Triumph - What if Rik Emmett Hadn't Left the band - Mike Levine Interview
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Triumph will always be bad ass
I loved them in college
Appreciate you interviewing my favorite rock trio. Triumph rules!
Thanks for all the cool memories. Only three members but all very integral. Note: Triumphs Music Kept Me Strong, Anointed, and Happy Through Many Difficult Years. Seen Never Surrender, CD With World of Fantasy and When Angel City opened up. Three times you all blessed me with live music. But your music lasts a lifetime. Love You Mikey! Thanks For Everything.
Rik was a great talent but without Mike and Gil Rik may not have had the success he had. Mike was a beast working the radio stations and Gil had the equipment and came up with the lasers and flash bangs. Rik is my idol but I appreciate Mike and Gil.
I really liked them.... but because I have been in bands, I understand the feelings with everyone in Triumph.
people would have a hard time understanding that drmorq but you 100% right. It's like being in another marriage.
My brain refuses to accept TRIUMPH is over. RUSH too...but they cant be put back together.
No, they cannot.
Nice job! Its great to get a little more information from Mike rather than just the usual band stuff.
Mr. Mike Levine
Mr. Gil Moore
Mr. Rik Emmett
Great Band From Canadian 🎵🎼🎶🎹🎤🎸💪👊😎
I once got through on Eddie Trunk's show when they had just reconciled a few years ago. I asked a question that almost felt like I caught them off guard. "Do you think things would have been different if you just let Rik go off and do a solo album or two?" There was rather a pause after I asked because I think Rik needed the outlet of being in charge on his own and they didn't want that for the band. They went for all or nothing and it was nothing. They did say that they thought that might have worked. Interesting.
Triumph loved this band ..
Love these interviews. Always a good product, always insightful. Don't know why a Selena Gomez commercial came on like Triumph has a connection there. Hope the move went well.
TRIUMPH Fight the Good Fight Every Moment Too Bad I didn't take that to heart soon enough or I would have been at the US FESTIVAL San Bernardino California 1983.
Years ago I was involved in the music scene in Vancouver. Met Emmett a few times and he has an interesting view of why the dynamic of the band change that lead up to him wanting to leave. One thing was the record label wanted to bring outside writers and he was a very good writer but the record guys wanted "their style of hits". I also know there was a lot of back room politics between him and the other two and the creative process that Rick had
I recently heard that the record label wanted to write the songs for Rik to sing, They said drummers don't sing. Rik told them that would never happen , Gil would never go for that. I'm happy Rik listened to his brother took the chance to reach out to Gil Moore and Mike Levine and we're able to become friends again.
@@Iler17 I think some of Triumph's hardest rocking songs were with Gil Moore on vocals, not Rik.
Just listen to Absolutely, You can hear about some of it in the songs. I’m glad, had no doubt Rik Emmettt would have a fantastic solo career. Watching some of the trailers from the new Documentary (great to see Gil Moore, Mike Levine and Rick Emmett. I’m in the States I haven’t figured out how to buy it yet.
The problem was that MCA put up the money for Triumph to buy themselves out of their contract with RCA. And it was a LOT of money. That was basically their initial advance from the label. And the thing was, Thunder Seven didn't shift enough units to pay off that debt. That (and the ever obnoxious quest by the uber-capitalists who were by then running the major labels to make more money) were why the outside writers were brought in on Sport Of Kings and Surveillance and why those albums have a more MOR sound than their earlier records. Rik said RCA were content with the band putting gold or platinum selling records, basically being a "cult band" on the level of Blue Oyster Cult or Thin Lizzy or whatever, as opposed to being multi-platinum "bigger than The Beatles" level band, which is what Gil and Mike apparently wanted. And as I understand it, Gil and Mike basically managed the band themselves, so it was kind of them saying "Our label doesn't think we can be the biggest band on the planet, but WE do!". So I think that was sort of the "beginning of the end", the transition from RCA to MCA.
@@Iler17 What the label wanted was for the band to movie in a more MOR direction, something that they could sell to mainstream radio. Back in the 70's, you would have said "We need something we can push on AM radio". I guess in the 80's it was "We need something we can push on Adult Contemporary radio". I mean, that's how almost all major label execs think, "We need something that has crossover appeal". That's how that hair metal era came into being, it was executives saying, "We want bands that EVERYONE will love". That was the purpose of that whole "power ballad" thing that you had at the time, trying to open up the audience so that the group could be bigger than they were before. And I really feel like that's what brought the curtain down on that era. 10,000,000 fans can't be wrong? Oh yes they can!
They knew when to retire and they went out in Style & Class, that’s why I love triumph.
If he would have stayed for all the wrong reasons, it wouldn't have been fair to Gil and Mike or the fans...it's a lose-lose situation. I just appreciate what they did give us...
If Rik didn't leave the band? I don't think it would have been much better than what actually happened. Think about what was going on during that era, that was when we had transitioned into the "hair metal" era (which I maintain only begins around 87 or so, I don't like referring to the stuff that was around pre-87 as "hair metal", because it's kind of an insult). Triumph's music would have become more watered down, the "outside writers" thing would have increased. They would have done Diane Warren songs and all the rest of it, and helped contribute to the situation that led to the whole grunge era. Or they would have just broken up, plain and simple.
But in truth, other than ZZ Top and maybe a couple of other bands, how many groups can you think of that went for a decade or more without someone leaving? Rik noted that the entire time from the founding of the Quarrymen to the breakup of The Beatles was something like 12 years. The Who lasted for about 15 years before Keith Moon died. Zeppelin was about 12 years I think. Thin Lizzy lasted about 12-13 years. The fact that Triumph lasted as long as they did, and put out so many great records, before the record company started leaning on them to be more MOR, is a bit of a miracle, really. Even if you look at bands that didn't break up, a lot of really, just went down the tubes quality wise, in the push to be "bigger and more successful". Everyone wanted to be as big as the Beatles, or as close to that as they could get, and in my view, were willing to sacrifice their integrity to get that. Look at Aerosmith, Kiss or Whitesnake (DO NOT LAUGH! Those first six Whitesnake albums were all solid high energy rock n roll records, before the hairspray fumes started to affect David Coverdale's judgement).
I think Triumph made a couple big mistakes earlier. I think it was Rik I read say that RCA, their US label in the early days, up through...what was it? Allied Forces or Never Surrender? RCA basically didn't see Triumph as being a "big" band, they reckoned they were never going to more than a platinum band, i.e. each album selling platinum, not multi-platinum, just platinum, if even that. They saw them as being ya know, a cult band, so RCA was never willing to push them, promo wise, on radio and MTV and such. Oh sure, they did singles and put out videos and everything, but they weren't given the "We think you guys are gonna be the next Rolling Stones" push or whatever.
And apparently, Gil and Mike (who were essentially the band's managers) WANTED to be in that multi-platinum stratospheric realm of "the biggest thing since powered milk". So they basically sued RCA to get out of their contract. And MCA came along, and were willing to invest in the band. MCA basically put up the money, as an advance, to buy out their RCA contract. Now you know how an advance works, don't you? You have to pay that money back to the label before you see any royalties. So they did Thunder Seven, and unfortunately that didn't do the kind of business that they needed to pay back what they owed MCA. So MCA, on Sport Of Kings says "We think you guys need some help with the songwriting", so they brought in the song doctors and that's where things started going south (though I think Rik noted that he himself, alone, wrote the big single off that album, Somebody's Out There, which was the biggest single of Triumph's career). Maybe if RCA, Gil, and Mike had been willing to keep things going the way they had in the early 80's, if everyone had been ok with being "just a Blue Oyster Cult level" band, things might have worked out better. (Shrug)
Not a bad take on things.
Triumph was the best. Unfortunately they never toured extensively like their Canadian counterparts, Rush.
Canadian counterparts? They were also Canadian.
Good interview. Stay safe and take care.
I know they are against touring again but they could reunite for a Canadian residency somewhere and a city here
All in Portland, Oregon!
They were very good, kicked some butt, but it seem the PR machine rolled in and started telling them how the music will sound. "we need a hit", and the one thing that would make me quit "we're bringing in outside writers". Full stop, this is not a band anymore, its a marketing angle. They had an impact that they can be very proud of.
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they would of had same problem all those ear;y 80s artists had like reo styx billy squier younger hair bands ruled the charts and mtv they would not have fit in and mtv prob would not have played their videos
In MTV's first year Triumph was one of the most played bands! They played that cheesy "Somebody's Out There" video a LOT! Edit- I realize there's about 5-6 years between these 2 events!