Quick note from a Lisa main: when using the charge part for her E skill, you don't have to hold it down for very long. If you're observant, you'll notice two circles - one indicates the radius and the other is expanding to reach that radius. Once the second circle reaches the first, then you can let it go. Or, if you're not looking at other things, but notice as she's charging that lightning strikes the charged ball in her hand - that's your queue. It'll shave off about a couple seconds if you get the timing right. Also, interrupting the charge - letting go of the E button before reaching full - will cast the tap version instead
About the dmg showcase with Navia , there are 2 variable that could make it different 1.Furina ult, which can gain fanfare at different times 2.Navia E deals different amount of dmg depending on how many pellets hit the enemy.
#2 is definitely why the numbers are varying. The game checks how many bullets hit the enemy, then calculates a single value to show on screen. If you miss some bullets, it will just show a lower number and won't tell you that you missed
Lisa is the only one who does it by default with her A4 Burst, but the others are Ayaka C4, Klee C2, Nahida C2 and Razor C4. So yeah, a very exclusive club! My only wish is that her E had some kind of insta-charge mechanic like Beidou does. 2 seconds feels like ages in this game for some reason.
The most important thing about def shred is that it doesn't diminish. Neither real (like EM) or pseudo diminishing through saturation (like bonus and attack). If you pair Lisa with Nahida C2, you'll actually see higher than 8% gains from Lisa def shred. Defense shred is more common in HSR so you may have heard this more often if you play that game. But keep in mind def shred and ignore function differently in genshin. In genshin they are multiplicative which may sound good but sadly in this case it's worse. E.g. Nahida C2 is an 18% increase for Keqing, but only 11% for C2 Raiden.
I main Lisa for like 2and a half years so i was pretty happy with this vid. The 8,1% increase seems right amd even if it doesn't seem that big it is "unconditional" across the while team which makes it quite fun for some weird teams. Thought i gotta say the "best" ways to play (as a dps) her rn is either the quickbloom team you showcased or a chevreuse/benny/xl team which does need a bit of fummel practice to battery both het and xl. Also i love her as a eula supp... That's pretty much the only way i play eula now.
Yeah 8% increase to damage just across the team for 10 seconds is no joke. And Lisas Burst stays up for a while. So it will be longer then 10 seconds, more like her whole Burst +10 seconds after it goes down.
As a person who triple crowned lisa, im proud of you moga, i dont really use her in abyss since physical teams aren't great [i main eula] but she is good for dendro teams however, there are better alternatives. Anyway, i like to use her when im bored of "meta" characters, i love the feeling of charging up a skill to do massive damage She is really fun at c6
With Dendro, Lisa is pretty nice actually, I started a f2p account and saved every primo for Nahida got her (last rerun), and then dropped the account 2 months later lol, but I was rockin the Nahida, Lisa, Barbara team and boy was that so much easier than my first and main accounts playthrough, boy that was scuffed lol.
Navia is an RNG machine. Her damage depends not only on how may bullets you shoot but also how many of them hit the target (in a shotgun pattern). If just one or two bullets miss the hitbox the damage will be less.
12:00 180k was with geo resonance, and 116k without. 12:09 - can't be sure if all "bullets" hit one target there wich is a big deal, but still no geo res. Also it wasn't on a video so i can't tell that it was a problem, but you could miss Navia's artefact set buff, if her signature set is equipped, depends on what you were doing then and if it was the problem, then Verdict also doing his stuff. 12:27 150k was under the shield so you had your geo res buff.
c5 Lisa main here. I've been using Paradise Lost set since it came out, due to it increasing Bloom/Hyperbloom damage by a total of 65% (40% initial plus a 25% bonus)
with navia her e dmg depends on how many shotgun pellets hit the enemy. so you basically have to stand right in front on the enemy to get the most damage out of her e
Im not sure if this is the same, but c2 raiden ignores 60% of opponents def when she uses her burst. Im not sure if thats the same as def decrease but it’s similar!
Wouldn't Thundering Fury benefit her build more? Marechausse is a perfect pick for most but given that the build you were using in the Abyss is mainly Aggravate and E Skill focused so i guess it could benefit how much reactions she does
Lisa, Noelle, Venti, Traveler (Anemo) Lisa - 2pc Thundering Fury/2pc Golden Troupe, 5* Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds. Noelle - 4pc Archaic Petra, DEF scaling Weapon. Venti - 4pc VV, Skyward Harp Traveler - 4pc Thundering Soother, Lion’s Roar. Use Lisa to apply Electro to enemy. Switch to Noelle and Skill near enemy. Grab Electro Crystallize as Noelle. Switch to Venti and Burst. Switch to Lisa and Burst. Switch to Traveler and Burst. Switch to Lisa and apply 3 stacks of Conductive, and then use Skill (hold). This might be the strongest damage she can do? 4pc Archaic Petra will give 35% Electro DMG Bonus. 2pc Thundering Fury will give 15% Electro DMG Bonus. 2pc Golden Troupe gives 20% Elemental Skill DMG LPttSW (R1-R5) gives (16-32%) Elemental DMG Bonus. 4pc VV decreases Electro RES by 40%. Lisa’s Burst decreases by 15%. Traveler’s (Anemo) C6 makes Burst decrease Electro RES by 20%. If everything works out right.
The way Lisa was my first level 90 character all the way back in 1.0 yet I still haven’t triple crowned her bc I despise that domain (cryo main here, I only have one pyro unit built)
Dude looking at a 30 cv piece and being like "oh that is actually sad". Meanwhile here's me getting absolutely FLABBERGASTED when I get a 25+ cv piece. These whales sure are playing a completely different game...
Lol Lisa Main since I kept getting her cons in standard. The timing was right when I got her c5. She was also in the Paimon Shop. So I got her to c6 last year or so.💜💜💜
Razor hold E also does something with defense, for funny haha moments you can try Raiden (c2+) + Razor Hold E + Lisa burst and ignore the enemy defense. Yea c6 also does something with defense.
For Nahida you don’t need that much EM, for example I have her as a hybrid with double em and crit rate. I have around 60/150 with 800 em but with dendro res I could be at 930 with 130 er.
I also crowned her skull cause she’s my favorite Electro I got her C5 from shop which makes me conflicted about her final one cause I also got kagura for her and the only other character that could use it is maybe Mona.
I like Lisa a lot lol, one of my personal favs. I havent used her in a bit but I still built her enough to be usable anytime I want. Coincidentally, I actually built her with EM pre-Dendro because of her characterization of being knowledgeable on elemental reactions at the start of the game. So I tried to stack EM on her while having a good crit ratio. Its was a lotta fun at the time lol.
As a Lisa main, that 15% defence shred is not so effective. Maths says, that reduced def increases the defence multiplier from 0.49 to 0.516. Not THAT big difference. So missing out on that burst on rotations wont impact much, so dont focus on ER.
The reason Navia's damage was so different was due to her artifact set. It gives her 30% geo damage bonus while under a crystalized shield. During some of the shots you did not have a crystalize shield.
how def % works is it lowers there total dmg by 15% or until it gets to 0 it wont go under. few enemies even early game have few def except simon and P.M.A. who only has 9. the dmg will make a huge leap on enemies with alot of def bc the scaling is drastic like azdhaha, raiden, and some sumuru bosses
I'm afraid this isn't how defense works. It's just a set formula based on your level and the enemy level. It's different from both resistance and damage reduction.
Read merechausse description..you can gain 36% crit by losing or gaining hp...thats why he have furina in his team..so he want atleast 36 to 40 crit so he can be atleast 70+ cr with artifact buff.
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Quick note from a Lisa main: when using the charge part for her E skill, you don't have to hold it down for very long. If you're observant, you'll notice two circles - one indicates the radius and the other is expanding to reach that radius. Once the second circle reaches the first, then you can let it go.
Or, if you're not looking at other things, but notice as she's charging that lightning strikes the charged ball in her hand - that's your queue. It'll shave off about a couple seconds if you get the timing right. Also, interrupting the charge - letting go of the E button before reaching full - will cast the tap version instead
9:24 Nahida's C2 decreases opponents' DEF by 30% after they're hit by quicken/aggravate/spread :D
welp that’s still a constellation not her kit
@@kapyba3a I mean so is Klee's C2 which he mentioned in the vid and claimed it was the only other one..
@@fredxu99he didn't claim its the only one, he said he doesn't actually remember if it is
Only to those dmg types
There is also razor c4, but shouldn’t be used for support reasons
First genshin with one hand and now this. I sense a pattern here.
hmm
😳 📸
NAH 💀😭😭
I don't get it
I'm slow, explain plz
About the dmg showcase with Navia , there are 2 variable that could make it different
1.Furina ult, which can gain fanfare at different times
2.Navia E deals different amount of dmg depending on how many pellets hit the enemy.
#2 is definitely why the numbers are varying. The game checks how many bullets hit the enemy, then calculates a single value to show on screen. If you miss some bullets, it will just show a lower number and won't tell you that you missed
Lisa is the only one who does it by default with her A4 Burst, but the others are Ayaka C4, Klee C2, Nahida C2 and Razor C4. So yeah, a very exclusive club! My only wish is that her E had some kind of insta-charge mechanic like Beidou does. 2 seconds feels like ages in this game for some reason.
Shogun too
@@KanekiKen-tq6bmshogun actually has def ignore which is different, because it only applies to her
@@faicalaba6934 that list is pretty exclusive too. Just Shogun C2 and Yae Miko C6 for straight up DEF ignore.
"Is there any indication?"
A giant number 3 in the middle of a boss:
this is funny hahaha but he actually meant kagura's stack
@@shapoosi2684orange energy lines go up on the characters body once the full 3 stack kagura buff is up
Finally a Lisa video. Good to know shes not fully forgotten. ☺️
Amazing how Moga was able to play this perfectly with one hand. Like wow!!
The most important thing about def shred is that it doesn't diminish. Neither real (like EM) or pseudo diminishing through saturation (like bonus and attack).
If you pair Lisa with Nahida C2, you'll actually see higher than 8% gains from Lisa def shred.
Defense shred is more common in HSR so you may have heard this more often if you play that game. But keep in mind def shred and ignore function differently in genshin. In genshin they are multiplicative which may sound good but sadly in this case it's worse. E.g. Nahida C2 is an 18% increase for Keqing, but only 11% for C2 Raiden.
9:24 C4 ayaka also reduces DEF of enemies by 30% when hit with her burst.
I love Lisa!!! I'm so glad that you invested in her :) mine is the DPS, on 4 TF and Yae's weapon. she's insane!
I main Lisa for like 2and a half years so i was pretty happy with this vid. The 8,1% increase seems right amd even if it doesn't seem that big it is "unconditional" across the while team which makes it quite fun for some weird teams. Thought i gotta say the "best" ways to play (as a dps) her rn is either the quickbloom team you showcased or a chevreuse/benny/xl team which does need a bit of fummel practice to battery both het and xl. Also i love her as a eula supp... That's pretty much the only way i play eula now.
Yeah 8% increase to damage just across the team for 10 seconds is no joke. And Lisas Burst stays up for a while. So it will be longer then 10 seconds, more like her whole Burst +10 seconds after it goes down.
Furina buffs your character based on the funfare stacks, funfare stacks can be inconsistent.
Waited 1 year for this and now its here 🥰
the queen getting what she deserves. pulling kagura's only for her
dam i didn't know her skill damage was over 1000%
And her Burst hit 30 times for 77%😮
As a person who triple crowned lisa, im proud of you moga, i dont really use her in abyss since physical teams aren't great [i main eula] but she is good for dendro teams however, there are better alternatives. Anyway, i like to use her when im bored of "meta" characters, i love the feeling of charging up a skill to do massive damage
She is really fun at c6
5 days ago - I played genshin with one hand only...
Today - God Mode Lisa
should i be concerned moga
Navia E actually have bullet projectiles. Hitting all 11 bullets increase more damage.
Oh so that why he was playing with one hand
With Dendro, Lisa is pretty nice actually, I started a f2p account and saved every primo for Nahida got her (last rerun), and then dropped the account 2 months later lol, but I was rockin the Nahida, Lisa, Barbara team and boy was that so much easier than my first and main accounts playthrough, boy that was scuffed lol.
Lisa works well, if you know her timings. It takes a bit of practice to get the flow right. So lisas def stat down = roughly an 8% increase to damage.
Navia is an RNG machine. Her damage depends not only on how may bullets you shoot but also how many of them hit the target (in a shotgun pattern). If just one or two bullets miss the hitbox the damage will be less.
ty for making a god mode lisa, she was my first main and one of my favorite characters till today
12:00 180k was with geo resonance, and 116k without. 12:09 - can't be sure if all "bullets" hit one target there wich is a big deal, but still no geo res. Also it wasn't on a video so i can't tell that it was a problem, but you could miss Navia's artefact set buff, if her signature set is equipped, depends on what you were doing then and if it was the problem, then Verdict also doing his stuff. 12:27 150k was under the shield so you had your geo res buff.
finally, i've been waiting for this
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT LETS GOOOOOOO
“As soon as Lisa is on the field she’s dying instantly” no truer words have ever been said
Thundering fury would have increased her damage way more (proud c6 lisa owner)😊
c5 Lisa main here. I've been using Paradise Lost set since it came out, due to it increasing Bloom/Hyperbloom damage by a total of 65% (40% initial plus a 25% bonus)
If the dmg calculation is the same than def decrease/ignore scales exponentially the more you get until you reach 100% where the increase drops to 0
He forgot about C6 Yae Miko, C2 Raiden, C2 Nahida
with navia her e dmg depends on how many shotgun pellets hit the enemy. so you basically have to stand right in front on the enemy to get the most damage out of her e
9:22 Ayaka can decrease enemies def with her C4 and also Nahida can with C2 if she triggers a Dendro reaction (I think).
9:24 Razor's c4 also decreases def
9:24 Yes the completely new units like Ayaka and Razor.
For an easier time playing Lisa for you Moga, you can use Bennett, Chev, and Sara, which would make gameplay straightforward!
Im not sure if this is the same, but c2 raiden ignores 60% of opponents def when she uses her burst. Im not sure if thats the same as def decrease but it’s similar!
Wouldn't Thundering Fury benefit her build more? Marechausse is a perfect pick for most but given that the build you were using in the Abyss is mainly Aggravate and E Skill focused so i guess it could benefit how much reactions she does
it is
Ayakas c4 has the highest and longest def decrease in the game
Is it decrease or ignore?
@ its decrease
As someone who also plays Navia istg her doing random dmg sometimes even at max stacks is very real
As a triple crowned Lisa main, I am glad to see this video :)
Lisa, Noelle, Venti, Traveler (Anemo)
Lisa - 2pc Thundering Fury/2pc Golden Troupe, 5* Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds.
Noelle - 4pc Archaic Petra, DEF scaling Weapon.
Venti - 4pc VV, Skyward Harp
Traveler - 4pc Thundering Soother, Lion’s Roar.
Use Lisa to apply Electro to enemy.
Switch to Noelle and Skill near enemy.
Grab Electro Crystallize as Noelle.
Switch to Venti and Burst.
Switch to Lisa and Burst.
Switch to Traveler and Burst.
Switch to Lisa and apply 3 stacks of Conductive, and then use Skill (hold).
This might be the strongest damage she can do?
4pc Archaic Petra will give 35% Electro DMG Bonus.
2pc Thundering Fury will give 15% Electro DMG Bonus.
2pc Golden Troupe gives 20% Elemental Skill DMG
LPttSW (R1-R5) gives (16-32%) Elemental DMG Bonus.
4pc VV decreases Electro RES by 40%.
Lisa’s Burst decreases by 15%.
Traveler’s (Anemo) C6 makes Burst decrease Electro RES by 20%.
If everything works out right.
7:50 you could put furina in healer mode
Yaaayyyy finally C6 lisaa
Navia DMG changed so much cus all the pellets do there own DMG and there own crit it's just put in to 1 number
The way Lisa was my first level 90 character all the way back in 1.0 yet I still haven’t triple crowned her bc I despise that domain (cryo main here, I only have one pyro unit built)
Dude looking at a 30 cv piece and being like "oh that is actually sad". Meanwhile here's me getting absolutely FLABBERGASTED when I get a 25+ cv piece.
These whales sure are playing a completely different game...
Lol Lisa Main since I kept getting her cons in standard. The timing was right when I got her c5. She was also in the Paimon Shop. So I got her to c6 last year or so.💜💜💜
Razor hold E also does something with defense, for funny haha moments you can try Raiden (c2+) + Razor Hold E + Lisa burst and ignore the enemy defense. Yea c6 also does something with defense.
I believe Yae's C6 just ignores def, like Raiden C2
Sorry, but 8:12 is that seelies reflection really up there?
It just caught me off guard 😂
Showing her some respect by crowning her is nice TBH.
Now I have her c5 so this video is appreciated to see what I can do with her and maybe get her c6 with Masterless Starglitter next time.
when dendro first came out, i used lisa and nahida A LOT
9:26 my brother forgot about Ayaka c4
For Nahida you don’t need that much EM, for example I have her as a hybrid with double em and crit rate. I have around 60/150 with 800 em but with dendro res I could be at 930 with 130 er.
your pain when you only got different navia hits was wery present in your voice T^T
I got C6 Lisa somehow and that's why I come here to know how to properly build her ^^
me who has been waitin for this vid
you can finally enjoy climbing in crowned
Learn from 悠Haru-senpai. You can't half-ass play Lisa because playing her require brains and skills 😂
I'll build her as an off field burst support with Emblem
U could use furina in the healing mod because her uh pets are useless 8:02 or maybe you build furina for er?
I also crowned her skull cause she’s my favorite Electro I got her C5 from shop which makes me conflicted about her final one cause I also got kagura for her and the only other character that could use it is maybe Mona.
Personally, I would tried the team with Nahida, Lisa, Kujo Sara and Baizhu instead. Might have seen some nice numbers.
I like Lisa a lot lol, one of my personal favs. I havent used her in a bit but I still built her enough to be usable anytime I want.
Coincidentally, I actually built her with EM pre-Dendro because of her characterization of being knowledgeable on elemental reactions at the start of the game. So I tried to stack EM on her while having a good crit ratio. Its was a lotta fun at the time lol.
MAMI- its been far too long!
I always loved Lisa. She took my first crown. She is pretty strong these dsys and ive seen her skill do at least 130-150k
12:22 was no shield which is geo resonanse bonus vs 12:24 with shield on
Moga: shits on 4 Star dps characters all the time
Also moga: I CROWNED LISA I WANNA USE HER AS MY MAIN DPS
A C6 triple crowned Lisa main here!! Im glad ur playing her again, ur lisa deals ton of dmg ♥️
shes honestly really underrated
15% def ⬇️ equals to 8.1% absolute DMG increase 😮
Raiden's C2 gives 60 def ignore 😮
as you should, that's my mommy right there
As a Lisa main, that 15% defence shred is not so effective. Maths says, that reduced def increases the defence multiplier from 0.49 to 0.516. Not THAT big difference. So missing out on that burst on rotations wont impact much, so dont focus on ER.
Also, if you dont have 4pcs thundering fury, give her the 4cs Golden troupe. It hurts to see any other set on her. 2pcs atk% also works
I gave her Emblem set with Hakushin ring.
❤🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 Lisa is ❤😘🤌🤌🤌
Lisa is
If you could get lisa cons outside of standard then I would have enjoyed her.
I think this guy does not know that navia has 6 stacks on her elem skill instead of 3
Question you guys! I'm building a sub dps/support lisa-- should I focus on crit and atk dmg, or more on elemental mastery?
The reason Navia's damage was so different was due to her artifact set. It gives her 30% geo damage bonus while under a crystalized shield. During some of the shots you did not have a crystalize shield.
ayaka c4 also decreases def by 30%
Lisa is underrated. She's worth a double crown imo given her skill and ult are very much worth in dendro teams.
She is worth it
LISA LISA LISA LISA LISA
Razor also decreases def by I think 10-15% at c4
while againnst toupa usinng furina use her heal mode
Raiden C2 is a def decrease.
Lisa is great
Guys didnt play sins 2 years who new?
How is your Lisa dying with Baizhu 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I need advice should I delete her for genshin impact
Monster Super League
She has 1000+%?? I knew she was strong but dang
Not only her E, but her Charged attack was the highest scaling between catalysts! Don't know if this changed with neuvi, probably did lol
Mommy Lisa ❤
how def % works is it lowers there total dmg by 15% or until it gets to 0 it wont go under. few enemies even early game have few def except simon and P.M.A. who only has 9. the dmg will make a huge leap on enemies with alot of def bc the scaling is drastic like azdhaha, raiden, and some sumuru bosses
I'm afraid this isn't how defense works. It's just a set formula based on your level and the enemy level. It's different from both resistance and damage reduction.
😂😂😂lisa dont know how to dodge attack and keep dying 🤑
i think beidou c6 reduce def
WHAT THE....
Why would you use Marechausse? If 36% crit rate is what you need just use random pieces lol
Read merechausse description..you can gain 36% crit by losing or gaining hp...thats why he have furina in his team..so he want atleast 36 to 40 crit so he can be atleast 70+ cr with artifact buff.