Good list, good break down. I'd suggest drop the 2 minutes preamble, get into the meat of it quicker and include HP, Torque, RPM band and Top road speeds
Also, TH-cam videos are preferred to be longer or a minimum length for monetization purposes… maybe get a couple commercials in there, at least 1 commercial break. Relax
I just put a down payment on a klx300 and I stumbled across your channel, just wanna say I love your excitebike intro lmao. One of my favorite games growing up
Good list! As I am a Honda fanboy, I would have the CRF300L on top, but I haven’t ridden either one, and they seem to be so similar, it could no doubt go either way. I do own both Yamahas on the list. The TW200 is such a unique bike, and I often say that riding it is like riding a 4 wheeler with 2 wheels. The XT 250 feels more like a “real bike” when compared to the TW. And by that, I just mean that it has much more of a traditional motorcycle feel, being that the Tdub is such a different animal. They are both fun to ride and have served to get my sons into riding. I’m really enjoying your content!
Fully agree with your list! One thing I would strongly recommend is that if it is your first bike, opt for a used one over a new one. My first bike was only ridden on the farm as a boy, and after five years of riding it only the wheels, frame and engine remained 😂. Good thing it was a Honda - just kept going and going, running on the gas I stole out of my dad's truck. The point is that as you push your riding and skill up, those little oopsies do occur from time to time. Rather have it be on a cheaper used bike than a brand new one.
Thanks for another beginner-friendly video. Here in my neck of the woods, “availability” is the whole game. My local Honda dealers are taking payments for CRF300s to be delivered in (wait for it) November. And they’re marking them up $1200 over MSRP with “fees” of all kinds. (I was lucky to find a used 2020 WR250 from a guy who was desperate to sell, at a great price.) Thanks again.
I'm picking up a KLX300 in two days. I used to own a KDX220, XR400, DRZ400.....I think it will do just fine, a Tenere 700 will be added later....the tdub is really a fun little bike.
I went from many HD's, to Buell, then Road racing (WERA Amateur) , Kawi ZX6R, Yamaha FZ1, a Supermoto phase, lastly an Indian FTR1200. I REALLY want a TW200 after being without a bike for the first time since 1987. Why? IT HAS A CARB, and I can work on it without a dealer; and I want to bring back the feeling of riding just for fun on any surface and not trying to impress anyone or collecting tickets or trophies. ( I have a few of each). I think that the Yamaha TW200 may have a badge of honor of being the last CARBURATED mass produced bike that excels at nothing but fun. I hope Yamaha makes this model until I get my hands on one!
hey dork! i circled back to this video, as i'm fully into my journey for my first bike now, and it still holds up mid 2023! i wanted to comment because i have to admit, after 9 months on the waitlist, i just rejected the 300L i had reserved 😱 why you might ask? well, the long and the short of it (heh.) comes down to my stubby little legs... i'm 5'6" ~125lb, and just walking up to the 300L my impression immediately was this thing is absolutely MASSIVE! i was able to toe down on one side barely.. looking into lowering it would cost minimum $500 for a shaved seat and lowering link - or upwards of $1500 for new suspension.. i moved my reservation to the 300LS (new shortie model), but I fear this bike is also just going to be too bulky.. i'll be able to touch the floor on the LS, but the bike is just so honkin wide! maybe its the liquid cooling that is making this bike so much bigger than bikes on the first half of your list?? going into the showroom gave me an opportunity to explore some other options, and i agree with the first half of your list wholeheartedly! the xt250 and the klx230s both felt like reasonabled sized bikes (not only the height, but the overall size of the entire bike). i haven't sat on a tw200 yet, but i'm intrigued! for someone looking to just get into some leisurely forest road riding, maybe the 300L is just overkill for my needs. it's got all the bells and whistles, but maybe i'll benefit from keeping things simple. i'll surely benefit from being able to confidently ride and maneuver a much smaller bike. thanks again for the content!
One motorcycle that no one commented on that could be added to the list is the Suzuki Van Van 200. The last model year for it in the USA was 2019. It is similar to the Yamaha TW200. It has similar fat tires. It is slightly more street oriented. It is fuel injected. So no plugged up carburetor jets if you forget to drain the carburetor bowl at the end of riding season.
I went with the KLX300 camo just because the plastics, I know...I'm a tool, but I like it. I came across some nice GS310s and thought about the CRF300, but the KLX won me over. I'm still going to buy a used TW200 or XT200.
Great video! I would rate them the same. I just picked up my KLX 300 Camo a week ago and was also considering the CRF 300L. Tight margins but the suspension, engine, and looks of the Camo version made my decision easier to make. I also have a middleweight ADV bike and what a difference to ride the KLX. So light and nimble with impressive power and good suspension that makes a difference when riding off-road. If I were a beginner rider that planned on using the bike as a commuter and for off-road, I would probably lean towards the CRF with ABS and the better informative display for shifting and a gas gauge included. KLX for more intermediate riders with longer-term enjoyability without having to upgrade much.
Thank you for the “intermediate” comment regarding the KLX 300. I bought the 2022 Camo version of this bike, and I am not a beginner. You get a sub-$7,000 motorcycle with long service intervals and enough low-end torque to climb walls, if you add a 13 tooth front sprocket. I fail to see the justification for labeling the the KLX 300 a “beginner” bike.
@@scottjackson163 @Scott Jackson I was | | < this close to getting it over my 2020 WR250R but it was just that last bit of polish away. That being said I would get it way way before a DRZ or CRF any day of the week.
I have long suggested a KLX250 was the best Dual Sport for a beginner or anyone wanting to try out Dual Sport riding and the KLX300 is even better. Excellent #1 choice :).
Great job reporting on these bikes. I agree, they are all good machines. If you are going to give the very dated TW a chance to be included in this review I feel the Suzuki DR 200 should be included. I understand that many riders have taken this small duel sport on some extended trips and it does very well. I have a new Kawasaki KLX 230s which includes a lower seat height. I plan to take it on a ride trip.
Thank you for the video. I tried to ride my boyfriend's Yamaha Majesty 400 scooter/motorcycle, and while I did an okay job, it was just too big, too heavy. Then I heard about dual sports and the Yamaha XT250; something that I had my eyes on for a while. I'm definitely thinking about getting that one because of the low seat height. But I'll look into the TW200 as well.
I know I'm late to the party, but thank you! I'm looking at a 2023 KLX230s, and will be likely picking it up soon. Glad to hear it's bigger sister is good as well
Just tested the XT250 great fun and I could pass it along to my son. But - ahem - do you know what SM stands for lol. Super Moto is an entirely different style and not really for beginners. Ride safe all! 🏁
For the most part I agree with you, tho I feel the 300l is a better bike to start on. My main reason for this is the slipper clutch installed to the 300l, it gives a beginner more leeway when drops in gear happen as well as downshifting. I have rode both and did a side by side review, and that clutch surprisingly makes a difference. The disconnect from the instant engine grab is much more forgiving. Again great video man!
@@DorkintheRoad I look forward to seeing your reaction when you get to ride the 300L. I can tell you have a soft spot in your heart for the 250L so I know you will love the 300.
I feel the Wr is still leading the pack for best overall bike its just hard to beat after all these years the 300 are still playing catch up. The Wr was doing everything better then the 300s 13 years ago... I just feel it was a missed opportunity for Honda and kawasaki big time even though the bikes are nice and they are going to sell the real riders no if they would have came with that 35-40hp bike it would have changed everything.
The WR is too tall for most beginner riders IMO. It is a great bike, but I will put beginners on the TW for a long while before they get to ride my WR.
I am not a new rider but have now UPGRADED to a small bike because the weight gain of the big bikes just became too much. Settled on the CRF300L Rally because the Kawa is not available over here, and Honda doesn’t make a CRF450L.
Great list! I would add a suzuki dr200. It's a great starter bike and for single track would be hard to beat. I've been riding for 30 plus years and keep going back . Cheers!
I chose the klx 230 over the klx 300 because of the gearing between 1st and 2nd gear. I had to order it so it should be here any day. I hope i made the right choice. I feel like a kid waiting for Santa
it would be great if we could get the Tdub here in Australia , i have the latest we got here 2006 model , always fun to ride , i have been riding off road for 50 years now , mx , trail , enduro , my current ride is a 2011 ktm 250exc 2 banger , lic ,and TW , just sold my ktm 500exc , thinking of buying a ktm 790. , you doing a awesome job keep up the good work . cheers steve/Australia
Top 5 beginners is great. I think another fantastic video idea would be a top 5 for intermediate riders. Something where you want to get a little bit beyond where these bikes can take you. Where do you go from your first bike?
Agreed. It's a good idea. I've been ruminating on that one for a while, actually. I just haven't been sure if anyone would be interested. I think my top 5 "second bikes" would include the two 300s from this video and add the 450L, DRZ, and the WR250R. Maybe a 501 or something from Husky/KTM?
New to the channel but for sure this is another very very nice video. Question for you: now that you've tested the Himalayan where would you put it in this list if it was a "top 6 list"?
The CRF now comes with a lower seat height….LS model. The KLX300 SM has a lower seat height. I would like the SM model, and have the option of installing a 50/50 tire….I mean ground clearance is still high enough, even w a smaller seat height.
I have a choice between a 2019 XT250 with 2500 miles for 4k or a 2023 KLX230 NEW for $5400. Which should I get? So now your advantage of the KLX300 should be even bigger now that you know how soft the CRF300's non adjustable suspension is.
The Other Bike is the Suzuki TS 185. Extremely tough, low maintenance, balanced can throw it around and zip through the scrub, yes its a 2 stroke, though i have seen them sprocketed to do 120km/h on Highway. I have owned the xt 250 and klx 250, as well as many others and would say the TS 185 would certailny be the Bike of choice for a beginner.
Since you now have a Dork Followiung, I feel that you need an update to your name ... Since you are now the Top Dork, I'm thinking "Dorkious Maximus" , and of course add a red crest (mohawk) to the helmet to show your rank
Please would you tell me if honda xr150 will be a good bike for trail riding and would make it on uphill. Im 5ft tall and 138 pounds looking for a dual sport bike
I have only ridden 2 wheel motorcycle once before. And that was 25 years ago. I'm looking to get into Dual sport and have a few used Hondas I want to look at. I have a 2018 crf250l lined up to look at but a nice 2016 crf650l came up for sale near me and I am wondering if I should just keep focused on the 250. Any advice is appreciated.
Luv muh Dub!!!! At 5'8" I am comfortable. It's plenty of bike to rock crawl and go up single track. Luv muh xt250 too. But to be honest, I love that fat tire on the TW200.
Great video. I was lucky to grab a CRF300L this year wanted to know... what size MT21 and D606 did you run on your CRF250L? Thanks in advance for any feedback.
agree your list，and i got a klx230 last month。 actually，KLX 300 or crf300 should be better choice，but both of them are not available in local market， it's really a pity。 Good thing is，KLX230 can give me fun off-road， much more than ducati scrambler 800 that another motocycle i owned。
Used TW200s and XT250s are overpriced and sell fast and new ones are out of stock everywhere in my area. I've been dying to test ride one to figure out if that's my go-to first bike.
Question about my height for Yamaha XT250. I'm 5'11', inseam about 32". Keep hearing that the XT250 is great for shorter riders, but I'm not short and wondering if this bike will fit me. I've sat on one, but having been riding only a scooter (Honda PCX 150) for 2 years, so I don't have the frame of reference to know what would be comfortable. Looking for first bike to do mostly paved backroads with the capability of doing packed gravel - all rides likely sub-100 miles. I'm very athletic, but at +60 years of age, I don't bounce as well as I used to!!! Thanks for any advice.
I think you're picking bikes you would ride given your current skills, can you beat something like a Honda CT125 Trail for a young beginner? My 1st bike was an XL125S and I learned to go anywhere on that thing.
What a small engine size adventure motorcycle video? With motorcycles like the royal Enfield Himalayan on it. I would like to see you do a test ride on one. I test rode one a few weeks ago and I was very impressed with it.
Yes, a video for me. I’m riding a BMW K1600B and have been on the road for many years. I have not which I now will want to ride off road on beginner trails. Questions: 1. How many miles will I get on a 2 gallon tank let’s say on the KLX? 2. Being a dummy, I’m have a hard time understanding suspension travel front and rear. Is that how far the shocks compress? I also agree on changing your name like to Sir Dork 😆 Good video, I’m looking into these bikes
On my 2020 KLX250 I got 67 miles per gallon riding a dirt rode with 4,000 feet of elevation gain and about the same on the way home riding the hardball. I love my KLX for the Colorado offroad trails. 5 weeks owning the bike now. For extra fuel I am looking to buy two Primus 1.5 liter bottles and Enduristan bottle holders.
Is the suspension on CRF versus the klx that much of a difference? No one has the klx, the CRF I can buy it in 2 weeks. I have no experience with dirt bikes, but I've owned a 1200 ninja and been riding quads. I've got a Polaris sportsman 500. I have Rocky and packed dirt trails all around me.
You'd think if Kawasaki got a pro photographer out to shoot the KLX230 promo images they could have slipped him an extra tenner to 'shop out the kickstand.
I haven't ridden one but I get the sense they're pretty beginner friendly. I generally don't recommend non Japanese bikes just because of reliability concerns.
Great video ! Newbie to ur channel....QUESTION.?.I'm about to embark on a RTW tour solo. I'm curious what are your thoughts ? I've narrowed it down to the BMW baby gs 310 vs the Honda crf300 rally. However I'm obsessed with the Himalayan and the Husqvarna, but I feel the first 2 are more realistic for me. I've been watching Itchy and seems because the 300 is so new, she has had to adjust and get "other" model parts along her journey. Where as the 310 go has been out since 2017, so way more options for parts. I'd love your thoughts. I currently own a HD 1200 custom, that has been customized for me. But the off road backroads I will be enjoying, it won't work for my RTW trip...thank you so much
Of your options, the Honda is going to be the most reliable, which would be my primary concern in your situation. I see your point about parts availability for the 300L...but have you thought about a 250L rally? Plenty of 250L parts out there and they're rock solid reliable...plus you should be able to pick one up cheaper used. Steph Jeavons rode around the world on a regular 250L, so something to maybe consider. Good luck!
@@DorkintheRoad I love your 400cc, its an awesome bike. The CRF 250 used here in California for the most part are super close to the new price for the 300, and the 250 is heavier.. Now with that said, I haven't weighed my gear yet.. but, even though Im short at 5'3" Im very strong, so maybe up to 375LBS wouldnt matter as much? ( soccer all my life so My lowers are built ) and Im above avg. upper body too, as a currently injured fire fighter - so theres that.. SO maybe the 250 L Rally is the best?, I would love your thoughts on any other brands, as my inseam is 28" and I like the Yamaha too, and of course, pretty any bike other than a kids bike, Im one legging it anyways.. I just cant seem to decide..Im test riding a few next week, but I really want to narrow it down LOL
Hey Dork, you've A GOTTA set up some guided tours. I'll bet it would be a hell of a side biz for you. I'm sure you'd have plenty of people wanting to sign up 🙂. I mean, Bret Tkacs is cool, but he's no internet riding buddy 👍
Yeah I've been thinking hard about it. Just lots of questions about liability and the like. That and I feel weird charging people but definitely don't have time to do it for free... So I get stuck between and end up doing nothing 😂
What to you think of the KTM 350 EXC-F as a first dual sport? Are they that much more demanding maintenance wise than, say, a KLX 300? I know there's a big price difference, but I like the idea of lighter weight, and a local dealer has a 2023 KTM discounted which is making it more tempting. Any thoughts?
I think it's a bad idea. That's a very different bike than a KLX300. Harder to ride and maintain in a lot of ways. The 350 is a better second bike in my opinion
I might be a bit bias lol, but would take the DR200 over the TW200 and XT250 all day long. It was a little harder to pick it over some of the others though particularly the KLX230, but the little DR still won my money in the end.
I'm rocking a sweet 2018 dr200 myself. Just getting ready to put on hand guards, skid plate, and some Trackmasters. I think it will look larger and tougher with all that on there.
Not really any such thing as a 'beginner' bike ... hype by retailers to sell you something bigger. Bigger does not equate to advanced riding ... it really comes down to your preference and and intended purpose. For tooling around on the acreage, crf300, tooling around the Carpathian Mountains ... Africa Twin size.
Today is new bike day for me. Put a deposit down on a CRF300 back in March and was just delivered.
I've got a little over 100 miles on my 2022 klx 300 grey camo of coarse and I absolutely love it.
Does your bike overheat?
Good list, good break down. I'd suggest drop the 2 minutes preamble, get into the meat of it quicker and include HP, Torque, RPM band and Top road speeds
It's nice when people get right into it. A short intro is ok.
The intro is great because he helps people understand his reasoning. This isn't a Tik Tok video.
Also, TH-cam videos are preferred to be longer or a minimum length for monetization purposes… maybe get a couple commercials in there, at least 1 commercial break. Relax
I just put a down payment on a klx300 and I stumbled across your channel, just wanna say I love your excitebike intro lmao. One of my favorite games growing up
Good list! As I am a Honda fanboy, I would have the CRF300L on top, but I haven’t ridden either one, and they seem to be so similar, it could no doubt go either way. I do own both Yamahas on the list. The TW200 is such a unique bike, and I often say that riding it is like riding a 4 wheeler with 2 wheels. The XT 250 feels more like a “real bike” when compared to the TW. And by that, I just mean that it has much more of a traditional motorcycle feel, being that the Tdub is such a different animal. They are both fun to ride and have served to get my sons into riding. I’m really enjoying your content!
Fully agree with your list!
One thing I would strongly recommend is that if it is your first bike, opt for a used one over a new one. My first bike was only ridden on the farm as a boy, and after five years of riding it only the wheels, frame and engine remained 😂. Good thing it was a Honda - just kept going and going, running on the gas I stole out of my dad's truck.
The point is that as you push your riding and skill up, those little oopsies do occur from time to time. Rather have it be on a cheaper used bike than a brand new one.
Thanks for another beginner-friendly video. Here in my neck of the woods, “availability” is the whole game. My local Honda dealers are taking payments for CRF300s to be delivered in (wait for it) November. And they’re marking them up $1200 over MSRP with “fees” of all kinds. (I was lucky to find a used 2020 WR250 from a guy who was desperate to sell, at a great price.) Thanks again.
Loving my WR250R
I'm picking up a KLX300 in two days. I used to own a KDX220, XR400, DRZ400.....I think it will do just fine, a Tenere 700 will be added later....the tdub is really a fun little bike.
How you doing with your KLX?
Hard to beat the TW 200. I'd like to see a fuel injected model with rear disc brake, but aside from that, I think it's perfect the way it is.
I went from many HD's, to Buell, then Road racing (WERA Amateur) , Kawi ZX6R, Yamaha FZ1, a Supermoto phase, lastly an Indian FTR1200. I REALLY want a TW200 after being without a bike for the first time since 1987. Why? IT HAS A CARB, and I can work on it without a dealer; and I want to bring back the feeling of riding just for fun on any surface and not trying to impress anyone or collecting tickets or trophies. ( I have a few of each). I think that the Yamaha TW200 may have a badge of honor of being the last CARBURATED mass produced bike that excels at nothing but fun. I hope Yamaha makes this model until I get my hands on one!
@@toddbates5359 Dr.Z 400 sm?
One thing you didn’t mention is the Yamahas are built in Japan. I think the others are built in Thailand if I’m not mistaken.
Great video. It’s been about 35 years since I was on a bike last. Your video will guide me! Thank you! 💖
I bought the KLX300 it’s a friendly bike and has taken me places I never thought I could go.
hey dork! i circled back to this video, as i'm fully into my journey for my first bike now, and it still holds up mid 2023!
i wanted to comment because i have to admit, after 9 months on the waitlist, i just rejected the 300L i had reserved 😱
why you might ask? well, the long and the short of it (heh.) comes down to my stubby little legs... i'm 5'6" ~125lb, and just walking up to the 300L my impression immediately was this thing is absolutely MASSIVE! i was able to toe down on one side barely.. looking into lowering it would cost minimum $500 for a shaved seat and lowering link - or upwards of $1500 for new suspension.. i moved my reservation to the 300LS (new shortie model), but I fear this bike is also just going to be too bulky.. i'll be able to touch the floor on the LS, but the bike is just so honkin wide! maybe its the liquid cooling that is making this bike so much bigger than bikes on the first half of your list??
going into the showroom gave me an opportunity to explore some other options, and i agree with the first half of your list wholeheartedly! the xt250 and the klx230s both felt like reasonabled sized bikes (not only the height, but the overall size of the entire bike). i haven't sat on a tw200 yet, but i'm intrigued!
for someone looking to just get into some leisurely forest road riding, maybe the 300L is just overkill for my needs. it's got all the bells and whistles, but maybe i'll benefit from keeping things simple. i'll surely benefit from being able to confidently ride and maneuver a much smaller bike.
thanks again for the content!
One motorcycle that no one commented on that could be added to the list is the Suzuki Van Van 200. The last model year for it in the USA was 2019. It is similar to the Yamaha TW200. It has similar fat tires. It is slightly more street oriented. It is fuel injected. So no plugged up carburetor jets if you forget to drain the carburetor bowl at the end of riding season.
I went with the KLX300 camo just because the plastics, I know...I'm a tool, but I like it. I came across some nice GS310s and thought about the CRF300, but the KLX won me over. I'm still going to buy a used TW200 or XT200.
Hahah that's awesome good for you
Great video! I would rate them the same. I just picked up my KLX 300 Camo a week ago and was also considering the CRF 300L. Tight margins but the suspension, engine, and looks of the Camo version made my decision easier to make. I also have a middleweight ADV bike and what a difference to ride the KLX. So light and nimble with impressive power and good suspension that makes a difference when riding off-road. If I were a beginner rider that planned on using the bike as a commuter and for off-road, I would probably lean towards the CRF with ABS and the better informative display for shifting and a gas gauge included. KLX for more intermediate riders with longer-term enjoyability without having to upgrade much.
The KLX300 cost $2500 MORE than the CRF300L crazy
Klx300 has adjustable suspension and a replaceable subframe. If you loop a 300l you may be looking at a total.
Thank you for the “intermediate” comment regarding the KLX 300. I bought the 2022 Camo version of this bike, and I am not a beginner. You get a sub-$7,000 motorcycle with long service intervals and enough low-end torque to climb walls, if you add a 13 tooth front sprocket. I fail to see the justification for labeling the the KLX 300 a “beginner” bike.
@@scottjackson163 @Scott Jackson I was | | < this close to getting it over my 2020 WR250R but it was just that last bit of polish away. That being said I would get it way way before a DRZ or CRF any day of the week.
I have never understood the desire for a camo ATV or motorcycle. When I park somewhere in the woods, I want to be able to find it again...
I have long suggested a KLX250 was the best Dual Sport for a beginner or anyone wanting to try out Dual Sport riding and the KLX300 is even better. Excellent #1 choice :).
Great job reporting on these bikes.
I agree, they are all good machines.
If you are going to give the very dated TW a chance to be included in this review I feel the Suzuki DR 200 should be included. I understand that many riders have taken this small duel sport on some extended trips and it does very well. I have a new Kawasaki KLX 230s which includes a lower seat height. I plan to take it on a ride trip.
Fantastic selection! Quality video. Thank you! 😊
Thank you for the video. I tried to ride my boyfriend's Yamaha Majesty 400 scooter/motorcycle, and while I did an okay job, it was just too big, too heavy. Then I heard about dual sports and the Yamaha XT250; something that I had my eyes on for a while. I'm definitely thinking about getting that one because of the low seat height. But I'll look into the TW200 as well.
I think you'll be happy either way. Good luck with your search
Would 100% recommend the XT 250. Been riding mine since June and love it.
All great choices, agree 100%, great advice.
Thanks, Ronny!
Love my KT250, fun bike.
I know I'm late to the party, but thank you! I'm looking at a 2023 KLX230s, and will be likely picking it up soon. Glad to hear it's bigger sister is good as well
That’s the way I would have picked them too. Good job man.
I'm happy to hear you agree!
Just tested the XT250 great fun and I could pass it along to my son.
But - ahem - do you know what SM stands for lol. Super Moto is an entirely different style and not really for beginners.
Ride safe all! 🏁
i have YAMAHA XTZ125. i didnt regret it. small cc bike very fun to ride around Mountains of Cebu. :)
For the most part I agree with you, tho I feel the 300l is a better bike to start on. My main reason for this is the slipper clutch installed to the 300l, it gives a beginner more leeway when drops in gear happen as well as downshifting. I have rode both and did a side by side review, and that clutch surprisingly makes a difference. The disconnect from the instant engine grab is much more forgiving. Again great video man!
Very good point
@@DorkintheRoad I look forward to seeing your reaction when you get to ride the 300L. I can tell you have a soft spot in your heart for the 250L so I know you will love the 300.
My neighbor is getting one and he is gonna let me test ride it 😁
@@DorkintheRoad Awesome!
I feel the Wr is still leading the pack for best overall bike its just hard to beat after all these years the 300 are still playing catch up. The Wr was doing everything better then the 300s 13 years ago... I just feel it was a missed opportunity for Honda and kawasaki big time even though the bikes are nice and they are going to sell the real riders no if they would have came with that 35-40hp bike it would have changed everything.
The WR is too tall for most beginner riders IMO. It is a great bike, but I will put beginners on the TW for a long while before they get to ride my WR.
DEFINITELY gonna pull the trigger on a TW200 once I save up the cash for a bike!
I am not a new rider but have now UPGRADED to a small bike because the weight gain of the big bikes just became too much. Settled on the CRF300L Rally because the Kawa is not available over here, and Honda doesn’t make a CRF450L.
Very good choices!
Great list! I would add a suzuki dr200. It's a great starter bike and for single track would be hard to beat. I've been riding for 30 plus years and keep going back . Cheers!
I'm stuck between a TW, XT, DR, and KLX. I wish the TW had a larger gas tank like the XT. 2.6 gallons.
Great info dork. Thanks for being excellent!
I chose the klx 230 over the klx 300 because of the gearing between 1st and 2nd gear. I had to order it so it should be here any day. I hope i made the right choice.
I feel like a kid waiting for Santa
Enjoyed that one.
Well said.
it would be great if we could get the Tdub here in Australia , i have the latest we got here 2006 model , always fun to ride , i have been riding off road for 50 years now , mx , trail , enduro , my current ride is a 2011 ktm 250exc 2 banger , lic ,and TW , just sold my ktm 500exc , thinking of buying a ktm 790. , you doing a awesome job keep up the good work . cheers steve/Australia
Thanks, Steve!
Top 5 beginners is great. I think another fantastic video idea would be a top 5 for intermediate riders. Something where you want to get a little bit beyond where these bikes can take you. Where do you go from your first bike?
Agreed. It's a good idea. I've been ruminating on that one for a while, actually. I just haven't been sure if anyone would be interested. I think my top 5 "second bikes" would include the two 300s from this video and add the 450L, DRZ, and the WR250R. Maybe a 501 or something from Husky/KTM?
I kinda wish there were more bikes to pick from in the 6-7000 range, some are below 6 and then go to at least 8500+
New to the channel but for sure this is another very very nice video.
Question for you: now that you've tested the Himalayan where would you put it in this list if it was a "top 6 list"?
I'd put it on my best beginner adventure bikes list: th-cam.com/video/Li-AOPfwOmA/w-d-xo.html
@@DorkintheRoad cool !
Nice list but DR200 all day for the learner rider.
Well done 👍 thank you
The CRF now comes with a lower seat height….LS model.
The KLX300 SM has a lower seat height. I would like the SM model, and have the option of installing a 50/50 tire….I mean ground clearance is still high enough, even w a smaller seat height.
I have a choice between a 2019 XT250 with 2500 miles for 4k or a 2023 KLX230 NEW for $5400. Which should I get?
So now your advantage of the KLX300 should be even bigger now that you know how soft the CRF300's non adjustable suspension is.
The Other Bike is the Suzuki TS 185. Extremely tough, low maintenance, balanced can throw it around and zip through the scrub, yes its a 2 stroke, though i have seen them sprocketed to do 120km/h on Highway. I have owned the xt 250 and klx 250, as well as many others and would say the TS 185 would certailny be the Bike of choice for a beginner.
I've never seen anyone on a TW that didn't have a big smile on their face. 🙂
Nice video I like that rally. I have a harley and a suzuki van van 200.
Nice work Dork 👍. I really want that KLX 300, But I'm afraid I might be too heavy for it. It's making me think that I'd be happier back on a KLR 650
Thanks Badger 😁
According to the tag on my klx 300 the rider/cargo capacity is 400 ish lbs.
Great list! Have you done any videos dedicated to the WR250R?
Sadly a lot of folks have dropped it due to being discontinued... Still head and shoulders above most dualsports
i’m curious why the yamaha wr250r isn’t on there? i’m loving it as my first bike
When is Yamaha going to announce the WR300F!?!?!?
Soon I hope
If the preproduction time for the Tenere 700 are any indication… maybe in a decade.
**Yamaha WR300[R]
"F" is the off-road only version. "R" is the dual-sport version.
For trail riding is ABS good or bad? was thinking ABS may throw off the riding on offroads.
Nice list, A+
these (especially the last 3) seems similar to enduro bikes, what are the main differences that makes them dual sport and not enduro?
Can’t beat my 2023 KTM 500 six days….you only live once so go for all the gusto
Since you now have a Dork Followiung, I feel that you need an update to your name ... Since you are now the Top Dork, I'm thinking "Dorkious Maximus" , and of course add a red crest (mohawk) to the helmet to show your rank
I DO need a mohawk!
We can be your Dork Heads
🤣🍻
@@tinmisuun "I'm surrounded by assholes!"
@@DorkintheRoadif we are talking about renaming ... may I throw 'Dork Vader' into the ring for consideration?
Did the brozz 250 not make it due to requiring mechanical knowledge?
Would the list change for someone who rode offroad a lot and first time going street legal ?
Please would you tell me if honda xr150 will be a good bike for trail riding and would make it on uphill.
Im 5ft tall and 138 pounds looking for a dual sport bike
I have only ridden 2 wheel motorcycle once before. And that was 25 years ago. I'm looking to get into Dual sport and have a few used Hondas I want to look at. I have a 2018 crf250l lined up to look at but a nice 2016 crf650l came up for sale near me and I am wondering if I should just keep focused on the 250. Any advice is appreciated.
Luv muh Dub!!!! At 5'8" I am comfortable. It's plenty of bike to rock crawl and go up single track. Luv muh xt250 too. But to be honest, I love that fat tire on the TW200.
Do you have an updated 2023 video?
Great video. I was lucky to grab a CRF300L this year wanted to know... what size MT21 and D606 did you run on your CRF250L? Thanks in advance for any feedback.
agree your list，and i got a klx230 last month。 actually，KLX 300 or crf300 should be better choice，but both of them are not available in local market， it's really a pity。 Good thing is，KLX230 can give me fun off-road， much more than ducati scrambler 800 that another motocycle i owned。
Used TW200s and XT250s are overpriced and sell fast and new ones are out of stock everywhere in my area. I've been dying to test ride one to figure out if that's my go-to first bike.
Question about my height for Yamaha XT250. I'm 5'11', inseam about 32". Keep hearing that the XT250 is great for shorter riders, but I'm not short and wondering if this bike will fit me. I've sat on one, but having been riding only a scooter (Honda PCX 150) for 2 years, so I don't have the frame of reference to know what would be comfortable. Looking for first bike to do mostly paved backroads with the capability of doing packed gravel - all rides likely sub-100 miles. I'm very athletic, but at +60 years of age, I don't bounce as well as I used to!!! Thanks for any advice.
Can the crf300l rally handle the highway though? especially with gear and racks, etc? 65, 70, 75mph?
Is your DRZ400 not good for beginners?
It's a little tall and torquey for a brand new rider
What about the Royal Enfield Himalayan?
I think you're picking bikes you would ride given your current skills, can you beat something like a Honda CT125 Trail for a young beginner? My 1st bike was an XL125S and I learned to go anywhere on that thing.
What a small engine size adventure motorcycle video? With motorcycles like the royal Enfield Himalayan on it. I would like to see you do a test ride on one. I test rode one a few weeks ago and I was very impressed with it.
th-cam.com/video/Li-AOPfwOmA/w-d-xo.html
Yes, a video for me. I’m riding a BMW K1600B and have been on the road for many years. I have not which I now will want to ride off road on beginner trails. Questions:
1. How many miles will I get on a 2 gallon tank let’s say on the KLX?
2. Being a dummy, I’m have a hard time understanding suspension travel front and rear. Is that how far the shocks compress?
I also agree on changing your name like to Sir Dork 😆
Good video, I’m looking into these bikes
1. Right around 100 miles a tank on basically any small dual sport, in my experience.
2. Yes
@@DorkintheRoad Do you ever carry a back up tank with gas or keep your trips under that 100 miles?
I have a giant loop gas bag that works well.
@@DorkintheRoad I’ll look those up
On my 2020 KLX250 I got 67 miles per gallon riding a dirt rode with 4,000 feet of elevation gain and about the same on the way home riding the hardball. I love my KLX for the Colorado offroad trails. 5 weeks owning the bike now. For extra fuel I am looking to buy two Primus 1.5 liter bottles and Enduristan bottle holders.
How about a Brozz Recon??
Dork this video is awesome
Is the suspension on CRF versus the klx that much of a difference? No one has the klx, the CRF I can buy it in 2 weeks. I have no experience with dirt bikes, but I've owned a 1200 ninja and been riding quads. I've got a Polaris sportsman 500. I have Rocky and packed dirt trails all around me.
You'd think if Kawasaki got a pro photographer out to shoot the KLX230 promo images they could have slipped him an extra tenner to 'shop out the kickstand.
Are those seat height the resting height or the height with rear sag set?
Resting, unladen.
Thanks. Where would you place the Enfield Himalayan? Would you recommend it at all? 43yr old no experience rider lol. Thanks
I haven't ridden one but I get the sense they're pretty beginner friendly. I generally don't recommend non Japanese bikes just because of reliability concerns.
Klx230 vs crf250l ?
In Sweden you can get a klx230 2020 for the same price as a used 2016 crf 250l
Great video ! Newbie to ur channel....QUESTION.?.I'm about to embark on a RTW tour solo. I'm curious what are your thoughts ? I've narrowed it down to the BMW baby gs 310 vs the Honda crf300 rally. However I'm obsessed with the Himalayan and the Husqvarna, but I feel the first 2 are more realistic for me. I've been watching Itchy and seems because the 300 is so new, she has had to adjust and get "other" model parts along her journey. Where as the 310 go has been out since 2017, so way more options for parts. I'd love your thoughts. I currently own a HD 1200 custom, that has been customized for me. But the off road backroads I will be enjoying, it won't work for my RTW trip...thank you so much
Of your options, the Honda is going to be the most reliable, which would be my primary concern in your situation. I see your point about parts availability for the 300L...but have you thought about a 250L rally? Plenty of 250L parts out there and they're rock solid reliable...plus you should be able to pick one up cheaper used.
Steph Jeavons rode around the world on a regular 250L, so something to maybe consider. Good luck!
@@DorkintheRoad I love your 400cc, its an awesome bike. The CRF 250 used here in California for the most part are super close to the new price for the 300, and the 250 is heavier.. Now with that said, I haven't weighed my gear yet.. but, even though Im short at 5'3" Im very strong, so maybe up to 375LBS wouldnt matter as much? ( soccer all my life so My lowers are built ) and Im above avg. upper body too, as a currently injured fire fighter - so theres that.. SO maybe the 250 L Rally is the best?, I would love your thoughts on any other brands, as my inseam is 28" and I like the Yamaha too, and of course, pretty any bike other than a kids bike, Im one legging it anyways.. I just cant seem to decide..Im test riding a few next week, but I really want to narrow it down LOL
Little 250’s are my favs
Old 1 will outlast any new one
Your forgetting to mention air cooling and liquid cooling.
Hey Dork, you've A GOTTA set up some guided tours. I'll bet it would be a hell of a side biz for you. I'm sure you'd have plenty of people wanting to sign up 🙂. I mean, Bret Tkacs is cool, but he's no internet riding buddy 👍
Yeah I've been thinking hard about it. Just lots of questions about liability and the like. That and I feel weird charging people but definitely don't have time to do it for free... So I get stuck between and end up doing nothing 😂
What to you think of the KTM 350 EXC-F as a first dual sport? Are they that much more demanding maintenance wise than, say, a KLX 300? I know there's a big price difference, but I like the idea of lighter weight, and a local dealer has a 2023 KTM discounted which is making it more tempting. Any thoughts?
I think it's a bad idea. That's a very different bike than a KLX300. Harder to ride and maintain in a lot of ways. The 350 is a better second bike in my opinion
@@DorkintheRoad Thank you, much appreciated.
There are klx 230s used on the market as for the crf300l and the klx 300 they come up but don't last
The KLX230S has a couple inch lower seat height then the KLX230
Such a great and informative video appreciate it! Gained a sub from me
My first bike was a 71 xt250
Good list
Great list! All of these bikes are fun little bouncy poppers! Don't start on a YZ250 2-stroke like me. That was not smart on my part!
Everyone starts somewhere! ;)
I might be a bit bias lol, but would take the DR200 over the TW200 and XT250 all day long. It was a little harder to pick it over some of the others though particularly the KLX230, but the little DR still won my money in the end.
I'm rocking a sweet 2018 dr200 myself.
Just getting ready to put on hand guards, skid plate, and some Trackmasters. I think it will look larger and tougher with all that on there.
@@JCrozier1 yep, got the barkbusters, ricochet skid plate, cycleracks rack and Dunlop D606 tyres on mine. Really fun little bike ;)
I don't think you can go wrong either way. I just have a soft spot for the TW200. The DR200 is a fun little bike.
The XT250 is a reliable machine
No DR, at all?!?
Great day
Nice video but you missed the most important stats which are the horsepower and torque
How about a "Top Five ADVENTURE Motorcycles for Beginners"
How about a top 6? th-cam.com/video/Li-AOPfwOmA/w-d-xo.html
Not really any such thing as a 'beginner' bike ... hype by retailers to sell you something bigger. Bigger does not equate to advanced riding ... it really comes down to your preference and and intended purpose. For tooling around on the acreage, crf300, tooling around the Carpathian Mountains ... Africa Twin size.
Hawk 250!
TW200, XT225, XT 225
Made in Japan quality