I think Indonesia's best movement is that they marked both German's wings back. In a recent podcast, Indonesians said that they watched and analyzed German games thoroughly in the semifinal against South Africa. Germans used their wing-backs (Dumfreis and Raum) as the main characters in their tactic. Indonesian marked both players so the 3 German forwards players didn't have any ball supply and that's why their attacking didn't work. Unfortunately, the Germans didn't realize it and still used the same tactic in 2nd leg. So it's a win for Indonesia
@@aurorasandsadprose_ this is just not true, they were marking LB and RB as it is in the top tested tactic. They would have to be marking LWB and RWB which they were not.
@@FletchTheSauce the world champs said it himself, they knew that Germans key player in their tactics are their wingbacks so they set a trigger press to those 2
@@FletchTheSauce ah, i forgot to write the manmark parts, anyway, they did both manmark and trigger press, that's what they said, it's all came from their own mouth not me or the original commenter making up stuff
Sorry if i use the wrong term, but they did really said them self on this podcast th-cam.com/video/oLFNE1bTKGw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jPjaePJo7W6QNuLD Start from 56:50
The winner of the FM World Cup will be rewarded with going to the FIFA coaching license class right? I cannot wait for him to do this in real life. The Indonesian winner confirmed he will take that licence and become a full-time football coach. I cannot wait to see his actions in the future.
Really enjoyed the breakdown and the videos so far, would of been interested to see the system you would use to counter it. I think you touched upon it with the defensive wingers or changing system to a 4 back to free up the libero. Would of been good to see on FM as well as the board.
I dont know much abt the game, but i watched their podcast in my own language indonesian, they say something like while other team picking their wonderkid, and throw it on pitch while they have low familliarity with the tactics, their team just keep that familiarity high with that 4 2 3 1 gegenpress
Yea true, what i get form the podcast rather change tactic to counter enemy tactic they rather still use 4-2-3-1 but kill the best enemy player that make the enemy cant progressive the ball and make tactic is useless
For me 3 4 2 1 narrow with double SS would be a better option to mark their dms in build up and also can step up in a striker position that can cause trouble for their CBs to mark Germany team can also have their wingbacks to mark girmaldo and clauss and their BPDs on stopper to mark lookman and politano
Enjoyed the video. Yes would like an analysis of the Indonesia England Semi Final Guess Aarron lost due to matchups. I do find the 4231 double pivot in general as unstable and easy to play though. Thanks again.
Thanks for the video, lots of excellent points and definitely made me think how I'm playing now in my network game. I have built my team mostly around 3atb just for varietys sake. I've had good success overall, but now I have a new perspective what to try when things are not working out. For Germany, wouldn't one option been to move the CFs to AMCs to block Zambo and Seiwald (so 3-4-2-1 narrow)? That way they would have had a box midfield to match Indonesias 3 midfield players and could have left wingbacks to match Indonesias fullbacks. I don't remember how good Sule & Kimbembe are on the ball, but their passing options would have been more limited for sure as DMs and FBs are matched. And if they'd gone long Germany's 3CBs would have most likely been able to win against Fullkrug in the air and prevent nasty second balls. I don't remember Germany's AMC (bench) options so maybe they didn't have suitable players to play that way.
I do think that would have been a fair option. That's what they kind of tried by having the CF's on support. Shadow strikers would have been better. Again I think you just give too much time for Grimaldo and Clauss. For the sake of having 3 at the back for not that many good reasons imo
My question would be, if you were Grimaldo. Would you like Dumfries 10-20 yards away from you before he presses. Or all over you 4 yards away. Plus if you ever dribble past him he can recover and catch you quickly. (Reduce time on the ball as much as possible for highest passing/vision players)
I will just try overloading right side with 433dm right mezala, attacking wb, and right winger. Hope the center area will be wide open for other midfield to attack into. Zambo still gonna be a problem tho.
You mentioned in an older video that you run less intense counter attacking tactic when you dont have the players you need to run your normal tactics. I was wondering what that looked like? I have been trying for a few weeks to get a low block direct counter attacking system to work and I just cant figure out how to
@@Baller199755low block,low lines just not work in this match engine. They invite way too much pressure. It's much better to attack from the front and keep the ball in the opposition half as much as possible, while still counter attacking when possible. I may reduce my lines by one notch off of maximum or highest but that's about it. If my team doesn't have the stamina, work rate and natural fitness to pull off max press every game, then I will reduce the press for periods in games... Particularly when I'm winning. Prioritizing player preservation. Ps I don't like low block in real life, Southgate bored me to death. Offense in the best form of defense.
In games like this and in the North American save you are doing with people, do you set a limit of how many tactical changes you can make? Wouldnt there be scenarios where you swap for example your strikers to get good matchups on the cbs and then they swap the cbs to get good matchups on your strikers and suddenly you are in a never ending loop
@@CraigHeaton-q7p I have had this happen before in a draft tournament. We just kept changing until he gave up. Luckily no one in the network Save is as petty as me. Weirdly I don't take too much time during tactics I'm pretty quick. Other players just take longer so my games are nearly always over before others so it's not an issue.
Its bothering me since the moment ive seen indonesia tactics. They both are copies of top1 4-2-4 tactic and top1 4-2-3-1 ( which is the second best if you discard 4-2-4 variations) from fm arena website. Roles are the same, positions are the same, i havent seen individualized stuff but im pretty sure i know them all without looking, its so annyoing
@@cropsini in their defense there is a few tweaks with lines and some instruction changes. They used some work into box and play out of defense which goes against the meta. Stay wider on the full backs. This is just about enough changes for me to find it acceptable personally but I totally understand.
@@Frostypower the false rumour was the assistant manager the taller guy. the fact is he play since 2008 but the main coach(shorterguy) he played since 2023
@@FletchTheSauceit is true tho, he said it himself that he claim apple arcade for free from an app in Indo back in 2023, he join the fm community then he suggested that he should play the steam version, and he unbeaten eversince even in the world cup it self.
I think Indonesia's best movement is that they marked both German's wings back. In a recent podcast, Indonesians said that they watched and analyzed German games thoroughly in the semifinal against South Africa. Germans used their wing-backs (Dumfreis and Raum) as the main characters in their tactic. Indonesian marked both players so the 3 German forwards players didn't have any ball supply and that's why their attacking didn't work. Unfortunately, the Germans didn't realize it and still used the same tactic in 2nd leg. So it's a win for Indonesia
@@aurorasandsadprose_ this is just not true, they were marking LB and RB as it is in the top tested tactic. They would have to be marking LWB and RWB which they were not.
@@FletchTheSauce the world champs said it himself, they knew that Germans key player in their tactics are their wingbacks so they set a trigger press to those 2
@@DrthmN trigger press and man mark are two different things.
@@FletchTheSauce ah, i forgot to write the manmark parts, anyway, they did both manmark and trigger press, that's what they said, it's all came from their own mouth not me or the original commenter making up stuff
Sorry if i use the wrong term, but they did really said them self on this podcast
th-cam.com/video/oLFNE1bTKGw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jPjaePJo7W6QNuLD
Start from 56:50
The winner of the FM World Cup will be rewarded with going to the FIFA coaching license class right? I cannot wait for him to do this in real life. The Indonesian winner confirmed he will take that licence and become a full-time football coach. I cannot wait to see his actions in the future.
ini beneran? gila masih muda banget sih tapi keren kalau beneran
@@koisose0 katanya sih beneran waktu podcast di raditiya dika
3:17 politano is left footed and lookman is vice versa
Im watching your vids and your reading game is impressive man. And fm25 shoud have this tactical board in-game, game changing!
Really enjoyed the breakdown and the videos so far, would of been interested to see the system you would use to counter it. I think you touched upon it with the defensive wingers or changing system to a 4 back to free up the libero. Would of been good to see on FM as well as the board.
I dont know much abt the game, but i watched their podcast in my own language indonesian, they say something like while other team picking their wonderkid, and throw it on pitch while they have low familliarity with the tactics, their team just keep that familiarity high with that 4 2 3 1 gegenpress
Yea true, what i get form the podcast rather change tactic to counter enemy tactic they rather still use 4-2-3-1 but kill the best enemy player that make the enemy cant progressive the ball and make tactic is useless
gila ya gegenpress jurgen klopp emang the best
For me 3 4 2 1 narrow with double SS would be a better option to mark their dms in build up and also can step up in a striker position that can cause trouble for their CBs to mark
Germany team can also have their wingbacks to mark girmaldo and clauss and their BPDs on stopper to mark lookman and politano
I think you can achieve what you are suggesting much easier by playing 4 at the back. But yes would be better than what they did.
Enjoyed the video. Yes would like an analysis of the Indonesia England Semi Final Guess Aarron lost due to matchups. I do find the 4231 double pivot in general as unstable and easy to play though. Thanks again.
@@MrCardiffian you're welcome. I will review the game over the weekend and post a video next week.
@@MrCardiffian 4-4-2 the best pressing shape?
great vid as always
Thanks for the video, lots of excellent points and definitely made me think how I'm playing now in my network game. I have built my team mostly around 3atb just for varietys sake. I've had good success overall, but now I have a new perspective what to try when things are not working out.
For Germany, wouldn't one option been to move the CFs to AMCs to block Zambo and Seiwald (so 3-4-2-1 narrow)? That way they would have had a box midfield to match Indonesias 3 midfield players and could have left wingbacks to match Indonesias fullbacks. I don't remember how good Sule & Kimbembe are on the ball, but their passing options would have been more limited for sure as DMs and FBs are matched. And if they'd gone long Germany's 3CBs would have most likely been able to win against Fullkrug in the air and prevent nasty second balls.
I don't remember Germany's AMC (bench) options so maybe they didn't have suitable players to play that way.
I do think that would have been a fair option. That's what they kind of tried by having the CF's on support. Shadow strikers would have been better. Again I think you just give too much time for Grimaldo and Clauss. For the sake of having 3 at the back for not that many good reasons imo
Despite Fullkurg being great in the air. So is Tah, Indonesia were using the more overpowered 'low crosses.'
My question would be, if you were Grimaldo. Would you like Dumfries 10-20 yards away from you before he presses. Or all over you 4 yards away. Plus if you ever dribble past him he can recover and catch you quickly.
(Reduce time on the ball as much as possible for highest passing/vision players)
I will just try overloading right side with 433dm right mezala, attacking wb, and right winger. Hope the center area will be wide open for other midfield to attack into. Zambo still gonna be a problem tho.
You mentioned in an older video that you run less intense counter attacking tactic when you dont have the players you need to run your normal tactics. I was wondering what that looked like? I have been trying for a few weeks to get a low block direct counter attacking system to work and I just cant figure out how to
@@Baller199755low block,low lines just not work in this match engine. They invite way too much pressure. It's much better to attack from the front and keep the ball in the opposition half as much as possible, while still counter attacking when possible.
I may reduce my lines by one notch off of maximum or highest but that's about it. If my team doesn't have the stamina, work rate and natural fitness to pull off max press every game, then I will reduce the press for periods in games... Particularly when I'm winning. Prioritizing player preservation.
Ps I don't like low block in real life, Southgate bored me to death.
Offense in the best form of defense.
In games like this and in the North American save you are doing with people, do you set a limit of how many tactical changes you can make? Wouldnt there be scenarios where you swap for example your strikers to get good matchups on the cbs and then they swap the cbs to get good matchups on your strikers and suddenly you are in a never ending loop
@@CraigHeaton-q7p I have had this happen before in a draft tournament. We just kept changing until he gave up.
Luckily no one in the network Save is as petty as me.
Weirdly I don't take too much time during tactics I'm pretty quick. Other players just take longer so my games are nearly always over before others so it's not an issue.
@@CraigHeaton-q7p also most people won't switch their center backs because they will have a left footed one they will want to keep on the left side.
Great analysis
Hi, may I know why didn't you compete in FIFAe World Cup?
@@abdaf8706 I'm English, lot of players for England. Would gladly represent America in the next one
@@FletchTheSauce wahh that's great 👍🏼
Hope to get in-depth analysis on next tournament too.
USA as Second Nationality? 😅
@@FletchTheSaucewhy the US was not invited in this tournament
@@wahyumaulid3208 i would not know
how do you play ranked FM?
you have to stream and get invited or apply to play.
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I really enjoy your content mate, keep it up! Do you stream?
@@dylanzahra1712 yeah every Thursday on twitch I'm part of a network Save with 7 other North American based streamers
Its bothering me since the moment ive seen indonesia tactics.
They both are copies of top1 4-2-4 tactic and top1 4-2-3-1 ( which is the second best if you discard 4-2-4 variations) from fm arena website. Roles are the same, positions are the same, i havent seen individualized stuff but im pretty sure i know them all without looking, its so annyoing
@@cropsini in their defense there is a few tweaks with lines and some instruction changes. They used some work into box and play out of defense which goes against the meta. Stay wider on the full backs. This is just about enough changes for me to find it acceptable personally but I totally understand.
Kay, lets say you're right about that, is that lead to they're not deserve to win the game?
Who is Kimbappe though 😅
@@riyanprasetya8865 hahaa I know I'm an idiot
Put some gameplay
@@kgamezhd9399 next video I'll show load of the goals scored for you 😉
Indonesia main manager is only 1 year playin the game is what surprised me the most
This was a false rumour that since has been disproved though
@@Frostypower on recent (yesterday) podcast, the indonesian manager mentioned that he started since fm23 while the assistant started since fm08
@@maxraymondjonathan I heard on another podcast that it was a false rumour. But if that's not true I stand corrected
@@Frostypower the false rumour was the assistant manager the taller guy. the fact is he play since 2008 but the main coach(shorterguy) he played since 2023
Biasanya kita maen di rental sambil minum kopi dan merokok.
Permainan ini banyak yng jago di Indonesia......
Yg penting kopi dan rokok. No Akohol
How do you know your number 1 ?
@@numchacar they have ranked (draft mode) pvp tournaments.
@@FletchTheSauce oh I was going to say I never knew about ranked in online mode . I play online but never draft haha
Fun fact they only played this game one year ago and became world champions 😅
not true
@@FletchTheSauce he's said himself
@@GetRaw41 was confused in translation
@@FletchTheSauceit is true tho, he said it himself that he claim apple arcade for free from an app in Indo back in 2023, he join the fm community then he suggested that he should play the steam version, and he unbeaten eversince even in the world cup it self.