Germany Has Solved the Empty Skyscraper Problem
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We hope you find this upLIFTing!! (that joke courtesy of Your DAD)
fix subtitles, seems to just be your script
Should have called it Schindler's Lift.
you found my dad?
That's racist
I don't have a Dad though.
With all due respect, having worked on a large conversion, the elevators is the least of the problems. The real challenges are rezoning, different safety requirements, all new plumbing, electrical, ventilation, fire systems, loads, parkings….
Thanks for this comment. I was surprised when elevators were the subject of a video about the secret to skyscraper conversion.
I was thinking the same thing, in fact in the building they are talking about, you can see that the residential floors has a completely different design to the rest of the building. How is that an example of the conversion from offices to residential?
I would imagine the utilities (supply and drain plumbing in particular) need to go in a lifted floor or a lowered ceiling? The offices depicted have plenty of headroom to accommodate that I suppose.
@@TrogdorBurnin8or yes, for a conversion you need to have all the new plumbing redirected in the dripped ceilings. The issue is how to deal with the noise of such plumbing, and also how to deal with the space taken by the ventilation. The requirements of water, ac and electricity are completely different. As well as noise control. Unless you have already designed the building to be sectioned in residential units from ten beginning, it might actually be cheaper to demolish everything and rebuild from scratch. And by doing that you know pretty much well in advance how much you are spending, when instead you do a renovation/conversion of an exsisting office building into residential everything is a surprise. And the cost cannot be budgeted.
I was wondering. It must be a nightmare to convert offices to apts and probably cost prohibitive. There was a beautiful conversion in my neighborhood recently of a midrise, but it was stripped down to the elevator core, support beams, and floorplates before being completely rebuilt
Maybe it's the lack of sleep, but what is this huge change they made? Added a rear door?
Same here. I really don’t see any innovations in this project.
Yes it seems 2 sided lifts are a revelation!
Thanks, I watched the whole thing and I didn't get it.
Looks like just a software update.
They overcame regulations between commercial and residential elevators, and made them the same. So they use less elevators and smaller elevators.
my thought, I donj't see the revolution.
as others have pointed out, there are a lot of issues with converting commercial space to residential space, it looks like this innovation addresses one of those issues. as I understand it, the reason tall, multi-use buildings require separate elevator systems is because of the varying levels of security/access required by commercial, residential and hospitality tenants. it looks like this system is really a "smart" access system that uses the same elevators to let people go where they need to go and restrict them from places they shouldn't go...a little more exposition on how the system does this would have been interesting
if you know anything about elevators, you know that relying on them for safety and access control is a very very bad idea.
The issue here is that a smart access system only works if there is a single person using the elevator. As soon as you have multiple people with different access codes using the elevator at the same time everyone will have the ability to go anywhere.
@klyis -- there are a few ways to solve this. One is, just have additional badge access after you exit the elevator. Another is to disallow mixed security passengers on the same trip. I suspect some combination of both is the way to go.
I have lived in I mixed, commercial and residential building for more than 30 years in the middle of the city, and we have had the same security/access system since day one. It's nothing different or innovative.
@@szurketaltos2693 any elevator-based security is inherently flawed
So an elevator with two sets of doors... I've NEVER seen that before! Such a revolutionary idea 🤣
It's even a trope in the movies: Actors in an elevator. Door opens behind our characters who are surprised and turn around comically to exit...
Some hospitals have that feature.
This channel is just advertorials.
So.. you're saying you don't like Schindler's lift?
Yeah watched this three times to see what the big deal was.
They seem unduly proud to have used elevators with doors on both sides to service two different lobbies.
Isn't that like Apple approach of introducing already existing thing as revolutionary by just naming it differently and presenting it in such a way, you would think "Wow, I never knew how good that is".
As a german this gives me the feeling, that this story is really true. Discovering something thats allready in use in a lot of countrys, maybe since decades, and selling it as the new hot shi** is so common for this country. We are a so far behind, it can damage your brain.
@@virgiauskashumans can actually be that fickle LMAO
exactly what I was thinking, I clicked to see a video where the wheel is possibly reinvented, and I ended up watching a video of kindergarteners learning the alphabet. 😂 😂
It's not even a new concept. Elevators with dual openings have been around a long time.
Totally unclear how this elevator is new or different. How does an extra door translate to less lifts.
The way they separated the office lobby from the living lobby is smart but I don't really see why that's strictly necessary. It's still the same property managemer, right?
Because it didn't, elevators with dual openings are common, I don't understand why they had to make a video about it and try to make it look as if this was a revolutionary element in a dual-purpose building.
I think the idea is that if you enter from one side, ie the residential side, you know you won't have to make stops on the office floors and vice versa. Instead of the separate elevator concept of traditional mixed use building.
That's because it is so simple it's stupid. If you open the door to the elevator from the residential lobby and go inside, the elevator will only go to the residential floors. If you open the ground floor door from the commercial lobby the elevator will only go to the commercial floors.
Coming down it's the same concept, you get in on a residential floor, when you get to the ground, it only opens the door to the residential lobby. And visa versa for commercial space.
So one set of elevators behave as if they were two sets. You go up and down and the elevator opens the right door for you, as opposed to traditional two door elevators where you could chose to open either door and go to any floor, or at least stick in a special access card to identify where you can go.
@@jerryklosek5589 So this essentially blocks off an elevator from others to use if someone from one lobby enters it? Which could lead to a longer waiting time - and less efficiency?
In other videos on converting office space to apartments the biggest challenge was bathrooms. Offices have one centrally located large bathroom with multiple stalls not at all what an apartment needs
Why not then you get to hear your neighbors fart in the stall next to you.......
This video is just a badly disguised advertisement for an elevator manufacturer. They haven’t really come up with anything groundbreaking, and it’s not even the biggest issue to be solved in mixed used skyscrapers.
@@miroslavmilan It's actually a non-issue. Why would I care if there are office workers that enter the building through the same lobby and use the same elevators? As a resident I'd know that I'm in a multi-purpose building, and what to expect from that. The only real issue is unauthorized access, but that can be minimized by access-controlled doors at the residential floors.
@@Volkbrechtit's the other way around. Visited a friend in an apartment. It's shared. I was blocked from the bank and companies using the building. In office buildings that allow people off the street to just enter, you usually have to pass a security desk at the bottom, then each floor has a lobby. If you get off at the wrong floor you usually get flagged by security. Lots of the floors will be totally closed to the public so stepping off in them without a bade causes a security response. Sure you could just open the whole building up totally to the public, but then no companies will rent there.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
This is the weirdest B1M video I’ve ever seen. Like, I appreciate that Schindler has experience with mixed-use high rises, and that it’s going to be important as office demand decreases in central business districts, but I didn’t take away any insight into what this approach to elevators actually means in practice other than having two doors, something all of the high rises I’ve lived in already had.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
Schindler is Not even a German company as the impression this report gives .. it's a Swiss company
I would have thought the biggest challenge skyscrapers face when turning them into residential would be the lack of sunlight by the cores and therefor apartments would almost have to be entirely open plan with the kitchen and toilets close to the core and then just one huge open space for the rest of the flat?
That’s true in some buildings. Also utilities and insulation for office buildings is different than residential buildings
That's the primary problem in NYC, where there are laws mandating the presence of windows in all rooms. Most office buildings have windowless rooms in their cores. As pressure to convert buildings increases - the real estate industry is nearly omnipotent - I expect that these laws will be modified.
Is this really still an issue with modern lighting technology? The rules about natural light were written in a different era.
@@simontistNatural light is the benchmark, but a view of the outside is the real driver. Otherwise they could have piped in natural light using shafts, without modern tech.
Have the bedrooms and bathrooms near the core leaving the windows for the living space.
I hope Schindler wasn't given a patient for an elevator with two doors. This seemed more like an advertisement than your normal video, then I saw the sponsor. Your past programs have been so good.
Their videos have developed more of a gigantic advertisement unfortunately
Well, it's a nice building, if i where that company i pay advertisment too.
The Big issue with shared elevator is your boss seeing you in pijamas going out while you called saying youre sick today.
Total lack of a deep dive into anything. A total embarrassment of a @B1M video. I suppose it was funny, because the concept was laughable.
@@dominicrobertson7626The worst part is Schindler is a Swiss company and Not German even 🤐
shut up nerd
Interesting. When you mentioned 'the biggest problem with converting offices to residential' my first thought wasn't elevators. It was plumbing.
Most people renting a high-rise apartment probably aren't going to be happy with a shared bathroom at the end of the hall. They probably also want at least a minimalist kitchen with a sink containing a garbage disposal. This is A LOT of plumbing, and it is now distributed all over the floor. How is this going to be handled? You are likely to have to increase the size of the water supply, the size of central water heating (perhaps per floor), and greatly increase the number of and capacity of sanitary drains to deal with the multitudes of showers, toilets, and kitchen sinks.
I think an article on how this can be done would be interesting and useful.
As others have pointed out, sunlight would also be a huge issue, as offices have large amounts of windowless space while there are building codes that require a window in every room in housing.
or you could just say the biggest problem of turning offices to residential flats is the cost of turning them into residential flats. this whole elevator topic was a clickbait
Or balconies, gardens or parks and supermarkets, places of worship, childcare and other family amenities, children playground, schools and nature etc. Not everyone wants to live in the city centre of skyscrapers. It is more soulless, cold, corporate, transient and stressful. Maybe single people or childless couples who work most of the time and have no life. Families actually prefer suburbs, leafy green spaces to relax in, individual houses and gardens. It is a more cosy and family oriented place.
It can be done with modern vacuum sanitary plumbing originally developed for cruise ships but now commonly used on land in prisons, hospitals, stadiums, and high rise buildings. Plumbing can be in the ceiling and toilet fittings use a fraction of the amount of water that standard fittings do. They can also be moved about easily if needed.
So I'm confused, the reason you can't take a normal building with normal elevators and turn it into a residential tower is because people would "feel like they're in an office" - whatever that means... ?
this video is extremely dissappointing
There are different codes and requirements for residential and commercial construction projects because both spaces are used in vastly different ways by vastly different people.
Kitchens need exhaust, bathrooms need separate exhaust, plumbing vent and drain, lots of them. windows for each room. The overall footprint is more suited for large openness so light can get to each desk. Residential is small rooms unless it’s a youth hostel or military dormitory. Some buildings could work others too awkward.
"Catch a train" - God I wish. More like sit in traffic for an hour and a bit for what is meant to be a 35 minute journey.
Where do you live?
This is what it's like in Melbourne Australia
@@TheB1M Cambridge UK, we do not have good transportation between the some of the surrounding towns and the main city for employment. We do have a train line in Cambridge, but it doesn't serve places which are affordable to live. Places like Landbeach/ Waterbeach which are on the train line become to expensive to live. London and Cambridge have the same house/rent pricing issue. Love the videos, by the way.
@@catfactsukhowdy from Fort Worth Texas, I’m fortunate enough to commute by train, but we need a lot more of them in the states
@@catfactsukimagine crying about public transport in the UK there is a lot of trains and country ain't that big so complaining about driving shouldn't be a thing
I don't know if this is another clumsy brand deal or content is getting thin right now, but I think we're all aware why elevators are not the limiting factor in converting an office to an apartment or vice versa. The spaces are just way too dissimilar, save for creating giant ultra luxury millionaire apartments that we do NOT need more of.
In New York there are additional challenges in converting office buildings to residential, because of the differences in building codes. The residential codes require a window in every room, while office workers were never afforded that. Many modern office buildings have huge floors, that used to be filled with little cubes. That doesn't work as bedrooms.
In Germany natural light is required for workplaces, so the us-typical cubicle system would not be legal. But other than that I agree. You would need permits and put up (or tear down) walls and reroute plumbing, depending on the exact floor plans.
So just that I get this correctly: The actual issue here is that you want seperate lobbies for some reason, right? Because if you had a mixed lobby, there would be no issue with the elevator.
In the video it is presented like an obvious fact, that work and residential people have to be completely separated but to me that really isn't obvious. Maybe I am missing something here. I think as a visitor I would find it quite confusing, if I had to use different entries for different floors. Also, do Visitors also need to install an App to use an Elevator of a Building they are just visiting?
Our old office was in the same building as flats. Every time someone burned toast the entire building had to evacuate and it happened 6 or 7 times a month
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I have a friend of mine who used to be a property developer (now retired). I asked him about commercial real estate investment over 15 years ago and he said "I never invest in commercial real estate, only residential" I asked him why? He promptly said "because people will always need a place to live". Those words are even truer today.
that's nonsense pretty much. It's like telling you the lottery numbers from last week. it's all cycles. Commercial real estate was making good money, people built a lot of it, so the market offer increased, demand naturally and by chance (pandemic) decreased. Living spaces was making okay money, it wasnt built as much. Inflation was low, interest was low, also if you went in debt, so more and more people were able to finance their own home. Which increased both sales prices and rent prices, first one because demand increased and the second because sales price informs the rent, as every investor has a ROI he wants. Additionally, many people moved to the jobs which are mostly in already dense regions obviously. Immigration mostly from south to north (globally) put more pressure on the market. Now more and more living space is being built, interest is high again and prices for buying and renting real estate are already stagnating and partially decreasing. Not only did businesses move out of cities, so did people. And because of all that, a lot of people who financed real estate with only short term guaranteed interest rates at super high sales prices will be effed. Not as bad as during the last crash some 15 years ago, but still.
While going over various elevator setups is interesting, this seems like a minor/tertiary issue when you are supposedly asserting to have 'solved the empty skyscraper problem'. There are just so many more significant barriers to changing a commercial tower into a mixed use/residential tower than getting a more efficient elevator service design.
No, there are just more equally ranked problem. Lot's of details, but nothing really complicated. Modern Underfloor-shower might be the only thing, that goes into the floor itself. And that's the only thing you have to keep. Floors and outside Windows.
Sorry, but actually although potential interesting, this video did not explain anything on how this new concept works. A lot of big words with a little meaning.
I always find it odd that a company called Schindler makes lifts... "Schindler's Lifts" 🤔😂
Probably because a survivor from Schindler's list founded the company and named it after him in thanks.
I looked it up because you made me curious - this company came first. It was founded in 1874 making agricultural machinery and was making elevators/lifts by the end of that century.
It‘s a common German surname.
@@Kringeladida PS: "Shingle Maker". One of the profession-based surnames like Smith and Baker.
Not sure if you guys are aware, but the subtitles from around 7m30 suddenly go crazy and include your filming notes with ideas and questions about what should be added. They also suddenly go super fast too (guessing as it’s the captions of the video and the notes) so impossible to read. I will take this moment to thank you guys as a channel though for adding human written captions. As a deaf person, auto captions make watching and enjoying TH-cam videos really hard, so any channels that take the time to add human written ones get my extra appreciation. Just thought you may want to know what’s happening on this one, maybe an upload glitch?
Really sorry about that, thanks for flagging! We're fixing it right now 👍
Seems fixed by now :)
I also really appreciate human-made captions :) the auto-generated are ok if you can hear and self correct but human curators are much more thoughtful and include context as well sometimes which is nice
@@TheB1M no worries, still enjoyed the video, just though that to know. I’m just thankful that you do them
What the heck?! This was by far the silliest B1M video I've ever seen. Really beyond.
This solution has actually been around for a while, although this may be the first new construction to use this technique. I remember presenting smart elevators in one of my presentations back in undergrad and that was lets say a few years ago. But I know some buildings in Japan are using a similar system to some success. But here in the US, the problem is more so the plumbing issue rather than the elevators (I am not sure what they are doing about that, but the number of office tower conversions is going up, especially in NYC). Nice tech all the same although I am not sure how much I would want to rely on my cellphone for building access.
Plumbing and floor plate size. Some of the larger floor plates require some way to get more light to the core, either by adding a courtyard ($$$) or changing the rules to allow artificial lighting in bedrooms. I suspect the other utilities (including elevators) are also tricky, but probably not nearly as bad as those.
I would have thought there were more significant issues with residential/commercial flexibility being the building services requirements...
There are. Office buildings in DC are being converted to residential use, and they have to strip everything down to reconfigure the plumbing, the electrical wiring, the layout, etc.
Plumbing (drainage & water lines) would also be a huge challenge , particularly if you’re looking at an existing building. Elevators are used like a bus not a car, multiple floor stops. You are back to needing large numbers if they don’t stop on every floor?
It seems they do serve every floor, unlike the example with adding extra shafts. If no one is using the residential lobbies all of the lifts can serve the office lobbies, and vice versa.
It’s just that, on a per lift car basis, if they’re currently serving a residential floor in that moment they don’t seem to take on anyone from the office lobbies. (It’s unclear if that even includes people who live in the same building going home from work, or if an exception is made based on the destination.)
Each elevator seems to be designated to a specific use based on demand by some sort of computer system linked up to an app on your phone. Its not really explained in the video, but I saw other people saying that you walk into the building, and the app tells you which elevator to go to. If you're going to a floor of offices, then that elevator won't stop at any residential floors on its way up, even if people on the apartment floors call an elevator, and vice versa.
It's essentially just a keycard system hooked up to a computer that computes demand and assigns elevators accordingly, but uses an app on your phone to tell you which elevators to use. Since the apartments in this building divide the office spaces into 2 sections, it would be interesting if the system could further designate between the 2 sets of offices to essentially act as "express" elevators to the upper offices, but there's no mention of that in the video. I still feel like the elevators are one of the lesser issues in converting skyscrapers though.
The new Ritz Carlton tower in Mexico City works similar to this. The hotel has apartments, offices, hotels, commercial space and restaurants. The elevators have multiple doors depending on where you want to go. The car garage is also pretty impressive as it stores the vehicles via a lift system.
This makes no sense. The problem with converting offices to apartments isn’t some weird hang up about keeping the two kinds of residents from ever seeing each other, it’s the plumbing.
Fred, I read an article a couple decades ago about challenges to office building conversion. At the time the thinking was that the biggest challenge was insufficient floor height to allow for retrofitting the plumbing required for residences. Has this been solved?
The challenge is actually the other way around. Office floor-to-floor is typcially higher than residential due to taller ceilings. When building for dual purpose on day 1, the residential floors would come in more expensive as they would be built with a higher floor to floor than typically required. Advantage is to be able to run plumbing and services in the resulting ceiling void, but comes at a cost due to added structure and facade that a purely apartment or hotel building wouldn't need.
@@danjelowitsch thats true but with the rediculous mismatch of vacancy rates to need, the improved revenue from making it mixed use would almost certainly dwarf any extra cost - and in the case of all the existing commercial structures, the cost was already built in.
Plus a lot of extra uses for taller spaces in residential are possible.
Yes, the solution is vacuum plumbing which is used on ships and aircraft and in many large buildings such as hospitals stadiums and hotels. The manufacturers of these systems have websites. Another advantage is that vacuum toilets use much less water than normal fixtures.
@@adriandunne4382 Quite possibly these might work in some situations. I’ve worked on cruise ships however, and can vouch that these systems are not nearly as trouble-free as their promoters claim.
I love that they think the big reason we can't use empty offices to solve the housing crisis is that executives don't want to ride with the poors in elevators. If only it were that easy, i suspect it has much more to do with the plumbing (one bathroom per floor in an office building vs 1-2 per apartment and a kitchen too) and the large amount of windowless interior space of large-volume office buildings. If you didn't build for dual use, retrofitting is expensive and may just not work at all.
Well in UK apartment high rises they make sure 'afforrdable' 😂 apartments always have separate entrance & (and a lobby/parking if the developer was feeling generous) lift in too keep the rich hermetically sealed in their luxury and protected from being contaminated by the poor....
Did you even watch the video? The offices and apartments use the exact same elevators...
@@krashd Through 2 separate lobbies so that the 2 groups never intermix or even see each other. Their point still stands, though the less snide reasoning would be for security.
The system works by using an app on your phone to designate whether you're going to an apartment level or an office, and then grouping people up into specific elevators to isolate the 2 groups, making sure an elevator with workers won't stop at any of the apartments and vice versa.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
In most office to commercial conversions, the elevators are the least of the problem. Think about the last big office you worked in. Picture where the bathrooms were. That’s the only place on that floor with plumbing. Once you break up that floor into apartments, every one of those apartments needs running water, separate heating/AC and other utilities. That office building you are imagining probably doesn’t have space for this. In many cases it’s cheaper to tear it down and rebuild than to convert… unless it was designed from the beginning to be modular. Most skyscrapers aren’t designed that way.
And people moving into those apartments might be making a lot of noise. Are they going to be just serviced apartments for short term rent? Because they can't be long termed since if individually owned, people might want to do some renovations to it, then what about the noise?
I was figuratively scratching my head for this entire video until you revealed the sponsorship at the end. As others have said, the elevators are only a minor part of converting from office to residential use, or mixed use design. Far more important are things like the shape of the building to allow natural light, redundant utilities for easier future conversion between uses, etc. I assume this tower in Frankfurt has these elements as well, or else converting office floors to residential use in the future would be just as difficult as converting any old office tower currently is. Also, I don't believe this elevator technology is particularly new.
Frankly, this video is below your usual standards. I don't feel I learned anything from it. If you wanted to do this sponsorship you should have integrated it into a larger piece about future planning for easier conversion between uses.
Its 5 am for me, but this channel is worth my attention.
Thank you so much haha! Good morning ☀
it's not really clear why different uses need separate lobbies and elevators?
probably a zoning thing
Our group does a lot of work on high rise apts and offices in Houston. Most towers are single purpose, or converted from office to residential. Mixed use is extremely rare. Doesnt seem like there is enough demand.
-We wanted to have residence housing in the office building. We used to have residence and hotel in skyscrpers.
-So this is not new?
-It is totally new since we have elevator opening in BOOTH sides!!!
-No way man, thats some space tech. I mean our elevators in plazas and malls have this, but this have to be some different level.
-Well, just like the idea to have residence levels in a skyscraper. TOTALLY NEW. :D
What is this bs? This video failed to explain whats so new here.
We need some of this in Australia.
Residential building quality here is awful, but commercial building owners have a larger incentive to build to high standards.
We need livable, comfortable dense housing to stop the endless suburban sprawl and ridiculous commute times
Oh my gosh so true. I live in the Sydney CBD and my residential building is absolutely terrible. Walls, ceiling and floors must be made of paper, I can hear my neighbors all the time, even just talking 😢
Agreed. It's bad enough in Adelaide I can't imagine how the bigger cities are coping.
Same in New York and LA. allmajor cities could use mixed use structures. 🤔
Seems to be a really new thing to the new world. It's the default in Europe. Ground floor is shops, first floor is doctors, lawers, small offices, and above is residential. Traditionally it's only 4-6 floor buildings. Not all people like to live on the 20th floor or so. You have to get used to this.
Simple reason is , there is no space for any "suburban sprawl". In 20km distance there is the next downtown of the next city.
Building looks like the start of a Jenga game.
It's awesome right! Probably our favourite tower in Frankfurt rn
I would think the biggest problem is the different plumbing requirements for commercial vs. residential.
I used to work in a skyscraper in Manhattan that was later converted into high-end condos. The movie "Tower Heist" was filmed there. It was a surreal moment seeing former office spaces shown as high rise apartments.
I'd love to see a deeper video on this. Double sided elevators have been a thing for a while, I'd be interested in a deeper dive into how this system differs and is configured
it doesn't, it a commercial for the lift company.
Yeah, video is just a badly disguised advertisement for an elevator manufacturer. They haven’t really come up with anything groundbreaking, and it’s not even the biggest issue to be solved in mixed used skyscrapers.
It's basically a luxury concern. The planners could afford to waste space on two separate lobbies, something that would only be of concern to upper class residents who can afford to not want to come in contact with the unwashed masses on their way to work.
This video is clearly about how the mixed use was clearly thought through and flexibly integrated into the structure. Considering possible changes in the future and demonstrating how apartments and offices can co-habilitate the space even on the same floors. Not sure why you didn't get that.
An entire video about an elevator with doors on two sides.. OK.... what an innovation..
Oh, what a surprise, i would never have imagined office space vacancy might increase following the boom in remote work |it all started rapidly in spring 2020.
No discussion about the issue of plumbing needed for residential conversion, or the extra cost of including it during the build to provide multi-purpose spaces.
I find this very convoluted for a pretty minor issue. You don't want to feel like you live in an office building? Well, you do, and hell, who cares? I'd live there.
Even more efficient: No skyscrapers!
In Malaysia, we have mix use building/skyscraper. There's mall, office space and apartment in one and a rooftop garden. That's making your day more pleasant and don't have to commute on heavy traffic.
Elevators with 2 doors have been around for a while. Keycard access for different levels has been around for a while, too. With 2 or 3 different levels of keycard security, the elevators could be programmed like this without need for an app. When I played Sim Tower as a kid, I assumed a lot of tall buildings had a mix of office and/or residential and/or hotel. When the Book Cadillac hotel in Detroit was re-opened in 2008, it had condos on some of the upper floors.
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Why is it the issue if lifts are used for both residential and office spaces? I assume there may be privacy/safety concerns. But many office buildings are used for several companies, and require to use a safety tag after exiting the lift at the floor, and before entering the office. Wouldn't this be enough to start using empty office space as residential?
I love the look of the "wave" where the residential section is
This is an awesome example of thoughtful design from its inception. I’d be interested to see if this elevator solution can be retrofitted to revitalize an existing tower though.
So I thought that I was going to learn something new but then I watched the video and there are a lot of problems from a real estate development point of view: 1) Residential has different infrastructure compared to Commercial in terms of plumbing, ceiling height, fiber optics, power supply, and window regulations. You are increasing the building costs for both to handle both. 2) Commercial prefers new build since they are taking out a loan anyway 3) Commercial likes to build to their own specs, so another reason for new build 4) We need so much new housing, there is a housing shortage, so why would we ever then switch from residential to commercial? 5) And in most US cities they'd need to come up with a new building regulations to make this legal
I know I'm in the minority but I hate working from home. Whenever I can I go to the office. It makes a perfect division between work and life and the commute is a teleport. In the morning I get ready to work while on the bus and after work I listen to music and relax. I prefer that way
Same, but I definitely miss the empty office and lack of traffic. 😂
My office initially sent everyone home, then went to 1 person to man the office which I volunteered to do full time. Eventually they changed it to rotation to the annoyance of everyone and then back to office only. But for about 9 months it was nice and quiet in my office, heh
Great vid as always. Thank you. What’s the song playing at the end? Love it!
Using a huge building for office space and residential spots. Real cutting edge stuff...
This video was just the lift I needed this morning 🤣
TIL: In the UK, "Science" is another category of land use, like "Residential" and "Commercial". Great video. With that said, I have no idea why they'd be forced to use single-use elevators in the first place.
I'm glad to see that I am not alone in the confusion department. The concept could've been better illustrated i guess.
This commercial should be 30 seconds long. Kudos to the creators skill in padding it out though, and upgrading to documentary style.
Wait how are residential lifts different from commercial ones? Just a back door opening and you don’t want strangers to have access to your house?
If I understand it correctly. Every shaft has 2 entrances a front and a back.
If you press the call elevator on the front the elevator will only accept inputs that bring you to front access floors (in this case commercial)
And if you press the call button on the backside the elevator will only accept inputs for floors where the backside is available.
This also prevents unwanted ride alongs as the elevator won't allow the frontside to be called or opened while it's in backside use.
It's pretty clever and could easily be expanded by having a second lobby floor only accessable via escalator or something which allows access to another 2 subsections or the building. Or you can split/combine the shafts as you see fit. (though it requires some rebuilding of the ground floor)
@@profwaldone This comment is a better explanation than the video, which is herald this as the second coming of Christ.
I watched the video and still couldn't work out the big deal, your explanation does this really well , thanks@@profwaldone
I’m still confused tbh, if there’s still less elevators then normally won’t people spend a lot of time waiting
@@profwaldoneThat sounds like less function per elevator. I work in a building that has done the second door and lockout thing with physical keys since the 60s and it's the opposite of more efficient. They specifically avoid using them when the elevators are in high demand.
Canary Wharf is emptying out, but I've noticed that the City of London is more bustling than ever, with firms like HSBC even relocating their HQ from Canary Wharf to the City. I think it has to do with the culture - if your office is around the City, the expectations are that you'll be in the office 5 days a week, or at the very minimum, 3. Sucks, but it is what it is.
I didn’t know HSBC moved headquarters! Fascinating.
I wonder if in 100 years Canary Wharf will be viewed as just a blip of the financial-fanaticism of the 80s…
I wouldn’t mind if it was just regular mid-rise flats like so much else of the Docklands tbh.
I've never understood the appeal of Canary wharf. Unless you live in one of the flats close by. It is a pain to get to from the rest of London. Having said that the view from the 48th Floor of 1 Canada Square is impressive on a clear day.
Of all the problems that have to be solved with flexible usage, then the addition of programmable elevators seems to me to be one of the simpler ones. The most difficult is surely going to be about the other infrastructure services that need to be sorted out. Of those, I would pick out something as basic as plumbing as the most challenging. Any office is going to have a need for perhaps 2-4 locations on each floor where toilets are required. Perhaps some kitchenette type facilities. For this, then all the plumbing can be concentrated, vertically, in just a very few locations. However, when it comes to apartments, then they are each going to require a bathroom or two, as well as a kitchen. Maybe a dozen apartments a floor, and then the plumbing infrastructure is going to be well dispersed, and you can't easily have vertical runs as there may be an office beneath. Waste tends to have minimum fall requirements. Even more demanding will be catering for hotel type accommodation, when each room will required its own plumbing infrastructure, and again traditional, vertically aligned services are going to be problematic.
There are other services which have to be dealt with, like electricity, telecoms, security and ventilation, some rather simpler than others. Maybe the most intractable will be the lack of access to natural light at the core. Many countries have rules about what sort of habitable rooms must have access to natural light. That will limit the way in which buildings with large areas per floor can be used. It may be that kitchens and bathrooms without natural light are not a problem, but it will be for bedrooms and other living space in apartments. I'm not sure what the rules are for hotel rooms; there are cruise ships without natural light for inner cabins, but is that allowed for hotel rooms?
Now a lot of this could be designed in, on a new building, although it will involve compromises. For an older building, much more problematical. Not to say that something can't be done, but it is not going to be easy.
So a mixed used building with a single elevator shaft? Ground breaking!
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And there we go. Thought it was some sort of sponsor/agreement to promote a business
@@catzzzvb Or maybe people appearing in a video, especially when said video features interview sections, will be aware of what channel said video will go on and will then seek that video out and make a comment. This is not unusual at all. No deals of any sort needed. Happens all the time.
what happens if the visitor don't have the app? what about if your phone's battery is drained? the lobbies are different, because there are doors on both sides of the elevator? what if someone didn't get out on their floor, and then another person get in the elevator for another floor that's not residential or comercial? so many unanswered questions...
I don't get it. How is this any different than just any old building having one bank of elevators serving multiple uses? Just because your smartphone tells you which elevator to take doesn't make this fundamentally different than if one were to just walk in and take the first available elevator to whatever floor by pushing the button to the floor they want, whether residential or office.
In Manila we have mixed use modern townships where you can live, play and work. We have adopted this kind of concept in Manila's real estate development long before pandemic
Never seen a sponsorship being incorporated into a video so seamlessly yet so clearly. Wow
They are elevators with two sets of doors that each open to different lobbies- residential and commercial. The two populations use the same elevator but never mix. This short unfortunately doesn’t explain this as well as the long form version.
Every new skyscraper needs to follow this design.
Yeah, skyscraper leases are totally going to recoup costs by incorporating residential rents (at an astronomical fee) vs it being full of businesses.
It is a simple concept but how are the individual bathrooms/kitchens installed for the conversion?
This reminds me of the old classic, Simtower. You could change the floors that elevators stopped on based on the time of day and which area, condos, hotels, or office and fast food was most busy at a given time, but it seems that you had to change the elevators when you needed and couldn’t enter a weekly schedule of changes before hand. It got tedious.
Also I think many office scrapers should make for quite decent residences. Tall ceilings, big windows. Seems rather compatible. Just needs a bit different plumbing but should be quite solvable.
Maybe some kind of semi advanced walls so building weight limits aren't exceeded by putting in cinderblocks.
Plumbing somehow needs to be routed to every unit instead of a just a handful of restrooms. Same for electrical, and HVAC. Along with finding the space for that infrastructure. Then you have to consider emergency egress routes, access to natural light, soundproofing between units, parking, etc. These are the challenges facing office-to-residential conversions, not elevators lacking an app...
@@publicacct5626plumbing yes, but is there really that much electrical rework? For a 110V system I can see routing higher voltage lines for the oven and dryer and that, but in 240V country that should be fine right? (Maybe having a couple of high current ring mains has spoiled me, pretty much anything can be plugged in anywhere. The oven could go in the socket for the lights next to it and be fine.)
@@publicacct5626 both access to natural light and emergency exist are not issues in a glass high rise. And office buildings typically have quite a deck height for utilities. I don't see the problem, it could actually be quite good. If the building has zero parking that might be an issue but do they... whether office cars or personal cars that might be even as well.
@@kaitlyn__L Yes Kaitlyn it all really is that much work. Looking at your example of electrical: voltage isn't the issue (the US has 240v, just split-phase), this issue is current draw. All those stoves and dryers need to be on a circuit that can support that much current passing through it without overheating, and be wired to have a breaker if it does. You definitely cannot plug an oven into the same outlet as a lamp - one is a 15AMP circuit, the other is 50AMPs. Never mind the differences in outlet design. While you're at it you'll need to ensure every unit is wired separately with their own meter unless you want everyone sharing one electricity bill. I'm not an electrician so I cannot comment further here. Point being there are ton of things the average person hasn't considered when the "ooh make offices buildings into apartments" idea crosses their mind. Any research I've done on the topic suggests its often extremely difficult and expensive. I suggest you look into it. There's a reason you only see these conversions in very rare instances while property owners take huge losses letting their downtown towers sit empty for nearly 4 years.
@@DanFrederiksen It's very dependent on the building. But access to natural light is absolutely not a given. Of the highrises I've worked in, you would be lucky to have a desk where you can see a window. The simple reality is office towers are often built with a larger floorplate than apartment buildings.
@4:59 what's with all the dirt on the whiteboard animation?
Correct me if im wrong. if all floor has opening on the back. meaning ur single lift shaft have to have 2 corridor access for each floor. Additionally your existing lift core arrangement dictate the possibilty to upgrade to this lift system. ie. with common 2 x 2 lift core with perimeter corridor wont be able to accommodate to front and rear opening lift cart.
Empty offices and housing shortages seems like a simple ‘dilemma’.
Zoning restrictions and regulations have a tendency to turn simple problems into full blown dilemmas
The problem is 3-fold. Offices rent out for more. Residential costs more in infrastructure and has tighter regulations. And everyone who can afford that and wants it already bought high rise contracts in most cases.
The housing crisis is always going to be of the poor, and the problem is getting the money to house those who can't pay it back. We're at a pinnacle of pretending the rich are unaffected by the living conditions of the poor, and while you are right that this is a solution, the translation from that delusion is going to be rough.
Neat idea. I never considered how important an elevator is or how much space they take up.
Vertically stacked elevators that have a defined non-overlapping floor range might be a good idea in some cases. I don't even know if they already do that!
Yes, really tall buildings usually do that. For safety and redundancy.
That way if an elevator is out for maintenance in a 30 story building, you only lose fifteen floors of mobility at a time.
It’s also easier to inspect, maintain, and build something that travels 10-20 stories than something that must be reliable to travel 50 at a time.
Dividing the trip over multiple cars can also save energy depending on traffic flows.
It’s also done for high privacy/security suites. Most elevators go 60-90% to the top, and then there’s a separate elevator(s) to go to higher floors because a defense contractor or a rich guy rents everything from there up. Or the CEO wants his privacy. That kind of thing.
There are other reasons to divide them up, but these are the basic ones.
@@JasonJrake They don't even need to be strictly limited to certain floors, just to have limits that keep them a safe distance apart. Depends on how sophisticated the (safety-rated) control system is.
I worked in a building with vertically stacked (double decker) elevators and I hated them.
In this building there were two lobbies on the ground "floor". The lower one for odd number floors and the upper one if you were going to an even numbered floor. People came in from the outside from the street at the upper ground level so if you worked on an odd numbered floor you always had to go down a floor to go to work. If you came in from the parking you were on the lower ground level. Starting from the first level of offices and up when you called an elevator you could get either the top or bottom of an elevator carriage. However, if you wanted to go to the top floor, which I did often as I had to catch the separate elevator to the data centre on the roof there, from any other floor it meant you had to be on the top compartment. Sometimes this required calling an elevator multiple times as the system chose the bottom compartment to stop, inconveniencing any people already on it for a potentially wasted stop (there may have been people upstairs wanting to get on the elevator). Then when leaving the building you were brought to either the upper or lower ground floors, depending on whether you got on the upper or lower compartment.
Taking the stairs would have been wonderful but because of security they weren't an option from the ground floor. Stairs are only thought of as a means of escape in emergencies so they are placed on the outside, at least here. If they placed stairwells on either side of the elevator banks then stairs would become an option for people in secure buildings. People would pass security and then have the option to take the elevator or stairs. While not great for people on top floors, those on the lower floors might appreciate the option. I would have.
Interesting as this is a conversation piece in workplace and building repurposing today….on the plumbing and infrastructure question, I’ve wondered if a module approach could be used in repurposing a floor, similar to the modules that are made for cruise ships…
sensible approach to flexible / hybrid design - the equally large challenge is compliance with residential and commercial building codes and require juggling of finishes and amenities between the 2 different uses - interested to learn how these challenges are adapted to
The biggest problem with working from home is social isolation.
I really fear for our future with this issue, as especially introverts enjoy being further away but while it may be less stressful in the short term it leads to alot of mental health problems in the long term
Are you both crazy? There is nothing social about working from the office. It is just terrible and inhuman.
No it’s perfect for introverts as they get to choose what level of contact they need for their own well-being instead of being forced into situations which are too much for comfort.
@@radart6037 indeed.. not being subjected to in-office "social interaction" leaves my social battery more fully-charged for pursuing actual consensual friendships outside work.
The only problem with working from home is the people who complain about it, probably because the nature of their job does not allow it and that’s it. Working from home is perfect on any level and has nothing to do with being an introvert or not. Sharing a place with strangers while you have to focus on your tasks and listen to useless and distracting conversations in the office that do not let you finish your job in peace is a big issue. The only other reason someone might think it is better to work in the office is for managers to be able to micromanage their staff. There is no advantage to working in the office whatsoever, unless you have things that need to be done in an office necessarily, such as dealing with deliveries or stuff like that
If you live and work in the building, do you have to leave the building to then re enter through a different lobby?
Hey Fred great video as usual. Question though, this is the first time I noticed the tiny bug on the white screens…
Is that programming artefact. Or a you just having fun…
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1 William St at Brisbane has a smart lift system, is really good and efficient for the workers
I can normally follow these videos easily but I'm still trying to figure this out. In apartments each unit needs baths and kitchen and exterior windows and offices converted apartments don't come cheaply. What am I missing? All problems solved by intelligent elevators, really?
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It’s an extra pair of doors and some simple software…
I feel like this is a fake problem.
That's because you don't live with an empty skyscraper
Also it is possible to create a washrooms that could be converted to apartments. Depending on demands. It will be also called mix-used area.
I'm duplicating efforts here. The elevators are of course key, but plumbing is a much larger issue. Office spaces don't require individual bathrooms, hotels and apartments do. Major upgrades. Who's buying into that?
Seems like you guys pushed a little too hard in making a story out of nothing...
The biggest challenge in converting to residential is the plumbing risers for kitchens and bathrooms, and the ventilation shafts or risers required by code. These are traditionally close to the core as well and not located near the curtain wall.
Bizarre that this video gets so excited about elevator operational controls as a sweeping remedy.
So many problems with this, yet many can be addressed.
Most of the problems are going to be how residential and commercial can seamlessly work when each require a lot of changes.
Residential requires several things to work. Bedrooms, living rooms, bathrooms/laundry rooms and kitchens. If you were to build the offices in such a way that you could change a floor in to a set of an apartments in no time flat.
Most skyscrapers are around 200x100 feet or 20k square feet. If you were to ideally say that each apartment was 1500 square feet and the last 5000 was elevators and hallways. You could set up a 10 apartment/office floor that would have 3 bedrooms 3 baths. If done correctly you could ideally still have 30 offices and large open areas. Think of the bedrooms/bathrooms as being window rooms while the living/kitchen areas are the middle with window ends and the center the elevator/stairs and hallways. This would create a square type area when it was opened up. The plumbing could be sealed off at floor level and the vent sealed in the ceiling. With in the ceiling would be the firewall sections where the apartment walls would be and they could be slipped back in. It would only take a small amount of work to remove the ceiling panels and the the cross members for those panels where the walls are then they connect back in and new shorter panels and shorter cross members are installed back in.
The only problem with this is the amount of waste one is going to involve in fixing up these floors and then ripping them out at some point.
Office space is going to become obsolete over the next decade when more and more companies are going to down size their staff or grow their remote staff. AI has and is taking over more and more office jobs and people are finding ways to move to new sectors. The push back for working in offices is really getting hammered down to employers as people are no longer wanting that 9 to 5 crap. The internet and their speeds offer 4k video calling that is far better and gets even better by the day. People are no longer wanting to spend the hours driving to work when they do not need too.
Countries should be pushing their companies to offer more remote work. Even if you have to live stream 4k during working hours. Its not that hard to have a computer with a screen streaming a group of workers working.
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Question;
What does cutting another access hole in the elevator shaft do to the structural integrity of that shaft? dual port shafts are common and built differently than single port shafts.
My local hospital has lifts with doors on both sides. It's confusing if you're a visitor. Other than introducing a new security problem, how does this new car fix all the usage conversion engineering issues?
If a person can WFH, a person should WFH.
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