Motorcycle's Riding skills: The Energetic Drivability with BMWRT1200 [ENG]
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- If you guys want to increase your leaning skills, like tight turns, U-turns, brake when the bike is leaned, lean with less chance to slide, etc, don't hesitate to contact us and do a training course with us :
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Let's see what can be done with the Energetic Drivabilities skills, when riding a RT1200 with bagages :)
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I've done the course this summer with my Africa Twin Adventure Sports '18, which isn't the smallest of bikes, and I can confirm that 2 parking spots becomes quite realistic after just 3 days, and even a bit tighter is possible. And the instruction is at such a high level, that even though I haven't been practicing as diligently as I should have been, just remembering the mantra of "Translate => Rotate" has me still comfortably turn within 2 parking spaces without any issues and bring the bike to full lock without any counter-steering. Not to mention my fear of leaning has all but disappeared completely and my arms suddenly aren't tired anymore after 10 hours of riding, since cornering without fighting the bike into a corner takes waaaay less effort.
Seriously, if you have to pick just one course to improve your road skills, take this one. I promise you won't regret it!
Many thanks, Rolando :) I hope you will continue to train :)
Hello. How could I apply ynhr translate - rotate concept ? Thanks in advance and please excuse my curiosity. I'm looking forward to learning more about these techniques as soon as possible. I really want to get rid of the leaning fear for once and for all. Thanks again,
Rear-break-only, clutch, counter-leaning and head- turning are needed for very slow and safe rides in a daily trafic environments. Obviously, your energetic riding techniques (body steering, self steering, trail braking etc) is classier, more elegant and fun. But it is mostly suitable in controlled environments like gymkhana events, isolated parking areas etc because your are relatively at a very high speed to apply your techniques in such a small u turn drill. I should also admit that i am a big fan and admiror of your energetic riding approach. Thanks for your inspiration. Cheers.
Thank you for your comment.
But... What I am teaching is NOT for Gymkhana event. It is for all day life. My students want to ride on traffic lanes, not during Moto Gymkhana event, for most of them.
And as you can see in this video, doing uturn on traffic lanes, somes bikes need this technique if you want to uturn:
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I tend to agree with you, even after his reply to your comment. Moreover I think in a motorcycle rodeo event, friction zone will outperform this, but in gymkhana events this style would outperform. I would say friction zone is better in highly confined spaces, no clutch when you have run off options.
I have a 2009 K1200LT, your videos are very helpful and I am getting more confidence in my U turns.
Thank you and I can not wait for the next video.
Thank you :)
The next one will take some time to be done, to be honest :(
Another great video. I'm sorry I was out of time to have a lesson with you. Hopefully next year. This is what I would love to learn. Thanks Clèment. Garry🇦🇺
Thank you, Garry :) Yes, I will be glad to meet you and to teach you this way of riding, as much as I can :)
I was taught this technique 30 years ago. it is part of the driving license in the Netherlands
It seems it is not teached anymore, so, as I never see people from Netherlands doing u-turn like this ;)
Most of them are teached to look where they want to go to be able to turn. Here, we don't ;)
Your videos are awesome!!
Thank you so much for sharing your skills and knowledge.
Thank you :)
I hope it helps.
Goodness me, you are one smooth rider, probably the best this side of Japan I have seen
Thank you, and sorry for the delay to answer :(
Actually this is the sort of thing I practice weekly on my own bike (Versys 650) and on pretty much any bike I borrow or try out. Being able to make that turn within 2 standard parking spaces (on any bike) is a basic necessary skill. Dragging the rear brake during that kind of turn lets you manipulate the apexes with some precision.
This is nice if you can do a tight u-turn, with any kind of bike, for sure. 'cause some of them can turn within 5 meters without any difficulty, and some other, like hyper sports bike or long bikes are harder.
The second think here is that we don't use the friction zone of the clutch to do it. Then, it is better for the bike, and the speed is then faster, so the time you need to do uturn is lower.
Third part, there are sensations like in a roller coaster, in this way of oind a uturn ;)
I have tried this technics many times, and they work.
I have found that the ability to lean without pushing handlebars is crucial. For me, the key was to tightly hang the bike with my knees. Then I can feel lean angle and stop afraid to fall off. The rest is easy! Just lean the bike a little with your knees or countersteering and brake gently.
Great videos, taught me a lot. Thank you very much!
Thank you :)
Nice explanation, this works only on low speed if I understood correct. On highspeed there is no chance to control the bike without countersteer. I have also trained to do same manouver at 5 meter wide street. It works great with countersteer at first leaning but you need to control throttle pretty good. I am not sure if you are using here at start just a little counter to push bike in turn. My Honda ST1300 is pretty same big heavy bike like this BMW.
Thank you :)
Heu no, it works at higher speed too... There are other ways to lean than counter steering. But the key is too accept to slow down when you lean. You can see here that even at higjher speed, I can lean without counter sterring :)
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I really appreciate this videos, thanks for sharing.
Thank you, I really appreciate to do this video ;)
Amazing video! Thank you!
Thank you :)
I think you will like this video too:
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When you brake, are you using rear brake, front brake or both? Thank you.
On this video, I am using only rear brake :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite thank you
you're welcome ;)
excellent skills/ well explained
Thank you *2
You are counter-leaned mate! The higher skills you 've got the less angle of counter leaning is needed!)))
This is not counter leaned, sorry... how can I do that to a heavy bike with my little weight ???
It is only a question of arms: when I want to release teh pressure on the handlebar to allow it to reach full lock, I need to move my shoulder, and on some bike with big handlebar, my arms are too short to lean my shoulders in, and to leave the handlebar in the same time.
On some Harley, I need to seat on the tank...
This is why on my sportbikes it is easier: handlebar turnds less, and it is smaller
Thank Clem for another lesson, is it the front or back brake you use? Hopefully I can get a real lesson with you next year when all this Virus has settled down, can't wait🏍🏍🏍
Garry🇦🇺
It is rear brake on this video. With a BMW, using the front brake to make it more handuable is not enough efficient :(
You will be the welcome here :)
He's leaving a lot out here, you don't want to use the front brake doing tight low speed turns. On my K1600 idle alone is enough to keep the bike over that 5MPH your going to tip over speed, but not all are the same. Ideally the bike has to be going 8-10MPH how you get that steady speed depends on the bike. You may have to use the friction zone of the clutch with some throttle to control the speed. Drag the rear brake a little before leaning, and if you watch closely you will see it's helpful to make a slight dip to the opposite direction of the u-turn. Lastly, and most importantly you have to turn your head where you want the bike to go watch this guys head, as he turns, the bike follows where you look a tight turn you will be looking over your shoulder.
What you are discribing, is what I am calling the classical way of riding. And it is completely NOT what I am doing, sorry.
I don't use the clutch, I don't brake before the turn. I think it is enough clear on the video, and if not it is clear at the end of the video, where the bike is never in straight line. And if I would have brake before the turn, I would have use the front brake, not the rear brake.
I don't counter steer, or go in the opposite direction to dip into the turn. You can watch closely if you want.
Last think, I don't look where I want to go, and it doesn't matter. The bike goes where I want to go. My look is just following the bike, when the bike turns, my look turns.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I just tried this. I do not have the confidence to try on my 1200GS, but I did it on a scooter. Applying the rear brake while slow turning does make the bike sit up and more stable. It did not matter where I looked. It was a lot of fun. Definitely different that I was taught...but it works. Excellent instruction.
Thank you :)
I am glad that you were able to try it, and to feel it : it is not an easy exercize :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I think you are in fact looking where you want to go, and you are using the bars for input, the bike will not lean over that far, that fast, without moving the bars.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite It is 90% mental...having the confidence to try..scary but it works. Maybe one day I will be brave enough to try on a big bike :)
What does it make a lean of the bike, if saying not by the handle bar? So called knee grip ? Please show me the way of it.
I use butt and knee, and torso+belly to increase the effect :)
hi, i was taught to use rear brake but most bikes these days have linked brakes so how can you trail brake if front brake is also being automatically applied? isnt the rt 1200 linked brakes?
Trail baking is not about whoch brake you are using, but how you are pressing them: first, progressively stronger and stronger, and then less and less.
The qualitéy of both part, and the synchronization with the lena angle, living the handlebar free of rotation, is the key
What a great video's you make, thank you very much! Can you tell me where you teach?
Thank you :) and sorry for the late reply... I am from France, where we are providing training courses, if you want. We are providin a mtorcycle per trainee, so you can come by plane, if you want.
More infos here :
antipilotedelignedroite.fr/en/contact-us/
Thanks for the great video. I get the concept of using the brakes while the bike is leaned, and it really works well. My question is how is the throttle and clutch handled during such a tight u-turn? I see that your hands are not on the clutch at all, but I am wondering about the throttle? Are you giving it a little bit of throttle? Or you are letting the bike at idle? Are you applying brake and throttle at the same time? I am missing that part.
Thank you :)
I am giving a little bit of thottle, to prevent the engine from being to weak, and I use the rear brake to decrease the speed, without needing to release the throttle to much (then, the engine is stronger). So you have to be very smooth with the throttle (not to much, but enough to have a few torque), and the rear brake, just to compensate the increasing of the speed.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Am I right about seeing you do not use the clutch at all?
@@mohammedalhadidy2947 correct, when you clutch you loose drive and you will fall
Great video, thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Do you run these courses in England, where can I get information about them please?
Thank you :)
Please send me a mail here, I will give you all infos:
antipilotedelignedroite.fr/en/contact-us/
For now we did'nt do any course in England, but we had peopple from England that already came :) So why not coming in England ?
Great videos, I watch them regularly.
Unfortunately, I am from the Czech Republic, I cannot attend the course. I am interested in one question: at what speed you enter the rotation and at what speed do you drive at the tightest rotation? Thanks for the reply.
Thank you :)
Czech Republic is not so far, we had people from Latvia, this year. Or you can organise something in your country and make me come ;)
In terms of speed, I am not sure, but I think it is around 25km/h at the beginning and 12km/h at the tightest rotation with this bike (but it is different with my cbr650: I am around 35km/h at the beginning, and 18km/h at the tightest rotation)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Thank you for your reply and instructive videos.
Regarding the organization of the training course, I am not sure I would be able to organize such a course.
I am a lone rider :)
Thanks a lot and I'll keep watching your videos. B.R.
question - if the gyroscopic effect decreases, does that not mean that the bike will fall? I ask bc from what I understand about this law of physics is that the gyroscopic effect occurs when the heaviest part of the wheel falls down and if enough spin is generated, it'll bounce back up and down & up & so on & so forth.
Ok so, at 3'16", bc the gyroscopic effect is maintaining its impetus which indeed makes it harder to lock the handlebar. But at 3'44", this is where I am asking for clarification - if the gyroscopic effect decreases, doesn't that mean that it'll allow the handlebars to lock easier and NOT make the bike stand up?
The real key of the balance of a motorcycle when it turns doesn't came from the gyroscopic effect. More, it has nothing to do with it. The gyroscopic effect is only slowing down the lean angle of the wheel (and then the rotation of the handlebar). The balance comes from rotation of the handlebar.
So when the gyroscopic effect is decreasing, the handlebar can turn more. And when it turns a lot and at its own speed (so without any force on it), it will balance so much the bike that the bike will straight up. But the handlebar will stay turned in full lock :)
I'm really struggling on my vfr800, very heavy and cant get a tight turn 🙈
@@jonor95 how much of your body is hanging off the opposite side? I ask bc police bikes are Lot heavier and although their handle bars can have a full lock, they still can maneuver in tight spaces.
Could it also be that maybe you're a tad bit nervous?
At slow speed gear 1, not using any clutch or half clutch, when do we have the engine cut off? On my old bike I have instances where at super slow speed, the bike cut off even when it’s still moving. I haven’t been riding for a few years.
I have another scenario, at downhill I engage gear 2 and not putting any gas, the bike rolls down, in this case if I let go of the clutch slowly to it’s biting point, the engine will not cut off right?
Thank you! I miss riding
The clutch needs to be used if your engine has not too much torque at low rpm.
So it depends on your bike, your speed, your gear :)
You can tell when a video creator isn't a cycle rider when the first graphic says, how to "drive" a motorcycle.
You can tell when a comment is form a hater, when his comment is about a small detail of the video, which isn't a problem to understand the heart of the video...
Man, i do have a RT 1200, and let me tell you, i had my first motorcycle license in 1983, i am seeing this video for the first time today,.
This guy knows what he is talking about.
As a french guy, it reminds me how the french BMO is driving.
Nice
Thank you :)
I am in love with this motorcycle. I would divorce my wife and marry the bike if this was an option. Selling my NC750X to buy this one.
lol I prefet the FJR1300, for my part ;)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite ST1300 is another good option.
BMW suits me best because it is the weakest BUT the most fuel efficient of the three.
Ben öyle asfalt da kafam yerde giderim. Bu ne ki 😎
Sorry, I don't understand :)
he says that as long as he rides on this kind of asphalt he can even touch his head on the asphalt, what we watch on the video is nothing. =))
@@uytouytoo9944 bla bla....
can you share dimensions of the figure 8 circle?? how wide and far apart
Each circle is 7m wide, and there is 2m between both. But what it very important with the exercize, is not the exercize, but what you will do with it. In this exercize, the goal is not only to turn around, it is to lean without any force on the handlebar...
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite energetic drivability requires you to be able to turn the handlebars by leaning only and not using your hands at all?
@@davidnoob9421 Yes, it is a part of :) Brakes can help as you say on your message on facebook, but you have to master trail braking :)
Do u smell your clutch alot during this?
Not at all, as i don't use the friction zone. If you take a look to my left hand, the clutch is fully released :)
I Have moto BMW R 1200 RT cadeau , j'aime à la foulée.
It is a good bike for sure :)
" j' aime à la folie "en français.😉 "La foulée" is when you're jogging. The rythm of your run. Loved the idea , tough😁
Again, looking where you want to go has nothing to do with being able to execute tight turns, but with being aware of your surroundings and faster identify obstacles and threats in the path of travel.
Yes, this is why we have to "free" our look :)
I'm a new rider. What should I do to learn to do this?
You can try it alone, or you can do a course with me :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite would love to but i'm in the philippines
Find a place to train, find some other trainees and invite us ;)
wow!
Thank you :)