Thank you for your kind words about Hyunjin. He is unbelievably gorgeous but also very kind, intelligent, incredibly talented as an artist, dancer, rapper, singer, performer, writer, composer, and producer. A once in a lifetime beauty and idol
24:27 This is so true tho as a Nswer since jypn the first member who captivates my heart is Lily, her personality makes her stand out the most, what we need us right now is a person like her "open minded" "supportive" and Not afraid to say something thru her heart without thinking just to make a person comfortable with her. That's why she is my bias, my Lovely bias.
기존에 아이돌들에게 부여되던 이성애적인 컨셉이나 어필등이 ’구시대적이다‘는 식이 된 것은 이제야 대중들이 고정된 관념적 틀을 인지하게 된 것이 아닐까 하며.. 아이돌들의 표면적 역할이 더 유동적이고 자유로워짐에 따라 반영되는 그 모습이 일차적으로는 더 아름답고 재밌고, 여성이나 퀴어들에게도 좋아하고 소비하기에 편안한 모습이 된 거 같다고 생각합니다👏 재밌는 컨텐츠 감사드려요 ㅋㅋ 특히 피원하모니 언급🩷
개개인적으로 퀴어들 심금 울리는 그 특유의 젠더 엔비 자극하는 비주얼을 지닌 아이돌들도 있지만 제가 생각하는 아이돌의 퀴어함의 근원은 .. 각자의 색깔이 너무 다른 동성의 또래 아이들이 모종(꿈이라거나 직업적인)의 이유로 가족에 가까운 공동체를 이뤘다는 점.. 요즘은 글로벌한 그룹이 많아서 그 공동체가 지닌 색이 더욱 다양하고 퀴어스럽다고 느낍니다 ㅋㅋ 특히 엔시티 언급하신 내용 전부 공감하면숴......
흥미로운 코멘트 감사드립니다. 저도 고개를 끄덕끄덕 하면서 읽었어요.😊😊 가족에 가까운 공동체를 이룬 그룹의 모습에서 퀴어함을 읽어내는 의견을 종종 보았는데 마침 저희 지난 시즌 방송에서 같은 이야기를 해주신 분이 계셔요! 흥미로우실듯 하여 댓글로 남겨둘게요! th-cam.com/video/NhZlY4nVFuQ/w-d-xo.html
Another I would really like to mention is Kevin from The Boyz. He is very much like Keeho. And Lily. He’s very outspoken on social issues, has shown and expressed support for the LGBTQ community multiple times, and his fashion, pictures and general vibe are queer coded like Keeho. In fact, like you said about Keeho, he is also one of the most obvious members of the community in K-pop 😅 He is probably one of my top favourite K-pop idols out there as a gay person and he is really adored by the queer community
On the topic of how crop tops and queer/non binary fashion came into the mainstream that you discussed, I think the answer for western countries specifically coincided with the rise of three things specifically, acceptance of homosexuality into the wider culture, reduction in toxic masculinity and new male beauty standards. And rather than one being a milestone that needed to be unlocked for the next one to come, they kind of evolved together. There wouldn’t be more acceptance of homosexuality if we didn’t see a reduction in toxic masculinity, as it is directly opposed to homosexuality, and the reduction of toxic masculinity goes hand in hand with allowing for mainstream male beauty standards to evolve. These three changes, which happened paralleled one to the other, is what I believe allowed for more queer looking fashion to break into the mainstream. Queer culture becoming embedded into the main, rise in awareness around toxic masculinity and evolving male beauty standards (both in terms of physical appearance and fashion. I would also say there is some acknowledgment of the queer history behind this change in the mainstream as well, while tho not being at the forefront. That is the case for western countries however, I don’t see the same thing in Korea, as homosexuality is still an issue and toxic masculinity, while different to the one in the west, is still somewhat prevalent.
Thank you for this refereshing concept from Korea! I'm a K-Pop fan from the UK and as a member of the LGBTQ+ community it's amazing to hear the views of my Queer non-binary family expressed and considered so eloquently. I think SM have a particular way of adopting queer tropes and imagery to their advantage all the way back to Super Junior and SHINee. As an LGBTQ+ activist since the 90s I'm so proud to see you carrying the baton forward with this content. Sending love from a UK auntie ❤
On the one hand, it is a pity that they do not talk about Seungmin's visual, but on the other hand, he is the prince of all Korea and this status is much better, his appearance is completely not typical for an idol, which allows him to cooperate with such a heavy suite as Loewe and Harry Winston.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about Seungmin's visuals. And yes, He is the prince of all Korea.😁 We always try to cover everything should be talked, but we often miss important parts.😂 we just wish, we get another chance to talk about him.
Your choices are so on point 👏🏼🔥 but I’d like to add Jimin from BTS, Hoshi from Seventeen, Seonghwa from ATEEZ, jaemin from nct dream, Nicholas/Wang yixiang of &team to the list ! They’re all known for their androgynous visuals, fashion sense and vibes (I was going to add wonbin too but he’s already here).
I just found out about this channel and as a queer K-pop Stan I'm so happy, I'm gonna watch all the videos. If you haven't cover yet it would be great if you'll invite someone who is a fan of ateez and dreamcatcher. And I really want to see whole episode about NCT and especially Taeyong. Thank you so much!!
그래봤자 외모지상주의에 기반한 조건적인 수용이고 사랑이잖아요? 아이돌이나 만화 캐릭터 아닌 퀴어들은 못생겼고 더럽다면서 배척하는 게 일반 대중들 팬걸들 인식인데ㅋ 일반 본인들도 결핍된 게 있어서 아이돌 덕질하는 거면서 되게 우월한 척들 많이 해요? 퀴어되면 일주일 못 버티고 손톱 깎아서 편지봉투에 넣고 있을 사람들이ㅋ
Queer international Stray Kids fan checking in - thank you for bringing visibility to our LGBTQ+ community! 🏳️🌈🙏 Felix from Stray Kids is also an ambassador for the women’s line at Louis Vuitton and describes his style as “unisex.” Last year, his hair was blue, and he also recently went on Risbae’s show to get his makeup done. Felix is often praised by international Stays for his duality and androgyny. While gender expression and gender identity are different concepts, and non-binary can look a lot of different ways, it is nice to see these conversations happening in Korea. Thank you for your efforts and I hope to see more representation, openness, acceptance, and love for our queer siblings in Korea and around the world. Sending love from the USA! 🏳️🌈✨💜
Sorry😥 While shooting video Because running out of time, We didn't notice jisung isn't there in that picture. But I know it couldn't be reason. It was a huge mistake. and It was clearly something that should not have happened. But If we made another video which mentioning SKZ again, We promise you we'll use picture of 8. Again, I'm really sorry.
![[Straykids] 찬이가멤버들을뽑은이유](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1AYwgeWP4Hs/mqdefault.jpg)
현진이는 독보적인 존재고 원래도 멋있지만 긴 머리가 더 매력적이고 진짜 최고예요
현진이 보자마자 클릭!
현진❤❤❤
Hyunjin is so freaking gorgeous
Thank you for your kind words about Hyunjin. He is unbelievably gorgeous but also very kind, intelligent, incredibly talented as an artist, dancer, rapper, singer, performer, writer, composer, and producer. A once in a lifetime beauty and idol
6:14 현진이 너무 이쁘져.. 싸이코 신메뉴 현진은 아이돌 장발에 한 획을 크게 그었음
아이들의 슈화도 예전에 라이브에서 퀴어지지발언을 했던 걸로 기억해요!
❤❤❤HYUNJIN❤❤❤❤❤❤
24:27 This is so true tho as a Nswer since jypn the first member who captivates my heart is Lily, her personality makes her stand out the most, what we need us right now is a person like her "open minded" "supportive" and Not afraid to say something thru her heart without thinking just to make a person comfortable with her. That's why she is my bias, my Lovely bias.
Hyunjin really looks so pretty
22:39 릴리 너무 자랑스럽다
Legendary✨️
Gorgeous✨️
Beautiful✨️
Tantalizing ✨️
Quality✨️
Here because of hyunjin in the thumbnail
The more you get to know Lily the more beautiful she becomes
Hyunjin is the epitome of beauty✨❤
현진이는 천년돌이지❤
Click when i see hyunjin ❤❤❤
기존에 아이돌들에게 부여되던 이성애적인 컨셉이나 어필등이 ’구시대적이다‘는 식이 된 것은 이제야 대중들이 고정된 관념적 틀을 인지하게 된 것이 아닐까 하며.. 아이돌들의 표면적 역할이 더 유동적이고 자유로워짐에 따라 반영되는 그 모습이 일차적으로는 더 아름답고 재밌고, 여성이나 퀴어들에게도 좋아하고 소비하기에 편안한 모습이 된 거 같다고 생각합니다👏 재밌는 컨텐츠 감사드려요 ㅋㅋ 특히 피원하모니 언급🩷
개개인적으로 퀴어들 심금 울리는 그 특유의 젠더 엔비 자극하는 비주얼을 지닌 아이돌들도 있지만 제가 생각하는 아이돌의 퀴어함의 근원은 .. 각자의 색깔이 너무 다른 동성의 또래 아이들이 모종(꿈이라거나 직업적인)의 이유로 가족에 가까운 공동체를 이뤘다는 점.. 요즘은 글로벌한 그룹이 많아서 그 공동체가 지닌 색이 더욱 다양하고 퀴어스럽다고 느낍니다 ㅋㅋ 특히 엔시티 언급하신 내용 전부 공감하면숴......
흥미로운 코멘트 감사드립니다. 저도 고개를 끄덕끄덕 하면서 읽었어요.😊😊
가족에 가까운 공동체를 이룬 그룹의 모습에서 퀴어함을 읽어내는 의견을 종종 보았는데 마침 저희 지난 시즌 방송에서 같은 이야기를 해주신 분이 계셔요! 흥미로우실듯 하여 댓글로 남겨둘게요!
th-cam.com/video/NhZlY4nVFuQ/w-d-xo.html
13:40 저도 텐이 좋아
TENLEE 🐈⬛💜🥹👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
TEN❤
현진과 트로이시반의 콜라보는 두사람이 베르사체 패션쇼에 참석해서 만났고 트로이시반이 현진이팬이고 콜라보하고 싶다고 방송에서도 말하고 개인sns에서도 현진이팬임을 여러차례 밝혀서 이루어진 걸로 압니다
But actually, Hyunjin is also a fan of Troye Sivan since him debut, I'm sure this collaboration was fascinating for Hyunjin
ㅋㅋ 그 쇼 . .마주앉아있던 트로이시반의 반응이 찐..이었죠 그 눈빛..
그후로 트로이시반이 sns로 이남자와 소통하는법을 물으니 스키즈의 팬 스테이들이 버블하라고 ㅋㅋ알려주는 것도 재밌습니다
Hyunjin ❤️❤️❤️🥺
소중한 내용의 영상 감사합니다 ㅜㅜ 몰랐던 퀴어한 케이팝 아이돌 분들을 많이 알게 되네요!
Another I would really like to mention is Kevin from The Boyz. He is very much like Keeho. And Lily. He’s very outspoken on social issues, has shown and expressed support for the LGBTQ community multiple times, and his fashion, pictures and general vibe are queer coded like Keeho. In fact, like you said about Keeho, he is also one of the most obvious members of the community in K-pop 😅
He is probably one of my top favourite K-pop idols out there as a gay person and he is really adored by the queer community
On the topic of how crop tops and queer/non binary fashion came into the mainstream that you discussed, I think the answer for western countries specifically coincided with the rise of three things specifically, acceptance of homosexuality into the wider culture, reduction in toxic masculinity and new male beauty standards.
And rather than one being a milestone that needed to be unlocked for the next one to come, they kind of evolved together. There wouldn’t be more acceptance of homosexuality if we didn’t see a reduction in toxic masculinity, as it is directly opposed to homosexuality, and the reduction of toxic masculinity goes hand in hand with allowing for mainstream male beauty standards to evolve. These three changes, which happened paralleled one to the other, is what I believe allowed for more queer looking fashion to break into the mainstream.
Queer culture becoming embedded into the main, rise in awareness around toxic masculinity and evolving male beauty standards (both in terms of physical appearance and fashion. I would also say there is some acknowledgment of the queer history behind this change in the mainstream as well, while tho not being at the forefront. That is the case for western countries however, I don’t see the same thing in Korea, as homosexuality is still an issue and toxic masculinity, while different to the one in the west, is still somewhat prevalent.
Thank you for this refereshing concept from Korea! I'm a K-Pop fan from the UK and as a member of the LGBTQ+ community it's amazing to hear the views of my Queer non-binary family expressed and considered so eloquently. I think SM have a particular way of adopting queer tropes and imagery to their advantage all the way back to Super Junior and SHINee. As an LGBTQ+ activist since the 90s I'm so proud to see you carrying the baton forward with this content. Sending love from a UK auntie ❤
It's really heart warming comment😊. Thank you so much. Our casts main job is also LGBTQ+ rights activist. They feel really proud.
Hyunjin's beauty is unmatchable. Any style or fashion match him specially when him with long black hair so good❤ his charm like a prince
먼가 그 미묘한 퀴어한 매력이라는게 남돌 본인이 대상화됨을 거부하지않는 (욕망당하는?)느낌이라해야되나 기호님셀카같은것도 그렇고
위에서 아래로 찍은각도, 올려다보는것도 그렇고
여자들도 그런이미지를 좋아하고 많이 소비하게 된거같은.. 2d와 아이돌쪽에 한해서?
적절한 단어선택이었는진 모르겠지만 암튼 그런느낌
On the one hand, it is a pity that they do not talk about Seungmin's visual, but on the other hand, he is the prince of all Korea and this status is much better, his appearance is completely not typical for an idol, which allows him to cooperate with such a heavy suite as Loewe and Harry Winston.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about Seungmin's visuals. And yes, He is the prince of all Korea.😁
We always try to cover everything should be talked, but we often miss important parts.😂 we just wish, we get another chance to talk about him.
텐은 신 !
Tenlee 🥹💜
XG!!! 😍❤️
thank you for mentioning XG ❤
oh what a cool video! loved this topic, and the different examples chosen to describe different aspects of nonbinary identity and symbols!
Ten💜
Hyunjin no solamente tiene un cara hermosa es súper talentoso y más hermoso exteriormente
Yes, TEN is beyond Human.
Hyunjin and Wonbin are my two favourite idols, so I got excited when I saw the thumbnail. ☺💝
Yesss, Wonbin🧡🔥
13:43 "마치 인간을 넘어선 무언가 같아요"
Stray kids is the one of the most popular groups in the world .
Your choices are so on point 👏🏼🔥 but I’d like to add Jimin from BTS, Hoshi from Seventeen, Seonghwa from ATEEZ, jaemin from nct dream, Nicholas/Wang yixiang of &team to the list ! They’re all known for their androgynous visuals, fashion sense and vibes (I was going to add wonbin too but he’s already here).
Tenlee😊😊😊😊 i love him
황현진❤❤❤❤❤
Lily ❤
Hyunjin❤
TEN🫶🏻
Keeho!! Even holland is his fan!🤭
would have been interesting if zb1 featured too. they have a member who used to be a bl actor and a member who specializes in queer style dancing
Actually, our gay cast talked about them on the next episode 😄
@@Official_Qplanet omg thank you !! looking forward to it
I just found out about this channel and as a queer K-pop Stan I'm so happy, I'm gonna watch all the videos. If you haven't cover yet it would be great if you'll invite someone who is a fan of ateez and dreamcatcher. And I really want to see whole episode about NCT and especially Taeyong.
Thank you so much!!
Ten
Keeho and p1harmony mention.😮
XG i loveee
I am a lesbian and NCT is my favourite omgg
Stray kids domination ❤
I love this 💗
기호님
릴황♡
원빈~~~ 🧡🧡
Riize❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
❤❤❤❤
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Felix❤
김 선우 없이????! 진짜요?
죄송합니다 ㅜㅜ 놓쳤습니다 ㅜㅜ
@@Official_Qplanet
아, 정말 아쉬워요. 그는 확실히 퀸이에요. 그를 확인해 보세요, 기대할게요! 🏳️🌈🦄🌈 김선우 ~~~
Felix describes their style as unisex. Felix actually seemed upset when members described them as "manly".
너모짧아욘
쪽냥즈 ❤
그래봤자 외모지상주의에 기반한 조건적인 수용이고 사랑이잖아요? 아이돌이나 만화 캐릭터 아닌 퀴어들은 못생겼고 더럽다면서 배척하는 게 일반 대중들 팬걸들 인식인데ㅋ 일반 본인들도 결핍된 게 있어서 아이돌 덕질하는 거면서 되게 우월한 척들 많이 해요? 퀴어되면 일주일 못 버티고 손톱 깎아서 편지봉투에 넣고 있을 사람들이ㅋ
Queer international Stray Kids fan checking in - thank you for bringing visibility to our LGBTQ+ community! 🏳️🌈🙏
Felix from Stray Kids is also an ambassador for the women’s line at Louis Vuitton and describes his style as “unisex.” Last year, his hair was blue, and he also recently went on Risbae’s show to get his makeup done. Felix is often praised by international Stays for his duality and androgyny.
While gender expression and gender identity are different concepts, and non-binary can look a lot of different ways, it is nice to see these conversations happening in Korea.
Thank you for your efforts and I hope to see more representation, openness, acceptance, and love for our queer siblings in Korea and around the world. Sending love from the USA!
🏳️🌈✨💜
너희들은 괴짜야 너희들은 길을 잃었어 너희들이 예수님이 너희에게 바라는 것이 무엇인지 생각했어? 너희들은 길을 잃었어 너희들과 너희의 역겨운 커뮤니티는 똥처럼 무너질 거야,
Go back to your cave. There's a place for everyone in this world. Your religion is one of many but you twist it to hate. You are a fool. 😘🐺🛸👽
? 느그 가정폭력 아빠에게 관심없는데 아빠 으스대는 건 뭐지?
12:31 wish💚💚💚
5:31 why use a pict from TH photoshoot? han jisung isn't there 😕 please use ot8 pict, skz is 8
Sorry😥 While shooting video Because running out of time, We didn't notice jisung isn't there in that picture. But I know it couldn't be reason. It was a huge mistake. and It was clearly something that should not have happened. But If we made another video which mentioning SKZ again, We promise you we'll use picture of 8. Again, I'm really sorry.
텐은 신 !