See the full interview here: th-cam.com/video/y23ap4bKSi0/w-d-xo.html The Bible is very concerned with history-REAL history-and includes many historical markers and even chronologies. So discovering the biblical age of Earth is a matter of finding the relevant passages and doing some math! We’ve done it for you in this article: → How does the Bible teach 6,000 years? creation.com/6000-years And for the nerds among us, here’s a Journal of Creation article that dives into the chronological details so as to determine: → The biblical minimum and maximum age of the earth - creation.com/biblical-age-of-the-earth
"The Bible is very concerned with history" so why half of it don't appear else where . Like Moses and exodos do not appear on Egyptians records , while bible state Moses was grown as the pharaoh brother
@@brunobastos5533 There's a very good reason for that. Basically it is well known that the Egyptians didn't record the names of their enemies, because they believed that would cause them to continue existing in the afterlife. And they certainly didn't record embarrassing episodes of history in which they were the losers! For more detail, see creation.com/egypt-chronology#hebrew-egyptian-writing We have written much about the overlap of Hebrew and Egyptian history. The above article is a good starting point.
@@creationministriesintl The begetting ages: {Genesis 11:11-26} Shem: MT (*100 years), LXX (100 years), SP (100 years)na Arphaxad: MT (35 years), LXX (**135 years), SP (135 years) Kainan: LXX (°130 years)? Shelah: MT (30 years), LXX (**130 years), SP (130 years) Eber: MT (34 years), LXX (**134 years), SP (134 years) Peleg: MT (30 years), LXX (**130 years), SP (130 years) Reu: MT (32 years), LXX (**132 years), SP (132 years) Serug: MT (30 years), LXX (**130 years), SP (130 years) Nahor: MT (29 years), LXX (**79 years), SP (79 years) Terah: MT (*70 years), LXX (**70 years), SP (70 years) Rule: (MT) = Masoretic Text (☆minus 650 yrs and 130 yrs - Kainan/m) (LXX) = Greek Septuagint (SP) = Samaritan Penteteuch (°) = Luke 3:36 second witness (*) = The MT, the LXX, and the SP are in agreement. (**) = Josephus is in agreement with the LXX and SP. (na) = Josephus does not give a witness. ^ Flavius Josephus was a first century historian. 'Antiquities of the Jews' "The things narrated in the sacred Scriptures, are, however, innumerable, seeing that they embrace the history of *5,000* years..." (Ant. 1:13) Josephus claimed to use *Hebrew* text in his recitation of Genesis and other OT books. (Against Apion, 1:1, 54; Ant. 1:5, 9:208, 10:218) Rabbinic deflation theory (after 70 A.D.): a), Motive....Chrono-Messianism b), Means and Athority....Rabbi Akiba 40-137 A.D. c), Opperatunity....Judaism had been reduced to one Pharisaic sect after 70 A.D. -->There is no unbiased reliable second witness to the complete time-line of the MT before Eusebius in the 4th century A.D. Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in *a good old age* an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. (175 years) {Genesis 25:8} ^ By MT Chronology this statement would be untrue. According to the MT, Eber was still alive and lived to be a good old age of 464 years, more than twice the age of Abraham. Shem lived to be 600 years old, yet according to the MT he only dies 25 years before Abraham death. (The Jews also falsely claim that he is the high priest of Salem, Melchizedek in a vain attempt to discredit Christ claim of being a priest in the order of Melchizedek.)
@@creationministriesintl As worded above you are simply wrong as we have lists made by the Egyptians of enemies conquered. The supposed earliest reference to Jews is one such instance of recording the name of a conquered enemy. -- Also what is debatably true for temple inscriptions, not memorializing losses, is not pertinent to the personal letters we have found. The Armana letters have lots of comments about the failings of their government and nation.
The Bible does not teach a 6000 year old earth. That is a deduction made by counting years of lives listed in a genealogy. But is an erroneous assumption, because each successive name isn't necessarily the direct offspring of the previous person named, only a direct decendant.
I asked the Lord, "how come you say the world is 6k yrs old but science says its billions of yrs old ? " the Lord replied" who are you going to believe ? " The Lord didnt deny 6 days 6 000 yrs ago...he challenged my trust in Him
@Exodus--bx3dd Yeah, let's just disregard the fact that 6000 years ago, civilizations like Mesopotamia and Egypt were already advanced. Geological evidence, like rock and fossil dating, shows the Earth is billions of years old, not just a few thousand.
Jesus on the issue of adultery said in the beginning it was not so speaking about Adam and Eve being the first people on earth could not have committed adultery given their was only 2 people no one else to cheat with. Add the genealogy from Adam and Eve listed in Luke and Matthews gospel and you get slightly less than 4000 years from Adam to Christ and 2024 on the other side of Christ a bit less than 6000 years , and since in the creation sequence everything was created in 6 literal days including the universe the earth and mankind it's easy to calculate
6 days you shall work and the 7th day rest 6 years you shall farm the land but the 7th leave it fallow So we are to stay 1000 years in rest with Christ in heaven it's only natural to believe then that'll happen after 6000 years Think about it Sin has had its time and God is coming VERY SOON
If the seven day week wasn’t instituted on the first week of creation, when was it instituted? We have lunar cycles of the moon we have solar cycles of the sun we have eclipses, we also have transits of Mercury and Venus all recorded with days and dates. When you reverse their cycle timeline you get back to the year 0 of creation 6,000 years ago. This is the only time all these cycles eclipses and transits meet on the same date.
Nonsense. None of those cycles are precise enough for your statement to have meaning. There are also false claims to deal with, such as the darkness at the crucifixion being an eclipse- it lasted far longer than any eclipse can and so was not an eclipse. In Jewish lore there is the story of a man who decided that they had gotten the reckoning wrong and were off by a day or two (I don't remember which). He was challenged by the other scholars to carry his wallet and staff on their Sabbath. He did so and by that act of faith in his calculations they shifted the week to match his calculations. That lets us know that the calendar was tracked by scholars and such tracking was disrupted a number of times. We have as much reason to accept the Mayan calendar as to accept yours. -- And then we have science which has all of geology with which to determine ages and comes up with vastly different answers using vastly different techniques, all of them more reliable than genealogies.
The contradiction in your statement is that “a week” didn’t exist yet. A week is when the earth rotates 360 degree on its axis 7 times. If you’re a creationist, you’re supposed to believe the universe didn’t exist yet. The way the Bible discusses the concept of time shows that it was written by an earthly being. The person who wrote the book clearly knows nothing about the universe, their perception of the universe was limited to earth and earth only.
@@Ruder6163 The earth doesn’t rotate on a fake non provable axis nor does it move according to scripture. The sun completes its circuit around the earth as the scriptures state. Scripture trumps scientistism.
@@Xingrpmj You’re welcome to believe that, it’s fooIish but whatever. Regardless, time didn’t exist until the universe was formed. God creating the universe in “seven days” clearly demonstrates that the person who wrote the Bible is perception was limited to earth and earth only. By the way, how many cancer patients have been cured by scripture as opposed to science?
The Book of Jubilees SPECIFICALLY says it will be 6000 years from Adam to the return of Jesus, Then the Father rests for 1000 years as Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, rules on Earth.
@@thrassthrak9091 The human brain evolved in the same way that everything else does, through natural selection. A larger brain enabled early humans to survive unpredictable weather conditions.
@@thrassthrak9091 because we are the result of trials and error! 99% of the species once walked/swam on this planet ceased to exist because they were genetically weaker...
I'm a YEC but I don't think Earth is that young. And that's because first verses of the Bible mention Earth being created before the day count begun, without timeframe. Creation ON EARTH took roughly 6 days and then the world continued for 6000+ years. But Earth was there before the process, possibly for a long time. We just don't know.
What you describe is known as 'gap theory'. There are good reasons why it doesn't work. See creation.com/cab-3 (and the Related Articles section). The idea that there is more time (i.e. millions/billions of years) doesn't come from within the Bible itself, but is an external idea that people then try to fit into the Bible after the fact-and it brings problems with it. The Bible, on the other hand, affirms in Exodus 20:11 that, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day."
What? It literally says, in the beginning was a Void (total darkness / there was nothing) Then God said let there be light. So he created the Sun and the Moon. And they set, and that was the first day. Then he created everything else. What part of this sounds like the Earth was around before that????
@@williamli4143 The Sun and the Moon were created on day 4. Your Bible is not the same as most other people's. What Genesis 1 says is created is the diurnal cycle, which the authors did not understand was due to the Sun and the Earth being a rotating sphere. This is sufficient to indicate that Genesis is not a literal history of the Earth. If you read Hebrew you find that the Genesis creation story is a mnemonic device for listing all the facets of creation. The breaking into days is done to make the list easier to remember, the wording does not come across as journalism. The more literally you interpret it the worse it fits with reality.
@@histreeonics7770 Are you kidding me? What Bible are you reading? You could even type this in any search bar; Genesis 1:5. ...And I have the KJV Also " mnemonic device"; I had to look that up. That's not what's happening in Genesis. Are you someone who does Not believe in God? Because if you did believe God; How could you say God wasn't Great enough or Powerful enough to do that in one day?
@@williamli4143 I am an atheist, but before that I knew that the Bible was fables and nothing could be taken as literal in it. As I learned more about the world as I grew up I eventually figured out that nothing even remotely like the God of the Bible is realistic. -- How is it that someone capable of bring forth life has to use a total upheaval of the laws of physics to drown most of it, when with far less effort he could have suppressed the heartbeat of all those thinking evil all day long people, which would have been far simpler and every bit as dramatic to the few that he spared. God's power fades rapidly after Genesis. By the time of the invasion of Canaan he cannot manage to defeat humans with iron chariots. How do you get "God is powerful enough to create things leaving a record in the Earth that is contrary to his actions" given how little he can do after that week? Did he use up all his mojo such that he now needs humans to use our puny bodies to implement God's wishes? -- Why reading the Bible leads to atheism: God cares about your haircut. God cares about a flap of skin that he designed to protect the ends of penises, and wants you to cut it off. Why did he not design us to grow hair and foreskins to his preferences? The actual answer is that by enforcing differences from other cultures it was easier for the priests who came up with those rules (a thousand years after Moses) to keep the flock separated from those other cultures so as to continue to prey upon their flock. This is abusive spouses do to maintain control over their abused partner- keep them isolated from other people who might give them ideas about freedom. -- The KJV is one of the least faithful to the ancient documents translations we have. The scholars had an agenda, and they had secondary and mostly fragmentary material to work with compared to what is available to modern scholars. English has changed enough since that time that one must check the meanings of many words, in effect one must translate it into modern English to be reading it as the people who wrote it intended. It is far better to use one of the one-step translations, rather than the two to 4 steps of the KJV (in addition to Latin translation of Greek translation of Hebrew they used French translations to guide their conversion of the Latin to English).
Even with a bit of uncertainty regarding the genealogical records and allowing for a few thousand years more than estimated, the 6 Thousand years or so (+/- 1 Thousand years) is so far below the actual age of the Earth at 4.543 billion years old (+/- 50 Million years) as proven by radiometric dating of indigenous materials here on Earth and from other bodies in our solar system for corroboration.
Okay so How does Science work? Its Observation included in the steps of a scientist right? Did anyone Observe that the universe is 12,7 bill years old? And did anyone observe creation? - according to man No. But according to god He was the beginning… and he was before the beginning so he observed it didn’t he? And all the ways of measuring How old something May be right But fossils Can’t be 65 million year old Because They have This thing called c14 in them and something that has that Can’t be more than maximum 100 k years and minimum Some hundres years… The Science is man made. Science made assumptions Because the theory If the big bang and How old the earth is… Can’t be tried and it havent been observed So Who is more right you Think God the allmighty Who is before time and Created the heaven and the earth. Which never lies and Can’t Lie. Or the man that didn’t observe it. And is based on assumptions…. If humans was evolved around 150 000 years ago How do you explain 8 billion people? That isn’t possible the earth would be full… But If we Go back 4500 years ago…when Noah and his son’s wifes got out of the ark They could have alone populated the earth to 8 billion its perfectly possible! I beleive that god Created earth 6000 years ago! But you can beleive something Else! But this discussion Doesn’t mean anything because you can still be a Christian! Christianity isn’t about How earth was Created! Its about Jesus our lord and savior Who saved us from death and made a way to heaven for us❤️
This is a common error that occurs when people don't understand the original text in Hebrew. In it's original form the word simply means a decendant. It could be a son, or decendant 20 generations later. This is the same word used for Nebuchadnezzar begetting Balshazzar. Balshazar was the son of Eval Merodach, and the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar. The 6000 year dating by use of the Genesis genealogy is simply bad scholarship.
Why does everyone forget that man was created on the 6th day. That means biblically there were at least 5,000 years before man was even on the Earth at all, which would make the Earth over 11,000 years old per the Bible narrative.
@@llll6581 There is one Psalm which says that to God a thousand years is like a day. Some people don't understand simile and make that a literal conversion factor. To do so they have to ignore a large part of the text, the part with "there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day".
NO i Thought that too But in 2 Peter chapter 3:8 i Think! Peter says that a day WITH God is like a 1000 years! And Notice that its says A day «WITH GOD» Which tells us god is beyond time! But in the old testament he says there was evening and there was morning the First day! Evening and morning = to a new day THE FIRST DAY Equals to A DAY Not Some sort of billion time period It equals a simple normal day
@@llll6581 2 Peter 3:8 KJV - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
We define a day as one point in time to the next point in time, for instance sunrise to the next sunrise. Except the Sun wasn't created until the 4th Day, so can we unequivocally say Creation only took 144 hours, or could it have actually been millions of years? Genesis is an account of who created it and why. Not how.
To be precise a day is from sunset to sunset, as indicated by "and there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day" phrase. Genesis has days before the Sun exists so it cannot be literal.
When was the genesis Written? During the creation? No Its was written after! By Moses as a message from god right? So when it says: it was Evening and morning the First day In every single time They say it was evening and it was morning it indicates To a normal day in the old testament This is Not Only during the 1 genesis But during the Whole Old testament as i have understood it. God made the Earth in 6 literal days. If you beleive that it was periods of time and dinosaurs and stuff like that Died before man kind Came. You Haven’t read the Bible right. Because sin Came with man. Not before man.
@Poxy. the math seems pretty clear, even to Christian scientists, that the universe is 13.6B years old. Except for the sun, moon, and planets, the sky would be 100% BLACK if the universe was only 6000 years old.
People try to apply that simile as if it were a metric to imperial conversion factor, but the text of Genesis I has "and there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day" which is the kind of phrase used by the vocabulary limited language of Hebrew to make clear how long a period of time is indicated by the word 'yom'.
@@llll6581 yom was used for many different time concepts, not just day. We do this as well, for instance "Middles Ages", "Iron Age" et al. That is why one must look at the nearby phrases and overall thrust of the document to know which one to use in translation. For the six days of Genesis the word is disambiguated to mean diurnal cycle by the repeated phrase of "there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day ". The Biblical Hebrew vocabulary was only around 8000 words, covering the same concepts for which English has something like 24000 words. -- One common thing to YEC types is the treating of similarity as equality, comparison as equality, big as infinite and small as exactly zero. Mathematical ineptitude is rampant even among their mathematicians.
@@histreeonics7770 A more in-depth look at some of the points you make here: creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of-genesis-1 Hope some people find this useful!
See the full interview here: th-cam.com/video/y23ap4bKSi0/w-d-xo.html
The Bible is very concerned with history-REAL history-and includes many historical markers and even chronologies. So discovering the biblical age of Earth is a matter of finding the relevant passages and doing some math!
We’ve done it for you in this article:
→ How does the Bible teach 6,000 years? creation.com/6000-years
And for the nerds among us, here’s a Journal of Creation article that dives into the chronological details so as to determine:
→ The biblical minimum and maximum age of the earth - creation.com/biblical-age-of-the-earth
"The Bible is very concerned with history" so why half of it don't appear else where . Like Moses and exodos do not appear on Egyptians records , while bible state Moses was grown as the pharaoh brother
@@brunobastos5533 There's a very good reason for that. Basically it is well known that the Egyptians didn't record the names of their enemies, because they believed that would cause them to continue existing in the afterlife. And they certainly didn't record embarrassing episodes of history in which they were the losers! For more detail, see creation.com/egypt-chronology#hebrew-egyptian-writing We have written much about the overlap of Hebrew and Egyptian history. The above article is a good starting point.
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The begetting ages:
{Genesis 11:11-26}
Shem: MT (*100 years), LXX (100 years),
SP (100 years)na
Arphaxad: MT (35 years), LXX (**135 years),
SP (135 years)
Kainan: LXX (°130 years)?
Shelah: MT (30 years), LXX (**130 years),
SP (130 years)
Eber: MT (34 years), LXX (**134 years),
SP (134 years)
Peleg: MT (30 years), LXX (**130 years),
SP (130 years)
Reu: MT (32 years), LXX (**132 years),
SP (132 years)
Serug: MT (30 years), LXX (**130 years),
SP (130 years)
Nahor: MT (29 years), LXX (**79 years),
SP (79 years)
Terah: MT (*70 years), LXX (**70 years),
SP (70 years)
Rule:
(MT) = Masoretic Text
(☆minus 650 yrs and 130 yrs - Kainan/m)
(LXX) = Greek Septuagint
(SP) = Samaritan Penteteuch
(°) = Luke 3:36 second witness
(*) = The MT, the LXX, and the SP are in agreement.
(**) = Josephus is in agreement with the LXX and SP.
(na) = Josephus does not give a witness.
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Flavius Josephus was a first century historian.
'Antiquities of the Jews'
"The things narrated in the sacred Scriptures, are, however, innumerable, seeing that they embrace the history of *5,000* years..."
(Ant. 1:13)
Josephus claimed to use *Hebrew* text in his recitation of Genesis and other OT books.
(Against Apion, 1:1, 54; Ant. 1:5, 9:208, 10:218)
Rabbinic deflation theory (after 70 A.D.):
a), Motive....Chrono-Messianism
b), Means and Athority....Rabbi Akiba 40-137 A.D.
c), Opperatunity....Judaism had been reduced to one Pharisaic sect after 70 A.D.
-->There is no unbiased reliable second witness to the complete time-line of the MT before Eusebius in the 4th century A.D.
Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in *a good old age* an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. (175 years)
{Genesis 25:8}
^
By MT Chronology this statement would be untrue.
According to the MT, Eber was still alive and lived to be a good old age of 464 years, more than twice the age of Abraham.
Shem lived to be 600 years old, yet according to the MT he only dies 25 years before Abraham death. (The Jews also falsely claim that he is the high priest of Salem, Melchizedek in a vain attempt to discredit Christ claim of being a priest in the order of Melchizedek.)
@@creationministriesintl As worded above you are simply wrong as we have lists made by the Egyptians of enemies conquered. The supposed earliest reference to Jews is one such instance of recording the name of a conquered enemy.
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Also what is debatably true for temple inscriptions, not memorializing losses, is not pertinent to the personal letters we have found. The Armana letters have lots of comments about the failings of their government and nation.
The Bible does not teach a 6000 year old earth. That is a deduction made by counting years of lives listed in a genealogy. But is an erroneous assumption, because each successive name isn't necessarily the direct offspring of the previous person named, only a direct decendant.
I asked the Lord, "how come you say the world is 6k yrs old but science says its billions of yrs old ? " the Lord replied" who are you going to believe ? "
The Lord didnt deny 6 days 6 000 yrs ago...he challenged my trust in Him
He didn’t say that you just want to find a reason to deny physical proof
@Exodus--bx3dd Yeah, let's just disregard the fact that 6000 years ago, civilizations like Mesopotamia and Egypt were already advanced. Geological evidence, like rock and fossil dating, shows the Earth is billions of years old, not just a few thousand.
How is the earth 6000 years old if Jesus was 2000 years ago and there’s so many generations before him
@Restingelm1 work out the generations , goes back to 4000 bc
@@Exodus--bx3dd science and god are not in contradiction. They are compliments and science observes the universe that God created
Jesus on the issue of adultery said in the beginning it was not so speaking about Adam and Eve being the first people on earth could not have committed adultery given their was only 2 people no one else to cheat with. Add the genealogy from Adam and Eve listed in Luke and Matthews gospel and you get slightly less than 4000 years from Adam to Christ and 2024 on the other side of Christ a bit less than 6000 years , and since in the creation sequence everything was created in 6 literal days including the universe the earth and mankind it's easy to calculate
6 days you shall work and the 7th day rest
6 years you shall farm the land but the 7th leave it fallow
So we are to stay 1000 years in rest with Christ in heaven it's only natural to believe then that'll happen after 6000 years
Think about it
Sin has had its time and God is coming VERY SOON
Hopefully not Friday as I'm planning a long weekend
So if 1000 years from now, nothing happens, what then?
@@nothing-om6fn Pascal's wager ;common sence tells me it's far better to live as if HE is coming today
@@nothing-om6fn for good context if you'd like TH-cam David Asserick Pascal's wager
So we finally found the reason why we have to go office on Saturdays??
If the seven day week wasn’t instituted on the first week of creation, when was it instituted? We have lunar cycles of the moon we have solar cycles of the sun we have eclipses, we also have transits of Mercury and Venus all recorded with days and dates. When you reverse their cycle timeline you get back to the year 0 of creation 6,000 years ago. This is the only time all these cycles eclipses and transits meet on the same date.
Nonsense. None of those cycles are precise enough for your statement to have meaning. There are also false claims to deal with, such as the darkness at the crucifixion being an eclipse- it lasted far longer than any eclipse can and so was not an eclipse.
In Jewish lore there is the story of a man who decided that they had gotten the reckoning wrong and were off by a day or two (I don't remember which). He was challenged by the other scholars to carry his wallet and staff on their Sabbath. He did so and by that act of faith in his calculations they shifted the week to match his calculations. That lets us know that the calendar was tracked by scholars and such tracking was disrupted a number of times.
We have as much reason to accept the Mayan calendar as to accept yours.
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And then we have science which has all of geology with which to determine ages and comes up with vastly different answers using vastly different techniques, all of them more reliable than genealogies.
Hmmfff. Interstin.
The contradiction in your statement is that “a week” didn’t exist yet. A week is when the earth rotates 360 degree on its axis 7 times. If you’re a creationist, you’re supposed to believe the universe didn’t exist yet. The way the Bible discusses the concept of time shows that it was written by an earthly being. The person who wrote the book clearly knows nothing about the universe, their perception of the universe was limited to earth and earth only.
@@Ruder6163 The earth doesn’t rotate on a fake non provable axis nor does it move according to scripture. The sun completes its circuit around the earth as the scriptures state. Scripture trumps scientistism.
@@Xingrpmj You’re welcome to believe that, it’s fooIish but whatever. Regardless, time didn’t exist until the universe was formed. God creating the universe in “seven days” clearly demonstrates that the person who wrote the Bible is perception was limited to earth and earth only. By the way, how many cancer patients have been cured by scripture as opposed to science?
Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.🤔
@Sirboogiehendrixx haha, yeah. The claims minus evidence given in this video is so intellectually lazy, or worse, purposely manipulative!
The Book of Jubilees SPECIFICALLY says it will be 6000 years from Adam to the return of Jesus, Then the Father rests for 1000 years as Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, rules on Earth.
The countdown to our extinction began in the year 2000.
Look at how we have failed so far.
Might make sense if homo sapiens hadn't evolved from an ape-like ancestor around 250,000 years ago.
That makes no sense. If we grow up from animals, why we arw the one and only animal im millions of years who develop a spirit and intelligence.
@@thrassthrak9091 The human brain evolved in the same way that everything else does, through natural selection. A larger brain enabled early humans to survive unpredictable weather conditions.
If you gave billions of years - men can be women also
So 250k is billios of years@@i_assume
@@thrassthrak9091 because we are the result of trials and error! 99% of the species once walked/swam on this planet ceased to exist because they were genetically weaker...
The bible never said that
I'm a YEC but I don't think Earth is that young. And that's because first verses of the Bible mention Earth being created before the day count begun, without timeframe. Creation ON EARTH took roughly 6 days and then the world continued for 6000+ years. But Earth was there before the process, possibly for a long time. We just don't know.
What you describe is known as 'gap theory'. There are good reasons why it doesn't work. See creation.com/cab-3 (and the Related Articles section). The idea that there is more time (i.e. millions/billions of years) doesn't come from within the Bible itself, but is an external idea that people then try to fit into the Bible after the fact-and it brings problems with it. The Bible, on the other hand, affirms in Exodus 20:11 that, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day."
What? It literally says, in the beginning was a Void (total darkness / there was nothing) Then God said let there be light. So he created the Sun and the Moon. And they set, and that was the first day. Then he created everything else. What part of this sounds like the Earth was around before that????
@@williamli4143 The Sun and the Moon were created on day 4. Your Bible is not the same as most other people's.
What Genesis 1 says is created is the diurnal cycle, which the authors did not understand was due to the Sun and the Earth being a rotating sphere. This is sufficient to indicate that Genesis is not a literal history of the Earth.
If you read Hebrew you find that the Genesis creation story is a mnemonic device for listing all the facets of creation. The breaking into days is done to make the list easier to remember, the wording does not come across as journalism. The more literally you interpret it the worse it fits with reality.
@@histreeonics7770 Are you kidding me? What Bible are you reading? You could even type this in any search bar; Genesis 1:5. ...And I have the KJV
Also " mnemonic device"; I had to look that up. That's not what's happening in Genesis. Are you someone who does Not believe in God? Because if you did believe God; How could you say God wasn't Great enough or Powerful enough to do that in one day?
@@williamli4143 I am an atheist, but before that I knew that the Bible was fables and nothing could be taken as literal in it. As I learned more about the world as I grew up I eventually figured out that nothing even remotely like the God of the Bible is realistic.
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How is it that someone capable of bring forth life has to use a total upheaval of the laws of physics to drown most of it, when with far less effort he could have suppressed the heartbeat of all those thinking evil all day long people, which would have been far simpler and every bit as dramatic to the few that he spared.
God's power fades rapidly after Genesis. By the time of the invasion of Canaan he cannot manage to defeat humans with iron chariots. How do you get "God is powerful enough to create things leaving a record in the Earth that is contrary to his actions" given how little he can do after that week? Did he use up all his mojo such that he now needs humans to use our puny bodies to implement God's wishes?
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Why reading the Bible leads to atheism:
God cares about your haircut. God cares about a flap of skin that he designed to protect the ends of penises, and wants you to cut it off. Why did he not design us to grow hair and foreskins to his preferences? The actual answer is that by enforcing differences from other cultures it was easier for the priests who came up with those rules (a thousand years after Moses) to keep the flock separated from those other cultures so as to continue to prey upon their flock. This is abusive spouses do to maintain control over their abused partner- keep them isolated from other people who might give them ideas about freedom.
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The KJV is one of the least faithful to the ancient documents translations we have. The scholars had an agenda, and they had secondary and mostly fragmentary material to work with compared to what is available to modern scholars. English has changed enough since that time that one must check the meanings of many words, in effect one must translate it into modern English to be reading it as the people who wrote it intended. It is far better to use one of the one-step translations, rather than the two to 4 steps of the KJV (in addition to Latin translation of Greek translation of Hebrew they used French translations to guide their conversion of the Latin to English).
Even with a bit of uncertainty regarding the genealogical records and allowing for a few thousand years more than estimated, the 6 Thousand years or so (+/- 1 Thousand years) is so far below the actual age of the Earth at 4.543 billion years old (+/- 50 Million years) as proven by radiometric dating of indigenous materials here on Earth and from other bodies in our solar system for corroboration.
Okay so How does Science work?
Its Observation included in the steps of a scientist right?
Did anyone Observe that the universe is 12,7 bill years old? And did anyone observe creation?
- according to man
No.
But according to god
He was the beginning… and he was before the beginning so he observed it didn’t he?
And all the ways of measuring How old something May be right But fossils Can’t be 65 million year old
Because They have This thing called c14 in them and something that has that Can’t be more than maximum 100 k years and minimum Some hundres years…
The Science is man made.
Science made assumptions Because the theory If the big bang and How old the earth is…
Can’t be tried and it havent been observed
So Who is more right you Think
God the allmighty Who is before time and Created the heaven and the earth. Which never lies and Can’t Lie.
Or the man that didn’t observe it. And is based on assumptions….
If humans was evolved around 150 000 years ago How do you explain 8 billion people?
That isn’t possible the earth would be full…
But If we Go back 4500 years ago…when Noah and his son’s wifes got out of the ark
They could have alone populated the earth to 8 billion its perfectly possible!
I beleive that god Created earth 6000 years ago!
But you can beleive something Else!
But this discussion Doesn’t mean anything because you can still be a Christian!
Christianity isn’t about How earth was Created!
Its about Jesus our lord and savior Who saved us from death and made a way to heaven for us❤️
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Exactly
This is a common error that occurs when people don't understand the original text in Hebrew. In it's original form the word simply means a decendant. It could be a son, or decendant 20 generations later. This is the same word used for Nebuchadnezzar begetting Balshazzar. Balshazar was the son of Eval Merodach, and the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar.
The 6000 year dating by use of the Genesis genealogy is simply bad scholarship.
Here is an article addressing this objection: creation.com/biblical-chronogenealogies
CHRIST IS KING.
Yes it does,
Why does everyone forget that man was created on the 6th day. That means biblically there were at least 5,000 years before man was even on the Earth at all, which would make the Earth over 11,000 years old per the Bible narrative.
Sorry, But where do the 5000 years come from? You can't just say that one day is equal to 1000 years.
@@llll6581 There is one Psalm which says that to God a thousand years is like a day. Some people don't understand simile and make that a literal conversion factor. To do so they have to ignore a large part of the text, the part with "there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day".
NO
i Thought that too But in
2 Peter chapter 3:8 i Think!
Peter says that a day WITH God is like a 1000 years!
And Notice that its says
A day «WITH GOD»
Which tells us god is beyond time!
But in the old testament he says there was evening and there was morning the First day!
Evening and morning = to a new day
THE FIRST DAY Equals to A DAY
Not Some sort of billion time period
It equals a simple normal day
We have a seven day week, not a 7,000 year week.
@@llll6581 2 Peter 3:8 KJV -
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
We define a day as one point in time to the next point in time, for instance sunrise to the next sunrise. Except the Sun wasn't created until the 4th Day, so can we unequivocally say Creation only took 144 hours, or could it have actually been millions of years? Genesis is an account of who created it and why. Not how.
To be precise a day is from sunset to sunset, as indicated by "and there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day" phrase.
Genesis has days before the Sun exists so it cannot be literal.
When was the genesis Written? During the creation? No
Its was written after! By Moses as a message from god right?
So when it says: it was Evening and morning the First day
In every single time They say it was evening and it was morning it indicates To a normal day in the old testament
This is Not Only during the 1 genesis But during the Whole Old testament as i have understood it.
God made the Earth in 6 literal days.
If you beleive that it was periods of time and dinosaurs and stuff like that Died before man kind Came.
You Haven’t read the Bible right.
Because sin Came with man. Not before man.
I am Not Trying to be offensive! Sorry
@Poxy. the math seems pretty clear, even to Christian scientists, that the universe is 13.6B years old. Except for the sun, moon, and planets, the sky would be 100% BLACK if the universe was only 6000 years old.
@@JediKt Check out this article for an answer to your objection here: creation.com/distant-starlight-and-the-biblical-timeframe
I understand that a day in the life of God is like 1000 years to man. Doesn't that factor in?
No that iy wrong. Whoever told you that, took These 1000 years Out of context.
People try to apply that simile as if it were a metric to imperial conversion factor, but the text of Genesis I has "and there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day" which is the kind of phrase used by the vocabulary limited language of Hebrew to make clear how long a period of time is indicated by the word 'yom'.
@@histreeonics7770 and yom means day. So 1000 years representing one day is a wrong.
@@llll6581 yom was used for many different time concepts, not just day. We do this as well, for instance "Middles Ages", "Iron Age" et al. That is why one must look at the nearby phrases and overall thrust of the document to know which one to use in translation. For the six days of Genesis the word is disambiguated to mean diurnal cycle by the repeated phrase of "there was an evening and a morning, the xxth day ". The Biblical Hebrew vocabulary was only around 8000 words, covering the same concepts for which English has something like 24000 words.
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One common thing to YEC types is the treating of similarity as equality, comparison as equality, big as infinite and small as exactly zero. Mathematical ineptitude is rampant even among their mathematicians.
@@histreeonics7770 A more in-depth look at some of the points you make here:
creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of-genesis-1
Hope some people find this useful!
With septuangita dates its about 7500 years