So I'm a theologian/ chaplain who just graduated with a Master of Divinity degree (yay!) and I was IMMEDIATELY struck by the "And it was written, I got cursed like Eve got bitten." And I have some thoughts so bear with me: Like you guys said Eve was not bitten by the serpent in the Genesis narrative. She was coerced by the serpent to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen 3:6), which was God's one stipulation for Adam and Eve to stay in the Garden of Eden: to NOT eat from the tree. The vast majority of practicing theologians believe that the Genesis narrative is clearly not written as a historical account (in the way the western world understands history) but rather was an oral narrative passed from generation to generation and eventually written down as a way for the ancient Israelites (monotheists) to maintain their identity while living in Babylonian exile (a polytheistic empire). That being said, the Genesis narrative is about demonstrating why the world is the way it is. Why do we wear clothes and not walk around naked? Why is life on earth so hard sometimes? Why is our God different from the gods of Babylonia? etc. Taylor's entire thesis of the song The Prophecy (at least from my understanding) is basically saying maybe I'm not the problem and maybe you're not the problem, maybe it was written in the stars from the beginning that I am doomed to be alone. So in a sort of groundhogs-day-esq situation, I am doomed to repeat having my heart broken over and over again no matter how many times I try and change the prophecy. Hence why she continually asks throughout the song "change the prophecy" and "who do I have to speak to about if they can redo the prophеcy?" It's not really about being cursed. Eve was not actually cursed, she was a victim to the prophecy set in motion: that human beings will choose other things over God. Our poor misogynistic interpretation of scripture has led us to believe that Eve is the bearer of all sin and shame (a perspective that has obviously been used to oppress women for centuries), but Adam also meets Eve with the serpent and also eats from the fruit as well. He is equally tempted. Anyway, that being said, what I believe Taylor is masterfully saying is that throughout the centuries people have assumed that Eve had this venomous curse running through her, passed from woman and woman, because of her entanglement with the serpent due to a decision she made. Curses don't just happen, you have to do something to set them in motion. But, the curse of the Garden of Eden is placed onto Eve who, while yes making the decision to eat the fruit, is really just a victim of the prophecy that, giving humanity a choice (something that is portrayed as a loving act on Gods part) to either chose to stay in the garden or be tempted with more, humanity will struggle with always wanting something other than God. That being said the curse is not really a curse, just as Eve was not actually bitten. There is a larger divine prophecy at play that can never be unwritten, she is just doomed to repeat it over and over and over again. Taylor also plays with this idea of divine femininity in the song "Peter". "My ribs get a feeling she did" when referring to the "goddess of timing" is a reference to a Biblical way of understanding feminine intuition not coming from our gut, but rather from our ribs as woman was born as the final climatic act of creation, in the second creation narrative, through God plucking one of Adams ribs. I apologize for this long explanation but I found this line so incredibly compelling and interesting. As someone who studies religion and works in religious spaces I have adored Taylor's use of religious metaphors on this album. She has done her homework and it is absolutely brilliant!
I feel like but daddy I love him is like love story’s big sister. Almost the same character writing it but years later looking back. I feel like a mashup would be amazing
Thank you for pointing out that this album is about TAYLOR and as fun as it can be to speculate, we only really can know so much, so... can we PLEASE just enjoy a good song (or all of the great ones we got on TTPD) without having to assign a song to any particular guy at all times? "I hate it here" is definitely one of my faves!! I have really been trying to interpret this song from an objective point of view, looking for the bigger message, or how it connects to other concepts already touched upon on other songs in the album. I am probably tripping a bit, but here's what I came up with so far. When listening to this album, I keep thinking of the idea of romanticism (being a poet) vs the reality (a department) of how things actually play out in real life. The 2nd song (TTPD) is the perfect example of how in choosing to live/love a "tortured poet," while fully aware of that they are really "modern idiots", the story is told in the most romantic (who is going to hold you like me?) in conjunction to some of the least romantic/ most matter of fact lyrics, almost in a way to emphasize the contrast between the two. So I have been trying to look at "I hate it here" from this same perspective: the "romantic" in conflict with the "realist" in the narrator. She starts by pleading with a regular/modern person (finance guy) to tell her something as if he was a poet (romanticism), so she can relate to something/someone on her "here" (reality). He is not a poet (or maybe he is only the best she can hope for) so he can only be a "consolation prize." She furthers elaborate that she was once "a debutant" (again the idea of romanticism, being the heroine of the story, etc.), but now is like she either knows better (has grown up? unlike "Peter"?) or has to accept her real life, thus being "afraid to go outside." However, as matured or realist as she can make herself to be (comfort is a construct), deep down she knows she needs romanticism. So she escapes reality by going inside her mind (a very romantic idea). The "lunar valleys" and "secret gardens" only she has access to. The romantic is inside herself, not necessarily on her romantic relationships. She furthers plays with romanticism vs realism using the concept of nostalgia by pointing out how we all have a tendency to romanticize the past. She says she would like to go back to the 1830's, but she knows that realistically, the past was never really any better. No matter the decade, the "here" (reality) sucks (and she hates it). She admits that she feels worthless and in order to survive living in her reality, she pretends ("i swear I'm fine"). She escapes reality through the worlds (secret gardens) she creates in her mind. Only in her mind she can find the romanticism she longs for in real life ( "I save all of my romanticism for my inner life"), because the realist in her knows that she can no longer be truly a romantic in her reality (real life experiences) anymore. Thanks for the video!
I’m agnostic about whether she wrote about him on 1989 but there is apparently an interview where he said in 2013 she invited the 1975 to open for her red tour and they had to decline. So they may have been in communication much earlier than they were first publicly seen interacting with one another
I feel like it’s Reputation that’ll have the most Matty stuff (locked away inside the vault) For now, I think the only song that’s potentially Matty-coded is Dancing With Our Hands Tied
@@afroallura3791 she did say she’s swirled him into all her poems but I hate the people who are now suggesting she never loved joe. That’s kinda of a joke, she did it just faded
I love watching you guys so much! So glad I found you!!! Thank you for talking about the feelings this album brings up for everyone. I’m a happily married mom of 3 little Swifties, and I had to hide from them while I cried over MANY of these songs and thought about situationships from long before that was even a word 😳 The feels are so real!!!
hahaha I saw a clip of Taylor Tomlinson talking about TTPD and it was hilarious, and she ended it with "hope everybody's ok, dont text your ex today" you should give it a peek it's good for a chuckle! (it's here on TH-cam) You girls made me think of that today! Great episode today, have an amazing trip!
I know you guys are super excited to find out what are the changes for the eras tour and if Taylor is gonna add TTPD set but what if you don't watch the livestreams or any social medias and have be a surprise reaction to it LIVE??
8:47 i think that would totally break the flow that they have learned in the past year and would require a lot of adjustments if they sprinkle it in. It's definitely fun seeing everyone being so exited for Paris like it is the first concert of the tour with the addition of TTPD
this is about Taylor but not TTPD. I just finished the youtube of Ralph Lauren Holiday Collection and damn Taylor needs to be in RL. Think about it Americas premiere luxury designer and Taylor very Miss Ameircana.
54:19 yep. This is also why Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me hits us so hard. She is relatable to A LOT of people and so much of her experience is universal, but By Taylor’s own admission, no one’s prouder to be a millennial than she is. She really is embodying so much of the millennial female experience and because of the nature of her writing, it feels like she’s exposed our personal diaries because we’ve lived so many of her eras together in the same culture.
Some people just needs to calm down. At the end of the day Taylor’s new album is not about any guy. She is not talking about a specific guy. This album is about the feelings Taylor felt when she was with certain persons. It’s closure for her, this album is not for everyone, is for her and her longtime loyal fans. Just saying 💁🏻♀️
Taylor LITERALLY gave us TWO Travis love songs, The Alchemy and So High School. Taylor was NOT-SO-SUBTLE about who The Alchemy and So High School are about.
I love i hate it hear not from a location POV but i have a chronic illness and some times you just wish you could be anyone else any where else. Its a good reminder to also try to make the best of what you've got even if its just escaping to luna valleys
47:04 I strongly urge everyone reading this to look up the fig tree metaphor from Sylvia Plath’s “The Bell Jar”, this whole album is inspired by Sylvia and her life
I hate it here reminds of the" I'm fat as a teen vs. how we feel as an adult. We all look back and say I wish I was now what I thought was fat then."" 47:39
If she incorporates any of TTPD without DELETING any of the Eras songs, she could probably only include a couple. I’d like to see Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me? and I Can Do It with a Broken Heart.
Unfortunately Travis is still with Pia...well at least her company. She co-owns the firm with a guy so I think he took over Travis' stuff for a while but she reposts all his professional stuff on her ig
I feel like Taylor is bigger than the met gala posing for posings sake. Meaning she outshines them all. And maybe even more important, she rocks any red carpet but only for her events ( the ones that are her focus- Grammys. Etc ). I feel like a red carpet just for its own sake like the Met gala is beneath her. Or really fashion is not her focus. Music and storytelling is her main focus. So I bet she won’t go 🫶
Random thought...Taylor's watching this and her next breakup song mentions Jim Bob Smimbob. lol Wouldn't that be a freaking HOOT! It could happen. She's sly like that with the winks to us.
My worry after hearing this album for the first time is that she cared so deeply for several of her past boyfriends that she is going to hurt Travis. Those of us in Chiefs Kingdom are going to rage for letting our guard down to watch one of our own hurt.
or just one of them - it just feels like she has always loved Matty and if that's true, how can she also very quickly love someone else? So, yeah ... I don't think this can last
Interesting! Perhaps she knows her deep love for Matty can't lead to a stable, lifelong relationship in which to raise a family. He obviously has his challenges, as do I. Clearly he's a good looking, artistic and intelligent guy. I do not see her going back to Matty. I'm not sure about Travis. I think they have what they need for a happy, long-term relationship. I'm rooting for them. Just not 100% sure yet. @@yorkshiregirl992
@Daisy-le9tr I have been a fan for most of her career because my girls were born in 1989 and 1992 so as a dad it was my job to get them tickets and listen to the music. I understand that men she dated treated her badly and I am not defending them. You on the other hand seem to need help because how you took all that word vomit out of my post is crazy. My only thought was that she really was in love and I hope she really wants this because it would be painful because Travis has been crazy about her. If your such a Swiftie you’ll remember when it was rumored she was seeing him a lot of her fans said he wasn’t good enough and talking shit about him. You know now that I reread your post you strike me as one of the people Taylor was talking about in but Daddy I love him as that judgmental creeps who claim they want what’s best for her.
So I'm a theologian/ chaplain who just graduated with a Master of Divinity degree (yay!) and I was IMMEDIATELY struck by the "And it was written, I got cursed like Eve got bitten." And I have some thoughts so bear with me:
Like you guys said Eve was not bitten by the serpent in the Genesis narrative. She was coerced by the serpent to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen 3:6), which was God's one stipulation for Adam and Eve to stay in the Garden of Eden: to NOT eat from the tree. The vast majority of practicing theologians believe that the Genesis narrative is clearly not written as a historical account (in the way the western world understands history) but rather was an oral narrative passed from generation to generation and eventually written down as a way for the ancient Israelites (monotheists) to maintain their identity while living in Babylonian exile (a polytheistic empire). That being said, the Genesis narrative is about demonstrating why the world is the way it is. Why do we wear clothes and not walk around naked? Why is life on earth so hard sometimes? Why is our God different from the gods of Babylonia? etc.
Taylor's entire thesis of the song The Prophecy (at least from my understanding) is basically saying maybe I'm not the problem and maybe you're not the problem, maybe it was written in the stars from the beginning that I am doomed to be alone. So in a sort of groundhogs-day-esq situation, I am doomed to repeat having my heart broken over and over again no matter how many times I try and change the prophecy. Hence why she continually asks throughout the song "change the prophecy" and "who do I have to speak to about if they can redo the prophеcy?"
It's not really about being cursed. Eve was not actually cursed, she was a victim to the prophecy set in motion: that human beings will choose other things over God. Our poor misogynistic interpretation of scripture has led us to believe that Eve is the bearer of all sin and shame (a perspective that has obviously been used to oppress women for centuries), but Adam also meets Eve with the serpent and also eats from the fruit as well. He is equally tempted.
Anyway, that being said, what I believe Taylor is masterfully saying is that throughout the centuries people have assumed that Eve had this venomous curse running through her, passed from woman and woman, because of her entanglement with the serpent due to a decision she made. Curses don't just happen, you have to do something to set them in motion. But, the curse of the Garden of Eden is placed onto Eve who, while yes making the decision to eat the fruit, is really just a victim of the prophecy that, giving humanity a choice (something that is portrayed as a loving act on Gods part) to either chose to stay in the garden or be tempted with more, humanity will struggle with always wanting something other than God.
That being said the curse is not really a curse, just as Eve was not actually bitten. There is a larger divine prophecy at play that can never be unwritten, she is just doomed to repeat it over and over and over again. Taylor also plays with this idea of divine femininity in the song "Peter". "My ribs get a feeling she did" when referring to the "goddess of timing" is a reference to a Biblical way of understanding feminine intuition not coming from our gut, but rather from our ribs as woman was born as the final climatic act of creation, in the second creation narrative, through God plucking one of Adams ribs.
I apologize for this long explanation but I found this line so incredibly compelling and interesting. As someone who studies religion and works in religious spaces I have adored Taylor's use of religious metaphors on this album. She has done her homework and it is absolutely brilliant!
This is brilliant.
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WOWWWWWWW. Thank you so much for this.
I feel like but daddy I love him is like love story’s big sister. Almost the same character writing it but years later looking back. I feel like a mashup would be amazing
Thank you for pointing out that this album is about TAYLOR and as fun as it can be to speculate, we only really can know so much, so... can we PLEASE just enjoy a good song (or all of the great ones we got on TTPD) without having to assign a song to any particular guy at all times? "I hate it here" is definitely one of my faves!! I have really been trying to interpret this song from an objective point of view, looking for the bigger message, or how it connects to other concepts already touched upon on other songs in the album. I am probably tripping a bit, but here's what I came up with so far.
When listening to this album, I keep thinking of the idea of romanticism (being a poet) vs the reality (a department) of how things actually play out in real life. The 2nd song (TTPD) is the perfect example of how in choosing to live/love a "tortured poet," while fully aware of that they are really "modern idiots", the story is told in the most romantic (who is going to hold you like me?) in conjunction to some of the least romantic/ most matter of fact lyrics, almost in a way to emphasize the contrast between the two.
So I have been trying to look at "I hate it here" from this same perspective: the "romantic" in conflict with the "realist" in the narrator. She starts by pleading with a regular/modern person (finance guy) to tell her something as if he was a poet (romanticism), so she can relate to something/someone on her "here" (reality). He is not a poet (or maybe he is only the best she can hope for) so he can only be a "consolation prize." She furthers elaborate that she was once "a debutant" (again the idea of romanticism, being the heroine of the story, etc.), but now is like she either knows better (has grown up? unlike "Peter"?) or has to accept her real life, thus being "afraid to go outside." However, as matured or realist as she can make herself to be (comfort is a construct), deep down she knows she needs romanticism. So she escapes reality by going inside her mind (a very romantic idea). The "lunar valleys" and "secret gardens" only she has access to. The romantic is inside herself, not necessarily on her romantic relationships. She furthers plays with romanticism vs realism using the concept of nostalgia by pointing out how we all have a tendency to romanticize the past. She says she would like to go back to the 1830's, but she knows that realistically, the past was never really any better. No matter the decade, the "here" (reality) sucks (and she hates it). She admits that she feels worthless and in order to survive living in her reality, she pretends ("i swear I'm fine"). She escapes reality through the worlds (secret gardens) she creates in her mind. Only in her mind she can find the romanticism she longs for in real life ( "I save all of my romanticism for my inner life"), because the realist in her knows that she can no longer be truly a romantic in her reality (real life experiences) anymore.
Thanks for the video!
"I Hate It Here" is my favorite on TTPD. I don't like sad songs, yet this music gets better every time I listen.
Swifties who like the 1975 want 1989 to be about Matty, but Taylor didn’t meet Matty until 1 month after she released 1989
I’m agnostic about whether she wrote about him on 1989 but there is apparently an interview where he said in 2013 she invited the 1975 to open for her red tour and they had to decline. So they may have been in communication much earlier than they were first publicly seen interacting with one another
I feel like it’s Reputation that’ll have the most Matty stuff (locked away inside the vault)
For now, I think the only song that’s potentially Matty-coded is Dancing With Our Hands Tied
I'm a swiftie who loves the 1975 but the timelines are clearly not timelining on that one haha
@@afroallura3791 she did say she’s swirled him into all her poems but I hate the people who are now suggesting she never loved joe. That’s kinda of a joke, she did it just faded
@@maciedixon3983 I agree, there was overlap but Taylor and Joe were clearly in love for a while, and Joe is the main muse for Rep and Lover.
I love watching you guys so much! So glad I found you!!! Thank you for talking about the feelings this album brings up for everyone. I’m a happily married mom of 3 little Swifties, and I had to hide from them while I cried over MANY of these songs and thought about situationships from long before that was even a word 😳 The feels are so real!!!
hahaha I saw a clip of Taylor Tomlinson talking about TTPD and it was hilarious, and she ended it with "hope everybody's ok, dont text your ex today" you should give it a peek it's good for a chuckle! (it's here on TH-cam) You girls made me think of that today! Great episode today, have an amazing trip!
are you guys going to vlog the full adventure?? would love to watch! (live vicariously through your swiftie adventure lol)
Congratulations on 10K subscribers!
I know you guys are super excited to find out what are the changes for the eras tour and if Taylor is gonna add TTPD set but what if you don't watch the livestreams or any social medias and have be a surprise reaction to it LIVE??
8:47 i think that would totally break the flow that they have learned in the past year and would require a lot of adjustments if they sprinkle it in. It's definitely fun seeing everyone being so exited for Paris like it is the first concert of the tour with the addition of TTPD
this is about Taylor but not TTPD. I just finished the youtube of Ralph Lauren Holiday Collection and damn Taylor needs to be in RL. Think about it Americas premiere luxury designer and Taylor very Miss Ameircana.
I can fix him "no really I can " is one of my favorite
me tooooo i’m addicted to it
‘Lasagna Del Rey’ is an amazing username 😂
54:19 yep. This is also why Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me hits us so hard. She is relatable to A LOT of people and so much of her experience is universal, but By Taylor’s own admission, no one’s prouder to be a millennial than she is. She really is embodying so much of the millennial female experience and because of the nature of her writing, it feels like she’s exposed our personal diaries because we’ve lived so many of her eras together in the same culture.
I cannot wait for yall to go to Paris N1! The recap is going to be insane!
Happy for you girls, have a great time in Paris
Some people just needs to calm down. At the end of the day Taylor’s new album is not about any guy. She is not talking about a specific guy. This album is about the feelings Taylor felt when she was with certain persons. It’s closure for her, this album is not for everyone, is for her and her longtime loyal fans. Just saying 💁🏻♀️
Taylor LITERALLY gave us TWO Travis love songs, The Alchemy and So High School. Taylor was NOT-SO-SUBTLE about who The Alchemy and So High School are about.
I think “Who’s afraid of little old me” would be great and very intense performed live!!😍
I love i hate it hear not from a location POV but i have a chronic illness and some times you just wish you could be anyone else any where else. Its a good reminder to also try to make the best of what you've got even if its just escaping to luna valleys
"I don't want money please change the prophecy" (is that the lyric?)
My top 5 to see live
I can do it with a broken heart
Down bad
Daddy I love him
Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus
How did it end?
I’d love to hear people’s responses to what song they were “meh” about on first listen but that became a favorite with later listens
The double leg cross from Gia is WILD
47:04 I strongly urge everyone reading this to look up the fig tree metaphor from Sylvia Plath’s “The Bell Jar”, this whole album is inspired by Sylvia and her life
lol I was never a mean girl to other girls but excellent point about millennial women. The programming of the patriarchy was strong. 52:49
I hate it here reminds of the" I'm fat as a teen vs. how we feel as an adult. We all look back and say I wish I was now what I thought was fat then."" 47:39
If she incorporates any of TTPD without DELETING any of the Eras songs, she could probably only include a couple. I’d like to see Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me? and I Can Do It with a Broken Heart.
well rumor is taylor and travis will go to the derby on saturday and then go to miami on sunday
Unfortunately Travis is still with Pia...well at least her company. She co-owns the firm with a guy so I think he took over Travis' stuff for a while but she reposts all his professional stuff on her ig
Espresso sounds like a happy song made for chronically depressed people, reminds me of the guilded age but this time people are pretending to be happy
I LOVE thanK you AImee!!
I feel like Taylor is bigger than the met gala posing for posings sake. Meaning she outshines them all. And maybe even more important, she rocks any red carpet but only for her events ( the ones that are her focus- Grammys. Etc ). I feel like a red carpet just for its own sake like the Met gala is beneath her. Or really fashion is not her focus. Music and storytelling is her main focus. So I bet she won’t go 🫶
I thought it ment ditch her exs and get her crown aka kelsey
Random thought...Taylor's watching this and her next breakup song mentions Jim Bob Smimbob. lol Wouldn't that be a freaking HOOT! It could happen. She's sly like that with the winks to us.
Espresso has my Spotify autoplay in a chokehold 😂 I’m working laaate, cuz I’m a singerrrr
Me too! As soon as TTPD finishes Espresso starts. I kinda love it.
there are rumors that they're going to the Derby too so maybe they're all going to both lol
So, Gia has never skipped leg day confirmed.
yes, but it is weird that right when you finish listening to TTPD expresso comes on
Lol. I thought it was just me.
Sabrina's team paid for crazy autoplay
My worry after hearing this album for the first time is that she cared so deeply for several of her past boyfriends that she is going to hurt Travis. Those of us in Chiefs Kingdom are going to rage for letting our guard down to watch one of our own hurt.
or just one of them - it just feels like she has always loved Matty and if that's true, how can she also very quickly love someone else? So, yeah ... I don't think this can last
Interesting! Perhaps she knows her deep love for Matty can't lead to a stable, lifelong relationship in which to raise a family. He obviously has his challenges, as do I. Clearly he's a good looking, artistic and intelligent guy. I do not see her going back to Matty.
I'm not sure about Travis. I think they have what they need for a happy, long-term relationship. I'm rooting for them. Just not 100% sure yet.
@@yorkshiregirl992
@Daisy-le9tr I have been a fan for most of her career because my girls were born in 1989 and 1992 so as a dad it was my job to get them tickets and listen to the music. I understand that men she dated treated her badly and I am not defending them. You on the other hand seem to need help because how you took all that word vomit out of my post is crazy. My only thought was that she really was in love and I hope she really wants this because it would be painful because Travis has been crazy about her. If your such a Swiftie you’ll remember when it was rumored she was seeing him a lot of her fans said he wasn’t good enough and talking shit about him. You know now that I reread your post you strike me as one of the people Taylor was talking about in but Daddy I love him as that judgmental creeps who claim they want what’s best for her.
Now im a big Swiftie. I love Taylor down, but if we're talking about girl power/feminism, it more pertains to white feminism.