR) bands - select and cut pre-marked sections for desired power range.
Pre-marked would be interesting, but would still require the education. The thing we strive to do is educate on band tuning!
Lmao I have an entire collection of Simpleshot .7 pre-mades in my sling box. We do our best trying to explain this on the forums too, but it really is a hard sell sometimes. 🤔🤔
100%!
This is a real conundrum, for sure.
I have been telling inquiring/potential new shooters to always order an extra set of lighter bands for learning proper form and conditioning the small muscles they will certain be over working due to enthusiasm. Haha...
And when I get the .7mm sets I either add them for a new shooter gift package (for the same reason. New people have that heavy draw weight experience and expect it) OR I take 'em apart and make some lightweight bands out of 'em (or some wrap-n-tuck ties).
It is, to me, a mild inconvenience at most. Also I usually am ordering a roll of latex anyway.
Yes, we know shooters that tie their own bands will not use them or do as you do. Thank you.
Send 2 sets of bands with a "Quest" type of thing where you start with clay ammo and the bandset to match, and as you progress, instructions on how to use the newly acquired skill to upgrade to the next ammo/bandset
It's possible that we're already working on this. 😮
Also, bands and pouches are consumable items.
You may get 500 shots, you may get thousands of shots out of a bandset. Many factors dictate the longevity of bands and pouches.
Many new shooters pull out the wrist rocket that’s been in the closet for 5 years and the band still “work”- might not be safe, but it’ll put marbles down range.
Moving up to adult slingshots, they expect the same. Throw the sling in a hot truck and 7 months later expect the bands to be in new condition. Doesn’t work that way.
So true. We say this all the time, but it is a common misconception among beginners that bands last forever!
For a good all around band the .5 target bands are fantastic for .177 BBs, clay, 1/2” marbles and 5/16 steel. I just cut the bands shorter when using the heavier ammo.
Thank you
Thank you
I love the current bands sent because I like to shoot 3/8" (9.5mm) & 10mm steel ammo the most. I shoot at steel cans and need full penetration (both sides) from a minimum of 15m distance. The stock bands sent are a good value. I love that they are sent long & can be shortened for the individual, but I leave them long for my Ocularis models. Stock pouches are terrible, though, just my opinion.
Thank you
I must admit I’ve collected a few bands from new slingshots that I immediately set up with SSB0.5 for 5/16 steel…
Yes, it happens when you start to tie your own bands.
Sal y dispara..... el mejor tip.👨🎓
Thank you
Where is that dead ringer in the pro version? Just wanting to pressure the point to make it happen
We hear you. (We also want to set the expectation that it's quite unlikely). 😩
Sending out bands that are matched for 7/16 (11mm) ammo is not smart since the most common ammo sizes that are being shot today are 8mm and 9.5mm steel.
Agreed. Also way harder to learn and the price for error is heavy.
Most new shooters do not trim the bands. The Standard Flat Bands will also shoot the 3/8" Steel very well.
So I have an exceptionally long draw length if I draw to underneath my eye. I’m used to shooting traditional archery and my draw weights are anywhere from 65 to 95 pounds at my draw length, so anything on a slingshot is easy. That being said, what would be the optimum performance for my cleaver pro? I am a newer shooter, but the same philosophy of matching draw weight draw, length, resistance, and ammo weight is far more critical on a traditional bow, especially when you have to consider Archer’s paradox and then spine wait and flexibility of an arrow shaft. So a slingshot is simple by comparison, what would your recommendation be? Thank you
You will need to match the bands to the ammo you are using. The ammo weight is the factor. Here is a link to one of our FAQ Articles that goes into more detail.
simple-shot.com/pages/slingshot-faqs#reamaze#0#/kb/slingshot-performance/matching-bands-and-ammo
Send both and charge more!
Thank you for your input.
what band set should i get for shooting 40cal round lead ball. im currently shooting 45 cal lead round ball with double band set works decently. but shipping time from the uk is nuts and id rather get from simple shot ad shipping time is much better. like a week and half vrs 2 to 3 months from were i get them right now
I would go with the Nitro Flat Bands for the .45cal lead balls and the Standard Flat Bands 7/16" for the .40cal lead balls.
@SimpleShot thank you very much.
You are very welcome.
Maybe include a quick flyer that says exactly this?
We're working on it!
Hahahahahaha Bands on the Run......
Hahahaha. This comment deserves more likes 😂👍
@@threestarsandasling Hahahahaha Fo Reals.....
😂 LOL
Send shorter bands, set for an average draw length, with a warning not to exceed that draw?
Bands are left long so that new users can build up muscles as they may not be able to draw the shorter bands. Bands are very easy to trim for your draw length and this way everyone gets to experience great performance from their slingshot.
I understand using under-powered bands can affect projectile trajectory by making it curved, but what effect does over-powered bands have on the projectile?
Edit: this helped answering my question. th-cam.com/video/BZ07ZSqbhGE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/2OkV6Eh6nDg/w-d-xo.html
In a few words, if the ammo is too light for the bands, the unused energy makes the bands hit the frame with more force, decreasing the life of the bands. The projectile trajectory is not affected. Accuracy is affected because of the amount of force applied when pulling the bands, which can make the shooter shake a little.
Low accuracy
Shorter band life
@@FinehomesofNewHampshire why low accuracy and why shorter band life?
Shorter band life as well as some potential for a painful handslap from the pouch.
@simpleshot but, there is no effect on the projectile, right?
Fast or slow speed will not affect the flight path with perfectly round ball ammo.
testing
Test everything you can to find what works the best for you.