Amazing interview! Peter’s interviewing skills scores a big win as Paul Toscano bares his soul. We’ve all had multiple spiritual experiences that go well beyond being a coincidence. Off topic but these frivolous excommunications are not recognized by the Lord.
Great stories, and I especially enjoyed that last bit! I hope you'll offer a "how to" guide for those of us who want to do that, too. 🤗 My big take-away was something I've felt for years but was something you confirmed. Far too often "the church" tries to gatekeep who can do what (for examples, PIMO fathers being forbidden to baptise their own children until they pay up their tithing) when really we have the authority all without them. Just like the Pharisees they are, they refuse to enter heaven but also stand in the way of others who are trying!
Just started listening but I agree with this point. If I have received the Priesthood then I have the authority to use it unless I am not worthy through transgression. I cannot find anything that says not paying tithing is a transgression. Never heard that in 60 years of membership
@@Englishbob1955 Are you being ironic? How about tithing stops you being burned at the last day? And how you won't get to Temple recommend or ordination or baptism or most callings without paying it?
@mormoncivilwar6189 Hello, actually I wasn't being ironic. However, I was not contemplating your examples when I made my comment. I am not sure that your examples are transgressions per se. If I don't pay tithing then the denial of participation could be seen as the punishment. However, I am not convinced that your examples are sufficient to deny giving a blessing to someone who is sick or administering the sacrament. What I think is that there appears to be a grey area of 'cans' and 'cant's'. As for tithing being fire insurance? I agree. It saddens me when contra arguments seem to ignore this point and focus too much on what the Church does and does not spend the money on rather than the doctrine behind tithing. That said, this is a superb series of discussions. I haven't dug out my meat cleaver in years. I found my milk straw was adequate but not for this! Thank you.
Worth reading Review of The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church (Oxford University Press, 2019) in John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 40, no. 1 (2020): 156-159. Sociologists seem to think along similar lines
Amazing interview! Peter’s interviewing skills scores a big win as Paul Toscano bares his soul. We’ve all had multiple spiritual experiences that go well beyond being a coincidence.
Off topic but these frivolous excommunications are not recognized by the Lord.
Great stories, and I especially enjoyed that last bit! I hope you'll offer a "how to" guide for those of us who want to do that, too. 🤗
My big take-away was something I've felt for years but was something you confirmed. Far too often "the church" tries to gatekeep who can do what (for examples, PIMO fathers being forbidden to baptise their own children until they pay up their tithing) when really we have the authority all without them. Just like the Pharisees they are, they refuse to enter heaven but also stand in the way of others who are trying!
Excellent point and example of how the Pharisee approach makes it too hard for normal people to ever be good enough and thus self-sabotage. 👍
Just started listening but I agree with this point. If I have received the Priesthood then I have the authority to use it unless I am not worthy through transgression. I cannot find anything that says not paying tithing is a transgression. Never heard that in 60 years of membership
@@Englishbob1955 Are you being ironic? How about tithing stops you being burned at the last day? And how you won't get to Temple recommend or ordination or baptism or most callings without paying it?
@mormoncivilwar6189 Hello, actually I wasn't being ironic. However, I was not contemplating your examples when I made my comment. I am not sure that your examples are transgressions per se. If I don't pay tithing then the denial of participation could be seen as the punishment. However, I am not convinced that your examples are sufficient to deny giving a blessing to someone who is sick or administering the sacrament.
What I think is that there appears to be a grey area of 'cans' and 'cant's'.
As for tithing being fire insurance? I agree. It saddens me when contra arguments seem to ignore this point and focus too much on what the Church does and does not spend the money on rather than the doctrine behind tithing.
That said, this is a superb series of discussions. I haven't dug out my meat cleaver in years. I found my milk straw was adequate but not for this! Thank you.
My answer to the question "Do we need to tell the difference between dreams and visions?" Is NO.
Worth reading Review of The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church (Oxford University Press, 2019) in John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 40, no. 1 (2020): 156-159. Sociologists seem to think along similar lines
Great minds think alike! LOL