Just posted on this and I agree with you that it is the old that attracts the young and new converts like myself from the Anglican church.We do need a Traditional Liturgy and a new Vatican 3 to REVERSE some of the more extreme new expressions such as the clown masses and dancing girls in leotards with flags.
Yes! tradition as a whole is very important in life, providing a purpose and a goal for the wonders of this world and the guidance of what is far better than us. I pray that we return to the old by reclaiming it as the new. It seems that we have to lose a lot to be able to see what we had all this time.
I'm 15 and I feel my soul longing, ever so greatly, for the return of the Latin mass to my local parishes! The high altar had been removed, the side altars have been neglected, the priest only speaks the vernacular, and people are leaving in scores! Mater Dolorosa, ora pro nobis!
I am encouraged that the new wave of priests seem to be more orthodox and traditional as a whole. That said, there are older priests from the Baby Boomer generation that are orthodox. In my opinion, Benedict XVI performed a great honor to God by opening the door for the Latin Mass to make a comeback. My Dad was 14 when the Novus Ordo Mass came about, and he told me that he missed the Latin Mass immediately after the Novus Ordo became the standard. The beauty of TLM is indescribable, and it stirs emotions in me and my wife like no other form of worship.
There is no salvation outside of the Traditional catholic church. Pope Palagius II,578-590 A.D. Consider the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the church cannot have the Lord… although given over to flames and fires they burn or thrown to wild beasts they lay down their lives there will not be for them that crown of faith but the punishment of faithlessness such a one can be slain he cannot be crowned if slain outside the Catholic Church he cannot attain the rewards of the Catholic Church. Pope Saint Gregory the Great, 590-604 A.D. - now the Holy Traditional Catholic Church proclaims that God cannot be truly worshiped but only within herself, asserting that all they that are outside her shall never be saved !! Pope Sylvester II,991 A.D. I profess that outside the Catholic Church no one is saved. Pope Innocent III, 1198 to 1216 A.D. 4th Council 12:15 A.D. EX-Cathedra Dogma- There is but one universal catholic church of the faithful outside of which no one at all is saved. Pope Innocent III,Fitts exemplo, to the Archbishop of Terraco, 18 December,1208. By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one true church not of Heretics but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no one is saved. Pope Innocent III Fourth Laddering Council, Canon 3, on heresy,1215 A.D.,ex-cathedra Dogma those who are only found suspect of heresy hard to be struck with the sword of anathema, excommunication, unless they prove their innocence by an appropriate purgation, having regard to the reasons for suspicion and the character of the person. Let such persons be avoided by all until they have made adequate satisfaction. Pope Boniface VIII,1302 A.D.- Ex- Cathedra Dogma. There is only one Catholic Church; this we firmly believe in profess without qualification !! Outside this church there is no salvation nor remission of sin. For at the time of the deluge there existed only one Ark, the figure of the one True Catholic Church and all things outside this Ark perished. Pope Eugene IV, 1441 A.D. Ex-Cathedra Dogma, Cantata Domino,Council of Florence - “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church believes professors and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and Heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart, into Everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels unless before the end of life, the same, has been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of any benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of catholic christian service produce Eternal Rewards, and that no one, Whatever arms giving he has practice, even if he has shed his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the traditional catholic church. Pope Leo XII, 1823 to 1829 A.D. We profess that there is no salvation outside the church… for the church is the pillar and ground of the depository of faith ,the traditional Catholic faith. With reference to those words Saint Augustine says: If any be outside the church he will be excluded from the number of sons, and will not have God for a Father since he has not the church for a Mother. St Gregory XVI, 1831 to 1846 A.D. It is not possible to worship God truly except in the Catholic Church all who are outside her will not be saved. Vatican Council of 1870 Pope Pius IX, Session 2, Profession of Faith, Ex Catholic dogma - This True Catholic Faith, Outside of which none can be saved !! which I now freely profess and truly hold, is what I shall steadfastly maintain and confess, by the help of God, in all its completeness and Purity, until my dying breath, and I shall do my best to ensure that all others do the same, this is what I, the same Pius IX, promise, Vow, and Swear. Pope Pius IX,Quanta Conficiamur Moerore, on promotion of False Doctrine paragraph 13:10, August 1863. Admonish and exhort them to be strong in our sacred Catholic faith without which it is impossible to please God urge them to preserve firmly in the depository of faith, established in our divine religion which alone is true and eternal and prepares for salvation. Pope Pius IX, Nostis et Nobiscum, Paragraph 10, Dec. 8. 1849 - “In particular ensure that the faithful are deeply and thoroughly convinced of the truth of the doctrine that - the Catholic faith is necessary for attaining Salvation !! The Catholic laity and clergy should repeatedly offer special thanks to God in public prayers for the Priceless gift of the Catholic religion,- the Depository of Faith. They should also beseech God to protect the profession of this Faith in our country and to keep it pure and unharmed. Pope Pius IX,Qui Pluribus, on faith and religion paragraph 20 November 9th 1846 - Never cease to instruct all men in “the depository of faith” the teachings of the church !! Never tolerating and letting pass anything which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this faith with the same great strength of heart and mind Foster in all men their Unity with the traditional catholic church outside of which there is no salvation. Pope Pius IX, Ubi Primum paragraph 10 June 17th 1847- For there is one Catholic, universal church, outside of which no one at all is saved ; it contains regular and secular prelates along with those under their jurisdiction, who all profess one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. Pope Pius IX,Singularity Quidam, paragraph 4 March 17th 1856 there is only one Catholic Divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification the Faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to and to come to the community of his Catholic children. Pope Leo XIII, 1878 -1903 A.D. - This is our last lesson to you, receive it, engrave it, in your minds, all of you by God's commandment !! Salvation is to be found nowhere but in the traditional catholic church. Pope Pius IX,Qui Pluribus, on faith and religion, Paragraph 15, November 9th,1846 - Also perverse is the shocking Theory that it makes no difference to which religion one belongs, a theory which is greatly at variance even with reason. By means of this Theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile actions !! They pretend that men can gain eternal salvation by the practice of any religion, as if there could ever be any sharing between Justice and inequity, any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Jesus Christ and Belial. All the popes Proclaim and decree the same if you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you're no longer Catholic you no longer have a father in Heaven nor a mother !!!
I just had this conversation with a young priest we came to the same conclusion as this post the OLD IS NEW AND THE NEW IS OLD.Most of the newer converts and younger Catholics want a return to a more structured and old fashioned Liturgy with a more disciplined approach.Great Post!!!
Whole heartedly agree too, the Church needs to return to Tradition. The Latin Mass is much needed in this society and culture. Coming from a 23 year old convert to the Faith.
From North ZEast India.Now l avm at 70 yrs., l miss the traditional services of the Catholic church which l had experienced in my childhood days,l hope l shall hear them back soon. May God permits the traditional services come back to the whole Catholic world. May God bless all those priests and Church Militants who try to bring back the Traditional Services in the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.Amen.
The priest here peaks very clearly and concisely. I identity very much with the need for boundaries ,clarity and discipline. My background has been one of very much the opposite of these things, with the resulting 'freedom' resulting in self indulgence and incoherency. in the age of flux i welcome such thoughts.
We had a very holy and pastoral Vatican II priest leading our church. He retired several years ago. The younger pastor and his associates have been much more traditional. It feels so much more Catholic, reverent and even mystical. I believe this is the trend across The Church. I don't know that we'll ever return to the Tridentine Mass, as the standard, but we're clearly getting much closer to it. It wasn't perfect and the congregation was disengaged just like the Orthodox. BTW, the European version of the new order has always been much more traditional than the American one. That said, if there was a Tridentine Mass at our church, myself and many others would attend!!! In my view, the focus should be on The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass above all else. It is HE who comes to us through the actions of the priest whether it be in a town square, battlefield, stadium or in our magnificent churches.
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king!!!"
Saddly to say but...a priest of FSSP after AL explained to us that he could give the Eucharistic a people in "irregular" situations and that we can not tell to the person in "irregular" situation that is wrong, because we will be robbing the "santifying grace" because that person is ignorant of the sin. That is why we left the FSSP move to rhe SSPX, because we want solid teaching.
I totally believe what Father says here is true. Being born in 1965 I do not remember the Latin Mass and up until 3 years ago I had never attended a TLM. I went not knowing what to expect, I just sat there the entire time and cried.This looked nothing like what I had been going to all my life.I do believe that the TLM gives GOD the most Glory and Honor HE deserves and that we should give him. God Bless your good priest and help the ones who are lukewarm.I love being a Catholic thank You GOD!
True! Thanks be to God that the younger generation are seeking traditional orders! We Must have our Traditional Holy and Reverent Mass returned in All our Churches.
Doesn't our Faith condemn all sorts of things all the time? Doesn't it condemn racism, usury, abortion, social injustice, disordered sexuality? The Catholic Faith is open to all, and offers mercy to all; but also summons men and women to metanoia, a change of heart and thinking about how to live in this life. The Faith has an objective content; it should not be confused with the "Woodstock" mentality.
The old generation is dying down, they left a terrible heritage of destruction. Empty pews, empty monasteries, empty convents. Now is the time for the young to come forward and restore what was destroyed.
Amen! Whenever I see my progressive post-conciliar religious sister principal destroy my peaceful contemplation of the Sacred Mysteries at school Masses with her hearty rendition of "On Eagel's Wings," a part of me wants to die inside, but then I remember, these old hags are gonna die off anyway! Let's sing a TRADITIONAL church into being!
Father is SO TRUE!!! It was the clergy who were responsible for this "revolution" (possibly "betrayal" or "corruption" could be accurate terms as well) in church culture and identity. Of course the laity wanted the "modern world", but it was the clergy's duty to preserve the church eternal. God bless good priests like Father Joseph. From this Catholic man born long after Vatican II, let's keep the Tridentine Liturgy flourishing.
BIBLE says:NO tradition of man. Is there Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?YES! The Bible says 46 times : IT IS WRITTEN ! Tht mens tht God`s Word is the only True Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God is PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 ADD NOT unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR" This leaves of EVERYTHING ELSE which is added to the Word. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees because they were trying to make tradition equal with the Word of God 1 Corinthians 4:6"not to think of men above that which is written" - IT MEANS SOLA SCRIPTURA Mark 7:13"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" We re NOT to put the oral Word in conjunction with the written Word Is Paul here in 2Thess 2:15 speaking about Catholic "Tradition"-the transmission of the Word of God by the church, and especially by Catholic bishops? Or is he referring to something entirely different? First, let's read the verse in context: "But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore,brethren, STAND FAST and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or OUR epistle" (2Thessalonian 2:13-15) Everything is about tradition of spreading THE GOOD NEWS. The Apostle Paul exhorted the believers in Thessalonica to "hold the traditions" which he had taught them ALREADY. The word translated "traditions" simply means "a giving over, a handing down." So Paul is here referring to the teachings which he had "handed down" to the Thessalonians, the truth of the Gospel he mentioned in the previous verse. He had instructed them orally when he was present with them, and by letter when he was away. Paul commands them to keep the doctrines which he had handed on, irrespective of the way they were delivered. How can we apply this principle in our own time? We too must "hold the traditions"-we must learn, BELIEVE ONLY , obey and defend the apostolic doctrine, the true Gospel of God and His SIMPLE and POWERFUL Salvation. Paul does not say about HUMAN tradition but about the word of God Jesus Himself, ( John 1 :1-17) about spreading the good news and how we can be saved. Jesus didn't come to share any other gospel, only one, which was about Salvation, and it is about this tradition Paul is talking about. Tradition isn't an add-on to the Bible but it is one with it.
True ecumenism is not the fruitless "dialogue" and pleasantries exchanged by High Ranking Ecclesiastical Hierarchy, but civil discussion and respect that has the conversion of the other party in sight. My ecumenism involves a cup of tea, some free time, an opponent, and a good debate, wherein afterwards we go and eat a fine dinner over red wine! Why the modernism and all the political niceties and correctness!
The description puts the cart before the horse. The FSSP was founded in 1988 and the licitly exclusive celebration of the EF is on the basis of the society's charism. If the parish's exclusive celebration of the EF was based on 2007's Summorum Pontificum, the term "extraordinary" would be rendered moot, if not meaningless.
I can't believe you got 5 thumbs up. Age has everything to do with it since this priest was commenting on the youth! Of course, a lot of people on here seem to be going against the papacy ... how catholic is that!
How do I defend a Pope in ornate vestments being carried around on throne to a scornful protestant who said when Cornelius met St. Peter, Peter told him to stand up, that he was just a man like him. Are souls lost because of this?
BIBLE says:NO tradition of man. Is there Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?YES! The Bible says 46 times : IT IS WRITTEN ! Tht mens tht God`s Word is the only True Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God is PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 ADD NOT unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR" This leaves of EVERYTHING ELSE which is added to the Word. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees because they were trying to make tradition equal with the Word of God 1 Corinthians 4:6"not to think of men above that which is written" - IT MEANS SOLA SCRIPTURA Mark 7:13"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" We re NOT to put the oral Word in conjunction with the written Word Is Paul here in 2Thess 2:15 speaking about Catholic "Tradition"-the transmission of the Word of God by the church, and especially by Catholic bishops? Or is he referring to something entirely different? First, let's read the verse in context: "But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore,brethren, STAND FAST and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or OUR epistle" (2Thessalonian 2:13-15) Everything is about tradition of spreading THE GOOD NEWS. The Apostle Paul exhorted the believers in Thessalonica to "hold the traditions" which he had taught them ALREADY. The word translated "traditions" simply means "a giving over, a handing down." So Paul is here referring to the teachings which he had "handed down" to the Thessalonians, the truth of the Gospel he mentioned in the previous verse. He had instructed them orally when he was present with them, and by letter when he was away. Paul commands them to keep the doctrines which he had handed on, irrespective of the way they were delivered. How can we apply this principle in our own time? We too must "hold the traditions"-we must learn, BELIEVE ONLY , obey and defend the apostolic doctrine, the true Gospel of God and His SIMPLE and POWERFUL Salvation. Paul does not say about HUMAN tradition but about the word of God Jesus Himself, ( John 1 :1-17) about spreading the good news and how we can be saved. Jesus didn't come to share any other gospel, only one, which was about Salvation, and it is about this tradition Paul is talking about. Tradition isn't an add-on to the Bible but it is one with it.
Actually, I love Catholic tradition - but your comment is only true for some areas (& if we're going to generalize, I think I can safely hazard to guess that they tend to be the more liberal ones). For example, where I live in TX the NO parishes are packed, & while there is a thriving traditional parish about 40 minutes drive from us, it is only about 10% the size of the small NO parishes in our diocese - and about 1% the size of our largest parishes.
Men have always wanted the discipline and tradition. There is a reason that so many Churches today are full of middle aged and older women, and there are hardly any men to be found. Men are called to do what Adam did not, namely sacrifice themselves for the good of others. The new Mass, the new Theology, etc. all but destroys that idea. Take away the sacrificial nature of the Mass for sake of the communal meal, teach that we can reasonably hope that all go to Heaven, and this is what you get.
I say "old hags" in a twisted, almost affectionate way, I grew up with these religious, they're my childhood and formation. Whenever I think about trying to combat them as progressive opposition I feel like laughing and crying at the same time.... I can't because they're honestly are well-meaning but horribly misguided! I can only hope for their souls in purgatory when they pass, as well as someone more tastefully oriented liturgically to replace them! I'm non-confrontational, I wait it out...
Won't happen. You're young and hot-headed and a bit airy in the attic. No organization around for a double millenium will fall at the hands of rabble because it fills a very deep human need which you have not yet begun to explore in your callow self.
well whether gay or hetrosexual (hopefully the latter) - more will realise that sexuality should be primary kept within marriage with the intention or procreation and priests will be good and holy by upholding priestly celibacy
Isn't it about God though? People spend most of their time thinking about themselves. How about spend a little time thinking about God instead of people. I think the new mass is a joke compared to the old way.
Just shows your ignorance. Why don't you pick up a Bible sometime and read about the trappings Yahweh ordered for the Tabernacle and then the Temple. Additionally, the faithful want to offer God their best. Back in the old days there was no pope-mobile. The Pope was elevated not for his glory but so the people could see him and he could see and bless the people. You also show a great ignorance of the actual teachings of Vatican II. Benedict XVI was carrying out Vatican II, not trashing it.
BIBLE says:NO tradition of man. Is there Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?YES! The Bible says 46 times : IT IS WRITTEN ! Tht mens tht God`s Word is the only True Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God is PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 ADD NOT unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR" This leaves of EVERYTHING ELSE which is added to the Word. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees because they were trying to make tradition equal with the Word of God 1 Corinthians 4:6"not to think of men above that which is written" - IT MEANS SOLA SCRIPTURA Mark 7:13"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" We re NOT to put the oral Word in conjunction with the written Word Is Paul here in 2Thess 2:15 speaking about Catholic "Tradition"-the transmission of the Word of God by the church, and especially by Catholic bishops? Or is he referring to something entirely different? First, let's read the verse in context: "But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore,brethren, STAND FAST and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or OUR epistle" (2Thessalonian 2:13-15) Everything is about tradition of spreading THE GOOD NEWS. The Apostle Paul exhorted the believers in Thessalonica to "hold the traditions" which he had taught them ALREADY. The word translated "traditions" simply means "a giving over, a handing down." So Paul is here referring to the teachings which he had "handed down" to the Thessalonians, the truth of the Gospel he mentioned in the previous verse. He had instructed them orally when he was present with them, and by letter when he was away. Paul commands them to keep the doctrines which he had handed on, irrespective of the way they were delivered. How can we apply this principle in our own time? We too must "hold the traditions"-we must learn, BELIEVE ONLY , obey and defend the apostolic doctrine, the true Gospel of God and His SIMPLE and POWERFUL Salvation. Paul does not say about HUMAN tradition but about the word of God Jesus Himself, ( John 1 :1-17) about spreading the good news and how we can be saved. Jesus didn't come to share any other gospel, only one, which was about Salvation, and it is about this tradition Paul is talking about. Tradition isn't an add-on to the Bible but it is one with it.
Long live the young and Tradition!! WE NEED A TRADITIONAL LITURGY!!!!
Just posted on this and I agree with you that it is the old that attracts the young and new converts like myself from the Anglican church.We do need a Traditional Liturgy and a new Vatican 3 to REVERSE some of the more extreme new expressions such as the clown masses and dancing girls in leotards with flags.
Amen my fellow southern catholic :)
Yes! tradition as a whole is very important in life, providing a purpose and a goal for the wonders of this world and the guidance of what is far better than us. I pray that we return to the old by reclaiming it as the new. It seems that we have to lose a lot to be able to see what we had all this time.
As a 16 year old, I've been hoping for a TLM near me.
I'm 15 and I feel my soul longing, ever so greatly, for the return of the Latin mass to my local parishes! The high altar had been removed, the side altars have been neglected, the priest only speaks the vernacular, and people are leaving in scores! Mater Dolorosa, ora pro nobis!
21 now, how do you feel?
I am encouraged that the new wave of priests seem to be more orthodox and traditional as a whole. That said, there are older priests from the Baby Boomer generation that are orthodox. In my opinion, Benedict XVI performed a great honor to God by opening the door for the Latin Mass to make a comeback.
My Dad was 14 when the Novus Ordo Mass came about, and he told me that he missed the Latin Mass immediately after the Novus Ordo became the standard. The beauty of TLM is indescribable, and it stirs emotions in me and my wife like no other form of worship.
There is no salvation outside of the Traditional catholic church.
Pope Palagius II,578-590 A.D.
Consider the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the church cannot have the Lord… although given over to flames and fires they burn or thrown to wild beasts they lay down their lives there will not be for them that crown of faith but the punishment of faithlessness such a one can be slain he cannot be crowned if slain outside the Catholic Church he cannot attain the rewards of the Catholic Church.
Pope Saint Gregory the Great, 590-604 A.D. - now the Holy Traditional Catholic Church proclaims that God cannot be truly worshiped but only within herself, asserting that all they that are outside her shall never be saved !!
Pope Sylvester II,991 A.D. I profess that outside the Catholic Church no one is saved.
Pope Innocent III, 1198 to 1216 A.D. 4th Council 12:15 A.D.
EX-Cathedra Dogma- There is but one universal catholic church of the faithful outside of which no one at all is saved.
Pope Innocent III,Fitts exemplo, to the Archbishop of Terraco, 18 December,1208. By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one true church not of Heretics but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no one is saved.
Pope Innocent III Fourth Laddering Council, Canon 3, on heresy,1215 A.D.,ex-cathedra Dogma those who are only found suspect of heresy hard to be struck with the sword of anathema, excommunication, unless they prove their innocence by an appropriate purgation, having regard to the reasons for suspicion and the character of the person. Let such persons be avoided by all until they have made adequate satisfaction.
Pope Boniface VIII,1302 A.D.- Ex- Cathedra Dogma. There is only one Catholic Church; this we firmly believe in profess without qualification !! Outside this church there is no salvation nor remission of sin. For at the time of the deluge there existed only one Ark, the figure of the one True Catholic Church and all things outside this Ark perished.
Pope Eugene IV, 1441 A.D. Ex-Cathedra Dogma, Cantata Domino,Council of Florence - “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church believes professors and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and Heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart, into Everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels unless before the end of life, the same, has been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of any benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of catholic christian service produce Eternal Rewards, and that no one, Whatever arms giving he has practice, even if he has shed his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the traditional catholic church.
Pope Leo XII, 1823 to 1829 A.D. We profess that there is no salvation outside the church… for the church is the pillar and ground of the depository of faith ,the traditional Catholic faith. With reference to those words Saint Augustine says: If any be outside the church he will be excluded from the number of sons, and will not have God for a Father since he has not the church for a Mother.
St Gregory XVI, 1831 to 1846 A.D. It is not possible to worship God truly except in the Catholic Church all who are outside her will not be saved.
Vatican Council of 1870 Pope
Pius IX, Session 2, Profession of Faith, Ex Catholic dogma - This True Catholic Faith, Outside of which none can be saved !! which I now freely profess and truly hold, is what I shall steadfastly maintain and confess, by the help of God, in all its completeness and Purity, until my dying breath, and I shall do my best to ensure that all others do the same, this is what I, the same Pius IX, promise, Vow, and Swear.
Pope Pius IX,Quanta Conficiamur Moerore, on promotion of False Doctrine paragraph 13:10, August 1863. Admonish and exhort them to be strong in our sacred Catholic faith without which it is impossible to please God urge them to preserve firmly in the depository of faith, established in our divine religion which alone is true and eternal and prepares for salvation.
Pope Pius IX, Nostis et Nobiscum, Paragraph 10, Dec. 8. 1849 -
“In particular ensure that the faithful are deeply and thoroughly convinced of the truth of the doctrine that - the Catholic faith is necessary for attaining Salvation !! The Catholic laity and clergy should repeatedly offer special thanks to God in public prayers for the Priceless gift of the Catholic religion,- the Depository of Faith. They should also beseech God to protect the profession of this Faith in our country and to keep it pure and unharmed.
Pope Pius IX,Qui Pluribus, on faith and religion paragraph 20 November 9th 1846 - Never cease to instruct all men in “the depository of faith” the teachings of the church !! Never tolerating and letting pass anything which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this faith with the same great strength of heart and mind Foster in all men their Unity with the traditional catholic church outside of which there is no salvation.
Pope Pius IX, Ubi Primum paragraph 10 June 17th 1847- For there is one Catholic, universal church, outside of which no one at all is saved ; it contains regular and secular prelates along with those under their jurisdiction, who all profess one Lord, one faith, and one baptism.
Pope Pius IX,Singularity Quidam, paragraph 4 March 17th 1856 there is only one Catholic Divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification the Faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to and to come to the community of his Catholic children.
Pope Leo XIII, 1878 -1903 A.D. - This is our last lesson to you, receive it, engrave it, in your minds, all of you by God's commandment !! Salvation is to be found nowhere but in the traditional catholic church.
Pope Pius IX,Qui Pluribus, on faith and religion, Paragraph 15, November 9th,1846 - Also perverse is the shocking Theory that it makes no difference to which religion one belongs, a theory which is greatly at variance even with reason. By means of this Theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile actions !! They pretend that men can gain eternal salvation by the practice of any religion, as if there could ever be any sharing between Justice and inequity, any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Jesus Christ and Belial.
All the popes Proclaim and decree the same if you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you're no longer Catholic you no longer have a father in Heaven nor a mother !!!
I just had this conversation with a young priest we came to the same conclusion as this post the OLD IS NEW AND THE NEW IS OLD.Most of the newer converts and younger Catholics want a return to a more structured and old fashioned Liturgy with a more disciplined approach.Great Post!!!
Excellent video on the Catholic Church. I agree whole heartedly and this is coming from a 23 year old.
Whole heartedly agree too, the Church needs to return to Tradition. The Latin Mass is much needed in this society and culture. Coming from a 23 year old convert to the Faith.
From North ZEast India.Now l avm at 70 yrs., l miss the traditional services of the Catholic church which l had experienced in my childhood days,l hope l shall hear them back soon. May God permits the traditional services come back to the whole Catholic world. May God bless all those priests and Church Militants who try to bring back the Traditional Services in the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.Amen.
Amen. Amen. Amen. The faithful are seeking depth. A liturgy that treats the people as adults attracts adults.
The new language is, the language of ambiguity, double-speak, forked-tongue.So simple
The priest here peaks very clearly and concisely. I identity very much with the need for boundaries ,clarity and discipline.
My background has been one of very much the opposite of these things, with the resulting 'freedom' resulting in self indulgence and incoherency. in the age of flux i welcome such thoughts.
We had a very holy and pastoral Vatican II priest leading our church. He retired several years ago. The younger pastor and his associates have been much more traditional. It feels so much more Catholic, reverent and even mystical. I believe this is the trend across The Church. I don't know that we'll ever return to the Tridentine Mass, as the standard, but we're clearly getting much closer to it. It wasn't perfect and the congregation was disengaged just like the Orthodox. BTW, the European version of the new order has always been much more traditional than the American one. That said, if there was a Tridentine Mass at our church, myself and many others would attend!!! In my view, the focus should be on The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass above all else. It is HE who comes to us through the actions of the priest whether it be in a town square, battlefield, stadium or in our magnificent churches.
I've met Fr Kramer, awesome chap/
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king!!!"
Father is right on! Im 21 and love the Latin in the Mass! We are at war with the world, arent we? lets act like it.
Im 17 and i'm telling you that he is right.
Amen, Amen. As a 19 year old, I can attest to this.
Good video
Saddly to say but...a priest of FSSP after AL explained to us that he could give the Eucharistic a people in "irregular" situations and that we can not tell to the person in "irregular" situation that is wrong, because we will be robbing the "santifying grace" because that person is ignorant of the sin. That is why we left the FSSP move to rhe SSPX, because we want solid teaching.
I feel you
This really hit deep...
I totally believe what Father says here is true. Being born in 1965 I do not remember the Latin Mass and up until 3 years ago I had never attended a TLM. I went not knowing what to expect, I just sat there the entire time and cried.This looked nothing like what I had been going to all my life.I do believe that the TLM gives GOD the most Glory and Honor HE deserves and that we should give him. God Bless your good priest and help the ones who are lukewarm.I love being a Catholic thank You GOD!
persevere Frasquito..the Latin mass is more fulfilling....i know how hard it was...i still dont know the words..but the graces are there.
He is my spiritual father and he is amazing.
Visit us at Trinità dei Pellegrini in Rome.
True! Thanks be to God that the younger generation are seeking traditional orders! We Must have our Traditional Holy and Reverent Mass returned in All our Churches.
Doesn't our Faith condemn all sorts of things all the time? Doesn't it condemn racism, usury, abortion, social injustice, disordered sexuality? The Catholic Faith is open to all, and offers mercy to all; but also summons men and women to metanoia, a change of heart and thinking about how to live in this life. The Faith has an objective content; it should not be confused with the "Woodstock" mentality.
May Our Lord Jesus Christ bless His Church, the Holy Catholic Church!
1:54 Yes!
You will never put the Genie, back in the lamp. Fr. Kramer, Quit blaming everyone but the church.
The leadership destroyed the mass, not the faithful.
The old generation is dying down, they left a terrible heritage of destruction. Empty pews, empty monasteries, empty convents. Now is the time for the young to come forward and restore what was destroyed.
Amen! Whenever I see my progressive post-conciliar religious sister principal destroy my peaceful contemplation of the Sacred Mysteries at school Masses with her hearty rendition of "On Eagel's Wings," a part of me wants to die inside, but then I remember, these old hags are gonna die off anyway! Let's sing a TRADITIONAL church into being!
Father is SO TRUE!!! It was the clergy who were responsible for this "revolution" (possibly "betrayal" or "corruption" could be accurate terms as well) in church culture and identity. Of course the laity wanted the "modern world", but it was the clergy's duty to preserve the church eternal. God bless good priests like Father Joseph. From this Catholic man born long after Vatican II, let's keep the Tridentine Liturgy flourishing.
BIBLE says:NO tradition of man. Is there Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?YES!
The Bible says 46 times : IT IS WRITTEN !
Tht mens tht God`s Word is the only True
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 ADD NOT unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR"
This leaves of EVERYTHING ELSE which is added to the Word. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees because they were trying to make tradition equal with the Word of God
1 Corinthians 4:6"not to think of men above that which is written" - IT MEANS SOLA SCRIPTURA
Mark 7:13"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye"
We re NOT to put the oral Word in conjunction with the written Word
Is Paul here in 2Thess 2:15 speaking about Catholic "Tradition"-the transmission of the Word of God by the church, and especially by Catholic bishops?
Or is he referring to something entirely different? First, let's read the
verse in context:
"But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore,brethren, STAND FAST and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or OUR epistle" (2Thessalonian 2:13-15)
Everything is about tradition of spreading THE GOOD NEWS.
The Apostle Paul exhorted the believers in Thessalonica to "hold the traditions"
which he had taught them ALREADY. The word translated "traditions" simply means "a giving over, a handing down." So Paul is here referring to the teachings which he had "handed down" to the Thessalonians, the truth of the Gospel he mentioned in the previous verse. He had instructed them orally when he was present with them, and by letter when he was away.
Paul commands them to keep the doctrines which he had handed on,
irrespective of the way they were delivered.
How can we apply this principle in our own time? We too must "hold the traditions"-we must learn,
BELIEVE ONLY , obey and defend the apostolic doctrine, the true Gospel of God and His SIMPLE and POWERFUL Salvation.
Paul does not say about HUMAN tradition but about the word of God Jesus Himself, ( John 1 :1-17) about spreading the good news and how we can be saved. Jesus didn't come to share any other gospel, only one, which was about Salvation, and it is about this tradition Paul is talking about. Tradition isn't an add-on to the Bible but it is one with it.
You do understand that Catholicism is our heritage and that of other ethnic classes? Why all the hate? life is too short.
True ecumenism is not the fruitless "dialogue" and pleasantries exchanged by High Ranking Ecclesiastical Hierarchy, but civil discussion and respect that has the conversion of the other party in sight. My ecumenism involves a cup of tea, some free time, an opponent, and a good debate, wherein afterwards we go and eat a fine dinner over red wine! Why the modernism and all the political niceties and correctness!
The description puts the cart before the horse. The FSSP was founded in 1988 and the licitly exclusive celebration of the EF is on the basis of the society's charism. If the parish's exclusive celebration of the EF was based on 2007's Summorum Pontificum, the term "extraordinary" would be rendered moot, if not meaningless.
You have no future without tradition hell await you
we would not be in the mess if the Latin mass and traditions were never changed
I can't believe you got 5 thumbs up. Age has everything to do with it since this priest was commenting on the youth!
Of course, a lot of people on here seem to be going against the papacy ... how catholic is that!
It's so sad that the hippies had such an influence on the Church...
How do I defend a Pope in ornate vestments being carried around on throne to a scornful protestant who said when Cornelius met St. Peter, Peter told him to stand up, that he was just a man like him. Are souls lost because of this?
A bit of wisdom that can only come with age grasshopper
I pray he is right.
I'm 30, and I do. What does age have to do with this?
BIBLE says:NO tradition of man. Is there Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?YES!
The Bible says 46 times : IT IS WRITTEN !
Tht mens tht God`s Word is the only True
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 ADD NOT unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR"
This leaves of EVERYTHING ELSE which is added to the Word. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees because they were trying to make tradition equal with the Word of God
1 Corinthians 4:6"not to think of men above that which is written" - IT MEANS SOLA SCRIPTURA
Mark 7:13"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye"
We re NOT to put the oral Word in conjunction with the written Word
Is Paul here in 2Thess 2:15 speaking about Catholic "Tradition"-the transmission of the Word of God by the church, and especially by Catholic bishops?
Or is he referring to something entirely different? First, let's read the
verse in context:
"But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore,brethren, STAND FAST and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or OUR epistle" (2Thessalonian 2:13-15)
Everything is about tradition of spreading THE GOOD NEWS.
The Apostle Paul exhorted the believers in Thessalonica to "hold the traditions"
which he had taught them ALREADY. The word translated "traditions" simply means "a giving over, a handing down." So Paul is here referring to the teachings which he had "handed down" to the Thessalonians, the truth of the Gospel he mentioned in the previous verse. He had instructed them orally when he was present with them, and by letter when he was away.
Paul commands them to keep the doctrines which he had handed on,
irrespective of the way they were delivered.
How can we apply this principle in our own time? We too must "hold the traditions"-we must learn,
BELIEVE ONLY , obey and defend the apostolic doctrine, the true Gospel of God and His SIMPLE and POWERFUL Salvation.
Paul does not say about HUMAN tradition but about the word of God Jesus Himself, ( John 1 :1-17) about spreading the good news and how we can be saved. Jesus didn't come to share any other gospel, only one, which was about Salvation, and it is about this tradition Paul is talking about. Tradition isn't an add-on to the Bible but it is one with it.
Actually, I love Catholic tradition - but your comment is only true for some areas (& if we're going to generalize, I think I can safely hazard to guess that they tend to be the more liberal ones). For example, where I live in TX the NO parishes are packed, & while there is a thriving traditional parish about 40 minutes drive from us, it is only about 10% the size of the small NO parishes in our diocese - and about 1% the size of our largest parishes.
what don't you think he's correct about may I ask ?
Men have always wanted the discipline and tradition. There is a reason that so many Churches today are full of middle aged and older women, and there are hardly any men to be found. Men are called to do what Adam did not, namely sacrifice themselves for the good of others. The new Mass, the new Theology, etc. all but destroys that idea. Take away the sacrificial nature of the Mass for sake of the communal meal, teach that we can reasonably hope that all go to Heaven, and this is what you get.
Good, right on, but that priest at the end...last scene....did he actually hold the amice in his teeth?
No you haven' found the language to engage the modern world. You abandoned the language that engages the modern world.
Not correct about what?
I say "old hags" in a twisted, almost affectionate way, I grew up with these religious, they're my childhood and formation. Whenever I think about trying to combat them as progressive opposition I feel like laughing and crying at the same time.... I can't because they're honestly are well-meaning but horribly misguided! I can only hope for their souls in purgatory when they pass, as well as someone more tastefully oriented liturgically to replace them! I'm non-confrontational, I wait it out...
You confuse ecumenism with evangelization.
psychological screening ???
U know if you're mexican that your heritage IS the Catholic Church. It's sad that you have denied what is in your blood, your religion.
What?
Won't happen. You're young and hot-headed and a bit airy in the attic. No organization around for a double millenium will fall at the hands of rabble because it fills a very deep human need which you have not yet begun to explore in your callow self.
I'm 24 years old and I don't think this priest is correct.
well whether gay or hetrosexual (hopefully the latter) - more will realise that sexuality should be primary kept within marriage with the intention or procreation and priests will be good and holy by upholding priestly celibacy
Such hatred, are you alright?
No he's not.
This video needs to be updated in order to reflect Pope Francis' views on the "reform of the reform".
+Francesco Rampino The only reform is WE MUST GO BACK TO THE TRIDENTINE MASS. Simple as that.
How do we keep the gays out of the priesthood, though?
I was an alter boy in the Latin Mass and I can go both ways but I think the new mass with the priest facing the people brings the people into the mass
Isn't it about God though? People spend most of their time thinking about themselves. How about spend a little time thinking about God instead of people. I think the new mass is a joke compared to the old way.
I don't know, but they're destroying the Church
Just shows your ignorance. Why don't you pick up a Bible sometime and read about the trappings Yahweh ordered for the Tabernacle and then the Temple. Additionally, the faithful want to offer God their best. Back in the old days there was no pope-mobile. The Pope was elevated not for his glory but so the people could see him and he could see and bless the people. You also show a great ignorance of the actual teachings of Vatican II. Benedict XVI was carrying out Vatican II, not trashing it.
What modernist rubbish do you have to back up your point?
BIBLE says:NO tradition of man. Is there Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?YES!
The Bible says 46 times : IT IS WRITTEN !
Tht mens tht God`s Word is the only True
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 ADD NOT unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR"
This leaves of EVERYTHING ELSE which is added to the Word. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees because they were trying to make tradition equal with the Word of God
1 Corinthians 4:6"not to think of men above that which is written" - IT MEANS SOLA SCRIPTURA
Mark 7:13"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye"
We re NOT to put the oral Word in conjunction with the written Word
Is Paul here in 2Thess 2:15 speaking about Catholic "Tradition"-the transmission of the Word of God by the church, and especially by Catholic bishops?
Or is he referring to something entirely different? First, let's read the
verse in context:
"But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore,brethren, STAND FAST and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or OUR epistle" (2Thessalonian 2:13-15)
Everything is about tradition of spreading THE GOOD NEWS.
The Apostle Paul exhorted the believers in Thessalonica to "hold the traditions"
which he had taught them ALREADY. The word translated "traditions" simply means "a giving over, a handing down." So Paul is here referring to the teachings which he had "handed down" to the Thessalonians, the truth of the Gospel he mentioned in the previous verse. He had instructed them orally when he was present with them, and by letter when he was away.
Paul commands them to keep the doctrines which he had handed on,
irrespective of the way they were delivered.
How can we apply this principle in our own time? We too must "hold the traditions"-we must learn,
BELIEVE ONLY , obey and defend the apostolic doctrine, the true Gospel of God and His SIMPLE and POWERFUL Salvation.
Paul does not say about HUMAN tradition but about the word of God Jesus Himself, ( John 1 :1-17) about spreading the good news and how we can be saved. Jesus didn't come to share any other gospel, only one, which was about Salvation, and it is about this tradition Paul is talking about. Tradition isn't an add-on to the Bible but it is one with it.
You are totally wrong!!!!