Yes, that is his thinking. He thinks it is possible to cook the rice without boiling his house because of god. That is the disconnect, he thinks god is the solution to the issue
Lol and he doesn't even read the rest of the paragraph that completely contradicts his beliefs, and then he has the audacity to just Google some shit that is obviously going to give him confirmation bias
"I hate to argue with someone with a Ph.D", but my religion is making me. Here's an equivalent argument (what's the actual term?): I coonect a LED to a battery. Since the battery will eventually run out, the LED can't work right now. Genius. Pure genius.
I love how the script your caller reads inserts the qualifiers “better/worse” and “more/less complex” into its description of the second law. I love also how the reader of the script argues that, since the universe is an isolated system, the minuscule part of the system containing just the earth must also be an isolated system. The qualifiers and the argument betray the complete ignorance of thermodynamics of both the scriptwriter and the reader. The second law is silent on whether things will get “better” or “worse” over time. And, as far as we know, the universe is isolated, but one cannot say the same of any individual subdivision of the universe. His confusion about these things, however, is EXACTLY consistent with the newly discovered fourth law of thermodynamics: “Christians who don’t understand thermodynamics and who learn a tiny bit from other christians who also don’t understand thermodynamics will come to believe that they know more about thermodynamics than people who actually do understand the subject.” It seems to be a very unfortunate, but fundamental law of the universe.
I was gonna comment something similar with an air conditioning example, but a fridge might be even easier to understand. The total heat of the system (your house) increases while your fridge is running, but obviously the inside of the fridge is cooler than your kitchen.
@ivanpetrov5255 idk given his whole worldview is premised on denying evolution, he may have difficulty reconciling his 'pre-med' lab work on other mammals etc with human physiology -_-
Depends on his definition of pre-med. I met freshman in college in their first term referring to themselves as pre-med. So he could be still be in his first year of college
I mean pretty on par for Christians the only group of people to say that the voices in their head tell them to kill people and you aren't allowed to judge them for it.
I was shouting in my head while watching, tell him the sun is the element/flame under the pot, it keeps adding energy. Once the sun dies in billions of years then yes we will be in trouble.
Dude i actually learned so much about entropy. Atfirst i was like "what hes saying kinda makes sense" and as it went on i quickly realized earth isn't a closed system and how much that matters.
Yeah, even his whole analogy is dumb. If we are comparing life on earth to boiling water on the stove, the burner = the sun. Yes, science agrees that if we turn off the sun, life on earth would quickly degenerate, until the only things left alive was life based around the thermal energy from the earth’s core, hydrothermal ocean vents.
That’s only the first half of why it’s silly. Even once you look at the solar system as a closed system (which, it isn’t exactly, but close enough), then the total entropy is increasing, but the entropy on earth is decreasing. The sun turning an absurd amount of hydrogen into helium and radiation makes so much more entropy. It’s like saying gravity only pulls things down, and saying it makes a trebuchet impossible. Or using a rope and pulley with a rock to lift water. Heavy thing being pulled down can make lighter thing get pulled up, but gravity is pulling the average center mass down overall.
33:00 what's crazy is he understands that we eat food. So we are directly transferring energy from outside sources into our body via caloric metabolic processes. So I don't understand why he's even talking about this.
Sorry, very late here. I don't actually expect an answer, but I would be nice. Is it correct that some, if not most, of the spontaneous process of life, within an individual cell, decrease the entropy within the cell while increasing the entropy of the surrounding environment?
thats most people that come on these lives, theyre not here to learn or debate theyre just here to reiterate arguments theyve heard before to say “gotcha!”
I believe the idea is going from generic to more specific, which sometimes necessitates complexity. And that is driven by environmental pressure. AFAIK, sharks have experienced very little change because they are very successful in their current form. But don't quote me on that 😅, I'm no biologist.
If you believe this caller , it will be impossible to heat up a bowl of rice, if the energy in the universe must always decrease. You can have localized increases. Do we need divine intervention to build a campfire?
It’s scary that there are millions of people just like this kid who not only fail to understand these concepts but refuses to understand them. And the irony that if he had just kept reading further he would’ve seen that it was a bogus claim. Why attempt to learn anything if the answer always boils down to god?
Entropy is like a cosmic accountant tracking all energy transactions. The 2nd law just says that these transactions are not 100% efficient. That's all - no magical force to reduce usable energy in all situations and at all times.
This is what you get when someone is just reading an argument from a creationist website, and hasn't bothered educating themselves on what a single word they said even MEANS.
Yes, the entropy of the closed system we call the universe does increase. However that doesn't mean that parts inside the system can not decrease entropy. The sun as it fuses hydrogen it actually increases entropy of the universe. However that energy that is emitted can reduce the entropy at a different place, like on earth. So that energy can create order here on earth but the total entropy of the universe is still increasing as the sun emits much more energy. Well, I just realise that you just explained that very thing to him but he still doesn't get it ^^.... Say the earth has an energy of "1000" (no units) and the sun has potential energy of "1000000000000000". The sun is loosing energy while the earth may increase it's energy. So the sun may loose several times the total amount of energy the earth has each day and "some" of that energy can increase the energy of the earth (and therefore lower the entropy on the earth). omg :) I'm just at 54:00 It's just painful how he can not do the basics of fact checks. He said all scientific sources he looked up said that evolution violates entropy. The actual scientific source in his list clearly said the opposite but he didn't read beyond the headline.... The other sources are religious sources. That explains a lot. If you're not able to properly "research" and evaluate and judge a source, no wonder people end up at wacky conclusions. Mix it with confirmation bias and you get a flat earther, evolution denier or anti vaxxer.
Dude is supposedly premed?? If my doctor _EVER_ divulged to me that they were a creationist, believe in young earth or that the earth was flat, I would _IMMEDIATELY_ be seeking a new PCP.
Maybe a different metaphor would have helped? “You’ve got a gas generator with a full tank. Where from? No idea. You use the generator to run a grow lamp to grow food in a greenhouse. You start with tiny seedlings but over time your greenhouse gets more and more full of bigger and more succulent plants. You are able to eat the food you grow for years and years but eventually the gas runs out and you starve.”
It's so weird being old now and hearing what sounds like children, in college, completely misunderstand something and assert claims over and over... it's some existential shit.
He seriously had to look up if the sun existed before the earth did. And he doesn't get entropy and reversing entropy by adding external energy at all.
God, what annoys me most about him (and I'm only at 37:40) is his willingness to CONTINUALLYYYYY TALK OVER/INTERRUPT them, just to then re-state exactly what he said/asked before after they had just answered him. That's okay to do here in there when you just happen to have not understood the answer you were given, but with how often he's doing it, it seems pretty clear that he truly just is not listening, with 90% of his attention on his future question n 10% on the answer he's given. I think he just has god whispering in his ear "THROW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE!!! I DON'T CARE IF YOU SOUND TERRIBLE, WE'VE GOTTA FIND A HOLE IN THEIR LOGIC OR I'LL CEASE TO EXIST N IT'LL BE YOURRRR FAULT!!!!"
He is trying to connect the laws of thermodynamics to biological processes.. our cells are always dying and replicating.. the food and air we breath allows production of brand new tissue and blood..
40:34 he keeps switching scale between the universe the earth and the pot. When you're talking about the earth he's talking about the universe. When you're talking about the universe he's talking about the pot o ramen. When you talk about the pot o ramen he switches back to the universe😂.
This guy thinking Blitz was going to get on and agree with him was adorable. He wanted to be proved "completely" wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt or however he put it. He got his wish and still didn't recognize he's mistaken. Wow, it got worse when they started pulling up his cited sources.
When he disclosed his sources and they were revealed to be church websites masquerading as science websites, I laughed OUTLOUD at work. Thanks for the outburst.
How arrogant are you when I think you think all the experts just failed to consider the second law of thermodynamics instead of you not understanding what the law actually says.
31:00 So to use his own analogy. The universe is the pot, in the earth is the ramen, but the earth is still in the state of cooking and not in the final state of cooked. So the Earth, much like the ramen, is still accepting the transfer of energy from the the Sun into its ecosystem. Then what's the sun stops functioning, the Earth's core stops being active, and the gravitational force of orbit stops acting upon the planet then you'll have a cooked earth.
i think this is a good way to explain it to people like him. Your phone has a battery. the energy in that battery is finite. but the energy from your electric socket is infinite comparatively. so when you plug the charger into your phone. you effectively "open" the system. making energy flow into the previously closed system
I’m only two minutes in and I’m already shaking. First of all, his incredibly reductive assessment of entropy as things “getting worst” and evolution as things “getting better” is so juvenile even a fifth grader would find it insulting. The second law of thermodynamics and the theory of evolution through social Darwinism are two completely separate concepts, not too mention evolution takes place here on earth whereas thermodynamics are happening at every surface level, down to the most minuscule scale.
Repeat after me, class: EARTH. IS. _NOT._ A. *CLOSED.* *SYSTEM.* Why don't they ever actually _read_ what the 2nd law of thermodynamics is??? Do they not realize how literally _ignorant_ that argument is??
@@ThorsDecree aw fuck no he isn't, watch how he reacted to hearing the word "chance" he's looking for literally anything to just confidently say "nu-uh" and claim he won.
I would have used a gasoline/petrol example. your car can go through all sorts of changes over time as long as you have gas, but one day there will be no gas, and what's left in the tank is your closed system.
Are you Fing kidding me. I’m 52 minutes and we’re now finding that he only read THE FIRST SENTENCE of the source he claims debunks evolution which then led to him purposefully not understanding every explanation. His Jesus lord god help me
There's no fucking way this kid is passing med school without massive cheating... I'd like to know his name if he does pass, so that I don't end up with him as my doctor.
he's been asking questions as gotchas almost the whole time... seldomly he actually has questions with the intent of furthering his understanding... very sad to watch
if a fire exists then scientifically water can't exist therefore god made everything, that's what i hear this guy saying... I think he said he's in pre-med...
Playing Dave The Diver whilst listening. When dude said the pot on the stove is an isolated system my character slapped his face and I laughed out loud. 😂
Out of curiosity I looked up whether or not the universe is an open or closed system. The best answer I found was: The jury's still out. Most cosmologists lean towards a closed system based on current observations. However, dark energy and the possibility of a multiverse keep the question open for further investigation. So, the universe is likely closed based on most the current evidence but the ambiguity of dark energy and the potential for a multiverse leaves no definitive conclusion at this time. Someone correct me if I am incorrect.
Isn't he demonstrating confirmation bias? He's acknowledged that he can't determine a credible source from biased religious propaganda, but then he still searches for sources to confirm his beliefs, in order to challenge the one person in the room whose opinion he claims to respect...cos he clearly doesn't respect Eric, and despite being told so many times that he is not understanding the concepts being discussed, he still googles websites to confirm his belief, whilst asking if they are credible! It's crazy!
I don’t get this dude. He’s pre-med??? I’m not pre-med or a physicist and I could fully understand what they were trying to teach him. It just seems like he doesn’t WANT it to be true, therefore it isn’t true. Personal truths(not truths) are a problem in society. 😂
The overall entropy of the universe as a whole increases. That doesnt mean there csnt be eddies in the smaller parts of the universe where entropy decreases.
The name of this epidode is perfectly spot on. He's a totally brick wall. Him: The entropy of the universe must increase. You: The entropy of the earth may decrease while the total entropy of the universe increases. Him: But the 2nd law. The entropy of the universe must increase! He thinks that means that every single individual system in the universe must increase its energy. He takes "entire universe" means every part of the universe and not as the universe as a whole when taken as a single system. The latter is, of course, the correct interpretstion.
With regard to the whole entropy conversation, the argument could be made that life itself exists as an entropy-increasing factor. There need not be a suspension of entropy when the processes that sustain life expend useable energy. We are matter “designed” by nature to increase entropy, thus the whole conversation was entirely pointless
The problem is his brain is a closed system and any information that contradicts his beliefs have no access.
Mayde my day😂
That's a hilarious comment 😂
The irony of the entropy discussion was the predictability of you both explaining the same thing to him infinity times.
This guy is acting like it's impossible to cook rice in my house because the average temperature in my house never reaches the boiling point of water.
Perfect analogy
This exactly
Yes, that is his thinking. He thinks it is possible to cook the rice without boiling his house because of god. That is the disconnect, he thinks god is the solution to the issue
I mean that's how I cook my rice.
So skill issue lmao.
This guy just got a full physics lesson. People pay for that shit and he's still like nuh-uh
Conspiracy theory the people who do this just want free lessons
"I hate to argue with someone who has a PhD, but this is my belief" 🤦
Lol and he doesn't even read the rest of the paragraph that completely contradicts his beliefs, and then he has the audacity to just Google some shit that is obviously going to give him confirmation bias
"I hate to argue with someone with a Ph.D", but my religion is making me.
Here's an equivalent argument (what's the actual term?):
I coonect a LED to a battery. Since the battery will eventually run out, the LED can't work right now.
Genius. Pure genius.
I love how the script your caller reads inserts the qualifiers “better/worse” and “more/less complex” into its description of the second law. I love also how the reader of the script argues that, since the universe is an isolated system, the minuscule part of the system containing just the earth must also be an isolated system. The qualifiers and the argument betray the complete ignorance of thermodynamics of both the scriptwriter and the reader. The second law is silent on whether things will get “better” or “worse” over time. And, as far as we know, the universe is isolated, but one cannot say the same of any individual subdivision of the universe.
His confusion about these things, however, is EXACTLY consistent with the newly discovered fourth law of thermodynamics: “Christians who don’t understand thermodynamics and who learn a tiny bit from other christians who also don’t understand thermodynamics will come to believe that they know more about thermodynamics than people who actually do understand the subject.” It seems to be a very unfortunate, but fundamental law of the universe.
That last paragraph read kinda like The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and that made me happy 😂
Every moment of every day your fridge sits in the corner of your kitchen quietly and calmly combating entropy.
I was gonna comment something similar with an air conditioning example, but a fridge might be even easier to understand. The total heat of the system (your house) increases while your fridge is running, but obviously the inside of the fridge is cooler than your kitchen.
"Why do these propaganda sources with quote mining I looked for to confirm my bias all agree with me?"
The title is not clickbait, this guy is a wall.
If this guy is a pre-med student, his future patients are in for a hellava shock.
I'm not convinced he can tie his own shoes, there is zero chance he is capable of completing a college degree of any type.
Or he'll fail the exam. Plus, he was arguing physics, not medicine. Maybe his medicine knowledge is better? Hopefully 😅
@ivanpetrov5255 idk given his whole worldview is premised on denying evolution, he may have difficulty reconciling his 'pre-med' lab work on other mammals etc with human physiology -_-
@@ivanpetrov5255it would almost have to be
He confused himself by reading creationist websites and then even argued with a physics guy as if he knows more than him 😭
90 minutes on this?!?!!? NINETY MINUTES OF GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES?!?!? I’m halfway, but I’m out. I can’t believe the patience you guys showed him.
Being 95% of the way through this feels like a real accomplishment. We should get medals for our perseverance.
It doesn't make any sense. This kid is hellbent on not understanding anything they say. I'm at an hour twenty and oof
Is anyone else worried that this guy said he was pre med and he doesn’t have the basics of bacteria down?
bc he was probably lying
Not only bacteria
Depends on his definition of pre-med. I met freshman in college in their first term referring to themselves as pre-med. So he could be still be in his first year of college
Pre medicated maybe.
I mean pretty on par for Christians the only group of people to say that the voices in their head tell them to kill people and you aren't allowed to judge them for it.
Getting better or worse is relative. There is no intrinsic better or worse. Stuff is better or worse, relatively to something.
💯
25:38 This is all pointless. He is not debating evolution, he is actually defending his favorite imaginary friend.
I was shouting in my head while watching, tell him the sun is the element/flame under the pot, it keeps adding energy. Once the sun dies in billions of years then yes we will be in trouble.
Dude i actually learned so much about entropy. Atfirst i was like "what hes saying kinda makes sense" and as it went on i quickly realized earth isn't a closed system and how much that matters.
Yeah, even his whole analogy is dumb.
If we are comparing life on earth to boiling water on the stove, the burner = the sun.
Yes, science agrees that if we turn off the sun, life on earth would quickly degenerate, until the only things left alive was life based around the thermal energy from the earth’s core, hydrothermal ocean vents.
That’s only the first half of why it’s silly.
Even once you look at the solar system as a closed system (which, it isn’t exactly, but close enough), then the total entropy is increasing, but the entropy on earth is decreasing.
The sun turning an absurd amount of hydrogen into helium and radiation makes so much more entropy.
It’s like saying gravity only pulls things down, and saying it makes a trebuchet impossible.
Or using a rope and pulley with a rock to lift water.
Heavy thing being pulled down can make lighter thing get pulled up, but gravity is pulling the average center mass down overall.
1:30:02 guest doesnt know how lotteries work. They're unexplainable. Hahahah what a joke
Holy shit I can’t believe I stuck around for the whole thing. I deserve some kind of award. This was exhausting.
33:00 what's crazy is he understands that we eat food. So we are directly transferring energy from outside sources into our body via caloric metabolic processes. So I don't understand why he's even talking about this.
2:00 life actually has an excellent thermodynamic "justification" in that the processes life creates are great at dissipating energy
Sorry, very late here. I don't actually expect an answer, but I would be nice. Is it correct that some, if not most, of the spontaneous process of life, within an individual cell, decrease the entropy within the cell while increasing the entropy of the surrounding environment?
His brain is a closed system affected by entropy.😂 But seriously, he's pre-med? That $#%+ is crazy!
This guy isn't listening 😂
Every time you talk, he immediately jumps to a counter thought and isn't actually pausing his own thoughts to listen.
thats most people that come on these lives, theyre not here to learn or debate theyre just here to reiterate arguments theyve heard before to say “gotcha!”
The way he describes the universe as "better" or "worse" is really weird.
He says he needs easier terms to explain physics but moments before was using physics to prove his beliefs
Also, it doesn’t automatically mean more and more complex life forms. It’s about adaptation.
I believe the idea is going from generic to more specific, which sometimes necessitates complexity. And that is driven by environmental pressure. AFAIK, sharks have experienced very little change because they are very successful in their current form. But don't quote me on that 😅, I'm no biologist.
If you believe this caller , it will be impossible to heat up a bowl of rice, if the energy in the universe must always decrease. You can have localized increases. Do we need divine intervention to build a campfire?
It’s scary that there are millions of people just like this kid who not only fail to understand these concepts but refuses to understand them. And the irony that if he had just kept reading further he would’ve seen that it was a bogus claim. Why attempt to learn anything if the answer always boils down to god?
One of his arguments was literally, "one day the sun will stop, therefore the earth can't basically exist right now"
Entropy is like a cosmic accountant tracking all energy transactions. The 2nd law just says that these transactions are not 100% efficient. That's all - no magical force to reduce usable energy in all situations and at all times.
Anti-evolutioner's whole argument: BUT MUH STRAWMAN!
Imagine being this confident about something you understand this little.
Why didn't celluar entropy stop the caller from developing from 2 simple sex cells to a much more complex adult with trillions of cells?
I couldn't even make it past 10 minutes and you dealt with this dunce for 94 minutes. You are a legend.
This is what you get when someone is just reading an argument from a creationist website, and hasn't bothered educating themselves on what a single word they said even MEANS.
Yes, the entropy of the closed system we call the universe does increase. However that doesn't mean that parts inside the system can not decrease entropy. The sun as it fuses hydrogen it actually increases entropy of the universe. However that energy that is emitted can reduce the entropy at a different place, like on earth. So that energy can create order here on earth but the total entropy of the universe is still increasing as the sun emits much more energy.
Well, I just realise that you just explained that very thing to him but he still doesn't get it ^^....
Say the earth has an energy of "1000" (no units) and the sun has potential energy of "1000000000000000". The sun is loosing energy while the earth may increase it's energy. So the sun may loose several times the total amount of energy the earth has each day and "some" of that energy can increase the energy of the earth (and therefore lower the entropy on the earth).
omg :) I'm just at 54:00 It's just painful how he can not do the basics of fact checks. He said all scientific sources he looked up said that evolution violates entropy. The actual scientific source in his list clearly said the opposite but he didn't read beyond the headline.... The other sources are religious sources. That explains a lot. If you're not able to properly "research" and evaluate and judge a source, no wonder people end up at wacky conclusions. Mix it with confirmation bias and you get a flat earther, evolution denier or anti vaxxer.
Dude is supposedly premed?? If my doctor _EVER_ divulged to me that they were a creationist, believe in young earth or that the earth was flat, I would _IMMEDIATELY_ be seeking a new PCP.
I’ve heard of word salads. But question salads, this is a first.
evolution says organisms get better at being fit in their particular environment, not that they like level up and become objectively superior
Maybe a different metaphor would have helped? “You’ve got a gas generator with a full tank. Where from? No idea. You use the generator to run a grow lamp to grow food in a greenhouse. You start with tiny seedlings but over time your greenhouse gets more and more full of bigger and more succulent plants. You are able to eat the food you grow for years and years but eventually the gas runs out and you starve.”
It's so weird being old now and hearing what sounds like children, in college, completely misunderstand something and assert claims over and over... it's some existential shit.
Its sad honestly, fighting for his life trying to debunk something that he cant afford to be true or his faith will fall apart.
Oooooh… An hour n a half! Saving this for bedtime. Lol 👍🏻
he should've stressed more the fact earth is not a closed system. entropy on earth decreases at the cost sun's entropy increase
Hes just stuck. He cant admit the point becouse his point goes out of the window … so he will never admit it
Actually evolution says if the most simplistic is the most fit at the time then it's "better".
He seriously had to look up if the sun existed before the earth did.
And he doesn't get entropy and reversing entropy by adding external energy at all.
Well, if he is a Christian, then he believes that a god made the earth before he/she/it made the stars (the sun).
Willful ignorance
You can tell he only respects the word of the guy with a phd lol. Dude probably did half a semester and still says he's pre med.
I like how not only does he have these beliefs, he's so certain of them that every contradiction is met with a "WHAT?!??"
“were gonna start small and then move forward, so the earth gets energy from the sun, right?”
“but were talking about the universe!☝️🤓”
God, what annoys me most about him (and I'm only at 37:40) is his willingness to CONTINUALLYYYYY TALK OVER/INTERRUPT them, just to then re-state exactly what he said/asked before after they had just answered him. That's okay to do here in there when you just happen to have not understood the answer you were given, but with how often he's doing it, it seems pretty clear that he truly just is not listening, with 90% of his attention on his future question n 10% on the answer he's given.
I think he just has god whispering in his ear "THROW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE!!! I DON'T CARE IF YOU SOUND TERRIBLE, WE'VE GOTTA FIND A HOLE IN THEIR LOGIC OR I'LL CEASE TO EXIST N IT'LL BE YOURRRR FAULT!!!!"
at least brick walls don’t make dumb assertions. this caller said he’s pre-med? zoiks.
He is trying to connect the laws of thermodynamics to biological processes.. our cells are always dying and replicating.. the food and air we breath allows production of brand new tissue and blood..
If you have to ask what oscillating means, you aren't qualified to have a debate on relativity or entropy at all.
I hope he's not premed because he wants to be a phlebotomist XD
40:34 he keeps switching scale between the universe the earth and the pot. When you're talking about the earth he's talking about the universe. When you're talking about the universe he's talking about the pot o ramen. When you talk about the pot o ramen he switches back to the universe😂.
This guy thinking Blitz was going to get on and agree with him was adorable.
He wanted to be proved "completely" wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt or however he put it. He got his wish and still didn't recognize he's mistaken.
Wow, it got worse when they started pulling up his cited sources.
When he disclosed his sources and they were revealed to be church websites masquerading as science websites, I laughed OUTLOUD at work. Thanks for the outburst.
His WHOLE argument boils down to "it has to be fake because it makes my God not real."
Sorry but it can't boil down because the entrapy of the universe is decreasing.
The pot is the earth, the burner is the sun, and the ramen is life
How arrogant are you when I think you think all the experts just failed to consider the second law of thermodynamics instead of you not understanding what the law actually says.
Jesus this was painful.
whats scary is that he is premed! hope he increases the entropy of his faith in gahwd before then.
31:00 So to use his own analogy. The universe is the pot, in the earth is the ramen, but the earth is still in the state of cooking and not in the final state of cooked. So the Earth, much like the ramen, is still accepting the transfer of energy from the the Sun into its ecosystem. Then what's the sun stops functioning, the Earth's core stops being active, and the gravitational force of orbit stops acting upon the planet then you'll have a cooked earth.
When the sun gets closer to the end it will expand and consume the earth.
What I learned from this.........I want Ramen.
Why do they use science to argue their point that science is wrong?
He's definitely not "using science". He's using creationist arguments.
It just means that he doesn´t understand. He dont want to. Because of god.
Littral brick wall of ignorance
My brain could not handle this amount of time with such a person.
i think this is a good way to explain it to people like him.
Your phone has a battery. the energy in that battery is finite. but the energy from your electric socket is infinite comparatively. so when you plug the charger into your phone. you effectively "open" the system. making energy flow into the previously closed system
I’m only two minutes in and I’m already shaking. First of all, his incredibly reductive assessment of entropy as things “getting worst” and evolution as things “getting better” is so juvenile even a fifth grader would find it insulting. The second law of thermodynamics and the theory of evolution through social Darwinism are two completely separate concepts, not too mention evolution takes place here on earth whereas thermodynamics are happening at every surface level, down to the most minuscule scale.
holy crap this guy is excausting
I don't know what this word is but I believe it is the correct one
^It's a combo of "exhausting" and "caustic (to our brain cells"), I think
The discovery institute is not a scientifically credible source, my dude.
Repeat after me, class:
EARTH. IS. _NOT._ A. *CLOSED.* *SYSTEM.*
Why don't they ever actually _read_ what the 2nd law of thermodynamics is??? Do they not realize how literally _ignorant_ that argument is??
I think this kid is _trying_ to understand, but the idea he's pre-med is terrifying. Seems like he just can't connect the dots.
Creationists indoctrinate their children to be scientifically illiterate. You should look up their homeschool textbooks and prepare to be shocked.
@@ThorsDecree aw fuck no he isn't, watch how he reacted to hearing the word "chance" he's looking for literally anything to just confidently say "nu-uh" and claim he won.
I would have used a gasoline/petrol example.
your car can go through all sorts of changes over time as long as you have gas, but one day there will be no gas, and what's left in the tank is your closed system.
Are you Fing kidding me. I’m 52 minutes and we’re now finding that he only read THE FIRST SENTENCE of the source he claims debunks evolution which then led to him purposefully not understanding every explanation. His Jesus lord god help me
That was a facepalm moment right there
There's no fucking way this kid is passing med school without massive cheating...
I'd like to know his name if he does pass, so that I don't end up with him as my doctor.
It is a MIRACLE that these guys stayed patient for so long!
Conversation would have been a lot shorter if the caller actually finished reading the first sentence he was basing his arguements on 😅
he's been asking questions as gotchas almost the whole time... seldomly he actually has questions with the intent of furthering his understanding... very sad to watch
if a fire exists then scientifically water can't exist therefore god made everything, that's what i hear this guy saying... I think he said he's in pre-med...
Playing Dave The Diver whilst listening. When dude said the pot on the stove is an isolated system my character slapped his face and I laughed out loud. 😂
Evolution doesn't assert that life forms "get better" over time. That makes no sense.
Out of curiosity I looked up whether or not the universe is an open or closed system. The best answer I found was: The jury's still out. Most cosmologists lean towards a closed system based on current observations. However, dark energy and the possibility of a multiverse keep the question open for further investigation.
So, the universe is likely closed based on most the current evidence but the ambiguity of dark energy and the potential for a multiverse leaves no definitive conclusion at this time. Someone correct me if I am incorrect.
I love how many theists read from pathetic scripts
This kid doesn't really want to be convinced.
Isn't he demonstrating confirmation bias? He's acknowledged that he can't determine a credible source from biased religious propaganda, but then he still searches for sources to confirm his beliefs, in order to challenge the one person in the room whose opinion he claims to respect...cos he clearly doesn't respect Eric, and despite being told so many times that he is not understanding the concepts being discussed, he still googles websites to confirm his belief, whilst asking if they are credible! It's crazy!
This kid is one of those people that just ends up pissing you off.
I think we need to change "Gish gallop" to "Gish Google."
What he’s saying is
“His belief system can resist logical reasoning better than yours can!”
I don’t get this dude. He’s pre-med??? I’m not pre-med or a physicist and I could fully understand what they were trying to teach him. It just seems like he doesn’t WANT it to be true, therefore it isn’t true. Personal truths(not truths) are a problem in society. 😂
Wow... This guy has so little understanding.
The overall entropy of the universe as a whole increases. That doesnt mean there csnt be eddies in the smaller parts of the universe where entropy decreases.
I liked this guy. He was trying to be good faith. Give it time i think he could come around.
He might have been trying, but he failed very hard
He's too hung up on his homeschooling
More entropy = things get worse 😆
So funny that creationists have to believe the sun doesn't work for their worldview to work
The name of this epidode is perfectly spot on. He's a totally brick wall. Him: The entropy of the universe must increase. You: The entropy of the earth may decrease while the total entropy of the universe increases. Him: But the 2nd law. The entropy of the universe must increase!
He thinks that means that every single individual system in the universe must increase its energy. He takes "entire universe" means every part of the universe and not as the universe as a whole when taken as a single system. The latter is, of course, the correct interpretstion.
The earth is not the universe. Not hard to understand.
With regard to the whole entropy conversation, the argument could be made that life itself exists as an entropy-increasing factor. There need not be a suspension of entropy when the processes that sustain life expend useable energy. We are matter “designed” by nature to increase entropy, thus the whole conversation was entirely pointless