How Bad is Tesla Full Self-Driving? Captured by Insta360 ONE RS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2022
- We drive around with the Tesla FSD beta and show its strengths and weaknesses.
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Tesla released its public beta for the "full-self driving" autonomous package that has been promised for over 6 years. After being frustrated with paying for and never receiving any FSD features on my Tesla Model 3, I decided not to opt for the package when purchasing my Tesla Model Y. Not to mention that the price of FSD has risen to a ludicrous $12,000. But, Papa Elon finally delivered. Can the promise of FSD possibly hold up or is it all just one elaborate scam? In this video, we'll test Tesla Full Self-Driving and identify its strengths and many weaknesses that need improvement before even thinking about a wide public release.
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Your experience letting this thing drive reminded me of my dad teaching me how to drive for the first time. Me panicking and him cringing was basically the entire experience. Being an official autopilot beta tester must be an anxiety-inducing nightmare.
Which you pay 8-12k for ...
Yep. Except, if I had a teenage kid that was doing this bad I’d probably make them go practice in the yard on a power wheels toy first 😂
@@snazzy Musk needs to train tesla cars in the yard on power wheels-- problem solved! :D
@@Adrian-jn9ov you pay more for a kid lol
@@snazzy Honestly, it's sad that Musk is making millions off having everyone 'beta test' his stuff that he ships 2 - 3 years overdue. In what world is that a good / sane business practise.
I completely understand how complicated it is and how much training it needs.
But I think I'd be disappointed if I spent 8k or 12k on that kind of auto-driving experience.
It seems like more hassle worrying about what the car is going to do, than just driving it yourself.
You do realize 12k is not the production ready pricing? You're buying an option call on the software, and it's priced accordingly. The 100% robotaxi ready FSD will be much closer to $100k.
@@bujin5455 Nobody is going to pay that amount. You are repeating what Musk says in order to justify the prices. He's been doing this for years and he knows.
100%. The pricing is ludicrous and attachment rate is rumored to be less than 5% currently vs 50% in 2018. People aren’t buying it anymore and they shouldn’t until it’s complete. And that’s gonna be in a longgggg time.
And yes, 100% more stressful than just driving yourself haha
@JP Boy, you haven't thought that through, as even a $100k per license would be CHEAP. ...it's ok though, time will convince where reason will not. But most people, if they manage to own a Tesla after FSD is production ready, will likely subscribe to FSD. It's unclear whether Tesla will even continue to sell cars or the FSD software after it's done. Tesla would make more money, and further their mission faster, simply by managing transport as a service.
PS - The fact you've bought some Tesla shares means utterly nothing in this discussion. Anyone can buy Tesla.
Tesla should definitely add some kind of automated L plates that pop out whenever the car's in full self driving in order to let other drivers know to expect bad driving.
With the rate it's improving right now maybe in the future it will be a sign to know it's a great driver driving. I'm really excited to see how it will evolve with time.
@@sabahoudini "improving" lol
@@andreiamenta I don't know what to tell you. I've been watching it since people started posting FSD videos on youtube. I've noticed big improvements. It still sucks, but it sucks less. I believe it's going to suck less and less until it doesn't suck anymore. V10.11 is a big jump, exciting times. This stuff is hard, the fact that it is performing at this level is quite amazing.
@@sabahoudini The 80-20 rule is incredibly relevant here. We're definitely not 80% of the way to full self driving, and that's the easiest part. That last 20%, which is arguably the most important, is going to take exponentially longer. Nobody will want anything to do with it if it works "almost" all the time. FSD is going to take a long time to not suck, and so, so much longer to be great.
@@SplicesAndCelluloid I think that you are thinking about this being a classical programming problem. If you had to program this the old fashion way of "if/else" statements and whatnot it would take exponentionally longer. However this is not hard coded. I believe it's a matter of it crossing a certain threshold where it becomes intelligent enough for the task. Also a human is not 100%. It only has to be better than a human when he's checking his phone, having a conversation with someone in the car, eating a sandwitch and not paying attention to the road to be better than a human because that's when accidents happen. Of course it needs to be much better than this but you get my point.
Thank you for the great demo. FSD is still firmly in the "would fail a teenage driving test" category, but interesting to see the progress
It would be funny to have a DMV driving tester use FSD and give it a pass or fail based on its performance
Not sure how is it in your country but I think this is worse than that. Average teenager driver beginner is mostly too cautious and slow. They don't do mistakes from this video.
Yeah I agree with this. I have the FSD beta and really only use it when I am mentally prepared to take over like a brand new permit driver is at the wheel.
@@austinlewis6944 There were several moments where the car would have driven off the road if he didn't take over... I am pretty sure that driving off the road is an instant fail in a driving test... so no need to wonder about getting that passing grade ;)
Yeah. There are still so many variables and lack of long vision that we have with our eyes. The safety tech is amazing and highway driving is smooth, but I feel we are a long way from full self driving. It would be the safest when most cars are self driving to better monitor the traffic since they will be able to talk to each other.
Watching an analysis like this gives me an appreciation for how freaking complex modern traffic can be. Even with all the flaws and shit driving out there it’s nothing short of a miracle how death rates in traffic aren’t 10 times higher than they are, with all those thousands and thousands of signs and special cases and missing lines and sudden events.
Humans are very good drivers.
Me driving in a third world country I’m surprised every time I drive out and don’t get killed. Road rules here are basically non existent, at least in developed countries people largely follow them. Driving there seems like a breezy dream
Yep agreed. even now with the bugs, it still drives safer than some people.
@@alolanstarboy that was my thought as well. That's how people drive in Singapore too. Just get in the car and get where you need to go as fast as possible driver courtesy is non existent lol
Luckily other companies have already Full Self Driving without driver at all. So seems to be not that complex, if you do it right.
The fact that people paid $8,000-10,000 on a feature that they never saw during their car lease is insane. That would be PR suicide for another car company.
I am what some would probably consider a Tesla Fanboy, but I 100% agree with you. I think that Tesla should have it where it can transfer to your next Tesla, especially since if you lease a Tesla now, you can't buy it out at the end of the lease. I paid $7,000 for my FSD, and I bought it since I intend to keep my car for more than 100k miles.
@@mikebond6698 I agree with you. Love the cars, just not a big fan of some of their business practices. That's a good idea to make FSD driver transferable rather than car transferable.
Damn, I thought the same. Unbelievable how it didn’t had any consequences till today.
Stupidity is the rule
They would need to be forced to reimburse the FSD payment if you never got it during your ownership
In Europe, this car wouldn't pass the driving test... driving examiners here get really pickie. Also, I love how you described roundabout as something out of ordinary (looks out of the window here in UK).
wouldn't pass here in Colorado either smh
The thing struggles in car-centric US, gl getting anywhere in Europe like that lol
Yeah, it would have failed here in Utah.
It would be nice to live in a place with good enough public transportation that a driver's license isn't necessary to survive, I was rushed through the test two years ago, it was ONLY PARALLEL PARKING and I still failed twice.
Roundabouts are in the US but isn’t as common as it is in Europe. We’re implementing more of them now though.
I feel like supervising a somewhat erratic, doesn’t know all the traffic laws yet, may need you to take over at any moment student driver is more stressful than just driving.
100%
That’s what I noticed as well!
Realistically speaking, I think this piece of software is less dangerous than some drivers out there, so objectively we’re on the right track. But I’d be so stressed out trying to decipher what the car will do the next second that I’d gladly prefer driving myself, thank you very much.
100%
Truth. I couldn't even watch the video without squirming in my desk chair with stress--
@@snazzy your opinion is trash
Just want to take a second to appreciate how genius and seamless the Insta360 sponsor is. It genuinely added to the video's quality instead of feeling forced in
I found it really obtrusive how deeply integrated it was with the video. Made me want to stop watching halfway through.
@@StuartQuinn yeah especially with the tacky life360 watermark in the corner
So autopilot works fine except for the "fringe" situations that occur every minute.
I haven't seen 8k or 12k spent this poorly in quite some time.
Not to split hair's but this was FSD not autopilot. FYI
That’s the difference between Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), which seems to be mostly what Tesla relies on, and true self driving. Tesla has already taught their algorithms about many edge cases, but there is this theory that until this algorithm learns how to act preemptively, as opposed to reacting to situations when it’s too late, we will not reach true self driving. At the moment FSD is like ACC+. The goal seems to be replacing a human driver and I think we’re further from that goal than we are away from the starting point which ultimately is ACC.
@@Bagels29 how’s autopilot different from fsd?
@@victornpb Autopilot is just adaptive cruise control with line centering. It's base with every tesla and a feature that every car has nowadays. FSD is full self driving. Tesla also still does not have FSD, this is FSD beta, not the final state.
@@37racso I think it’s still in many ways a training and data issue. Road laws, signage, street design, etc… all vary widely between countries and even states. Stuff like roundabout handling would be a priority if Tesla were aimed at the European market, while a lot of human drivers in America also have no clue what to do at one of them.
It is also in many ways the fault of city planning and road design if we ever plan to have autonomous vehicles sharing the road with humans. Stuff like having to turn into bike lanes is abhorrent and dangerous city design, regardless of who is driving.
I have FSD beta on my Model Y and this video is HIGHLY ACCURATE and almost identical to how my Tesla performs in Los Angeles.
I feel like Telsa FSD would perform better in places where infrastructure isn't so old persay. I would love to see how FSD would perform in Nevada. I love California but even I a person struggle driving there let alone a computer lol.
A problem with self driving is that if you need to jump in often, it's more trouble than it's worth. If it needs help only on rare occasions you won't be prepared and it could be dangerous.
Man as a game dev that "FSD" looks to be in Pre-Alpha or mid alpha based on how it thinks in action... Also reminds me of a young little trained horse.
“Beta” is extremely generous, yes.
Depends on what company we're talking about. EA would call this ready for release!
At this rate we might see a release candidate in 5 years, but only certified for specific cities.
@@ChristianWagner888 we say this for years already. FSD is not to be solved.
@@chaosreaper5008 True that
I test drove a Model 3 for about 8 miles using the adaptive cruise control (FSD not activated). On a smooth, broad, and well paved road it phantom braked 5 times with no cars or pedestrians around. When a semi was approaching in the opposite lane, the car freaked out and panic braked and sounded an alarm, but the truck had more than a normal degree of separation. I thought, “Gees! If a Tesla cannot handle a normal adaptive cruise without multiple driver interventions, it certainly never could handle full self driving. Whew! I almost bought a Tesla, I’m SURE glad I didn’t!
It's both, very impressive how well it works already and also very clear that it still need a LOT of work.
Compared to just driving it yourself, it seems much more stressful constantly making sure the car behaves nicely…
As cool as it seems. I can't imagine paying 12k to feel like I'm teaching a 13 year old to drive for the first time.
I know it isn't the same thing, but I've had a better experience with OpenPilot which isn't even claiming to be "full self driving"
When I drove I nearly hit a few people
I was not good.
Because ACC is different from FSD, there's a comment in here that explains this, this car I would say it's in a alpha or pre-alpha version, it needs so much improvement
That’s true! Why do I pay to help QA this product? I just want to take a break on my commute, instead of train a 13-year-old.
"Yikes! That's not good!" Is the perfect quote to describe every single thing wrong with self driving. This represented incredibly normal situations in this area.
This was hilarious loved every second of this video. I also loved the editing. Very smooth and well transitioned. Great video. I laughed so much when it wouldn’t turn when there were no cars coming at all. That was my favorite part. God bless you guys and I’m subscribing
Lived in Utah my whole life and moved away for half a year, now on my way back. Seeing you drive through all these streets and views I remember made me feel very nostalgic. Always, you make wonderful, really informative videos.
This seems to be the best way to test the fsd. Hands on the wheel and feet on the pedal. Very well done video.
Very informative video, and high quality as always! I don't think self driving will be ready anytime soon :') Unluckily, I hate the idea of driving because I consider myself having very bad reflexes, so a fully automated future would be my dream
What camera did you use for the side-shots? Had very good quality. Only thing it was a bit ''annoying'' the fact that it kept changing the color profile so dramatically between that shot and the instax (which also had a very good quality)
This is amazing. A great example of why autopilot is so fing hard and we just aren't there yet. Definitely flashbacks to my parents teaching me to drive. Kinda weird to see a computer doing the same things that new drivers that don't know the rules well do.
That was the thing that hit me. It's not good at driving but neither are human drivers. All the mistakes it made I've seen people make!
@@strayiggytv yes, but they make them with a much higher frequency.
@@wta1518 that's relative also
@@wta1518 yeah that's relative to where you live, traffic load etc. You live in Hong Kong you see dangerous driving 24/7 and scooters don't obey the traffic laws AT ALL. I'd rather drive on a road full of self driving cars as they are now than navigate Hong Kong at peak traffic.
@@strayiggytv maybe I'm just lucky to live in a place where people drive like they have at least a quarter of a brain.
05:39 This car be shakin’, that bumper shot footage sure ain’t 😉 Sick video, Quinn 💯
not a tesla fan, but as someone with junior AI knowledge, i can only appreciate the low amount of errors that the ai makes. i wonder if insta 360's computer vision ai is as slick too.
quinn did not mention any so i'm not keeping my hopes up
I really like how you integrated the insta360 footage -pls do that more often
I hated this sponsorship. Always taking me off from this video... I would prefer him to talk about the camera and the beginning like he did, and don't mention them after that (or just say "changing to this camera" and nothing more).
@@glujaz agreed. I thought it was awful, you couldn't get away from it.
This summarizes all my personal issues with the current build of FSD.
This video is HILARIOUS and sooo entertaining and explained clearly, the way you explain everything the car does is truly great and also funny the way you see it as a selfish teenager 😂 I really love this video 10/10
I’ve never had so much anxiety watching a TH-cam video. Even with the beautiful scenery and relaxing vibe.
It's definitely not ready for release but at the very least, use the button to tell the devs when the car does something it shouldn't. That helps them to make the system better quicker.
At this stage I honestly prefer active cruise control with lane keeping assistant. It's level 2 assist, but solidly so with very little unexpected or wishy-washy behaviour.
Please do more of those videos, such a great one!
Defo the best video I've seen on FSD, and I follow a lot of FSD channels and I'd say I'm a Tesla nerd (not a stan tho), I'd love to see some more rural, perhaps unpaved roads!
As an Australian who drives on the left side, watching the car turn right into a right lane scared the crap out of me, especially with how shotty the car was acting already. 😱
Likewise, I was freaked out in Australia.
Nice video Quinn. As someone studying deep learning it is impressive what the AI already can do, but as a consumer it is still laughably bad and seems pretty much useless outside of a highway.
Also as a European America just seems comically large.
Especially if it is a cautious about pedestrians. There are a lot more of them around and much nearer to the cars in europe.
@@Adrian-jn9ov Exactly what I was thinking. He'd have murdered 20 people by the end of the video if it'd been filmed in London.
America was more designed for cars than Europe, one of the benefits of being a fairly new nation.
@@wta1518 A benefit?
@@riemjann1 Yes, because our streets are larger and less twisty.
What a great review of the FSD beta, Quinn, and also those cameras look amazing!
This video is arguably the best insta 360 sponsorship I have seen, and I’ve seen basically all of the at this point. Awesome work y’all this was super cool!
Thank you!
I feel like cars using FSD should have a sticker as you would have for a student driver.
It's erratic and looks like a danger to other road users in its current state.
I’ve been inclined to put one. Frankly, I get so worried about annoying other drivers (I like to think I’m a very good, defensive driver) that I’m probably not a good beta tester because I just take over when it’s being the slightest bit dumb or whenever traffic is around me.
I feel like a “learner driver” tag would be appropriate, since I guess that’s what it is at this point
@@snazzy This would be me. I'm so cognizant of the traffic around me and the flow thereof that I would cut it off all the time.
@TeslaDaily did put learner sticker ;-)
@@snazzy I would think that this is probably the best way to be a beta tester. The AI can learn the most when you immediately correct it’s errors, how slight they might be.
Elon: "Self Driving only needs cameras, nothing else"
Also Elon: "I need 4k more to cover the lawsuits for camera-only self-driving"
Great vid Quinn! Shows that it's very obvious self driving is not ready for the populous. The issues weren't major flubs, but they're major enough that you can do some serious damage if you're not paying attention.
Elon Musk is a grifter who's lucky to be hiring people smarter than him.
@@hermitgreenn Spoken like a true pathetic commenter!
@@ztechrepairs funny how you really felt the need to insult someone over what they said about some billionaire dude who doesn’t care you exist. Really shows what kind of a person you are
@@37racso 🤣
Not seeing the world enough isn't the problem which is what most people think, its what to do with the already abundant data captured.
Very nice video! I actually bought FSD on my model Y and am just about to go on the 100 mile drive to get the beta today. That bit about un-updated map data is something I have noticed in the valley. Even simple things like the missing update to the I-215 exit. Very disappointing, I wish Tesla had some sort of way to let us give feedback. Where they are just using google maps data is seems like such an easy fix.
I love how you do those sponsored ads, doesn’t feel intrusive or sound like a salesman pushing something on you. Keep rocking Quinn, love the vids
As a car guy, I would be more relaxed just doing everything my self. I’d be too paranoid monitoring what autopilot does. Just as I’ve said, we’ve got a LONG way to go before there is true self driving.
@mogad The Waymo/Cruise model depends on highly detailed 3d maps. This might not be sustainable you expand to 100 or 300 cities. The maps need to be regenerated on a regular basis.
Not sure if you're also planning on covering the IONIQ 5 as a part of your future EV videos, but I'd love to see your take on it.
Nice seeing SLC as well as the self driving. Very cool.
Awesome vid as always. I know you mentioned below that non-tech videos perform badly for you but I’m just curious whats the state of your collection for watches. Anyway, keep up the quality videos :)
There is no way that Tesla should be charging users for the self-drive feature and I'm surprised that they're allowed to have it enabled on production cars as I believe it's dangerous. It's far from reliable in its current state as most of your attention is on trying to predict or react to what it's doing.
How can you even call it ‘Full Self-Driving’ when you’re in the driver seat?! There’s more anxiety handholding the Tesla through traffic than there is just normal driving! 🤦♂️ Why even bother risking one’s life, an expensive car and other peoples property just to be a beta tester? Does the Tesla software actually learn as it’s driving?
Hi Roderick, FSD is the final product, it's currently in learning mode for those that want to help train it. AI learns from data and the more real world data it gets the better it will become. The reason people bother is for the greater good. The sooner we get distracted/drunk/inattentive/tired people away from driving and give the job to robots the more lives will be saved. If I can drive a Tesla on FSD beta and help give Tesla real world data to train their Neural Nets, then FSD will be completed sooner. Yes it's expensive, but if people are in the financial situation where they can afford it then good for them. As for risks, the drivers are always in control of their vehicles so the risks are the same as driving without FSD beta. Once it's solved then FSD will drive better than humans, maybe even super human with all the cameras around them. Today (from what I've googled) 36,096 people died in 2019 from auto accidents just in the United States, probably 100,000 serious accidents with seriously injured people. The sooner we solve FSD the more people in the future will be saved.
Spoken like a true marketeer! 🤣
@@nowhereman999 mutch of this stuff dost have to do with ai and lerning. maby the objeckt and line detecting but the rest has nothing to do with ai. and tesla gets data from all tesla cars(even without fsd beta). and on the server they compere how the fsd beta would handle it. i think that if you only use fsd beta to help tessla make the product better is strange. u shud get paid for that and not pay for it if this is true. and the last point is that you arent dirictly saving lives that is just speculation. maby tesla is bankrupt bevore fsd is finished. if you do somithing for a company u shuld get somthing.
People get hurt and sometimes killed in cars. Get the same people to help you develop your product instead of trained professionals.
Maybe bathtubs and stairs need to be completely redesigned first if we are truly interested in saving lives.
Solid review, and what a scenic tour of SLC!
Never sell yourself short on real estate!
Great video, also that insta cam video looks so good
As a teenager currently learning how to drive I can confirm, the autopilot is in fact a teenager driving. Whenever Quinn pointed something odd or weird that the car would do most of the times I was going "But it is wrong?"
@Snazzy - While watching, it didn't appear that you reported any of the mistakes, unless those were edited out. If you didn't report it, then it won't be flagged for review. Another way to get it flagged is if you hit the brakes, turn the wheel until FSD/AP disengages, and some people have stated that hitting the accelerator also flags the incident.
I bought my Tesla 3 in mid-2020, and paid the full price at the time ($7K), and I was added to the FSD beta in early November. I know it's far from perfect, and from where I live now (NC instead of CA where I lived prior) it does seem to have more issues. Nothing that I would say is major, just issues with dashed-line merges and roundabouts it's still hesitant. However I will admit that currently (I am on FSD 10.10.2) it is not able to complete a drive without me reporting an issue, but it's worlds better than it was when I first entered the beta.
Sounds pretty dangerous to „flag“ these incidents.
I’m very good at flagging normally but I was focused on completing a drive safely while recording video and audio etc.
Also, any time you disengage with the brake or wheel, it auto-reports.
This video is a prime example if just how outstanding Snazzy Labs is at sponsor integration. Demoing a product throughout, while making the entire video about a interesting topic with tons of educational content, all while talking about the piratical use of a sponsored product that Quinn is genuinely excited about. That is not an easy thing to do. This video demonstrates how great the businesses model of Snazzy Labs is and how focusing on high quality, high return videos with reduced upload frequency compared to similar channels, works and I am so exciting to see what you guys do next!
As for FSD, it's hard to imagine we are right around to corner to fully autonomous vehicles. It certainly will happen, but it appears we have a ways to go yet. Keep up the fantastic work! I'm extremely excited for more EV and Self-Driving content from you in the future!
Thanks, Carter!
It's really interesting seeing people in LA reviewing FSD, and having no problems, and seeing you review it, and having a lot of problems.
I cant believe we have this on our roads. Makes me scared to near a road! It’s like putting a child behind the wheel.
Not a child, but a grandmother who's about to lose her license or a 14-year old who just got behind the wheel for the first time.
In Germany the road safety authority is already demanding Tesla to let them check and approve updates for Tesla vehicles with the argument that the road is not a lab for experiments and this compromises everyone's safety...
a drunk child behind the wheel...
Man, this thing is just NOT ready for real life traffic in any way, shape or form. And I’m saying this as a Tesla fan. I am actually shocked. I thought it was almost ready, and just needed to drive some miles in beta to iron out a few wrinkles. But this was actually dangerous driving in some places and definitely not comfortable most of the time. Also, your theory about it using map data to determine where the STOP signs are seems legit, but complete contrary to how the system is supposed to work.
If there’s one positive I can take out of this video, it makes me appreciate human drives more, even the bad ones. The amount of situations that the AI has issues with, but a human can solve without a second thought, is a real eye opener.
I think it’s mainly down to committing, most drivers good or bad at least commit to their decisions. The worst drivers are those who hesitate, especially uncomfortable young drivers. Committing to a maneuver, good or otherwise allows everyone else to react accordingly, whereas the Tesla hesitating in many situations mean that unless there is no traffic it will either make poor choices or, illegal ones.
Remember that video where it almost drove into a biker (but the driver stopped it)? Yea... it's definitely not ready.
Would love to see how this works on a snow covered street with 5ft high snow banks along the sides (Winnipeg for 3 months this winter).
Most human drivers where pulling their cars halfway into the lane to check for traffic and you just kinda have to guess where the lanes are from past experience.
Most streets with more than 2 lanes in each direction also lost a lane to snow banks falling into the street.
It was a particularly bad year for snow in Winnipeg and it's only now starting to melt but I'd estimate that FSD wouldn't make it more than a block before just handing control over during this winter.
Still hopeful but I'm sure not paying the early adopter tax anytime soon.
Thanks Quinn! Look forward to seeing some winter testing in the future!
Thanks for this video FSD still seems years away probably needs both more cameras - a sharp left and sharp right camera at the front for turns and a faster cpu. That was very easy traffic that you went through. Can’t imagine how dangerous it would perform with 5-10 times the traffic around the car.
Really interesting video! Loved the sponsorship and the FSD piece. It's still less than beta and I think there's way more approximation in the driving compared to real time calculation. Sure it's doing something real time, like obstacles avoidance, pedestrian safety, lane and distance keeping, and road sign recognition. But, other than that, I think it's relying way too much on the GPS data to do things. That's also why it's stopping so far back before the bumper lines most of the time if there's no real indication of where to stop. Or why it's stopping on an empty roundabout.
There's the need to way more awarenes by the computer to drive and it really puts into perspective how much the roads we drive on today are made for humans and not for machines.
I must say I am shocked about the state of autopilot. I really thought it would handle relativ simple road layouts better, given the huge promises behind this technology by Elon and others. Autopilot would be completely lost in europeans inner city traffic, as most streets are 2/3 the width as American alternatives. So there would be a lot less space for errors and 50% of the ones shown in the video would end in small crashes or at least scratched rims. I personally think a car with a software like this should not be allowed on public roads, even if you call it a beta and the participation is invite only, if i remember right.
Yea, most times if left unchecked it would have caused accidents.
Not only that but between being attentive all the time waiting for errors to happen or just go and drive myself, I’d probably just choose the later to avoid the double anxiety.
If he hadn't been on top of the car at all times like he was it definitely would have caused crashes.
Guys this is fsdbeta for handful of testers , autopilot works well on highway, that’s what it’s for . Don’t mix the two up
It is only a question of time until it kills or severely insures a cyclist and in the mean time it will gladly block all bike lanes like the biggest dick.
Good video. Which version of FSD Beta were you using?
I don't know why I don't watch your channel more often... i've known it for years but i go long periods of time without watching. And it's a shame because, in my mind, you've always come across as one of the most genuine and honest content creators.
Thanks, Joel!
Boy, this is such a good demo that makes me not want any FSD. I’ll take my cars that I control, thanks!
I think he summed it up nicely with, "That's bad... He he heee."
i read the he he like mical jackson
What a great video! Learned so much. Thanks
You're absolutely genius at combining sponsored content with the perfect video ^^
Tbh in this state I would not use the Autopilot. It is more relaxing to drive yourself and not worry about whether the autopilot will be able to follow the rules. It needs to become more confident driving and need to make better decision in more „tricky“ situations.
Hopefully it will get better in the future and I know it is just a beta.
It made several illegal lane changes all four wheels across solid white lines approaching intersections. I'm waiting for Tesla owners to try to fight traffic tickets when cops spot those moves, lol
Around the Capital, UofU campus, the U Surplus store, and the Avenues ... Never thought a tech video would make me Nostalgic, Quinn
I've just found Your Channel, @Snazzy, so I don't know if you always do the ads like this. But this should really be the industry standard, whenever it's possible with the product. It didn't bother me at all and in fact, I was interested in the camera and what you had to say about it! Good job and good content, my friend...
kidding me? normally it's 15 seconds at the beginning then you can skip and be done with it. This guy used intrusive call-backs to the product like 5 times, on top of a minute spiel at the beginning. Very obnoxious.
I love the modularity of the insta360 but the footage from the 6k widescreen looked horrendous, choppy, over saturated and crunchy. the one inside the car looked wicked though
Yeah it was really jerky. I've seen this behavior from my Hero 8 but only in footage with a ton of detail (like moving fast through a forest or something).
You can't expect these action cams to compete with a good mirrorless but when their footage is worse than a phone it makes you wonder..
Compression artefacts. It’s the Achilles heel of most sport cameras. When there is a lot of detail they completely lose it and even in 4K modes and above you’ll see tons of blocks and noise from the compression algorithm desperately trying to crunch the details to fit the bitrate.
@@37racso not even that the frame rate dropped.
@@SpiritOfTheSeasons that could also be the compression. If your compression algorithm is crappy, it might be struggling with inter-frame transitions causing some major skipping. It could also be the camera actually dropping frames, but my bet would be on the compression given how blocky the image got at times.
This is also testing it with Utah drivers, so that is an accomplishment in itself!
This is making me realize how many fringe driving decisions I make throughout the day, like predicting other drivers’ actions and pedestrians suddenly jumping out. I’m sure it’s a lot better than me at Certain things though
Your city looks beautiful with those mountains in the background.
This seems mores stressful then letting a student driver drive.
And more expensive. Just imagine how many hours you can have a student drive for you for 12000$.
Quinn, I'd love to see you do an Autopilot (non FSD) VS Openpilot from Comma AI. I use it everyday and it's fantastic! Consumer Reports also scored it higher than any other ADAS system.
Thanks Quinn for giving us an objective view on this feature. My conclusion based on this video: It still needs a lot of work to be even remotely save and usable for the average driver. Thanks again and keep up the great work 🙂
Loved the video. Very informative. Only negative was the constant promotion of the Insta360 camera. Other TH-camrs promote something at the start of the video and then it’s the last the viewer hears of it. I mean, we get it…it’s good. Aside from this, well done!
The fact that people still chose to die on the hill of "Autopilot is ready as a full-self driving feature, not a driving aid" is insane to me. Absolute joke.
all i care about is full self driving on the highway. I just want to be able to sit back and relax on a roadtrip. I'd rather stay where we are right now (with the beta) for a decade to let the system refine itself.
Yup , that’s the best usage rather than trying to do city driving, hope it can do bumper to bumper traffic fine, it’s about removing pain points and let it refine further to remove human error and eventually in driving
I mean you can do that with GM's Super cruise right now you just need to be focused on the road.
Absolutely wish Tesla would re-allocate resources to the highway Autopilot suite. The improvements over the last 3 years are basically zero and they’ve gone from being leagues above everyone else to just better than average. And that’s a shame because that’s the one area I think people want it the most and the one area that level 4+ software could actually be achieved soon.
Great video, I am waiting for the studio display review.
Dude! I knew you were in Utah, but for some reason I didn’t even think about you being in the SLC area. I’m in West Valley. You’re a brave man for letting that thing drive you around the Temple Square area right now. I drove past there the other day. I was on my way home from the U Hospital and decided to stop by City Creek to get some things from the Apple Store, and the amount of people not paying attention was boggling.
And that construction zone near the middle is a pain when your driving yourself.
As much I love the idea of FSD and think it’s very promising, $12k for a frankly very crumby beta is absurd. Not to mention the safety issues that come with letting these things on the road, and the problem with Elon Musk continuously over promising and under delivering. Tesla is making it harder and harder to like them as a company
Actually, it's easy to show that the FSD beta testing program is improving safety on the road. Not that the FSD beta software itself is safer than human drivers-it obviously isn't. But the combination of the FSD beta software doing some things well, and mainly avoiding all sorts of dangerous activities that human drivers engage in, while a human driver is ready at all times to take over when the software fails a basic driving skill, improves overall safety. In particular, based on easily available data and reasonable assumptions, the 50,000-some FSD beta testers would be expected to have 50-plus accidents a month; but in fact there have been none. I can show the math if anyone's interested.
@@Big_Ben_from_La_Mesa Does the math include the Tesla software developer fired for posting a video of his car driving into a road pylon?
@@dontworry1302 that employee was fired for commenting/analyzing on the video he posted, not because he posted the footage. He committed a fireable offence based on the NDA he signed.
@@dontworry1302 Pretty sure that was a "violated the NDA" issue, and not a "math" issue. Numerous Tesla owners post videos with negative comments about FSD beta, and Tesla makes no effort to silence them. But they have every right to expect a higher level of behavior from their own employees, and to terminate employers who don't comply.
@@dontworry1302 He's right though. Quinn and several commenters mentioned that the car was behaving like someone (usually a teenager) learning how to drive, and as someone who's learning how to drive right now, I could relate. What's interesting is that people who coach me say it's harder to pay attention with a new driver than it is to just drive the car themselves. In other words, they _are_ much more focused than they'd be on their own. You can see this with Quinn here. Do you think he'd be focusing and thinking so much if he weren't testing this thing? I doubt it. Of course, we're only talking about a tiny pool of 50K drivers, this conversation's mostly for fun.
I recognize, that in order for self driving to improve, it needs to have as many people using it as possible, so they can collect data to improve. What i don't understand, is how in the hell tesla managed to pull this off legally. The fact that they can give this beta to everyone, and people can just use it, even though its a mess. It's terrifying. I'd rather have drunken 15yos on the road
The legal mess you have to agree to in order to get FSD beta is insane. You are 100% responsible for anything the car does, even if it just bugs out and drives straight into oncoming traffic. Tesla gets away with it by basically making their paying customers their beta testers (the privilege that costs them even more of course), without any of the legal hurdle. It’s almost unbelievable there are people willing to take these risks for what essentially acts like buggy adaptive cruise control.
@@37racso oh for sure i knew there must be a bat shit release form. But even with that, i still can't believe the government's like......yea ok whatever haha
Interesting video, Quinn, and fantastic quality from the Insta. Gotta say, though ... very distracted by how much your car rattles in that construction zone. Can't believe Tesla fans put up with that.
For now i would just call it a Driver support that does not work really good, we are years away from an absolutly self driving, i really think this would be awesome if was used for new drivers or people who knows how to drive but they just dont enjoy it, anyways, we could see how this car needs a better detection system for stops, cars, etc. but i must say that seeing this system made me feel good knowing that we are kind of improving, nice video!
They specifically commented on detecting opened doors in the FSD 10.11 release notes.
... and he's on 10.2.
Wow, SO interesting. I've never been to North America, so lots of things to see....
I just wondered: is the tarmac on your roads this bad everywhere? And it's interesting to see stop signs everywhere, as they rarely use them here in Europe :)
Anyway, I'd say the auto driving is quite some way off working properly on it's own..
It would be SO interesting to test this beta driving through Amsterdam, especially the city centre. I wonder if it would actually get to anywhere like this ;)
I do agree with Gadget Addict. It looks like you pay 12k for being a beta tester for a system that MIGHT one day come, even though you already paid a lot for it...
I do like you doing more of this kind of stuff though. OKay, I also really enjoy the audio stuff in between, as I am a rare beast, just like you are: an audiophile..
Thanks!
I used to ride a bicycle in the inner city of Amsterdam. An AI system would have been incapable to predict how we rode bicycles there, as we often came from the wrong directions. Also the roads are so narrow in many areas that this technology would require decades of additional development to work there.
America is huge so roads can vary but they tend to be bad in places where they have hot summers and cold winters which cracks the surface.
We also have a lot of stop sigs because roundabouts are too much to handle for the average American. They also ruin our fuel efficiency.
@@ChristianWagner888 Exactly. And, believe it or not, it got worse. Well, worse for the car, not the bicycle. Which I do agree with, regarding air pollution, climate change, but also simply getting as many people as possible through one stretch of road..
@@EdgeRatedR007 Well, the Netherlands is pretty small, but road surface THIS bad is probably only found in back alleys.. Not main roads. Still, that also costs way more, so choices isn’t it..
The "fringe cases" that worry me the most are the instances where it stops where it doesn't need to - those rear bumper replacements get expensive.
love seeing my city in a video like this! a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I got one of those Insta360 and probably one of my best purchases of last year. High level tech that leaves gopro as an underdog. Awesome 360 shots with the invisible pole, saw your tweet last night and I knew it was this cam
When an influencer like this buys two more before he's even done the sponsor spot, you know you've got a solid product. With GoPro being so... Junk, it's good to see competitors
This matches my experience. Driving with FSD in its current state on the highway is OK, assuming you like random back and forth lane changes, changes into upcoming passing vehicles, sudden unwarranted braking, and surprise jerks into exit lanes. My car occassionally goes into a permanent warning mode, with the flashing blue screen, alert tones, and even putting the hazards on even though I have full control of the car. Really fun when I'm talking to someone on the phone via bluetooth. But FSD on city/local streets is downright unusable. It brakes when unnecessary, accelerates like a scalded cat for no reason (and ignores the 'Chill' setting), and makes haphazard turns. It makes you nauseous within 5 minutes of use, eliminating any interest in continued use. I'd go so far to say it's downright dangerous. There is NO WAY this thing is near completion, let alone a foundation for robotaxis. I paid 6k for it 2.5 years ago with the expectation of FSD... I'd be really bent if I paid 12k. Tesla owes that money back to those who paid for this I think - not because of the value, but because of the promise. At this rate (with the re-writes and beta updates making little meaningful progress), we will not see actual FSD for perhaps a full decade IMO.
Is you car drunk or just driving like one? This junk has no place on the road.
I have to say, it’s pretty crazy how far we’ve come. But I do agree that for the price you’re not truly getting self driving and it’s not worth it, but this is pretty much how every new technology is, way too expensive in the beginning until it’s mastered and the price drops a ton. Prime example, TVs, when I was younger you were paying 3-4k for a TV, now you can get a decent tv for under a grand
That GoPro looks awesome.
Great review
Drinking game: Take a sip when the Tesla makes a mistake or Quinn tells you something about the Insta 360. You'll be drunk in no time and probably driving better than the Tesla. 😂😂
Bwahaha!
That camera is actually pretty amazing. Was about to sell my GoPro and going to get this insta360 instead
Honestly, i know its an ad, but i phucking love the Insta 360 cameras
Great video. Which version of autopilot was this?
This video actually made me super pessimistic for the future of true self driving cars, cars that you genuinely never have to pay attention to while you’re being driven. It seems like they’ll be capable of basic manoeuvres and road behaviours, but it’s all the little unique scenarios that might exist on only one road or at only one time that make me nervous. I just genuinely don’t understand how you could ever have enough trust in it to be able to commit our society to autonomous transportation.
The ideal scenario would be ALL cars self driving. If all cars became self driving then "driver" behavior would become predictable. 'course thats a far flung future which we may never even make it too since we can't stop destroying the environment as fast as possible. Assisted driving is more realistic for our lifetime.
If you want to feel a little bit more optimistic, go watch some waymo videos. Theyre actually working on real autonomous driving people in Chandler Arizona and San francisco can use right now
Level 5 automated driving will likely not happen in our lifetimes.
This looks legitimately scary and I would NOT want to be in a vehicle with this system.
I feel this ca r was designed for sunny places like California because on more rural roads there are stop signs without the yellow sign that say “cross traffic doesn’t stop” because it was taught at cross section you stop but if you have the right away go on. Sure in SC it’s mostly two lane highways with deer but that’s a different level of driving. In CA it’s so easy because there’s a sign for everything which is great I appreciate it because the roads are numerous, but those country roads with deer suck.
This is interesting, since I have watched many videos where FSD has performed very well. Rob Maurer of Tesla Daily comes to mind, driving in downtown Milwaukee with few interventions. It might be helpful if commenters would mention what version of FSD they are using. I believe 10.11 is the most recent?
10.10.2