Slip-sheet ECOLOGISTIK® | Pallet Less Concept demonstration
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- Slip Sheet : Pallet Less Concept - ECOLOGISTIK®
Get rid of pallets and stabilize your packaging.
Your products are palletized directly on a ECOLOGISTIK® cardboard sheet.
This cardboard slipsheet can be used to handle all sorts of loads.
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5 REASONS TO USE ECOLOGISTIC®:
- INCREASE THE LOADING VOLUME
- LOWER YOUR PALLET COSTS
- DO AWAY WITH WOOD
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Having used one many times over the last 20 years they do have a place. However in my experience light freight is ok. But when you get heavy stuff inevitably the tab gets torn and your pretty well screwed. And even if the tab is good the fork blades can damage things. Plus it significantly reduces the lifting capacity of the lift being used.
That was my observation when used at a company in Vancouver, Wa years ago. The slip sheet movers were useful , but not for everything
From your experience, what do you think about wine bottles (glass)? They can go easily above 1200 kg.
Rani Anfibio they will work so long as the slip sheet is of proper quality. I wouldn’t want to do glass bottles with one unless I didn’t have to stack anything.
@@haywoodgiblomi Fair enough. We already have had some problems with wine bottles in the standard wood bases (although in all fairness part of it is due to the cheap bases some of our suppliers use)
Sometimes if its really heavy stuff, it should be doubled slipped.
What an extremely clever system, with all the benefits of not buying, storing, handling and repairing wooden pallets!
The heavy load sits lower, meaning a lower centre of gravity and better vehicle handling, less weight without pallets, too.
Thank you for your comment. You can find more information about Ecologistik concept here : www.cgp-coating.com/ecologistik-slipsheet-f-14.html?lng=2
Everything he is doing is taken twice as long as a regular forklift. Not to mention you'll are probably one of the few distributors who use this machine, how exactly is the next stop going to unload efficiently??
Dear Paul, it may be necessary to get proper training in order to aquire the best practices and enable you to perform as quick as with a forklift. it's like iceskating ... it takes a while to get use to but after you go much faster than walking :)
CGP COATING INNOVATION i don't care how often you go ice skating.... the amount of time it takes that machine to pull and load..i could have 3 pallets picked pulled and stored.
CGP COATING INNOVATION And warehouses have sooo much extra time to thoroughly train new people.
You've never actually worked in a large warehouse, have you...?
I hate unloading slip sheet trailers. Either do it by hand or damage product trying to clamp it. Slip sheets need to go away
The only problem with that is that many forklifts still being used today don’t have a sheet-clamp system like they’ve demonstrated here, so if anything will be more difficult trying to get the forks to properly balance and secure the sheet on the forklift than if you were to just use a pallet.
I've been using a slip on Purina brand dog foods and Anchor/ Libby glass for over 15 years. Works great, reduced pallet weight and cost, and valuable space on trailers.
Dg worker🤣🤣
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@@wreckandraceify I’m currently slipping 12ft tall material from rail carts 😪
Got one of these at work. One of our suppliers insists the container space gained by not using pallets is worth the extra time spent tipping. All of their stock is rack only so it has to palletised anyway.
All of that faffing about means their stock ends up with the highest amount of damages, thereby cancelling out the benefit of getting more in a container!
Seems like you are using a similar product and not ours as we always make tests to make sure that the products won't be damaged during the transportation. We also have a Technical Center which can simulate transport conditions check it here : th-cam.com/video/0ftus4rvKDM/w-d-xo.html
Nice concept but many issues already mentioned in the comments. I will add one more. On your example of manipulating bottles with waster, you indicate the free space above the load. How would you like to use that? Put another batch of bottles? If so you would be over the weight limit of the truck.
I am sure there would be interesting applications, but you choose wrong example.
In that sort of scenario your best option would be to use the latest SOA load building software in the market. Which will automatically take into account restrictions such as axle weight, total weight and total volume giving you the best loading possible. Have you ever heard about ORTEC's software?
I like how the slipsheet loads arrive all turned over from the driver doing doughnuts and you have to hand stack any damn way
Great idea, but trouble is that the pallet is the standardised system. To get this to work, you would need a forklift capable at drop off location as well, there isn't any way of doing this with a hand truck either.
Only effective if every delivery point has the same attachments...otherwise it's completely useless. What you need is a thin, light weight pallet that can be easily managed by all forklift and pallet jacks. Been operating forklifts for nearly ten years.
I operated a Slip Sheet Machine 40 years ago at Golden Gem Growers in central Florida. Sometimes the slip sheets tear and then you're screwed.
This is old technology.
Guys - There is some pretty (sadly) thick comments below. In my previous experience, we have used these attachments for bulk loading into containers. Our factory staff stack export only product on a slipsheet, sitting on a pallet. When we go to load the container, the pallets are pulled out to the container using a standard forklift and then loaded using the slipsheeter. This allows for approx 2x extra units high to be stacked and saves a huge amount of time with hand stacking.
And yet you cant place another skid because the fork attachment is taller than the product.
Is this slip sheet lift difficult to operate?I understand when you unload you cant start backing up until you've pushed the load about 7 inches off of the forks and only when you have enough space you can drive forward when pulling the load onto the forks.I have a try out in a couple days and I'm wondering if I understand the fundamentals will i be able to show the job i can l operate the slip sheet and get the job.
Stephen Dinale 👍
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Hey, you don't need to put another batch on top, the advantage is that you get a lower center of gravity... But you still have a good point...
The slip sheet machine is an attachment the fork lift with its own control, just a little more the operation and as for stacking 3 high you stack it and unstack it on the dock not in the trailer
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Imagine what 10 years of this will do to the floors of warehouses being scraped away, the floors of trucks being torn to shreds, and the countless "spatulas" that will need to be replaced due to endless grinding on those surfaces. A lighter, stronger, and more readily recyclable pallet would be a much better use of R&D money. Plus, as mentioned in the comments, the infrastructure is already in place worldwide.
You can try and add room for more pallets but remember trucks have weigh restrictions on the front axles and rear axles.
Pallets weigh all of 30- 50 lbs .An 18-20 pallet load only accounts for 540- 1000lbs max .Generally this doesn't add up to even one extra pallet worth of saved weight , but damaged product certainly seems to increase quite a bit .
This is alright in terms of space; but only can use if you have the nesaccery attachments for the forlklifer's handlement..
Slip sheets are used to save room on truck. Those pallets use up valuable space on long hauls that could otherwise be used for product. Plus pallets aren't cheap.
In order to rack them in warehouse, you need pallets anyway. Slipsheets just add another wasted step.
PatrickA65. You have it all wrong here. Yes pallets are still needed, but think about the cost and extra weight to ship pallets? That's a lot of money wasted every year in shipping space and weight! Plus the people who use this would be huge bulk shippers and receivers, this would cut cost down and you could reuse the pallets and not need to bring more into your factory or warehouse. If I could sell and ship you 4 pallets at the price of 3.5 pallets, I'm sure you would take that. Even if we had to re pallet it later. Paying a guy on the fork lift to work more, or paying a shipping company way more and ship less product?
Ryan W but you spend that on temp personnel to keep taking off pallets and put on pallets and not only do you have to invest in the technology but so does your customers.
@@Ryan-re1rs not to mention investing in the type of lift shown in the video.
@@doomedjls this is a regular forklift with a slipsheet attachment , just like you can put on a clamp or double forks or fork separator or whatever. i drove these with and without pallets . its a beautiful thing seeing a sea of product with no pallets . it can take more skill tbh
not if you are warehousing mattresses!
And why save room?? If anyways you cant overload the truck with more weight!!, And what about pallet jack??, Or you guys also sell cardboard jack!!??
Even though there is extra space you will still max the weight of the trailer and won’t be able to add much freight if any
Yes it is correct, if the product you load is heavy you will not add freight.But still you can find saving on pallet costs !
and how do you put it on racking?
will not be standard for sure
We have push-back racking at our facility, the entire 1M sf is racked. We have to receive the product, palletize it, place it in the rack system, and then retrieve and de-palletize it for shipping.
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Chunk that seems so inefficient. Palletize it to only depalletize it.
Zach Novosad only if you are slow
@@MiguelGonzalez-go2cu even if you're fast its still a waste of time.
0:59 wait ...there is a machine to do this ....... i'm gona punch my boss on monday
Orson in charge lol that’s nothing look up the lachenmeier power flex
I'm sure it's a real time saver when that low grade cardboard tears.
WOW! Cool! Less harmful to the nature and less garbage for workers! Genius people!
I,ve hauled slipsheeted loads..they rub on and damage the product.
You got rid of the only eco friendly part of the load.
The pallet is essential to keep the load off the floor.and is a renewable resource.
Your trying to fix somthing that isn't broken.
Nice for flat smooth concrete, but what about ground or rough surfaces like gravel etc?
Also how does these "pallets" handle products such as bricks, 50kg fertilizer bags etc?
This system doesn't look very practical for what I normally haul and where I haul it to. ✌🙂👍
Requires manufacturers, shippers, receivers to buy the fork lift.
pushing it out and backing up at the same time.. that goes well 9 times and then it sticks and takes the whole row down.
Good solution internally, externally no one has the proper equipment 🤷🏽♂️
Adds steps and cost...
No thanks - too slow and more room for damaging the product.
Nothing will beat pallets
How does the truck driver unloads on the delivery site?
Gijsbert van der Starre
Then you unloading the truck with your hands,better loading on pallets,thats the fasters way to load/unload trucks/containers.
Next Nexit lol. I have been doing it wrong all this time. Thanks ;-D
how the fuck is unloading with your hands faster
Rus Buda dude, a pallet is litterly 2-3 euro's. If unloading u can swap pallets with the other..
(-)MrQuatre11(-) I think he was being sarcastic
This is used in many BIG companies. ...that ship to other BIG companies that distribute
This would be a huge step forward for forklift technology, and Toyota seems to be leading the way.
It's practical for some uses however I could never fork my 100% in that I'm too used to the Toyota and the Raymond forks
How do you get a pallet jack under it?
You can't, they make it easy for the dock guys, but a nightmare for drivers
That is truckdrivers problem
This isn't a truck driver's problem.
It's a warehouse problem.
Go sit in your truck.
Jesussaviornumber1 it is not my problem cause at the very begening, the compagnie loding my truck with that stupid idea can suck my ballz hard. I will not allow my truck to be overweight. at the end, my truck will be loaded with pallet as it should be and the compagnie can go fuck off.. xD problem solved
You can't and it requires a special lift.
Looks good for Transocean delevery. Cause unload product from the floor.
You can save some hight, but you still can't get another slipsheet on top. So what's the point? Added labor and time...?
I use to work for a place in Bucyrus Ohio that had this same apparatus it’s been around sense the mid 90s that is not a concept when this has been around for years
Dear Dragon, it is correct the concept is not new... what is new is our way to run such project with our team located at the shiper site and also at the receiver site ... we help people to implement such a project and we provide training for the operators.
What if the place you ship it to doesn't have that type of forklift. Your screwed
You're not your
GOrdon food service in imperial pa orders French fries boxes 80 pounds that come in on slip sheets the make there employees hand unload them instead of buying the forklift
It does take longer to unload by hand. We deal with multiple products in containers and can take 8/9 hours with 3 people to unload by hand.
My company is trailing a slip sheet attachment at the moment.
And I feel once I get the hang of using it I should be able to unload it it around an hour.
Sounds like a saving to me.
I don't really see a point in this. Sure it may reduce a bit of height from the pallets, but you're giving up the stability provided from the pallet.
Also, if you make trucks shorter, you'd also need shorter forklifts, which just creates unnecessary expenses.
Dear Rafa, the load on the slipsheet is more stable than on a pallet. the point is to be able to load more in the container or the truck... you will load up to 15% extra.
CGP COATING INNOVATION where can you load 15% more bottled water on a trailer? You're restricted by axle weight as it is.
As much use as a chocolate teapot. The attachment cost for the fork truck would kill it off. The only placd I can see this as a good idea is a can manufacturer who takes them from A to B. They bulk out before they meet max weight. Customer would also need that fork truck.
The problem is: my forklift doesn't equipped with that 😪
it is only an attachment. Ask your forklift provider, he can rent or sell it.
How often do those knife edge forks impale or dismember workers?
Then the roof comes off tryna put a 3rd layer up or down because of the mast... Not to mention the people receiving it would have to off load by hand.90% of warehouses don't have slip forklift
How's the receiving gonna unload the cargo from the container?
Good solution however you skip xheap pallets and everyone need to buy expensive tools for handle..
A little bit water on the sheet and work is over.
That fork lift attachment probably costs a bunch of money, and the process takes longer
Amazing work
This system create much more work at the recieval point i know i have worked with it.
Plz tell me how can i make these slip sheet in my manufacturing unit
How do you move in a store 👀
End of the day the product still ends up on a pallet. I would rather go with the pallet load to save time at the delivery. The tie-high looks like a straight pull off . Just my opinion.
If that tab tears you're completely screwed!!!
More special equipment and more work to be done ye this is doomed to fail
Let's take a failed idea that is so bad most people haven't even heard of it, and re-brand it as "eco-friendly!"
What is wrong with slipsheets: 1) increased damage 2) increased cost of the push pull attachment 3) worse productivity in handling 4) increased training for drivers 5) increased cost because your 3PL will charge you to put it on a pallet 5) your customers will hate you and will find another vendor. 6) cost of slipsheet is throwaway because the product will end up on pallets anyway 6) no way to load from the wide side so can't pinwheel in a trailer so can't get 30 pallet positions in a 53' trailer.
Why?
Try slipping bags of dog food about 50 pallets worth all you have too to do scoop it by tilting your forks at an angle
What about different shaped objects
The slip sheet . Coors brewing company used these and they sucked . In early 2000 when Miller bought Coors they went back to shipping on pallets. Nestle Purina also used these and that was worse than Coors as they used super cheap cardboard sheets not heavy plastic pull and slip sheets and it was even easier for the platen to rip up the sheet and the bottom layer of bags or boxes if not picked up just right ...lol... These suck in real warehouse situation where you're going for speed unlike a demonstration where you have all the time in the world . Nothing like pulling unit off a UPL and watching the unit twist sideways as the sheet gets hung up .
☑ Awesome!!
As long as all we ever need is a pallet of water
And how does it get off loaded
This is really good i really learn this..keep it up on posting
This looks like it may take longer to in load than regular pallets
The receiving end is gonna be pretty pissed lol
To much weight doubled stack if nose to front of truck
im the master slipper .. been doing this shit for over ten years .. plastic slips are better when used with a cardboard slip together theyre pretty hard to rip .. almost anything can be slipped .. love that attachment ..
Are you guys able to use this for 5 gallon bucket? I'm currently looking at purchasing this attachment for my warehouse but I'm still trying to figure out versatility.
Rob Diesel
Will mean an investment by all in their forklifts, cannot see that happening if only dealing in low volumes here.
What are Aisle racking pallet
How is this better?
Dear Murphythe concept is many used when you want to ship large amount from A to B place.Many savings :- Pallet costs - Space to store pallet- Volume in the container .... and therefore transportation costs- Time to load and unload if you are against bulk load ...
Its not!
I hate slip trucks. And to unload your dont unstack by hand by what a few people in here say. We use a slip truck to take them off trailer. Then we slip them onto a pallet it would take all day to hand stack where as a slip truck takes about a hour. I work for liquor division and like i said i hate the slip but it does save on time big time. But all lift drivers love when trucks have product on pallets
How do I become a forklift operator? I need a job where I won't be lifting as heavy
You probably just need to apply lol. I'm not in the US but at my work we are always looking for forklift operators, mostly night shift jobs. You might start doing simple tasks such working at gound floor, stacking empty pallets, etc. then if you do a good job the company should pay for your forklift license and start doing real stuff. Light stuff is often carried by order picking lifts, but jebus order picking is a rather intense job.
What country are you working in and how long did it take you to become a forklift operator
wont work trust me
ага, внедрив эту технологию палетов - придётся всем такие погрузчики прикупить...
must make lining up that fork at odd angles a nightmare..
Take way to long to get on and off
Dear Jason, after training and practice, the operation time is the same as with loading or unloading pallets ;) It takes about 30 min. to unload a container.
Trying to re invent the wheel !
Not a viable product. I don't see any benefit to this from a standard pallet.
2:16 Now show how take'em off!!!
Today on shark tank everyone laughs pallet less design and tell them to quit wasting their money and time.
So On Smooth Surfaces , Containers , You Gain Space .
? On Rough Surfaces , Gravel , .... Difficult .
" Specialists Handling Equipment " ,
" Or Similar Needed "
" Cost ? "
" Expense "
Cost .... What Ever The Market Will Stand ... Commitment Needed .
Expense ... " Unfortunately One Or Two Staff Members May Be Retired To Have Justification Of Having A Different Type Of Fork Hoist ."
Has It Place ...
At A Cost
The Rub Marks On The Head Board Of The Truck , ( Horizontal Lines ) Shows How Pallets Walk Forward And Rub On The Head Board During Transportation , And Breaking .
Hint Place A Four By Two Across The Deck ( Left To Right ) To Avoid This .
2:02 That Drop .
-Not recommended to Rough surfaces
-You need a special attachment to the forklift (push/pull
// it can be plug in - plug out in 3 min. on standard forks
-Cost of a new equipment depends on dimensions and weight
-Cost of a slipsheet compare to a pallet is about 3 to 5 time less expensive
-You avoid manual loading/unloading operations and speed the process FCL 40' in less than an hour with 1 driver
@@cgpcoatinginnovation
Yes , It Is An Excellent Piece Of Handling Equipment .
It Has Excellent Reasons For Use .
I Have Seen Fonterra ( Milk Products ) Similar Machine Method ( Flat Tray )
I Have Used A Floating Table To Turn , Place And Lower On To The Stack .
( Twenty Five / Thirty Lbs Bags ) Air Is Injected Through Pin Holes In The Table To Make The Heavy Bagged Products " Float " So That They Can Be Spun , Aligned And Stacked When Table Is Removed . ( Fernz )
Thank You For Reading
And when it arrives to the customer LOL!
When it arrives they unload it with a push n pull...lol? Companies offer to ship on pallets or slipsheets
Useless unless you have the same equipment at delivery point
I like the push pull attachment for the motor. But stupid, terrible idea!
price
In a warehouse environment where "stacking" is essential your better off just using pallets. LLOP'S can pick up 2 pallets at a time but not these.....😏
Per scaricare?
that's all good but let's say a customer oder same amount product but all they is pallet jack then what.
Dear Doug, it is correct, you need a forklift and an attatchment !Pallet less concept is mainly dedicated to large volume flow ... in this case customers and.or logistic plateforms are equiped with forklift and the push pull attatchement is not a big investment.
Slides sheet =placas deslisantes
You couldn’t trust half the dopey forklift operators to operate this type of attachment with complete confidence
Palletless? More like pointless.
If a delivery of paper came to my work place I'd turn it away, absolutely useless to the a lot of companies. Only if you have the appropriate forklift is it any good.
This will never work
Es el que yo uso pero marca diferente 👷
half of trailer loaded almost to top and it weights about 24 Tone... so stupid
Seems dumb. Industry standard is pallets. Everyone has fork trucks, pallet jacks, etc. Unless everyone adopts this I don't see the benefit. Labor is the number one cost to business in ther shipping industry. This requires more labor than ther pallet system so I doubt it saves money or time. Also retaining an entire workforce isn't gonna be cheap. Dumb
cthunter41 No, this is not dumb. In fact, it is one of a preferable material handling method in the logistics industry. Of cause, this is assuming both ends have the proper equipment to handle it.
Think about this. A typical wooden pallet can weight as much as 50 lbs, a full trailer load of 30 skids, the total dead weight will be 1500 lbs.
By using slip-sheets, these 1500 lbs of dead weight will become payload.
Inestable!!!
Dear Felipe, actually loads on slipsheet are more stable than on a pallet.you can get rid of all issues you get with pallets: broken pallets, nails, moisture...
junk you know how many time the bottom row product gets chopped up if you off by a hair plus you out one forklift can't pick up a pallet with it unless you remove the handling part put on forks and you need to upgrade forklift with a extra hydraulic control and the unit is very heavy .need bigger forklift weight ratings put holes in trailer flooring a few times on cheap trailers need to buy new sheets all the time they don,t come backfrom customers . people rip them off for home projects etc / easy to roll up and walk out the door empty pallets more readily available and pallet is off the floor . just in case of splills product gets contaminated on floor on these and if there just one nail on a skid during a slide it will ripp it all up too . sorry in a perfect world ok but........................ good for one way shippers so they dont have to get loads of empty pallets /save weight in containers some might not give the crap of what the receiver does ive seen the bottom rows get soggy from condenesation cold transfer from floor hmmm what else ...........? you need a spot to store the contraption when not in use need tools to remove and install connect hoses need good operator with long neck to hang out the side to see the gripper grab in the right spot or get on off all the time . arghhh so as a floor manager you held hostage by the better forklift driver for percs /special treament because he'll think he's hot shit (only guy operate without trouble attiude?) we also had to create a fortified wall to put a empty pallet against when we tranfered onto pallets because the light pallet would shift and product no be center pallet use wall as a stop