I can ONLY pick one! | Yamaha MT10 vs XSR 900
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2022
- It's Comparison time AGAIN! Two bikes enter the thumbnail, but only one will emerge the winner...Kind of. This week we dive into comparing Chase's personal 2019 Yamaha MT-10 and our loaner 2022 Yamaha XSR900. There's been a lot of "will he/won't he" when it comes to making the jump to the XSR900, and today we finally get the answer!
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Interestingly, I rode the new XSR900 and MT10 SP (new gen) the same day back to back. MT10 SP was first and I noticed it was massively better than the old gen. For reference, I test rode the old gen twice and didn't like it at all. The new gen has much better tech, cool intake noise, comfortable, SP suspension felt good, up/down quickshifter was nice but still felt heavy and cumbersome to me. Hopped on the XSR900 and everything felt tighter and more direct. More playful, less bulky, still very comfortable, stock exhaust has a nice note to it, tech just as good as the MT10, and I liked the look better. Outside of the additional power and possibly a little more comfort for long distance touring, I saw no reason to go for the MT10 over the XSR900.
XSR isn't under-powered.
And with that bombshell: money is saved on tires, insurance, fuel, oil, potentially service costs. I bet some aftermarket upgrades are going to cost less, like a header pipe.
There's about one 1L naked bike that rides the ragged edge of diminished returns for cost, that being the GSX-S1000. Everything else (MT-10, etc) cost a LOT more to get that 5%-of-the-time thrill when the cops aren't looking.
Thanks buddy
Very true
Uh oh time to trade the 2020 Mt 10 in for a 24 here coming up
Very good comment as im also having hard time deciding between both.
Great comparison Chase. Its good to see two different bikes being discussed and compared. Too often Reviewers only compare bikes in the identical class. I was looking at an MT10 or a Ducati Supersport 950s completely different machines. was a hard choice and I still wish I had both!
Great review video I appreciate this and the comparison I’ve been strongly looking at an MT 09 but you have convinced me I need to look at other aspects instead of falling in love with a bike for it looks
Great video and thoughts, as usual! The windscreen on the MT-10 and the storage are game changers. I love the looks of the XSR, but for a daily rider I'd agree that the MT-10 is the way to go.
Daily driver.. you are not gonna do 100kms a day unless you work far and weather related well you dont go biking on rainy days so its not like a car..theres is no daily bike imo
I love my 2022 Mt-09 SP! 99.9% of the bike is so good, that the little bit of a fidgity menu wheel doesn't even come into play.
ditto, never had any issues with mine and really don't change things very often anyway.
Too expensive, older used mt09/fz09 is best…. Mt10 is same price as mt09sp
@@keithquinn5624 frame and suspension on newest Gen is leeps and bounds above even Gen 2. I had a 2020 and it was squirrely in the corners. Plus two words, cruise control.
I've find that if you press the button slightly from below upwards it's less likely to skip.
@@keithquinn5624 Older not as good, check reviews from professional riders/journalists. mt10 is $14,199, mt09sp is $11,499.
I have an xsr700 and I absolutely love it. I would have to go with the xsr900 because that's my style of styling for a bike. I also love the way the triple sounds.
What a great video, very informative. I do think bikes are subjective I prefer the XSR-900 I have one on order in black and I can’t wait to get it mid august!!
I have owned my stock MT10 for nearly 2 years and absolutely love it, been a massive seller for Yamaha here in the UK, however as you stated the lighter flickable XSR 900 is on my wish list think it may be more suited to my riding ability, tough decision would be nice to have both lol, Cheers Chase.
I love the XSR900's looks. That classic headlamp style will never not be amazing
good video, I have the xsr900 myself and I am completely in love with it,
I was just wondering what do you think of the saddle? I found it too hard myself.. I had it reupholstered and thicker padding in it.
thanks for the video.
I wouldn’t let my MT-10 go anytime soon. But I do like the looks of this XSR. Maybe after a year when more custom parts are available or is been tested more, I’ll consider check a trade. For now I’ll keep my MT-10 :). Thank you for posting this kind or reviews man, it does helps us riders to keep up with models and gives us enough info to have conversations about it. Keep posting them brotha
OC: Get a polarised sheet for your screen man. I have the gen 2MT09 and yeah screen does look like an old game boy. But there's alot of options with polarised sheets and you can make that screen look alot better!!
OC. Great pick. It is hard to beat everything the MT-10 offers... aside from MPG, but the smiles is more than worth a fuel stop every 100 miles. I tour and camp off my 2017 FZ10. No wind screen and it is amazing!!! Keep up the great content, Chase.
I like both bikes, and decided the XSR was a better choice for me. I have the FJR1300 for touring and commuter when needed. So a sporty, around town and weekend blasts w/friends seems the logical way to go w/ this new gem. IF, I didn't have the bigger bike also? Probably would've went w/ the MT10.
OC-Right with you brother on that already customized CP4. The sound alone makes hairs stand up and split... Bring on the muscle car vibes...
Mannn I feel that, I landed on the XSR after test driving everything else in it's category. After a disappointing ride with the Thruxton RS, I couldn't stop thinking about the XSR. It's my rider life now 😎
That QShifter makes another Sale! The Twins are Thumpy.. not very rev happy like the triple. Somebody needs to do a test in the quarter mile.. the QS has to be worth half a second? Some transmissions can't be shifted very fast to boot. How does the XSR900 w/QS match a liter bike without?
@@markhall3434 quick shifters imho are a matter of convenience more than anything unless you're doing some serious competitive racing. Anything that is not a liter bike is not going to compare to a liter bike, they are made completely differently from ergonomics to engine and throttle design.
If you're doing track days for fun the XSR is nice to get out on and open up, but that is about it. You can ride it fairly aggressively, but if you're going harder why not get the MT or something designed for racing instead?
@@That1J1 we agree to disagree! QS as good as the XSR is worth trading in a liter bike without for. NOBODY shifts as fast as the XSR QS. XSR W/QS might beat a typical liter w/o QS to 120MPH . I'D be interested in the results. Prove me wrong!
Ok.. at $10,300, I'd hazard to say no gasoline street legal, non Chinese brand new from dealer bike can beat it in the quarter..
What you think is the cheapest any liter bike that might compete? A new mt10 goes for like $15K.. any CF moto chinese liter bikes worthy of note?
I'm so glad I picked my 2020 Mt10 dark knight edition abs. Thanks for video. Made me feel allot better about my choice 3 yrs ago. B safe but .....when in doubt tach it out.
I bought the new gen '21 mt09 last year and then found a screaming deal on a '18 mt10, you know how that goes. I can't keep them both, VERY tough decision but I'm leaning towards the mt10. I watched till the end, I think you've helped me make my decision.
Great video. How many miles do you usually get on a full tank with your MT10?
I knew you would stick with the MT10. I would have done the same. The ergos, engine, practicality and sound win it for me hands down. Good video. Keep up the good work. 👊🏿✌🏿👍🏿
I have this exact same 22 XSR900, and while I haven't had any issues with the scroll wheel or dash, the very short fork lock is the only thing I don't like about this bike. It is without a doubt my dream bike in every other way, and like you with your MT10, it totally revitalized my love of riding after 10 years. I've had two '07 SV650's, a '20 Vstrom (650), and a '98 DL650, so the move to the XSR was a huge one for me. Can't wait for the after market to spark up, but for the time being MOST of the stuff that fits an MT09 also fit the XSR900. And then there's tons of universal fit stuff out there for the little mods.
Your decision was shocking!
Would be my choice too tho…love the sound!
Bought my 22 mt10 after trying out a few bikes including the mt09, totally agree this will be the bike I want to keep for a very long time.
I have the FZ-10 and I want the XSR 900 so I'm glad you made this video. Some the things you stated on the video were right on the money, but the brakes on the FZ/MT are horrible. I leaning towards getting the XSR 900 because I personally like a lighter bike, but I don't think I'm ready to give up my FZ just yet. I guess I will get a windscreen and upgrade the brakes and keep rolling and get the XSR 900 in the future!
where did you get that windscreen from on the 10? & good pick to keep the bike! im looking for a 10 atm (riding the 09 now) any tips when looking for one?
I have your bike’s “Dad”, the 2nd gen FZ1. Has 90k miles and I beat it hard, never misses a beat. Going to rebuild an engine/tranny then add a supercharger instead of getting a new bike. I already had to replace the frame so we’re bonded by blood sweat and tears now lol can never sell her, but I love the mt-10… except the way it looks. To me it’s the biggest tragedy in motorcycles
For you and your current situation I can see why keeping your MT10 makes the most sense. Depending on what you end up doing with your ADV bike plans could change the situation though. If you end up with and ADV bike that has good weather protection and highway comfort then the XSR or some other smaller more sporting bike would be a better fit for you.
XSR 900 has my vote. The lack of wind protection on a naked bike doesn’t bother me unless I do more than 20 mins on the highway. Which isn’t where I want to ride regardless of wind protection. Multi day trips with my buddies where we spend most of our day between 30-80mph on back roads, I’ve never wished I had wind protection. I ride a Triumph Speed Twin 1200 and I ride it rather spiritedly (Ohlins suspension helps).
Speed twin is more money than xsr900 ı know different style ı like both bike but Yamaha gives you too much thing for money... triumph give you style and big low tourque...what do you think ? Which one is attractive and playful...
XSR 900, all day, hands down. Velocity Moto, fairing kits are awesome too. (if one is inclined).
It would be cool if Yamaha did a single sided swingarm on the xsr900
hmm.. would single sided weigh more? Those swing arms and entire forged aluminum integrated frame is gorgeous.
Entertaining video!
You're right about that cross plane being one of the best sounding bikes, BUT the Aprilia RSV4 is the best sounding. 😁 Keep up the good work!
Get the 2023 MT-10 SP, dude - it's head and shoulders above this old model.
I currently own a 22’ z900 and am going to try and pick up a mt10 next season if possible! Can’t wait. Won’t sell the z900 tho, sentimental value is too high.
I only ride my MT10 in mode one. I love the feeling of that throttle!
Hi. That was a no brainer. MT10 is so hot. And I do like what you said about the "making it yours" customizing factor of the MT10! Like the grey!
The Xsr900 has a really nice clean, oldschool look. It is so sexy. The new xsr900 GP with the front cowl looks absolutely amazing and I love the sound of the 3 cylinder reving up.
Th GP is ugly.
OC: I think you nailed it when you said (in essence not verbatim) the day to day usage a heavy bike just feels better than something that is lighter. if I wanted a fun weekend thing then the xsr 900 is what I would go for.. but the bigger bike yes. as for the Gas mileage on the MT10 that is something one can not only get used to but figure the sweet spot on a LONG long trip.
anyway MT10 for me if I had to choose just between those two.
MT-10 would be my pick. That crossplane inline 4 with cruise control is just what I like.
Just bought a brand new XSR900, but I would have loved to test drive the MT-10 to feel the difference. I can’t speak to which one I would prefer but coming from a 1000cc BMW (RnineT), I absolutely LOVE the XSR900!
Depends on use and conditions but ive ridden both and im going with xsr.. the newer models have everything i want and since my new commute is about 20miles shorter each way, i can stop worrying about the smaller tank and lack of wind protection
thanks! very helpful!
I'd go for the XSR 900. MT-10 is too big for me. If you seen how tight the roads and traffics in Southeast Asia, you'll understand
I have lusted after the XSR900 as soon as I saw it. I got to sit on one at my local dealer recently, and I love it even more except for the seat. I don't mean looks as I think it looks great on that bike. It's the comfort I didn't like it was lime sitting on a piece of plywood. I would love to ride one I just haven't had the chance yet.
Heavier & more stable really is the bottom line. I first rode my 2020 mt10 and was amazed @ how smooth & comfortable it is! Then I started exploring that engine! Eargasmic! Totally! I have a Yosh can on it and am putting a link pipe on with a 2wdw flashed ecu! Can't effin'wait! You should keep both,that 900 is a loker!
Test road the new MT09 SP over the summer. It was so nice in many ways but I’d still have the MT10 in my garage if I could only have one.
OC. Looking to upgrade to my next bike. What would be a better bike for a novice to intermediate rider? Im leaning towards XSR900
My BMW F900R has the best TFT of any of the bikes I have seen. I love the jog wheel screen control setup on my left hand side and don't think I would like it at all on the throttle side.
I just bought a 2023 MT09. I was hoping all the MT models parts and the tracer parts were interchangeable since they seem to share the same basic frame and engine.
2023 Blue XSR here.. Thrilled with mine.. went Big Bagger for a few years, so great to be on such an agile and quick bike! The Engine/Frame integration is total genius.. a glorius chunk of black. No Fins.. 3 cylinders is narrower than 4.. very compact.. just about perfect. My 3 cylinder 2 cycle H2 was wider with the fins. A 4 cylinder was very wide with fins. The Quick Shifter really is Yamaha's crowning achievement here. This is the "App" like adaptive cruise control and lane keeping. Absolute perfection. automatic transmissions in performance cars are OBSOLETE now. The new mustang has "Rev Matching", but you STILL use the Clutch! Totally missed the boat.. For sure requires a new manual transmission, but we don't need no stinkin' over complicated Dual Clutch crap. Easy half a second in the quarter (In a car).
I have never owned a motorcycle with a windscreen. I figure as long as I keep it that way, I won't know what I'm missing and can continue long-hauling naked bikes.
Much quieter that way, believe it or not.
If you had to choose new 22 xsr900 or 22 mt-10 for daily or day trip? I have an adventure bike for longer touring.
Had 2 MT10"s (The first was a 2020 that was) stolen) Got a 2021 MTo9 and sold it at 600 miles. I put heated grips and small wind screens on all of them. I liked the sound and power of the MT10, and the way it runs the twisteys . And the fact that you can get a comfort seat makes it so much better for the longer two or three day rides. I recomend gettting a 20170thru 2022 MT10 (and putting on a shift tech auto blipper) is the way to go.
If you had picked the XSR 900 over the MT-10, I was going to point out that it wasn't fair comparing a 2019 Yamaha MT-10 to a 2022 Yamaha XSR 900 because there have been many improvements on the 2022 MT-10 over the 2019. However, you picked it anyway....have you thought about getting a new MT-10 (maybe even the SP) and moving the parts over from your 2019?
OC Puig universal Vision windscreen looks very nice on the xsr
I like the term Angry Bionicle more than transformer/deceptacon. Someone coined that term a while back and I think it's a very good description
Hi man, I just would like to know what are the saddle bags (or cases??) that you have on your mt-10 and can you put your helmet inside? Just like let say.. ninja 1000sx cases??
I was so so tempted to get the MT10 but doing touring i went with the MT09SP and was still happy with my choice but its a nice comparison and fuel range was important in my choice too as found that i got over 200 miles out of my MT09 in the end be interested on how far could get with MT10
120 miles a tank approx
@@cornbred0327 yea didn't think would be much over 100 so is that riding normal or full tilt everywhere
@@PureEvolution normal in Bradenton FL riding. In town w traffic and lights. Gotta go on a tour sometime tho. It should get better highway.
Sounds like you might want the new MT10 with the electronics and screen...
That's my ride, brother 😊 I've been fortunate enough to own so many different, gorgeous bikes over the years, but nothing comes close to the latest 10 SP. It's just insanely good.
OC. I'm going to spin it a little different and say that the tracer 9GT plus is a mashup of the two. I would already have one on order if they weren't so damn expensive.
Bigger tank for touring, cruise control, heated grips, windshield. All the good stuff and the CP3 is plenty of power.
Its is still 60lbs more than the XSR900...but once add touring stuff on the XSR will make it around 450lbs, still a little lighter.
I wanted to like the Tracer.
Then I felt like they took an MT-09, threw away 90% of it, and put the CP3 into a massive, heavy, complex, too-touring and not-enough-sport result. Oh it's good. It's sporty. It's quick. But compared to its naked bones, it's quite a bit muted.
I was hoping for a Yamaha version of a MV Agusta Tourismo Veloce. A light, sporty, leg-room, more comfortable, more distant capable 85% MT-09 with identical horsepower. It's not. It's like a MT-09 trying to out-FJ the FJ1300.
@@exothermal.sprocket I was thinking that the Tracer is kinda like Yamaha's version of Honda's VFR
OC. Can you test the smaller brother XSR700?
OC, I would love to ride the MT 10. I’m a BMW rider but this bike looks so fun.
100% rather have an MT-10. I had an MT-09 and thought it was a great bike but not quite what I'm looking for.
Good decision it’s more important that a bike does more things if only bike
Had a 2022 XSR900 and I just could not live with the seat, after an hour I was done, swapped it for an MT09 and I love that bike
Why not just buy a Corbin?
You swapped the bike or the seat?
If the small screen, scroll wheel and lack of wind protection (c'mon, it is a naked btw 😂) are all you can fault with the XSR, I"d say that's a very very positive review!
Not to mention he added an after market screen to the mt 10... lol
I've got the 2019 MT-10 I bought it used with 10K miles some luggage windscreen heated grips I've only had it for a week now but boy it just rips the freaking corner so well and I'm on the fence of decading it because I don't know is that a cop magnet
I dont know if you can get them in the u .s but inthe uk you can get body work fairings and tanks kits starting at £1500 for the xsr 900
What custom parts does the XSR not have compared to the MT10? SC Project exhaust, ECU Tuned, Suspension parts, etc… are all available. 🤷🏽♂️
I find the ride of the mt10 kind of harsh. I have been all through the settings, just cant find a place where it will smooth out and expansion joint. Anyone have any ideas?
Never had the MT-10, but as far as MPG on the CP4, I averaged beter MPGs on a ford F-150 than on my R1M. as far as the looks of the XSR900... that blue paint is amazing! I rode one for a bit, and it is a great bike, and it has such an unique sound! and that blue color with the gold is just perfect for it.
OC I"d choose the XSR any day, though between that and a Street Tripe RS... That is a much harder choice.
I had a 10 for two plus years and it’s one of the best bikes I’ve owned. My xsr900 is highly modified, and though it’s 5 years old, I wouldn’t trade it for any bike. The only thing the new one has that I find interesting is cruise. I have that with my tracer, so….
Hi chase , I have a BMW 1250GS Adventure Rallye 2022 , I am new to bikes and I'm thinking of getting an mt10 but I'm concerned that I will miss my GS , I could get an XSR900 as a second bike , any thoughts ??
OC: I am facing a similar dilemma, I am thinking of getting the new MT10 over my 2016 XSR900 60th. If Yamaha ever decides to release a XSR1000 I would put a deposit down the next day.
Which Ruroc is that and can I get your honest opinion? Thanks!
Have an xsr900 in my garage now as my first bike, love it but winter is here in the East coast and don’t have warmer gear so I am waiting impatiently.
It’s funny I never looked for the exhaust until a week after riding my 900 around to be like “where is the exhaust?”
The #1 selling point of the mt10 is the high speed stability. I hated my fz07 on the highway, but the mt10 is rock solid at speed. Bike literally never feels unpredictable.
I couldn’t agree more. I have a 2023MT 10 and since I’m still breaking it in I haven’t had it over 80 maybe 85 mph on the highway but holy shit it is so rocksolid even at those speeds I’m sure it’s really good all the way up into the triple digits. I met a guy a couple weeks ago and he said it starts feeling kind of light around 130 mph. I’ll take his word for it because I’ll probably never have it up to 130. 105 may be 110 miles an hour That’s about as fast as I have ever gone on any of my bikes
Love the frame rate
Maybe it’s just me. I don’t mind the screen or the menu selector. I only look down at it to check my speed when I see a cop. Personally I can’t choose the XSR over my MT-09 even though I want the cruise control. If I would’ve found an SP at the time I would’ve preferred that but I’m not disappointed with the base trim at all.
ajor complaint WHY do I have to buy an XSR900 to get the longer swing arm?? Or have to buy the MT09SP to have nice suspension? Seriously I cant have BOTH on at least ONE of them???
Gsx 1000 GT if you like it in blue or Ninja 1000 sx ?
Why not sell your MT-10 and get the new and updated MT-10 2022?
What microphone do you use that can drown out the "loudness" of the exhaust.
I wonder how long til Yamaha releases an xsr 1k. I get the vibe chase would choose the more powerful bike despite what he said about being more reserved as he has aged.
are those sporty looking bags available for the xsr900?
Where can I get that jacket it’s dope!
I like both bikes but I think the mt10 is a step above the sxr besides the screen but 2023 mt10 sp looks freaken awesome if I could afford another bike that’s what I would get
What ECU Tune is on the MT-10? 2WDW?
I must say my cb500f has those backlit lcd's or what they are and it really doesn't bother me at all.
But I only care to look at the speedo, rpm and how much gas I have. It's probably not good enough for submenues and all that nonesense.
MT10 has the best of everything i possibly need ina motorcycle, power, agility, configurability, easy to service, easy to understand, never suprises you. I think yamaha's one of the best creations, that i will only upgarde to 2022/23 model, maybe.
Get a Tracer9GT, Chase.. ;-) It has CP3, it has that prolonged swing arm, it keeps a bit of that transformers style and it's completely made for travelling.. I have bought one and I'm absolutely happy with it.. It checks all the checboxes I ever wanted a bike to check.. :-)
Ive ridden both of them, and own a MT10.. I wouldn't give it up for anything. XRR and MT09 feel like toys to me not as serious as the MT10. That moto GP sound is second to none... Can't go wrong with either. I've owned almost every liter bike out there and needed something similar to that feel. I don't care about electronics and turn them all off with the exception of the quick shifter.
Wich county Ride you in this Video ? Greetz from GER
totally understand!😁
Chase im hoping you can help me on this. Im looking at an austin racing exhaust for my future xsr900 to try and add some throatiness to the cp3, problem is they only make an mt-09 exhaust. do you know if the two systems are the same as long as they dont mount to anything behind the swing arm?
Get an Akrapovic dude! 😜🤙🏻
Hi. Wich Helmet you have? Tanks
Best sound... After tuono/rsv4
O.c. definitely the mt10. Nice looking bike and as you said you can really make it your own
I'm going to need a breakdown of all your different gloves.
Agree on the sound of the MT10....mostly. The RSV4/Touno sounds a little better
To me it depends on one thing. Do you want HP or MPG
MT 10 all the way. I just picked my MT 10 up last week it’s a 2023 model. I rode it last year at the Yamaha demo and fell in love with it. I traded in my 2021 Kawasaki Z 900 RS café that’s how much I loved the MT 10
After all this time did you make the right choice or was it brutish acceleration you were looking for ?