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3 Mediums to Create Realistic Bokeh Effect

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
  • Time for a deep dive into the bokeh effect! Three mediums, and a variety of levels of difficulty. What image would YOU put in front of one of these beautiful backgrounds? Keep an eye on my instagram this week to get even more ideas! (Supplies listed below, scroll down.)
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    00:25 Colored Pencil, beginner bokeh
    04:20 Watercolor intermediate bokeh
    09:48 Copic Advanced bokeh
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  • @bubbletip9836
    @bubbletip9836 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Man, I can’t believe how beautiful that rabbit came out

  • @liloutriskell31000
    @liloutriskell31000 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The watercolor rabbit is soooooo🙏😻👌🎨🦄🌸🦄🌸

  • @LakeTravelerFantasyMusic
    @LakeTravelerFantasyMusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love that rabbit so much! Of course the bokeh looks awesome too.

  • @marilynnellsworth4300
    @marilynnellsworth4300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I do TH-cam, so I won't see the other art that you are producing, I appreciate what you are showing and teaching on the bokeh. Thank you for your time and expertise, love your work and teaching style.

  • @yf4012
    @yf4012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sandy, your channel came up as a ‘suggestion’ and I couldn’t be more happy that it did - all I can say is “WOW”. Am an instant fan and have subscribed. “Thank you” so much for this video on bokeh, never dreamed you could do that with pencils! Every medium turned out ‘stunning’ and your detailed explanations were clear and very enjoyable to listen to. What an amazing artist you are!!!

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome! Glad YT suggested me for you…I love to share ❤️

  • @roswitawiechert7128
    @roswitawiechert7128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Phantastische Idee💡💡💡💡❣️❣️❣️

  • @maryannnewton4240
    @maryannnewton4240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The techniques you bring your students are worth a million. Thank you so much for your tenacity, strength of character and skill. What a glorious 3. I am blessed by your talent

  • @sharonwebb945
    @sharonwebb945 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beautiful! Never seen bokah art work… I loved all 3!

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello 👋how're you doing today hope you're safe over there?

  • @kate4986
    @kate4986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow, this is the most beautiful bokeh effects I've seen. Thank you for sharing your talent 💛

  • @magpiegirl3783
    @magpiegirl3783 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So excellent … great tips and a wonderful result in all mediums.

  • @janevance1694
    @janevance1694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gorgeous rabbit!

  • @estherjordaan4446
    @estherjordaan4446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! I like these methods a lot! Thank you for sharing. Love your tutorials!

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello 👋how're you doing today hope you're safe over there?

  • @lyndacupit4686
    @lyndacupit4686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow! Thanks for the teaching lesson! They are all so beautiful!

  • @evestree
    @evestree ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for sharing this!!! Best and most simple pencil technique I’ve seen!!! 🙏

  • @sharonhendricks9706
    @sharonhendricks9706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have never understood the huge interest in Bokeh.....I mean, I like it for what it is but I don't have a burning desire to create and re-create with it, if that makes sense to anyone. But I totally love watching you make it happen! And that rabbit.....well, anything with rabbits capture not only my attention, but my heart. That is beautiful. And I could spend hours watching you start and finish such pieces. Thank you for sharing and teaching the gifts you have!

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it’s because it’s an easy way to simplify a drawing. You can turn distracting elements into blurs far away and keep the focus on the subject.

  • @mfabucci
    @mfabucci 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stunning! I don't know which I love best - all magnificent! Thank you for teaching us!

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello 👋how're you doing today hope you're safe over there?

  • @danielapagliaro8025
    @danielapagliaro8025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just so much fun to watch you work!

  • @ovedaehiogu7991
    @ovedaehiogu7991 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for showing simple techniques without using expensive supplies to make beautiful art. I will be trying them!🥰

  • @Angie-pl3uw
    @Angie-pl3uw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven’t seen anything in bokeh to write home about-until I saw this! Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous! Thanks.

  • @CraftyAccents
    @CraftyAccents 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love the bokeh effect. I had never heard of it before, and you explained it so well! I have seen this effect on photos and paintings and always loved it.

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello how're you doing hope you're safe due to the covid 19 pandemic?

  • @lynnn3365
    @lynnn3365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Each of these effects for creating bokeh are great! But my favorite was the first one with the colored pencils. Wow! Always a joy watching your tutorials! Thank you Sandy for your time and sharing your talent with all of us. ; )

  • @jessicamaisonet917
    @jessicamaisonet917 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this video!!! Love these techniques looks super easy to do ❤

  • @MMGARC
    @MMGARC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First time on here and Holy Moly, this came out awesome - I can't wait to try it. Thanks!

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Welcome to my channel 🥰

  • @geminigirl68
    @geminigirl68 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the bunny is my favorite piece you've ever created! Love the bokeh tutorials! 💖💌💖💌

  • @providencevalleyfarm5270
    @providencevalleyfarm5270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You'ree a genius I will be watching much more. I can't believe I have never seen this technique with the strainer. I'm so glad I'm on your channel. I only found you a few days ago, but seeing you using the strainer has me convinced to spend this cold, snowy, spring day going through your channel! I bought strainers to sharpen my pastels-- instead of a pricey pastel sieve-- but using it for making powdered pencils is genius!

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just found a cool “sandpaper” with holes in it at the hardware store-stay tuned for that if it works as expected!🤣

  • @Dotalina33
    @Dotalina33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Im awestruck! It is wonderful and heart warming to see such talent. I truly am delighted to watch each piece come together. The rabbit picture is unbelievably realistic. I would love to say I will try this but I’ve discovered to watch your artwork unfold brings me great pleasure. What a wonderful gift from God you’ve developed and surely brings him joy.

    • @karenmcelroy9571
      @karenmcelroy9571 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your bokeh style is the best I've seen! I adore the bunny. I'd like to work on the concept of painting the background over the bunny.

  • @thefabuloustravelingartstu5119
    @thefabuloustravelingartstu5119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You made it look so easy. I loved seeing your face. What a doll you are.

  • @jillo4171
    @jillo4171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this series!! You're right, the copic one turned out beautifully!

  • @mendyhand3895
    @mendyhand3895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, gorgeous!

  • @user-if8bb5eq7p
    @user-if8bb5eq7p 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow! So easy and interesting. Thank you.

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are so welcome!

  • @bimmermom
    @bimmermom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh Sandy the watercolour rabbit as absolutely beautiful!

  • @AvalonDreamz
    @AvalonDreamz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good and useful tip! Thank you!

  • @joanhouston-pitts1361
    @joanhouston-pitts1361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed that tutorial. You made me want to try Bokeh.

  • @expressivepaper
    @expressivepaper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh my goodness these are all so beautiful! This is definitely one of those videos that needs to be saved!

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello how're you doing hope you're safe due to the covid 19 pandemic?

  • @donna5659
    @donna5659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love you technique! I’ve learned a lot from watching you. Thank you for sharing your wonderful talent with us!!! 💜

  • @kanchanamala9761
    @kanchanamala9761 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gorgeous

  • @ingridwalter4870
    @ingridwalter4870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG! Sandy you are a genius! So very experienced and talented. Thank you so much for showing.

  • @bethgray4151
    @bethgray4151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite is the rabbit. I am in awe of your talent.

  • @sherrywoods4630
    @sherrywoods4630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OHhhhhhhh,......and here I am trying so hard to keep the background color out of my focal point! I want to give all 3 a try. Thanks, Sandy!

  • @MsDebGem
    @MsDebGem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Sandy - that was fantastic!

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello 👋how're you doing today hope you're safe over there?

  • @nelidacolor
    @nelidacolor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh, these backgrounds are fantastic! I'm going to try everything!!

  • @enasasker1514
    @enasasker1514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the ideas it is amazing...thank you 🌺

  • @barcelonachair6487
    @barcelonachair6487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is truly stunning. I have been taking a break from art lessons for a while and this is the most inspirational way to return. I am about to binge watch your latest videos :) btw, Happy New Year!

  • @Doggymomma52
    @Doggymomma52 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful bunny❤❤❤

  • @deborahjohnston2808
    @deborahjohnston2808 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lovely!Well done💥

  • @loristory83
    @loristory83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing ❤️ all of these. I want to try it. Of course you make it look so easy! 😄

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello how're you doing hope you're safe due to the covid 19 pandemic?

  • @catherinevernet5103
    @catherinevernet5103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So gorgeous Sandy! Thank you for sharing your technics.

  • @pollywhitney
    @pollywhitney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sandy, I love this look. I’m going to try the watercolor on a card. Wish me luck. Thanks for your time in teaching all of us.

  • @annagray6491
    @annagray6491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never seen this technique before. It is amazing and so simple! Will have to give it a go! Thank you!

  • @carolinependleton8445
    @carolinependleton8445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So inspiring you are so talented thankyou.

  • @teresatsamis3221
    @teresatsamis3221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting, I’ve never seen this before !

  • @monicagarcia3369
    @monicagarcia3369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muy interesante .
    Ahora se me ocurren varias ideas al respeto.
    Muchas gracias 🙂

  • @joyfulldj
    @joyfulldj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    love the color combo moonglow and yellow. Never tried that. However used moonglow a lot for morning dew hazyness in backgrounds.

  • @ulrikaa1581
    @ulrikaa1581 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gorgeous pictures as always Sandy! Wow, that rabbit! 🤩

  • @masja1790
    @masja1790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That rabbit painting is everything ❤

  • @rannierodelasalagadlang1740
    @rannierodelasalagadlang1740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    number one ito sa mga paboreto kong items na na e Arts mo ma'am Godbless!

  • @annedixon7523
    @annedixon7523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really enjoyed watching you do those, absolutely beautiful, especially the rabbit. Thank you for inspiring me as always. You are so talented x

  • @54Lily
    @54Lily 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for generously sharing your God giving talent. Your enthusiasm and joy is a delight. It's such fun for 'hacks"' like me to expand our 'at home' art worlds.

  • @louisescherbain312
    @louisescherbain312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for showing this technique. Lovely work.

  • @BeverlyBaxley
    @BeverlyBaxley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sure enjoyed watching you create art. Your voice is very easy to listen to while you carefully explain your design. Makes me want to try it again. Your drawings are super.

  • @jaybee7307
    @jaybee7307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just incredible. Thank you for explaining what Bokeh is. Will definitely be trying these techniques!

  • @mendyhand3895
    @mendyhand3895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SO great Sandy. Thank you. Love these techniques! And my favorite colors- Bonus! YOU are awesome! 👍

  • @123craftygal
    @123craftygal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow! Three for the price of one😁😁. I’ve been wanting to attempt this for ages, now’s the time. Thanks so much

  • @cheri6905
    @cheri6905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOVE these, Sandy! The rabbit is wonderful, and plan to watch for your other videos this week!

  • @mekagooden4915
    @mekagooden4915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been searching for a tutorial like this for over a week and stuck on a certain painting. I couldn’t have found you at a much better time. I may even think it’s fate. So cheers I’m so happy and grateful to have stumbled upon your channel. New subscriber and I’m going to check you out on social media. I can’t wait to watch some of your other videos.

  • @denina81288
    @denina81288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I spent all afternoon doing your first bokeh step by step (I chose purples, grey and a touch of orange) and was delighted with the result. Never heard of bokeh before, it’s an amazing effect.
    Then your rabbit…….😭. I’ll need a month of afternoons 😟.
    Thank you for being so instructive and helpful. I love tuning in three times a week.

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻tag me if you post it, I’d love to see!

  • @Birdie359
    @Birdie359 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just love the watercolor! Really beautiful! They are all beautiful, but the watercolor really spoke to me.❤️

  • @patriciamoore9054
    @patriciamoore9054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great tutorial! Thank you!

  • @Bunny_the_Rabbit
    @Bunny_the_Rabbit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Bokeh is such a beautiful effect. I love the bunny but it looks like it's already hopped off to someone's home.

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m glad you said something-I hadn’t seen an order come through so I dug into it…I had set the “stock” to 0 somehow. 🤦🏼‍♀️ oops! So the bunny is still waiting for a home.

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello 👋how're you doing today hope you're safe over there?

  • @lizjanevski9042
    @lizjanevski9042 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant video - I’m so happy to see you create the pencil version as this is what I’m currently learning to do 😊 I don’t have a kneading eraser so I used some Blu TAC (like a putty that youcan stick like posters onto walls with - not sure what it’s called in the US) anyway I’m so happy to see you use the technique as that’s what I was doing too so glad to know I was on the right track 😊

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @sueellensherer5294
    @sueellensherer5294 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You said it: "It's magical!"

  • @Keanerock
    @Keanerock 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this, it's the easiest bokeh tutorial I've seen yet. I've subscribed, Can't wait to see what else is on your channel and what is to come. Loved the bunny btw x

  • @tanithlow4737
    @tanithlow4737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the rabbit, looks like mine in young. Now she is older and much bigger. Its a flemish giant. Thank you for your work. It is fantastic.

  • @tabea258
    @tabea258 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liebe Sandy, das hilft mir ungemein. Vielen Dank 🌺 ✨

  • @Nanakinsz
    @Nanakinsz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, Miss Sandy, this is wonderful! I can't even decide which is my fav!! ❤️

  • @madeleine4725
    @madeleine4725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this inspiring tutorial. Love your explanation about opposite colors. The results in all three artworks are amazing 🤩

  • @Momcat6
    @Momcat6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks so much for this- the watercolor is just stunning! So glad I found your channel

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm glad you're here....see you in another video! :)

  • @RitaMeterMaid99
    @RitaMeterMaid99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this. Thank you 😊

  • @1171
    @1171 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love it and will try it . Thanks, beautiful

  • @sheraaa9169
    @sheraaa9169 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow great thank you for sharing

  • @paulacarter374
    @paulacarter374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful thank you for sharing you are very good at explaining and teaching the techniques

  • @ursulabachman8226
    @ursulabachman8226 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sandy I love watching your videos. Very interesting techniques and ideas as to the different mediums.

  • @dencraftcreations
    @dencraftcreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow! Wow! I got am so inspired by what you just taught. I would have a hard time deciding which one I like best. You did a great job explaining and showing how to bokeh. Thank you so much for your time and experience.

  • @viviandibrell849
    @viviandibrell849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have some valuable techniques and I can’t wait to try them. Thanks so much for your fab videos!

  • @luizacordova7926
    @luizacordova7926 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gracias por compartir❤😊

  • @user-if8bb5eq7p
    @user-if8bb5eq7p 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this so much. Thank you!

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are so welcome!

  • @CouzCat
    @CouzCat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting tutorial. I LOVE the rabbit, so sweet & the fur is so realistic

  • @kathiegettinger8374
    @kathiegettinger8374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely amazing! Great teaching!! Thank you!!!

  • @betzie2
    @betzie2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love them all! I do more mixed media work but this is something I can definitely use. I always wish I could draw! Mixed media has opened up my world. I loved watching this and I think all three versions were fabulous! The first one blew my mind! Thank you….new subscriber. ♥️♥️♥️♥️

    • @SandyAllnock1
      @SandyAllnock1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome!🥰

    • @hurstjames6196
      @hurstjames6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello how're you doing hope you're safe due to the covid 19 pandemic?

  • @hygeiahealing6609
    @hygeiahealing6609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing!

  • @ZER0--
    @ZER0-- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm just off to strain some pencils (Whaaa?!). What a great technique. Love it, and will be trying it later. Thanks for the video. Good stuff.

  • @t.fedelis109
    @t.fedelis109 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buona Pasqua.ho visto adesso questo video e mi ha davvero rilassata.bravissima e grazieeee

  • @beccogiallo
    @beccogiallo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent demo and lovely artwork.

  • @Katerina-vm2ok
    @Katerina-vm2ok 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful work…and I just love your channel!

  • @annettehood-de8fr
    @annettehood-de8fr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What ?! I’ve never seen anyone do this with pencils. Beautiful. I need a tea strainer !
    2:07

  • @deborahreeder2901
    @deborahreeder2901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW! I especially love the bunny!

  • @ankesart2515
    @ankesart2515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a wonderful video. You explain everything so well. 👍

  • @donnagoode6923
    @donnagoode6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ok i see the like button.... where is the love button?!!!!

  • @rdfjfgjyfdhfghy67456
    @rdfjfgjyfdhfghy67456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The tea strainer hack is so smart!

  • @karenzemko6518
    @karenzemko6518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool backgrounds. You always manage to shake up my artistic brain, which is a good thing! TFS