Did Mary REMAIN A Virgin?
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- All Christians believe that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin, but only some Christians believe that she remained a virgin her entire life. Why do Catholics maintain her perpetual virginity, and where does the belief come from?
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as a protestant born and raised, this channel has open my eyes for an awesome part of christianity that i didn't know deeply. although we don't agree in a lot of things, you have some really good points and teologys. you go catholics!!
As i know and hear from other preachers Mary remained a virgin even after the birth of Jesus, but she had born 4 more children to St,Joseph and it change her nature of being a virgin,i had read it in the bible too.
For the supremacy of Jesus as God,Mary in personal connection to God remained a virgin,it is hard to accept that she no longer virgin after the birth of his children to StJoseph,it might become also a contradiction for Jesus as God, reason muslims do not accept Jesus as God only Jesus is prophet to Islams.
I also learn just now,Jesus come out of the womb of mary as a shadow by the power of God the reason she did not lost her virginity that is the logic.
You too!
@@luisamandac6069 please give a reference, from the bible, then show how you can be sure the bible is accurate at all.
"Proving, as they, said that abstinence is 99.99999% effective" hahahahahahaha that's a good joke
No, it’s 100% effective.
@@adamandrews8534 Lacking a sense of humour is also 100% effective.
@@franzfleischer3476, nothing funny about contraception. It’s immoral.
@@adamandrews8534 Still a good joke.
🙄😳...
it's incredibly funny that even Calvin was like "why would anyone even question Mary's perpetual virginity??"
Because there is nothing to prove that. Blessed does not mean Holy and she was not ever sin-free. Jews were told to consummate the marriage just like Catholics are. They just did it a few months late.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
@@gereamiaosea6659 ,Of course, Mary was ever-virgin and had no other children. The Gospel refers to Jesus’ brothers as Paul refers to all Israelites as his brothers, the children of Abraham (see Romans 9:3, 7).
@@bcalvert321 , "She was not ever sin-free" . So, according to your ideology it is impossible for God to put emmity between the devil and the WOMAN? "And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Gen 3:14-16
"And SHE brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." Revelation 12
"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a WOMAN..." Gal. 4:4
Do you know how Jesus vcalled His mom?
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw HIS MOTHER there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, 'WOMAN, here is your son,' 27 and to the disciple, 'Here is your mother.' From that time on, this disciple took her into his home." (John 19:25-27)
Jesus called His mother, Mary "WOMAN": Nothing is impossible for a great Savior as God:" Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 14.
"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Mat. 19:26
Scipture tells us the angel said to the chosen WOMAN : "rejoice, full of grace, the Lord is with thee".
If the WOMAN is full of grace, as the angel said. Is there place for sin? God can do it.
@@Alfredo8059 The person that stops the serpent's head is Jesus. Mary only carries Him to birth. There is nothing anywhere that says God made her sin-free in her mother's womb. There is nothing saying God ever made her sin-free. The Holy Spirit kept Jesus sin-free while Mary was carrying her. So He would not be stained by her sin nature. Rev. 12 is not talking about Mary at all. It is talking about Jesus being a Jew from Israel. Catholics fail to read the whole Chapter. They get hung up on the first couple of verses. Gal. 4:4 is about Mary but there is nothing suggesting she was anything special. There is no capital w in the verse.
Even as a Protestant, I believed in Mary's perpetual virginity. I just can't imagine Joseph would approach her in that way. Sure, he had rights to her as her husband, but she had been the vessel that brought for the flesh and blood child of the living God.
Think about this: it is necessary that Mary was a virgin to conceived Christ (to prove he was the son of God), but there was no necessity afterwards, but the prophesy of Isaiah mentions before + After. Does not make sense to concede the virginity after giving birth if she was going to lose it latter. Secondly if Christ is the only begotten Son of God the father does make sense that his human part is also the only son of Mary. Finally, Christ is the definitive son of Israel why there will be another? If Mary had another sons they would have been a sort of celebrities and surely we would have some strong evidence of them; but we do not have. I hope this helps.
@@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro I appreciate your reply. I don't know why you think I need help understanding what I have always believed as a simple fact, that Mary was simply a virgin before and after the conception and birth of Christ. Protestants want to keep her down and practically a nonentity until they trot her out at Christmas and then, like the Christmas tree they pack her back up. My belief is far simpler.
@@aslinndhan You're right. Probably it is because the generaly people are reluctant of the matter.
I had the same idea about St. Joseph. There was a reason why God chose him to be Mary's husband and the "earthly" father to His Son. In reading the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, you can get a sense of St. Joseph's character. I feel the God saw him as the right man for the job, so to speak.
@@albertchin1050 I definitely feel that way because first, Joseph would have to accept the situation, that Mary was pregnant and the baby wasn't his. And he would have the awesome responsibility of coparenting the Son of God. They would have to be both extraordinary people.
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@Linda Lo If it was that simple then there wouldn't be countless of protestant denominations with countless interpretations.
@Linda Lo
I think your mistaking Reverence, for Worship.
1 Kings 2:19
In Africa, we call people who aren't directly related to us but whom we've known for a long time as a brother.
You said it all! I have many “aunts” and “mothers” who are my mother’s friends.😂
In Latin América never invite someone to a party, saying: " your home family is invited" because you will have a huge party. Extended family is considered just family and we call our cousins brother-cousin or sister-cousin.
In America, we also call our dad’s friends uncle and our mom’s friends aunt if they have a very close friendship.
@@fallenkingdom-zd8xh Israel in Jesus time is not America now.
I left the Church in 1974 attended the Baptist Church until 2016. They teach that Mary was just a "host" for Christ . Nothing special about her at all. I am grateful to our Lord Jesus Christ and his mother the Blessed Mother for leading me home.
As an ex-Catholic, this Evangelical believes she was more than just a "host". She is "blessed among women." Here, this little girl had the faith of a mustard seed and accepted her role, quite possibly, knowing the scorn she would receive being pregnant out of wedlock. No, she was more than just a "host." You were better off being a Protestant in another church. Why is that those that leave the Catholic church think they have to belong to some Reformation era Protestant church? These churches in present day are going the way of apostates themselves.
As we all call her "THE VIRGIN MERRY" but as i call her chosen one b'cuz she gave birth even when she is virgin BUT that doesn't mean she is just a host who gave birth to jesus and took care of him for years just to
be a host......................
That is not the general teaching of the Baptist Church. It must have been your specific church community/pastor that taught that
There is nothing special about her, she was a sinner just like the rest of us. There is only one who was special, or Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, praying to Mary will get you nowhere
@@marcusmoore5191 "There is nothing special about her..."
We agree that she was a sinner like the rest of us, but to say there was nothing special about her is going a bit overboard, Marcus. Even Gabriel, a messenger from God, said she is "blessed among women". That includes YOUR own mom. I sure as heck hope you have high regard for your own mom.
In my local language (Igbo language, the language of South East of Nigeria 🇳🇬🇳🇬)
There is no word brother, sister, cousin , aunty, and nephew in our language, we call everybody (nwa nne m) meaning son/daughter of my mother.
Even the person that is not your relatives , is also called son/daughter of my mother.
I think this is also the misunderstanding between catholic and Protestants
So interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Wow this is the first I have heard of this ever. Very interesting! I didnt know any language literally didnt have words for siblings but rather paired up relations with their grand-mothers!
Nigeria short
@@gardenguster5271 what do you mean? please explain
In the Ngas language of Plateau State, North Central Nigeria, every male Ngasman is referred to as molna or my brother and every sister is malna or my sister. This means that the person must not directly be your biological sibling. The Ngas agree that their historical roots can be traced to the Middle East where Jesus lived while in flesh and body like us. The terms brother and sister should therefore not be given literal translation.
It’s sad so many souls refuse to love Mary and respect her name as much as they should.
Amen
Mary died. Yet Catholics pray to her which is a sin against God & the Bible! Catholics are going to hell
Matthew 1:25 - Joseph did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son
@@trich103 , The Greek word for “until” (heos) does not imply that Mary had marital relations after the birth of Christ. In 2 Samuel 6:23, we read that Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child “until” the day of her death. (Rest assured that she didn’t have any children after that day, either.) Hebrews 1:13 and 1 Timothy 4:13 are similar examples.When we interpret any passage, we must consider what the author was trying to say. Matthew’s intent here is not to explain what happened after the birth of Christ. He is only concerned with the fact that Joseph and Mary had no relations before then. It is the virgin birth, not later siblings, that Matthew is concerned with.
@@Alfredo8059LIES & Deception
Jesus had flesh siblings. Too bad you all want to make a Jewish Married lady a forever virgin.
I just joined RCIA! 😁
Great! I converted in 2007. Second best decision I have made. The first one being submitting to Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.
God Bless. May you grow in faith
Congratulations! I converted in 2017! It has been so great.
@Linda Lo Linda why do you harass? What did a Catholic ever do to you personally?
Congrats 5sy Dragon! Welcome home!
Quite honestly, does it really matter if Mary was or wasn't a virgin for life? The main thing is that she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus. It was a spiritual conception. She was/is the mother of God. I don't know for sure if she was a virgin for ever. I don't think it matters.
It's more a question of sacredness: she was consecrated by carrying Jesus in her womb (He's God!) so another pregnancy would be like me using a sacred coup for drinking whiskey, like using the sancta sanctorum of the Temple for a secular party. So, if someone questions it, it feels like a desecration.
I believe its relevant in the sense that if you understand sacredness.
Mary was consecrated yo God for the specific sacred purpose of bringing Jesus into the world.
In scripture once someone or something is consecrated or set apart for God's use that person or thing cannot be used for anything else.
In the Bible wether you are speaking of the temple, the ark of the covenant, priests, and more in the old testament or of consecrated celibacy, the eucharist marriage or more in the new testament once someone or something is consecrated for God's purpose, to use it for another purpose would be a sin or worst a sacrilege.
The ark of the new covenant 4:17-20
The sanctuary 2 chronicles 30:8
The Nazirite vow judges 13:3-5
The offerings exodus 29:31-34
The priest exodus 29:1-9
I agree. The Bible doesn't say if Mary's cousin Elizabeth had any more children after she gave birth to John The Baptist and it doesn't matter so why not the same about Jesus? In the Old Testament women who couldn't conceive because they were"barren" or past child baring age became pregnant when God made it possible. The Bible is silent on weither some of these women had further children. Also not EVERYTHING is known about all the people in the Bible. For example we don't know of the family situation of all the prophets ie did they have wives/children/ biological brothers and sisters or the name of their parents? Did any of these facts affect the way they served God? No. In my view the fact weither Mary remained a perpetual Virgin didn't make any difference in Jesus' ministry and sacrifice for our sins. I'm a Protestant(Church Of Ireland) and in our Apostle and Nicene Creed we say that Jesus was "Born of the Virgin Mary" and that's it,no statement of weither Mary remained a virgin or not and therefore does it have any bearing on Jesus dieing for our salvation. Again no..
It does matter because it a supposed prophecy. Though some suggest the error of the whole story is greater. Example the bible gets this prophecy from a book called the torah, and in the torah it suggest nothing of a Virgin birth. Another error is that the torah suggest his name is Emanuel, Not Jesus.
........none of this is real lmfao
This was the issue that brought me from the Anglican to the Catholic Church!
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I guess you never read Matthew 1 carefully, then. Especially verse 25. smh. Whatta a simp.
@@davidhall2197 really? You sound like a reason I'm not a Christian aren't you spoke to speak to another in love yet ur calling names
This was really helpful. As a protestant I have been wrestling with Mary (not literally) for a while now. I am pretty convinced she stayed a virgin and is held in high esteem in the church. Knowing what the reformers said was equally helpful. Thank you for this video. Really good and informative 👍
My whole extended family is Protestant and I’m Catholic, and I never understood how much they insist that Mary was merely a vessel (I had a Protestant friend call her an “incubator”) but not special or worth praising in any way! I’m glad you understand the value of her in our lives as Christians.
@@annaluewho2473 imagine going as far as to demean the Mother of God just to stick it to the Catholics 🤦♂️
Matthew 1:25 says that Joseph didn’t “know” his wife until after Jesus was born. To say that a man “knew” his wife and then she conceived was used a few times in Genesis.
@@sailorarwen6101 that verse is merely emphasizing the virgin birth of Jesus. The word "until" as used many times in the Bible does not imply a future action. For example:
Genesis 6-7 we see: "At the end of forty days Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made, and sent forth a raven; and it went to and fro UNTIL the waters were dried up from the earth." But we see that Raven stopped returning well before that. That's why Noah then sends out a dove to do the scouting.
1 Corinthians 15:25: ”For he (Christ) must reign UNTIL he has put all his enemies under his feet.” Does this mean that Jesus' reign will end? Of course not.
The commentary of the Church Fathers further supports this interpretation:
St. Jerome AD 420: "So here the Evangelist informs us, in that wherein there might have been room for error, that she was not known by her husband until the birth of her Son, that we might thence infer that much less was she known afterwards. Lastly, I would ask, Why then did Joseph abstain at all up to the day of birth? He will surely answer, Because of the Angel’s words, “That which is born in her” He then who gave so much heed to a vision as not to dare to touch his wife, would he, after he had heard the shepherds, seen the Magi, and known so many miracles, dare to approach the temple of God, the seat of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of his Lord?"
Just imagine you were in Joseph's position. Would you touch the Mother of God?
Brian Sardinas you’re stating the obvious. I’m not questioning the virgin birth. It wouldn’t fulfill prophesy if Mary didn’t stay a virgin throughout her pregnancy. I’m pointing out that the verse says he didn’t KNOW her until after the baby was born. Which certainly means they continued on as a married couple once Christ was born. As evident in Genesis. “Knew” implies intimacy between husband and wife.
Really laughed at the "if you can get Jerome and Augustine to agree on anything... so true! Two great men who did not see eye to eye ... well done
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
Me being 💯 italian we always consider first cousin's as our brothers and sisters. So I can understand why Jesus call some brother and sister. God bless you Father your bringing more people into our faith.
Many cultures do it. That doesn't mean that people do not know who their biological brothers, sisters and cousins are, nor that every time such terms of relationship are used, they always have a cultural and not a biological meaning.
Extended family is still very important here too in the middle east, even till today. I think it's mainly north europeans and americans who are used to small families and find extend family ties weird.
In Mediterranean and Asian cultures, cousins are considered like brothers and sisters. Some cultures don't have a word specifically for cousin
This was not Italy now. It was Jewish culture 2 thousand years ago. It matters not if they were brothers and sisters, or cousins. She did not remain a virgin.
@@bcalvert321 Italy 2000 years ago was Roman and for Catholics and I think Greek Orthodox, too -- Mary remained a virgin
I understand this is a sincere and passionate issue for many people, so I do not take the issue lightly or disrespectfully. However, I do not understand the necessity or drive to believe she remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus. I understand why she needed to be a virgin prior to his birth, but why afterwards? Is there a prophetical or biblical reason necessitating it?
I understand the drive to believe this today may be driven in large part due to tradition and statements by the Church. However, was the earlier thought driven more by cultural values that virginity is a better, or more pure, way for a woman to live and thus Mary would be more pure because of remaining a virgin? If so, I would say the Bible tells us she was married. Having children during marriage is by no means less pure to God than virginity during marriage.
Good point. I used to think the same way-- though now, I tend to believe she is "ever-Virgin". Not better, but just because of who she is, and how she was and is called. And even if not a physical virgin (though I believe she was), she is the penultimate spiritual virgin, and totally "married" to God thru the Holy Spirit.
We will never understand the way that God thinks!
Why not just relax and accept His plan.
On a lighter side, and meaning no disrespect, if my older brother was the redeemer, the miracle worker, the great preacher, the Son of God, no less, ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!...
I might find myself getting a little frustrated from time to time..
Imagine having to listen to...
"Your brother always does his homework"
"Your brother never gets speeding tickets"
" Your brother makes his bed every morning"
Get the picture?
I will never understand God's ways, so I don't try.
Also, tradition tells us that Mary had taken a vow of perpetual virginity, and that St. Joseph knew and respected that.
Social customs of the day would not accept an unmarried mother, even the mother of God, so the child Jesus had to be raised in what would appear to be an ordinary family.
@@LS-ei7xk
If Mary had other children after Jesus then heretics would claim years later that Jesus came after she was no longer a virgin and that Jesus is not the Messiah. God preserved his OT ark of the covenant from profane use and there is no reason to think that he wouldn't do the same with his NT counterpart.
Virginity was not regarded as purity in a woman but poverty and not having children was regarded as a curse from God.
I did not know (as a Catholic from infancy) that the perpetual viginity of our Blessed Mother was rooted so early in Church history. Thank you for shedding light on a sometimes contentious topic.
@Linda Lo Thank you. I've already let Him in and He has already transformed my life. Of course, I'm still very much a work in progress. May Christ's peace be with you this Christmas.
@Linda Lo Jesus. Jesus died for me and paid for my sins, not the Pope. And we don't worship Mary, we only honor her as the mother of our Savior and for her obedience to God's call.
I sincerely suggest you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church so that you are better informed about what we believe.
@Linda Lo :
Poor Linda.
You sound so angry, and all that bitterness has hardened your heart.
Your hatred of Catholics will get you nowhere.
I pray for you !
As far as the Blessed Mother, WHO CARES, from a recovering recovering RC Catholic .
“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”
Matthew 13:55-56 NIV
You, Father Casey, is the reason why I converted to Catholicism. I LOVE YOU AND I THANK YOU FATHER
Converted from what
“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.”
Matthew 23:9 NKJV
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 1 Corinthians 4:15, NIV: Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
@@anti-antifa4064 That doesn't mean we ought to call someone our father as Jesus Himself told us not to do. Stop twist in scripture.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Okay so don't even call your own father dad? You're the one misinterpreting here. Jesus is saying our number 1 love and all our attention shall be on him, God.
A wise Jesuit once observed to me, “The private life of the Holy Family is none of our business.”
The resulting religion famously attempts to maketMary being a volcel everyone's business.
Why do we care if she was a virgin after the birth of Jesus? It doesn’t matter. It’s kinda weird how obsessed Christians are about virginity...
So what's your point?
It is related to her being pure of sin, just as she was pure of virginity.
You may say "Why does any of this matter"
It's important to have a knowledge on things. Christ said that you need the FAITH of a child to enter Heaven. Not knowledge.
That being said, you cannot have a faith, with little truth, you need the truth and facts to support it. There's a reason Christ taught when He was on Earth, then gave his teaching authority to the Apostles, then the Apostles to their successors and so on. Learning is important. If it didn't matter, Christ wouldn't have given teaching power to the Apostles.
@Anthony James not necessarily. It’s virginity when it’s A. Your calling. If you’re not called to be virgin (like being a father or mother) then it’s not admirable. It’s the opposite.
Mary was special because she was married, and by every standard she had her full right to lose her virginity to Joseph, but she denied herself for God.
@@Bashcutter Where does it say that?
Heretic
“And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”
Matthew 1:25 KJV
It doesn’t take a Bible Scholar to understand that “knew her” means intimate intercourse with her. As it clearly states, he didn’t “know” her until after the Birth of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ whom defeated death, sin and the grave and Saved my life 🥰
"And Saul's daughter, Michal, bore no children from that day on until the day of her death"
2 Samuel, 6:23
So, this tells us that Michal bore children AFTER her death?
You might want to watch the Breaking In The Habit video about how the writers of the Bible, along with plenty of other people, used the word ‘until’.
Yeah, because the bible was written in English, specifically the KJV one. By bible-only protestants to be even more specific.
@@alhilford2345 I really hope you’re joking. Either that are you just need to read that again. May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you
@@j.k.6865 my Bible matches us up with The Dead Sea Scrolls and Ethiopian Texts. Ethiopia has been worshipping Jesus Christ as God since the book of Acts. This is why it’s better to have your personal relationship with Jesus instead of having a person as your mediator to Jesus. Let the Holy Spirit lead you and guide you. Let God teach you about God. Man is fallible. Super fallible. Including your pope. Especially the pope. Worship God in Truth and Spirit. Not in Tradition
This is something that never ever occurred to me to question and I'm not even religious.
@Linda Lo I wonder why then if you believe in what you do so heartedly are you watching this video...🤔
God bless
@Linda Lo please ,show from the scripture where it says that Mary had more children.
@Linda Lo exactly thats what I thought ...see you are wrong this only says his brothers this does not speak about Mary's biological children and you won't find a single verse in scripture that says so either. Jesus brothers does not not mean children of Mary. If that were the case you ware also assuming that Jesus is the biogical son of Joseph because there are serveral verses scripture says Jesus is the son of Joseph and well no true Christian would believe that.
Not only that but you are also disregarding the fact that lot and Abraham also called brothers in scripture were not true biological brother and son but uncle and nephew.
Mary was consecrated yo God for the specific sacred purpose of bringing Jesus into the world.
In scripture once someone or something is consecrated or set apart for God's use that person or thing cannot be used for anything else.
In the Bible wether you are speaking of the temple, the ark of the covenant, priests, and more in the old testament or of consecrated celibacy, the eucharist marriage or more in the new testament once someone or something is consecrated for God's purpose, to use it for another purpose would be a sin or worst a sacrilege as scripture says so in the following:
The ark of the new covenant 4:17-20
The sanctuary 2 chronicles 30:8
The Nazirite vow judges 13:3-5
The offerings exodus 29:31-34
The priest exodus 29:1-9
By the way you don't have to see this virtue and Grace in Mary for it to be true. GOD saw this virtue in Mary when she called her full of grace. GOD didnt call her "half graced" or "only graced for now."
@Linda Lo I’m wondering how being so disrespectful of others fits into scripture? I have also noticed, as a Protestant myself (for now), at the sheer number of Protestants who live and die on the Bible alone, yet have not even read it all, and follow even less. 🤔
@Samuel Jennings
Well one could easily argue that Jesus didn't always follow Jewish custom, see Matthew 15, and Mark 7. Why did Jesus entrust Mary to John? Simple!
Matthew 12:46-50
While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! FOR WHOEVER DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN IS MY BROTHER AND SISTER AND MOTHER.” NKJV
John 7:1-5
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill Him. Now the Jews’ Feast of Tabernacles was at hand. His brothers therefore said to Him, “Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that You are doing. For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known openly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world.” FOR EVEN HIS BROTHERS DID NOT BELIEVE IN HIM. NKJV
Why would Jesus entrust His mother to his unbelieving brothers when His true brethren are those who do the will of God?
Matthew 10:37
He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. NKJV
Jesus clearly put brothers and sisters in the faith above those of biological family.
Mark 10:28-30
Then Peter began to say to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You.” So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time-HOUSES AND BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND MOTHERS AND CHILDREN AND LANDS, with persecutions-and in the age to come, eternal life. NKJV
I believe in what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary. But her virginity is not an issue to me personally.
True, it is not a salvific issue, however it leads the Catholic Church and those who hold to the perpetual virgin doctrine to further venerate and elevate Mary and to use her as an intercessor to Christ. There is only one Mediator between Man and God and that is Jesus Christ. There is no need to pray to Mary for intercession to Jesus. You can pray to him directly as he is our only advocate, intercessor, redeemer and saviour.
@@GazGuitarz while that is true, why do we offer to pray for each other?
BTW venerate is not worship
@@mickyfrazer786 We pray for each other so that Jesus Christ will hear our prayer and intercede on our behalf to the Heavenly Father, who will grant (if it is his will) what we have prayed/asked for the other person, to manifest in their life. (which is scriptural)
It is not the same as prayer to the "Virgin" Mary in hope that she, being the mother of Jesus, will intercede upon our behalf to her Son, who will then be moved to intercede upon her behalf to the Father. (which is not scriptural)
Prayer to Saints and the "Virgin Mary" are not scripturally evidenced. Yes, I appreciate that Catholics call Mary worship "veneration" however, if one is praying to her for any reason, I really can't see how that is just mere veneration. Prayer isn't the same as merely admiring/holding in respect, either a Saint or Mary's character. Prayer is only to be directed at Jesus, the Father or the Holy Spirit. We are not even allowed to pray to angels let alone other human beings. We don't pray "to" each other!
There is no need for such intercession from Mary, neither are we anywhere instructed in scripture to seek such intercession. Jesus does it all!
John 14:13-14
NKJV 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
Just obey Jesus' instructions and pray-to/ask the Father in his name and he will do whatever we have prayed/asked in order to glorify the Father, for we have full confidence that Jesus Messiah will intercede on our behalf directly. It makes no difference if you are praying for yourself or praying for another person or group of people.
Neither do you need to pray to Mary for forgiveness of sins.
1 John 2:1
NIV "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One."
May Heavenly Father's blessings and peace be upon you and your family.
@@GazGuitarz just because someone has passed does not mean they end. How else did Saul and Samuel converse in Endor? I must stress however that this does not mean our prayers are like necromancy, we draw not the souls back to this world or any such. This is meant only as proof through biblical teaching in the edited protestant bible.
Also considering Isralite or OT terms did they not venerate the Ark of the Covenant? Was it not carried into battle after and used to stop the waters of the Jordan? The same location John the Baptist ministered.
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. See Revelation.
She carried not just God's law but the Word of God!
@@mickyfrazer786 Amen. Amen!
When I was in college, I read the New Testament first in Latin, then in Greek. It was pretty clear that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
If Mary had other children, why did Jesus tell Mary "Woman, behold your son" in John 19:26-27? Being raised as a Protestant, I can tell you the meaning of this passage was never reflected upon.
Jesus was her firstborn so with Joseph apparently gone he had the responsibility to care for his mother. His last act before he died was to make sure she was taken care of. Nothing about this touching scene indicates Mary had no other children. Matt. 13:56 and Mark 6:3 show Jesus had sisters as well.
If for two millenia innumerable holy souls have forfeited their sexual faculties for the sake of the glory of God can anyone reasonably posit that the Mother of God could do less?
You are spot on! Look at the thousands of monks and nuns who live in chastity and poverty for the Glory of God.
@@fmayer1507 God bless you brother. Keep the OLD faith.
@@fmayer1507 look at the countless abuse that caused
@@samuelcalderwood1379 abuse is everywhere, and the highest number is inside families. So monks and nuns have it the less.
Prove the perpetual from the Bible not what people say. Does it really have any value to our salvation?
I went to Christian Brothers Catholic School for 11 years and never heard this nonsense. We were told that after Jesus was born Mary became the wife of Joseph and it's possible Joseph was married before and had more children. All this seems to come from some Irish convent! Thank God I become a Lutheran went I got married.!
The problem arose when The Church decided it couldn't just say "We don't know" and leave it at that.
Question: Why do you (Catholics) want Mary to be a virgin?
Listen to Mary's words: And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
Mary admits that she needed a Saviour and that The Lord Jesus was her saviour,
We agree Mary needed a saviour. Inmaculate Conception dogma says she was preserved of sin by God's power and grace, Who reconciled her with Himself from the sin of Adam. If He hadn't, she would have need his forgiveness after sinning, and if refused, she would have ended in hell. We all desesperatelly need the Doctor: we simply believe one of us got the vaccine and the rest get the medicine.
This said, virginity doesn't have anything to do with the Inmaculate Conception. I'm a virgin and still a sinner.
@@giovannimartini6405 The Word of God does not support your theory.
For "All" have sinned....
Do you not believe that Mary is included in "All"
@@hisgroup3870 Yes, but Jesus isn't included either and that doesn't mean He was a sinner. If you want to explain a community how salvation works, you don't quote exceptions, much less when the exception is just one person set apart for an irrepetible and unique mission. It's the same with the old quote "sexual abstinence always avoid pregnancy". A lot of Christian biologists can say it every day and they're not denying virginal conception.
@@giovannimartini6405 Jesus IS GOD.
Jesus has no sin, never did, never will.
Jesus took UPON Him the sin of the world.
He was tempted in every way, yet was without sin.
THERE IS NO ARGUMENT or DISAGREEMENT with JESUS :)
Back to Mary.
Mary needed a Saviour to deliver her from her sins.
Mary is not the mediator between God and man, ONLY JESUS CHRIST is.
Mary is not the go between, between man and Jesus Christ.
We have The Holy Spirit that will lead and guide, and teach and bring to our remembrance ...
The catholic 10 commandments are different to The Word of God, why?
Graven images...we see them all over the catholic faith, plus, plus ... (which we will not go into here).
Read Mathew 1:25
"and did not know (like Adam knew Eve to reproduce and have/experience pleasure in the union of marriage) her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS." (inserts mine)
Joseph and Mary consummated their marriage. Why must this be denied?
@@hisgroup3870 My rule number 1 is "don't move to another things which has nothing to do unless the former is closed", like faith and works (through you may be really surprised if you actually listened to us).
A couple of things:
1) Calling cousins 'brothers' is far far more widespread than to Semitic languages.
2) Mary's ever-virginity can be deduced from the Scripture. Whenever the Lord requires something to be dedicated to Him, it must always be something completely unblemished, unused previously and be put to no other purpose but for the Lord. Heck, Christ wouldn't even ride a donkey that was ridden before.
And yet Jesus spent a lot of time with prostitutes sinners and those who were sick. I don't think Jesus avoided anything on earth that wasn't holy.
@@TheMoonSeesMe Oh of course. But that's the difference - He chose Mary because it pertained to His holiness, and He didn't avoid prostitutes and sinners because it pertained to their holiness.
Lk 19,30. And His tomb was unused too (Mt 27,60).
Where are your scriptures stating these things?
@@BibleIllustrated She was never Holy.
As a Methodist, I remember all through my Sunday School classes, hearing that the reference to His brothers was possibly/likely as step-brothers, consistent with Wesley's belief
Honest question: Is it respectful to discuss whether or not God's Mother always remained a virgin? It really doesn't seem like anyone's business, and it just comes across as a little too weird. That's my take on the matter.
I do understand what you are saying but the problem is in what the Catholic Church has done in adding non biblical characteristics to Mary, coming only short of calling her a goodess although there are many catholics who do worship her.
1. She was never immaculately conceived (born sinless)
2. She never ascended bodily into heaven.
3. There is no biblical title of Queen of heaven except for a demonic idol in Jeremiah or other pagan godesses.
4. Matthew 1:25 clearly states that She had sexual relations with Joseph after Jesus was born. So term ever virgin clearly shows that the Roman church exalts itself above God's word.
@@ronaldlatchman1268
It's almost funny. There is NO Biblical requirement to source doctrine from Scripture. So the funny part if that you re using something you added to Scripture to complain against Catholics for adding something to Scripture. nd funnier still is that the inventor of Sola Scriptura disagrees with you and claims that Mary was Ever Virgin.
As for point 4, did Michal in the OT have boy or a girl?
@@bridgefin Sola Scriptura - the most ironic doctrine of them all.
@@bridgefin 2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for *DOCTRINE* , for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
You said that there is no biblical reference by which we should take doctrine from the bible. Well I believe I just cited a clear one from the Bible. Were you referring to a different Bible or were you taught that in catechism class.
I hear many catholics complain of the many varying interpretations of scripture from protestants resulting in many different churches and I agree with them on this issue.
But it's almost equally confusing when I have to hear many different catholics having varying beliefs on many issues within the same church.
I do not follow Martin Luther. I follow/believe some of his doctrines that he taught because they are biblically founded.
What he has contributed to the modern world, along with other reformers, is that they risked their lives to ensure that I have a bible in my hands and in my language so that I can study it to show myself approved unto God according to PAUL'S Instruction.
Well I can see post reformation that the catholic church also realised that Jesus no longer had a problem with the Bible being in the people's language.
Jesus probably realised that Martin luther, et. al, were correct and conveyed it to the Vicar of Christ a little late. But as they say, better late than never.
Well the biggest welth a woman has is vutginity,God take flesh and blood from her,God didnt want to takd that,so with a miracle way let her virgin.
Father,
Great video today on the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception!
This point just came up 2 days ago with an RCIA catechumen. I will be sure to share this video, accordingly.
Blessed Advent,
Dcn. Paul+
@Linda Lo um, the jokes on you...Jimmy Swaggart says the same thing you just did yet people call him Brother Swaggart all the time
@Linda Lo :
Wrong again!
I am an old catholic and I am learning more and more every day. Thank you Father.
As a protestant, the best argument ive heard so far is that Mary's womb would have been symbolic of the holy of holies in the tabernacle. The one place where God dwelled on earth. A place so holy that, if you entered unworthy, you could be struck dead. Could anyone even fathom that place being used in such a way?
I live in India and any cousin in all Indian languages are called off as brothers. So I assumed it was same at that time in Palestine and the rest of middle east region just as it's now.
There was a word already for cousin in the original language, so why then would the worlds for brothers and sisters be used?
@@sailorarwen6101 the bible has gone through hundreds of translations and in the root books it is clearly seen.
@@kevinjohnson1246The Greek is what he is talking about and it was taken from Hebrew.
@@sailorarwen6101the fact that’s a word doesn’t mean people use it. Like the example cited in the video of Abrham calling his uncle of the word they use for brother 😊
Thanks for clarifying Father. This has been a battle with protestant friends. God bless
The revelations of the Holiness of Mother Mary through Joseph's dream and the Heavenly intrusions at Jesus's birth would have impressed on St Joseph the regal spiritual status of his Holy wife. He would have lived in reverence of her and upheld his task of caring for the Holy Mother and Child rapturously.
This is the second video of yours that I watched. You did a good job on this one, presenting the orthodox view on the subject, while acknowledging that there is at least an argument to the contrary.
Lutheran here, who adheres to the historic Catholic (and historic Lutheran) position of Semper Virgo. Thank you for addressing this topic so thoughtfully and patiently. I actually really appreciated that Calvin quote, and I find it quite true of those, especially among Lutherans, who DO try to persistently argue against this teaching.
Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.
I also wrote this comment now. Read Isaiah 60 : 14 brother. We can't see when prophecy happen wright.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
@@gereamiaosea6659 you are in error. The bretheren here are just this bretheren not brothers. I.e. relatives. The prophecy is clear. The door by which God enters will be forever closed.
I am surprised by people who pretend to go only by the book (oh BTW, who gave the book it's authority? That's right! The Catholic Church!) are ignorant of the way bretheren and brother is used in both old and new testament. If you need a course just ask 😀
1 Corinthians 7 says a husband and wife should not withhold themselves from one another. If Joseph withheld himself from Mary, he was in sin. If Mary withheld herself from her husband, she is not sinless.
Your final argument is a logical fallacy: "A bunch of people agree therefore it must be true." Truth is not determined by popular vote.
I believe that scripture verse says for a time of prayer, by mutual consent.
@@LS-ei7xk It says they are not to withhold themselves from one another, except for a period of time and by mutual consent. Then, they are to come together again.
1 Corinthians 7:3-5 "3 The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control."
from a man's point of view. if i was saint Joseph i honestly could not bring myself to have sexual relationship with The Mother of God. no way.
My husband said exactly that when I was asking all of these questions and discerning the Catholic Church
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
@@gereamiaosea6659 to put it simply without all the Bible quotes. why did Jesus leave his mother Mary in the care of St John if he had Brothers?
As a Protestant, I’ve never considered the perpetual virginity of Mary to completely... necessary. I don’t have any problem with it either. You did bring up some interesting points that I hadn’t considered before, specifically that the doctrine goes so far back as to nearly the very foundations of Christianity itself. I had always thought it was an early medieval invention, not that really know why I would think that.
I might reconsider my position in the future.
As a catholic, I agree with you. Maybe she was maybe she wasn't.
I had my Protestant phase and while certain Catholic doctrines made more sense to me this was unnecessary in my eyes back then so I do get why you think that. I eventualy reverted back to Catholicism and it was clear in a "heureka" moment.
Catholic Productions with dr. Brant Pitre was very helpful so I highly suggest it if you want to go into this topic.
@@chippanapatcha1679 what about it?
It just says they didn't have sexual intercourse when she was pregnant. It never says they had it after she gave birth.
They are some examples in the Bible. For example, Paul is telling Timothy what to do untill he visits him, but this doesn't suggest Timothy should stop doing this when Paul arrives.
May God gives us wisdom.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
@@gereamiaosea6659 yes that’s true she did have other children and also here’s what Roman Catholics believe. They believe that she was like a forever virgin and had Jesus as her only child and claimed that she was sinless and the mother of God and the spouse of God and the Queen of Heaven and Queen of the whole world. But the Bible would say otherwise about what Mary did.
Perhaps Father forgot to quote St. Thomas Aquinas.
"We believe that just as the Mother of Jesus was a virgin, so was Joseph, because He placed the Virgin in the care of a virgin, and just as He did this at the close of His earthly life, so He did do it at the beginning (of His earthly life).
If the Lord was unwilling to commend His Virgin Mother to the care of anyone except a virgin, how could He have borne the fact that her husband had not been a virgin and remained as such"
The answer to this question in one word:
Yes.
Bernard Bernstein - It certainly matters. Mary (being an innocent 13/14 year old girl), is said to have been a virgin to the day she died - even though she conceived by the Holy Spirit (remote artificial insemination) & she was chosen as a surrogate mother - to make it more understandable. Having other biological children is not acceptable even if she was married to Joseph because he was old & chosen by God to father and give stability to Mary & her baby - Jesus. Procreation between Joseph & Mary wasn't part of the divine plan, hence Mary did not at any time have sexual relations with an earthly being - therefore the children had to have been Joseph's from previous marriages or a previous partnership.
Fr. Casey, this is the first time I've been told there is/was some documentation of some sort - confirming Mary's virginity throughout her life on earth in what you have named the 'Proto Evangelium of James #8- 9'. (even though not officially widely accepted). I'm sure most Catholics have never heard about this piece of James' works. 😊Is this made up or was it really hidden/written in the 2nd century (120 AD) in a? gospel?
@@patthompson8591 I am ignorant about a lot of things, and I get most of the things u r saying and agree with them, I just question using the word surrogate. Surrogate suggests it was not her egg that was used by the Holy Spirit. That there was an embryo implanted in her. Can u explain this?
@@marciecowan172 My attempt at explaining Mary's pregnancy is made perhaps not knowing 100% how these miraculous occurrences take place. The only way we could be close to 100% correct is if we could establish from Jesus' DNA if Mary's egg was used.
My understanding - (correctly or incorrectly) is that one can be a surrogate mother by lending your womb:
1)using one of your own eggs
*OR* lending your womb
2)with a fertilised egg from another male & female
for the purposes of providing a natural environment for the ensuing embryo to flourish & grow to maturity.
In case 1) Mary consented for her egg to be fertilised by the miraculous Divine *Spirit* of God without surrendering her virginity as an earthly woman. Bearing in mind - NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD. This is my understanding in view of our increased knowledge in obstetrics today.
@@patthompson8591 I read somewhere that it was written by some early Christian(s) in an attempt to "explain " Mary's perpetual virginity, and was therefore not considered "canonical ", which is why it's not in the Bible. However, there are some religious artworks that portray St. Joseph as an old man, so there was some belief in this theory. But, ultimately, this theory is considered a false teaching, because the arduous journey the Holy Family made to Egypt would have been too much for an elderly man.
Well, let’s say she stayed virgin or she didn’t. What would be the significance of these all in our salvation? I am catholic but just like to focus on Jesus alone. The virginity of Mary when she conceived was significant in order to know that Jesus was conceived through Holy Spirit. After that, if she got married and had children, it doesn’t make her less of mother of Jesus. So why do we need to argue about all that? As long as the Bible doesn’t say clearly, it is all about interpreting it in two different ways.
I can't think of a way that it would affect our salvation because our salvation is through Jesus, not Mary.
Got it! Thank you Fr. Casey!
The perpetual Virginity and the Immaculate Conception are Critical dogmas for salvation.
Mary had to be a Virgin to fulfill the Prophesy of Isaiah.
Mary had to be conceived without original sin so that Jesus' human nature would be also conceived without original sin.
Mary was Created just as God created Eve, without sin.
And the Seed of the woman will crush Satan's head.
If Mary wasn't a perpetual virgin conceived without original sin, the prophesies of the Old Testament would have not been fulfilled. And we now that they were so understanding the Marian dogmas is critical for salvation.
I believe its relevant in the sense that if you understand sacredness.
Mary was consecrated yo God for the specific sacred purpose of bringing Jesus into the world.
In scripture once someone or something is consecrated or set apart for God's use that person or thing cannot be used for anything else.
In the Bible wether you are speaking of the temple, the ark of the covenant, priests, and more in the old testament or of consecrated celibacy, the eucharist marriage or more in the new testament once someone or something is consecrated for God's purpose, to use it for another purpose would be a sin or worst a sacrilege.
The ark of the new covenant 4:17-20
The sanctuary 2 chronicles 30:8
The Nazirite vow judges 13:3-5
The offerings exodus 29:31-34
The priest exodus 29:1-9
She’s my mom, you can come over and meet her if you’d like. Not kidding she really was Jesus’s mom and I made lots of promises and agreed to lots of restrictions in this lifecycle to for that. Best mom in the universe by far
My brother soldiers I served in combat with, I truly love you guys. My brother workers who sweat with me in our manual labor in the mill, thank you, you give me purpose, focus and strength. That is how I look at brotherhood. Having been in the Middle East by Er, Babylon, and elsewhere. It’s not hard to imagine that 2000 years earlier, anyone who lived there was a brother that lived in the tribe of the area, related or not. Great explanation of a sometimes confusing take of the Bible... gangs of today go by the same creed...
I started listening to all this and I was skeptical so I went over to my bible and guess what....just in Matthew 1:25, it says that Joseph did not consummate their marriage *until* she gave birth to the son. This is very clear that there was a consummation of the marriage. It is right there in the bible. Matthew 1:25, I will applaude you if you can find a way to reinterprete this to have a different meaning other than what is in scripture. Many are making all sorts of arguments that sound reasonable but the bible speaks for itself. Sorry Friar but your whole video has been annulled by this one piece of scripture.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
@@gereamiaosea6659 nicely said. All these ideas mentioning her as Queen of Heaven and all that are false. By doing that they encourage people to revere Mary, pray to her and even put their trust in her. Sad but this ideology is leading people astray. Just watch mexican telenovela scenes and you will be disgusted. They can say, O Holy mother Mary, protect us, Holy virgin do this for us. Casting God aside and trusting in the created thing instead of the creator is idolatry.
2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to (until) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she died?)
1 Timothy 4:13: Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes?)
1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? By no means! Luke 1:33 says, “he will reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”)
So perhaps "until" doesn't mean what you think it means.
@@kdmdlo No it means she never had any children.
Please watch Total Onslaught by Prof. Walter Veith.
Thank you Brother Casey, very clear, smooth and convincing as always. Great resource for my religion class!
Yes, but in Cyrillic
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HEY!!!
You watch this too (I’m not saying you can’t watch this, I’m saying that I didn’t you watch this)
@@cathoinu4265 Yup sure do :-)
It's nice to see you here!!
Yes, but in Syriac Aramaic
I pray that one day you get 1 million subscribers (& beyond) ❤️
The idea that "brothers" meant cousins is not consistent with the pericopes. When Jesus returned from the Wedding at Cana, it says he returned to Capernaum with his Mother and brothers, and his disciples. This means they likely lived together in the same household. If they were cousins, there would have been nothing significant about his cousins being there, since it was so close to Nazareth.
I never comment on anything but just wanted to ask how do you reconcile men portraying Mary as pure for her virginity and no discussion of women on the topic? I’m a professor and critical scholar and I have always wondered this because we know that men have forced women to see purity as virginity and I don’t feel that it’s equitable and has been pushed by many women critical scholars. Any thoughts on this? Is it just men throughout the ages defining what Good women are and in turn, holy women?
I'm not a priest or anything, but a good number of female Saints have been mothers (like Rita of Casia) or simply non-virgins, I recommend you to look it up. Also, chastity is highly valued on men too, think of Jesus Christ Himself.
Do you always view ancient history through 21st century lenses?
I didn’t even know people thought she was a virgin all her life until a couple years ago, the Bible repeatedly references Jesus’ brothers and sisters. But I haven’t watched the video yet so maybe you’ll explain that. I’m not a member of a church but am drawn to probably orthodoxy or Catholicism most. I do, however, know the Bible very well. If she remained a virgin? Poor Joseph.
After watching.... hmmmmm you made some good points here. You might be right. I will ponder.....
If you desire more food for thought, I would be happy to share what has been shared with me.
God bless you, through our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
@@LostArchivist Absolutely! Share away! ☺️
The Essenes were a branch of Jews who practiced chastity from about 2bc to 2 ad .They wanted at all costs keep their purity for this they renounced the body and all pleasure to please God . God bless !
@@rainastor4789 Alright. Any particular topic or topics that confuse you or you would like to know more of? I have essentially a library's worth of resources.
@@LostArchivist oh my gosh..... I have so many! There are Catholic things, for instance, that seem hugely meaningful and I don’t even know why. This one also has to do with Mary. The Rosary to be specific. I used to roll my eyes at Catholics for “praying that repetitive nonsense” instead of just talking to God. And then I started praying it just to see. The mysteries open my heart. I actually bought four Rosaries, each specific to the four groupings. Why? Why should saying matter? Unless Mary is like God how can she even hear them all? And yet it pulls me into the life of Mary and of Christ in such a deep way and I DO feel heard. There are things like that that don’t even sound reasonable and yet .... Why do Catholics believe Mary can hear, care about, or in any way intervene on behalf of so many people without being Deity?
Mary and Joseph made a vow of virginity before they even met. Read "The Mystical City of God" by Maria of Agreda
Connie Aguayo Amazing book
And Maria of Agreda knew this how? Let me guess...a vision? a dream?
The Blessed Mother is and always be there for us. She is truly a Virgin and is our heavenly mother. Pray us Queen of Heaven and Earth. Your children need you more now than ever.
Mother most pure, Mary is Immaculate conception, She is the most beautiful lady with a golden heart.
Just imagine, there are people who think they are better than our dearest mother. I'm so proud of her, I love her but not more than Jesus does. Imagine getting a heavenly proposal, wow, and called favoured one.
If mother Mary, is the choice of Abba Father to be mother of Jesus, then she is indeed "Special"
@Linda Lo in fact the scripture says "there is no queen of heaven" so when the catholic church says she is the queen of heaven are they saying the bible is wrong or are they saying something else?
@@sunflowerrayne6026 :
Where does scripture say there is no queen of heaven?
@@alhilford2345
"Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
Jeremiah 7:17-18, KJV
The only time anyone is refered to as queen of heaven its not for a good reason. Anyways how can mary be the queen of heaven if she is not Gods wife? He is the King.
@@sunflowerrayne6026 The reasoning that the Catholic Church gives for Mary being "Queen of Heaven" is because of the claim that it follows Davidic Tradition of the "Queen Mother" which was the original form of a queen in Israelite Culture. The Problem with that is it doesn't hold up in Scripture at all, and one would think that, with all 11 Apostles (after Judas obviously), the Gospels being written, Paul's Letters, and even Jesus Himself, there would've been some mention of her position had this been the case. Rather, Jesus took a moment in
Luke 11:27 (As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”)
Jesus had a PERFECT opportunity here to exalt Mary, or rather, reveal to others the position of "Queen of Heaven" as the Catholic Church has supposed. Jesus could've simply said "Yes" and that would've been it, but He didn't.
Also, the "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah was referring to the false goddess Ishtar of Babylon, the supposed wife of the false god Ba'al. I'm happy to see that someone did their research and I'm happy that I'm doing mine. I was raised Catholic and for the longest time I held to these beliefs but then something happened. I opened my Bible, lol. I felt convicted by the Holy Spirit before that when trying to say the Hail Mary and so I stopped for a time, and then I started reading Scripture more and more and found nothing to support the claim, but rather found Scripture that pointed elsewhere (that is, Mary having not been a virgin perpetually).
It is an ongoing journey and I'm open to discussion on either "side" so to speak, but the lack of understanding of Scripture on the Catholic "side" is extremely disheartening, but not surprising. But what truly disturbs me is that Mary has been referred to as a "mediator" by some, and as we know, Christ Jesus is our only Mediator between Man and God. So, as time goes on, and I see some people present biblical evidence to the contrary, it seems that many Catholics in their responses seem to only double down without any defense. Not all, but too many. Again, I am a Catholic and it disturbs me. In many cases it seems irrational, or at least it likens to when people just shake their heads when hearing something they don't like, but they cannot prove is untrue. So, again they double down. As someone who is a Catholic, but is re-examining doctrine, that is not a good representation of someone who knows what they believe. Again, I'm not judging or saying that ALL do this, but too many. I think people need to open their bibles like I did and THEN relate theological interpretation to Scripture and judge for themselves. Mary's constant virginity, or lack thereof, does not inhibit one's salvation in Christ Jesus in the slightest. God sent Jesus to save the world, not Mary. Thank you and I hope to hear, or read lol, what you have to say. I'm pleased to see someone in this thread that has a similar opinion/view as I do. Peace be with you and may God bless you in the Name of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
What a breath of fresh air compared to "normal" TH-cam fare.
😍Mary the immaculate Conception
The immaculate conception kind of contradicts that Jesus was the only human without sin... (Im not anti Catholic i just don’t agree with that dogma)
@Linda Lo Catholicism is not a lie, it errors in many ways just as every church is not perfect, but it is still a Church Of Christ (Im a Traditional Lutheran deeply considering Anglicanism/Trad Anglicanism or Anglo Catholic
@Linda Lo Truth be told you might know Satan personally if this is the way you treat fellow Christians!
@PersianMafiaThug May God always be with All churches that stay true to Christ no matter what sinful clergy may be in the ranks of the Churches!
@@YTShortsHub99 if mary was a sinner how will u justify that jesus is God, can jesus have the blood of a sinner? Can jesus live and have a blood be educated by someone who is the slave of the Devil? Think 🤔
even tho I’m not religious at all these Catholicism in focus videos are really interesting thanks for all the hard work
Did not Jesus have a half brother named James, who was the chief spokesman for the Apostles at the Counsel at Jerusalem in 51 A.D.?
There were two apostles called James. One was the brother of St. John, and they were the sons of Zebedee and Salome.
The other James was younger, and usually called James the Less. His father was Cleophas and his mother, Mary, was a close relative of Mary the mother of Jesus, (possibly even a sister).
This James is often called the brother of Jesus.
James the Less is considered to be the first Bishop of Jerusalem.
He was killed by being beaten to death in A.D 62
Whether or not she remained a virgin after giving birth to Jesus has no bearing on God's plan for our salvation. TBH, even if she did bore children after Jesus, I see nothing wrong with that. Afterall, *she is Joseph's wife.* Nothing wrong with a married couple having kids of their own.
Not unless she is the New Ark of the Covenant - that no one but the holiest of holies was allowed to touch. I was with you on your opinion until I heard it explained from this perspective.
@@blujeans9462 : so much for Matthew 19: 6 then... poor Joseph.... 😥😥😥😥
@@blujeans9462 I agree, but that doesn't help those who believe that implies that women who give birth to children are somehow then less holy? The only verse that comes to mind, is when Paul states that women will be saved by the bearing of children. If Mary was already "pure", then she didn't require this. Was it a prevalent idea that because of Eve's sin, women ought to bear children, to be redeemed, because it is the judgement of God in Genesis? In which case, if Mary were born without original sin, she would not need to bear children. Again, just thinking aloud here...
@@LS-ei7xk Good points. In the end, does having children really help in our salvation. Many Catholic religious, of course, would disagree. :-) As brides of the Church their faithfulness is only to her. All others, should they decide marriage is their calling, then bringing new souls for God is a huge responsibility - and not without a lot of sacrifices. That is why the Church teaches us that our first responsibility is to raise them to love and honor God, first and foremost. Of course - they are born with free will - and may not follow your lead. As long as we did our best to form their foundation - I believe that is what Paul was referring to. But never stop praying for them - sometimes, when you least expect it, they come back to the fold!
Call me a heretic, but I find the idea of redemptive motherhood disgusting. Women are saved the same way men are. Motherhood is a good way to achieve holiness, but not the only nor the better way for anyone.
A follow up video specifically on the belief that Mary remained a Virgin during childbirth and suffered no pains in childbirth would be appreciated.
Since Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant, how could childbirth take away her virginity? You know a broken hymen doesn't always equal loss of virginity, right?
To quote the council Father cited "Gave birth to him without corruption, equally inviolate after the birth". To say Mary was a Virgin during birth is to say she did not experience the normal labor pains associated with birth.
@@jeremysmith7176 Read Isaiah 66. The whole chapter. You will see that it mentions that Mary gave birth without labour pains.
@@iontach9844 That's the reason I personally don't believe in the painless childbirth. Ancient people needed to believe it as a logical consecuence of her being an ever virgin, but now we know virginity doesn't work this way. Some women don't even have an hymen.
@@giovannimartini6405 yet somehow she conceived without intercourse. God can make all possible.
Our Most Holy Mother is truly ever virgin!
Show me in the scriptures where it says that. Blessed does not mean Holy by any definition but by the Catholic Church. There is nothing in scripture saying she was born sin-free. So-called church history is not the Bible. It is man-made to be used to tell and church history only. It cannot overrule scripture.
@@bcalvert321 , Scripture never says Virgin Mary had other children. Please, refer to Scripture. Assumptions say Mary had other children, not Scripture. It 's important to note that no one is ever described as "the son of Mary" but Jesus. Your assumptions cannot overrule scripture.
Eve was born sin free. The early church fathers understood Mary as new Eve.
You can believe your own assumptions, Catholics rather believe Scripture: "But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
Jerome and Augustin didn't get along. I think that sequel is coming :D
They've already reconciled.
That right Father!
Mary is ever virgin
She's also our example to follow God's will
Allow me to share this video 🙏🙏
@LC F. No it is not. There is no evidence in scripture that tells us that Mary was a perpetual virgin. See my post above. She is one example of following God's will but Jesus Christ is our exemplar!
Did not know her till she gave birth to Jesus. And Jesus had brothers . So she gave birth but still had other children??? And no dont get me wrong Mary is blessed and I respect her for bring our Lord into this world. Read the word please
@@nabululeuria1891
that what you said but as a a real catholic I believe Mary is ever virgin. I don't push somebody to follow what I believe in my faith. Btw, thanks for your opinion
@@GazGuitarz well I'm a Catholic and I believe Mary is ever virgin. God's work is impossible for men like us. But I never ask you to believe what I believe. For sure you don't know about the dogmas of Catholic church. But are you a catholic?
Read my comment. I said "also" which means there is someone else which I can see to follow God's will and He is Jesus himself. I didn't say Mary is the only example.
@@nabululeuria1891 Exactly. I also have the greatest admiration for Mary. I don't even mind calling her the Virgin Mary, because she was a virgin and gave birth to Messiah. However, scripture says nothing at all about her having any perpetual virginity. Matthew 1.25 in every version of the New Testament that I can find, including the Douay-Rheims Bible (translated from the Latin) states that Joseph did not have marital/sexual relationships with Mary until after Jesus was born. If they didn't have any sexual relationship post Jesus,, why would it be mentioned at all? Sexual relationships bring children and that fits with the Gospels account of Jesus' brotherrs and sisters. There is just no way around it unless you ignore scripture and decide that Church Fathers 400+ years later knew more than the apostles. Mary's perpetual virginity is first promoted by Jerome (a Church Father) some 400 years after Jesus ascended to heaven. There is no mention of perpetual virginity anywhere prior to Jerome. The Gospels were all well and truly written by the time of Jerome, so one would think that such an important doctrine would have been in the New Testament.
Anyone wanting to learn more about Mary , im reading the book Behold your Mother by Tim Staples.
He talks about this is a little more detail also .
Want even more detail, read based off of Blessed Anne Cathrine Emmrich's visions, Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Life of Christ. Very descriptive and explains many traditions origins and about some things that are either being kept hush on or yet to be discovered.
If Jesus's "brothers" were actually cousins, and Joseph didn't have more than one wife, wouldn't he be the Virgin Joseph as well? I've never seen this anywhere in my (admittedly limited) studies, and never heard anyone refer to him as such. I think the idea that Joseph was married before or had more than one wife makes more sense. On the other hand, I don't think Mary's virginity after Jesus' birth is that big a deal. If she did have other children with Joseph, it would have been completely natural and not have been a sin.
We know little about St. Joseph, other that he was a just man
There has always been speculation that he was widowed and had other children but nobody has ever been able to come up with documentation.
An unmarried woman with a child would have been unacceptable in that society, in fact, she would have been stoned to death, so how could the Messiah survive?
Mary had to have a husband.
One who knew the whole story and who would be her protector.
It is Catholic belief that St. Joseph was also virgin.
"We believe that just as the Mother of Jesus was a virgin, so was Joseph, because He placed the Virgin in the care of a virgin, and just as He did this at the close of His earthly life, so He did do it at the beginning( of His earthly life ). If the Lord was unwilling to commend His Virgin Mother to the care of anyone except a virgin, how could He have borne the fact that her husband had not been a virgin and remained as such "
( St. Thomas Aquinas )
This refers to Jesus, from the cross, entrusting Our Lady to the care of St. John, as He had no brothers or sisters to care for His widowed mother.
If a child is called first-born, then 100% probably the same woman also has a second-born child.
This is the main reason why the Nordic Evangelical Lutheran Churches teach that Mary had other children after Jesus because the Bible doesn't call Jesus Mary's only child but it call Jesus Mary's first-born child
This was clear, cogent, and refreshingly wide-ranging. Though a Calvin admirer, I did not know that he took the classic Catholic position on Mary's perpetual virginity as did Luther, Zwingli, and even more surprisingly, John Wesley in the 18th Century. Thank you for this, I shall recommend it to my Reformed brethren.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
Happy feast of the Immaculate Conception y’all!
All lies.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
@@gereamiaosea6659 I can agree with that.
Really ecellent video Fr! Would love a similar one to share with a friend questioning Mary's perpetual sinlessness / the immaculate conception!
So when the bible says all have sinned its lying? It realy meant to say all have sinned except mary or is there another scripture that shows mary was sinless? This part never made sence to me.
@@marglam6123 I am doing my best with youtube on what I can and have read the catechism, I am not catholic and anytime I ask questions its odd I dont get answers. I dont even know if catholics know the answers about there own church sometimes. I live with catholics and they are the same always want me doing more church courses or going to there stuff instead of trying to break things down or explain in person. Videos only do so much I would like if someone actually helped. I guess for now the answer is Mary couldnt have lived the rest of her human life sinless it wouldnt be possible because the bible says all have sinned.
''Mary's perpetual sinlessness / the immaculate conception!''
That is also an unbiblical doctrine. Mary is never said to be sinless anywhere in the NT.
@@sunflowerrayne6026 According to scripture, Mary was a sinner like all the rest of humanity. The bible never acknowledges Mary as sinless. Christ is proclaimed sinless by John, Paul and Peter, but Mary is not. It's a commandment of men.
How do you read "And he had no union with her until AFTER the baby was born," then?
@@chippanapatcha1679
That's not what Scripture says. It says: He had no relations with her until she bore a son,* and he named him Jesus.
It means only that Mary was the virgin prophesized to be the mother of the Messiah. She had not relations right up until she bore Jesus. That's ALL. And that is the way that Scripture often uses the word "until". Take for example:
2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to (until) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she died?)
1 Timothy 4:13: Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes?)
1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? By no means! Luke 1:33 says, “he will reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”)
So the word "until" proves nothing at all. Disagree? Then tell me if Michal had a boy or a girl.
@@chippanapatcha1679
Not just Catholics.
Martin Luther: It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a Virgin."
John Calvin: "Helvidius has shown himself too ignorant, in saying that Mary had several sons, because mention is made in some passages of the brothers of Christ."8 Calvin translated "brothers" in this context to mean cousins or relatives.
Ulrich Zwingli: "I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin."12 Zwingli used Exodus 4:22 to defend the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity.
When Protestantism began it affirmed Mary's perpetual virginity. But you changed your doctrine. Since God does not change his mind that means either that you are wrong now or that the foundation of Protestantism is sand.
@@chippanapatcha1679
You pointed out things to me which were wrong. The word "until" often means exactly what Catholic doctrine implies that it means. Do you understand that now?
And you claimed that Catholics have a problem and didn't knw that the founders of Protestantism had the same beliefs. Catholics know that the kings came later than the birth of Jesus. We don't know when Jesus was born. And I think you are trying to stretch the bible into offering a commandment about trees that I have never seen.
@@chippanapatcha1679
I could answer your issues all day long and what good would it do? I answered your "until" issue effectively. And then you dropped it. Why? Then you claimed that this was a Catholic issue. I then showed you that it was fundamental to the beginning of Protestantism. Did you ponder or acknowledge this? No, you complained that Catholics don't accept your attacks. When your attack is true I will accept it. When it is not I will refute it. Your attacks above were not true. So either tell me that Michal had a boy or a girl after she died or else acknowledge that your argument was faulty.
I used to be Protestant. One very disingenuous tactic that they use to discredit Mary is to teach that sin-nature is passed down only by the father and not the mother. They call this the father-line model. The only problem is that there are ZERO verses in the Bible that teach this doctrine, it’s just something they made up in order to say that Mary wasn’t special or divine in anyway. But we Catholics know that you can’t have a pure, sinless man be born of a sin-cursed woman; it’s just not possible. She was preserved from the stain of original sin so she could bring God into the world.
So....why does it even matter whether or not Mary was a perpetual virgin?
It's more a question of sacredness: she was consecrated by carrying Jesus in her womb so another pregnancy would be like me using a sacred coup for drinking whiskey. So, if someone questions it, it feels like a desecration.
It matters because it's the truth. That's why it's an article of Catholic doctrine.
This episode could be called "brother from another mother"
Thank you father for honestly and frankly tackling this question, for me as a Catholic.
Joyce, please don't ever put anyone's opinion or teaching above the word of God. The Bible is perfect and sufficient as a foundation for our faith. God clearly tells us that the marriage was consummated after Jesus' birth. Read the gospels for yourself. (Matthew 1:25)
@@KathrineJKozachok who put the bible together in the first place?
@@justin36004 God did. Next question?
@@KathrineJKozachok so god just gave the apostles a hard copy of the Bible?
Matthew 12:47
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Luke 22:31-32
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
This is a good video, but it would have been complete if it had examined one of the verses that gave rise to groups rejecting Mother Mary's perpetual virginity: Matthew 1: 24-25: “When Joseph awoke; he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home. He had no relations with her UNTIL she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.“
How about Mary's virginity is none of our business?
Yes it is.
It is an important consideration.
Melanie Toth consideration of what? What does Mary’s continued virtue after Christ was born have anything to do with us being saved through the blood of Jesus?
@@sailorarwen6101 Because it shows two completely distinct views of holiness, one communal and concrete, the other utilitarian and distant. It informs our beliefs of who God is, how he reveals himself and how he is to be worshipped.
You did such a good job teaching on this. Totally convinced me any bringing up some great arguments. Thank you
Eusebius in his History of the Church gave enough informations about the identity of the so called brothers of Jesus. They are not children of the virgin Mary!
Jesus at 12 lost by his parents and found in the temple: It seems Mary and Joseph didn't have other child at that point of time, which is strange for a 12 years old marriage. It would be ridiculous to think that it is only after 12 years, they started to make a bunch of babies.
It matters not if they had children or not. There is nothing anywhere that says she was forever a virgin.
@@bcalvert321 There is nothing anywhere that says Joseph died before the public ministry of Jesus !
And there is nothing anywhere that says she was not a virgin forever!
This is where typology comes out!
@@hervedavidh4117 Sorry but as many say on here the proof are those with the belief. There is nothing in the Bible saying she was always a virgin. If Joseph had lived while Jesus was doing His ministry there would have been an account of that. Most Bible scholars believe this.
@@bcalvert321 The Argument of silence cut both ways. There was nothing on the Bible saying she was not a perpetual virgin. So the belief of first christian communities is important in the case.
If christians during the first centuries of christianity believed she was a perpetual virgin, why should we believe the contrary? (Even Luther believed Mary was a perpetual virgin).
@@hervedavidh4117 I don't care what Luther believed. Catholics are bid on tradition. So were the Jews at the time of Christ. One of those traditions was 1, to consummate the marriage, and 2, to have a lot of children. The angel never said she could not have other children. Catholics are putting things into scripture what is not there. What first Christ communities are those, 100 years after she died?
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Good arguments. I'm convinced! This channel is great!
Did you hear the beginning part where he says the Bible isn't the only source of God's truth?
What do you think about this?
Kudos Father Casey, incredible work, can you please do all the 4 dogmas of Mary?
I understand the ever virgin concept through meditation/silent prayer, suddenly it's just make sense.
There’s no question. Accepted until the revolt.
Romans 3:4 Let God be true, and every human being a liar.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel” (Isa. 7:14).
She was a virgin when the Holy Ghost overshadowed her. A virgin is clean and untouched.
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother, Mary, was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:18).
Joseph was so disappointed that he wanted to leave her. We can imagine the feelings he had. “Then Joseph, her promised husband, being a just man, not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.” He wanted no scandal but was aggravated and therefore decided to leave her quietly. “But while he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary, thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Mt. 1:19-20).
Here we find the first statement that Mary who was espoused to Joseph later became his wife. Those who read the context will find out that Joseph acted precisely according to the instruction given unto him. “… did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son; and he called his name Jesus” (vs. 24-25). This is a very clear statement. Only after the birth of Jesus Christ had they family relations. From this marriage, four sons and daughters whose number is not given came forth. “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?” (Mt. 13:55-56). This is the scriptural truth. All other ideas which are meant to honour Mary are purposely formulated and invented.
The issue of the Perpetual virginity of Mary has less to do with the doctrine itself as to the dogmatic exclusion of Christians who disagree with the doctrine from the Church. As a protestant, I tend to believe that she eventually consummated her marriage to Joseph after Jesus birth. Matthew 1:25 says that Joseph "knew her not until she had given birth to a son," but I also see no need to reject a person's Christianity and see them apostate or heretics if they believe she remained a virgin. The same with the Assumption of Mary. As a Protestant, I tend to think she probably was taken to Heaven at her death (or even before) -- otherwise, we probably would have a shrine to her tomb to this day -- but to make it a mandatory dogma of the church is a step too far. As a Protestant, I believe that no person should be refused communion with God's people based on secondary doctrines which can't be found in Scripture itself. Even if we accept the argument that there are traditions that were not included in Scripture that the Church becomes the witness of, they can't be Salvation necessary doctrines. And if someone is excluded from the one true church, it better be over damnable issues.
"Destroy the reputation of Mary, and all Christians are easy for picking"- Satan
even in Philippines, we call some people ate/kuya, meaning brother/sisters even not our blood
I'm still not so sure
While the evidence of Jesus' siblings being Joseph's offspring pre-Mary-marriage is very possible, it also doesn't mean Jesus didn't have siblings through Mary. Beyond that, Mary not having more children also doesn't mean she's still a virgin. It would only mean she didn't give birth again.
From what I can tell, her perpetual virginity is not just "not in the Bible," it doesn't seem to really be discussed at all as an idea until a century or so before the early Middle ages. There just doesn't seem to be evidence beyond a tradition created at earliest like 350 A.D. whereas some of the copies of some of the cannon texts date earlier more like 100 A.D.
It doesn't seem (to me) like this was part of oral tradition. It seems like it was spawned later, perhaps to make some point in a book or letter or something after anyone who knew more details of Mary's life would be dead, and it went unchallenged by many thereon.
I'm not saying it's wrong. Just that I'm unconvinced. I don't know. I don't think it's necessarily that big of a deal as it doesn't like, contradict the Nicene creed or something like that if Mary didn't remain a virgin. I just think there's not enough evidence either way to make any claim, even if through faith
Roman Catholics are wrong about Mary because they believe that she was a forever Virgin and had Jesus as her only child and that she was sinless and was the mother of God queen of heaven and queen of the whole world when the Bible says otherwise. They also worship Mary like she’s a god or a goddess and think that she can hear their prayers and blessings and call her their mother and they choose her over Jesus and bow down to statues of her and kiss her feet or they would rub the statue of her stomach like rubbing the statue of Buddha.
@@henkaistudio Sorry you are wrong. We Roman Catholics do not "worship" Mary. We honour her as the mother of our Saviour, and in the same way you might ask a friend to pray for you, we ask Mary to pray to God for us. Thats all
God Bless
She would most likely have other children if she engaged in intercourse with Joseph, there wasn’t DIO, pills, etc back them. Nature would just work
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. (Matthew 1:25 )
"The Affirmative Argument
Now let’s look at some reasons to believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity. Among the many we could examine, we will briefly consider three:
1. In Luke 1:34, when Mary was told by the angel Gabriel that she was chosen to be the Mother of the Messiah, she asked the question, literally translated from the Greek, “How shall this be since I know not man?” This question makes no sense unless Mary had a vow of virginity.
When we consider that Mary and Joseph were already “espoused,” according to verse 27 of this same chapter, we understand Mary and Joseph already have what would be akin to a ratified marriage in the New Covenant. They were married. That would mean Joseph would have had the right to the marriage bed. Normally, after the espousal the husband would go off and prepare a home for his new bride and then come and receive her into his home where the union would be consummated. This is precisely why Joseph intended to “divorce her quietly” (Mt 1:19) when he later discovered she was pregnant.
This background is significant because a newly married woman would not ask the question “How shall this be?” She would know-unless, of course, that woman had taken a vow of virginity. Mary believed the message, but wanted to know how this was going to be accomplished. This indicates she was not planning on the normal course of events for her future with Joseph.
2. In John 19:26, Jesus gave his Mother to the care of John even though by law the next eldest sibling would have the responsibility to care for her. It is unthinkable that Jesus would take his Mother away from his family in disobedience to the law.
Some claim Jesus did this because his brothers and sisters were not there. They had left him. Thus, Jesus committed his Mother to John, who was faithful and present at the foot of the cross. This claim betrays a very low and unbiblical Christology. As John tells us, Jesus “knew all men” (cf. Jn 2:25). If James were his uterine brother, Jesus would have known he would be faithful along with his “brother” Jude. The fact is Jesus had no brothers and sisters, so he had the responsibility, on a human level, to take care of his Mother.
3. Mary is depicted as the spouse of the Holy Spirit in Scripture. In Luke 1:34, when Mary asks the angel how she will conceive a child, the angel responds: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”
This is nuptial language hearkening back to Ruth 3:8, where Ruth said to Boaz “spread your skirt over me” when she revealed to him his duty to marry her according to the law of Deuteronomy 25. When Mary became pregnant, Joseph would have been required to divorce her because she would then belong to another (see Dt 24:1-4; Jer 3:1). But when Joseph found out that “the other” was the Holy Spirit, the idea of his having conjugal relations with Mary was not a consideration." -- Tim Staples, Catholic Answers, "The Case for Mary's Perpetual Virginity."
@@TheGraveMage Excuse me for going off topic, but I find your username quite amusing in light of the content of your post.
Denying the Perpetual virginity is the major cause of hatred and disrespect for Mary by Protestants. It is so sad that Protestants after Martin Luther chose error. I love the perpetual ever, Blessed Virgin Mary
You should direct your energies more to loving the Lord. The apostles had better things to do than to revere humans instead of giving glory to God and putting energy into doing his good works.
Anyone who does the will of the Father is my mother and my brother, well look at that, Paul did the work of the Lord so guess what, he was a brother of God, worship him. Stupid stuff all of this Mary thing.
And fact: In Acts is Mary's last appearances on the Bible. When She pray with the remaining apostles. In revelation,the woman who will conceive a son is not Mary
And Mary still continue her work as the leader of the death
Hi priar. As a catholic man. I truely believe that mother merry is still virgin. Amen. Message me if you want to get more explaination. Thanks
But why is it important that she remain pure and virgin , Thr Emaculate conception is a miracle as she was carrying the son of god so of course the birth was no gonna be conceived narturally and what’s wrong with her having biological kids , she’s only human after all , it just Catholic grandstanding and was used to implosion and abuse girls and women for centuries. I can accept her being a Virgin in regards to Jesus and that’s it
Just as no one could touch the ark of the covenant, Mary who is the new ark of the covenant would not have been touch by any men.
Nevermind the Bible says Joseph knew her after she gave birth, that means nothing
@@marcusmoore5191 apparently. Nor does it say that Mary was the new Ark of the Covenant. Would Christ not have been the "New Ark" so to speak since He is literally God in the flesh? Would Christ not be the Arc that saved His people from the judgment? Aka the flood?
"The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe a married couple never got down? Well, that's just plain gullibility. "
Here's my question--if Mary ended up having more children by her lawful husband Joseph, would believers think less of her? Otherwise, why is her state of virginity after birthing Jesus so hotly debated, unless it would demote her?
it didn't happen, so it's impossible to know. Her role is unique, nothing like it can ever exist, so we don't know.
Jesus, was often referred to as the Light of the world. Light, by it's nature does not break things, but passes through things without breakage.
Exactly!!!!
And we know by the Holy Scriptures that Our Lord revealed to 3 of his apostles his DIVINE and TRUE NATURE (Pure Light) during the TRANSFIGURATION.