@@vroomzoom4206 No character can always win against any and all higher beings as that’s not how the tier system works, there will always be someone more powerful as they are created in the boundless tier. The boundless tier extends infinitely so there can’t be a being that will always be more powerful than any fictional character. Even boundless beings can lose and have limits. So no Saitama isn’t boundless lol, he’s multi solar system level. He’s just more powerful than the beings that he’s fought. Narrative doesn’t mean a character can go by the No limits fallacy.
Many people also use narratives to argue a character would beat other characters outside their verse. Example. One of the primary arguments saitama fans use is that his narrative is to never lose and beat his foes in one punch. This is one of the arguments they use to say saitama can beat characters who are far better in feats and scaling than him
Thank you,they think because he is unbeatable in his verse,he'll be unbeatable in other verses,and that kind of argument can be made for many characters but opm fans are simply usually delusional
Which reminds me could the death battle between guts and nightmare be considered a narrative win for guts,cus if I remember correctly by how they explained,night mare is more powerful than guts but guts fights opponents more powerful than himself
I know this may sound stupid, but I wonder if Gojo can survive from jujutsu Kaisen, since in the current chapters, he was able to literally use reverse close technique to stop his neck, been completely cut off his body, so theoretically, he could potentially stop a heart attack, and his willpower is very good since how cocky he is, like there’s like another video I believe I don’t fully remember what it is, but I could search it up if anyone wants me to name the video or even show a link, that he can actually probably resist the control of Makima, since she can only control people who she believes it, that they are weaker than her, and Gojo was literally stated to literally change the world since he was born, and I also believe that was another reason I heard, and some other arguments, but that’s all I fully remember without having to rewatch the video, if anyone wants to I am fully willing to send the video link
No, time has nothing to do with dimensionality. Nor does Death. You would context from the series itself to back that up if that’s to be true for said character.
@@surfboneait so does this mean that solely being above the concept of space makes you outerversal,I usually think space and time can be exchanged with one another when scaling in terms of dimensionality and some even view time as being fourth dimensional in some cases g
@@voidgod7178 being above the concept of space or dimensionality is Outerversal. But what I implore you to remember is that context is everything. And don’t solely rely upon certain phrases or words being present. Because sometimes a statement that includes “transcends space and time” could in context be part of an Outerversal statement. But context could easily make that mean something completely different. So be careful
can you explain what exactly is a space time continium going off vsbw tiering system they require a size quantification of atleast observable universe and destroying the entirety of time past present and future. so is it uni+ if you destroy space time On a universal scale or is has to be Stated the chracater is destroying space and all of past present and future
In anime powerscalling ever the only mfs I seen use narrative is one piece debates 😂 and honestly even witn narrative if the character is featless they simply weaker till they show power idc
I was convinced that using the "narratively" arguments for the gorosei and Imu is dumb, as they were never indicated to be powerful. Then chapter 1085 came out and my opinion did a 180 turn around
@@yamato9753 Saturn’s life flashed before his eyes lol. That bum really started shitting his pants when he saw Luffy eating meat ( Luffy will low diff him)
people make narrative arguments but don't understand narrative
The narrative for saitama is that he always wins so that means he no diffs superman even though he doesnt have the feats for it (yet) l.
@@vroomzoom4206His narrative only applies to his verse. The narrative literally end when the story or narrative ends. Thus its a false presumption
@@vroomzoom4206 ppl who say that have not read One Punch Man
@@vroomzoom4206 No character can always win against any and all higher beings as that’s not how the tier system works, there will always be someone more powerful as they are created in the boundless tier. The boundless tier extends infinitely so there can’t be a being that will always be more powerful than any fictional character. Even boundless beings can lose and have limits. So no Saitama isn’t boundless lol, he’s multi solar system level. He’s just more powerful than the beings that he’s fought. Narrative doesn’t mean a character can go by the No limits fallacy.
This is basically the example of Stan Lee's quote "The writer decides who wins"
Many people also use narratives to argue a character would beat other characters outside their verse.
Example.
One of the primary arguments saitama fans use is that his narrative is to never lose and beat his foes in one punch.
This is one of the arguments they use to say saitama can beat characters who are far better in feats and scaling than him
Thank you,they think because he is unbeatable in his verse,he'll be unbeatable in other verses,and that kind of argument can be made for many characters but opm fans are simply usually delusional
Hey man I love these videos explaining power scaling and stuff keep it up you're doing great
Which reminds me could the death battle between guts and nightmare be considered a narrative win for guts,cus if I remember correctly by how they explained,night mare is more powerful than guts but guts fights opponents more powerful than himself
And that’s nothing compared to combat sports prediction. Imagine doing MMA math for an hour then having to account for variables for two more
Let's see Paul Allen's Narrative Argument.
mans never brought up the mihawk narrative arguments , sadge , 10/10 video
What’s a narrative argument that exists for Mihawk vs Shanks?
Mihawk win cause sword
Mihawk wins
Mihawk wins cause he can clap
I know this may sound stupid, but I wonder if Gojo can survive from jujutsu Kaisen, since in the current chapters, he was able to literally use reverse close technique to stop his neck, been completely cut off his body, so theoretically, he could potentially stop a heart attack, and his willpower is very good since how cocky he is, like there’s like another video I believe I don’t fully remember what it is, but I could search it up if anyone wants me to name the video or even show a link, that he can actually probably resist the control of Makima, since she can only control people who she believes it, that they are weaker than her, and Gojo was literally stated to literally change the world since he was born, and I also believe that was another reason I heard, and some other arguments, but that’s all I fully remember without having to rewatch the video, if anyone wants to I am fully willing to send the video link
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wait a sec can narrative scale a character to boundless, high outerversal outerversal and stuff or no.
Would being above a concept like time or death grant the person 4d or above scaling?
No, time has nothing to do with dimensionality. Nor does Death. You would context from the series itself to back that up if that’s to be true for said character.
@@surfboneait so does this mean that solely being above the concept of space makes you outerversal,I usually think space and time can be exchanged with one another when scaling in terms of dimensionality and some even view time as being fourth dimensional in some cases g
@@voidgod7178 being above the concept of space or dimensionality is Outerversal. But what I implore you to remember is that context is everything. And don’t solely rely upon certain phrases or words being present. Because sometimes a statement that includes “transcends space and time” could in context be part of an Outerversal statement. But context could easily make that mean something completely different. So be careful
@@surfbone I understand,thanks
can you explain what exactly is a space time continium
going off vsbw tiering system
they require a size quantification of atleast observable universe and destroying the entirety of time past present and future.
so is it uni+ if you destroy space time On a universal scale or is has to be Stated the chracater is destroying space and all of past present and future
the thing I don't understand is does destroying time of a universe includes past Present and future or it just includes the present.
@@puffyUwU I wouldn’t use Vs Battle Wiki’s Tiering System Lol, that’s your issue
In anime powerscalling ever the only mfs I seen use narrative is one piece debates 😂 and honestly even witn narrative if the character is featless they simply weaker till they show power idc
(I haven't watched black clover yet)In a VS equalization battle would itachi be able to put asta in a genjitsu?
Yes exactly
What are Outliers
I made a short on this a week ago or so
Narrative arguments are appealing to the plot or story not the feats
Eg madara can beat momoshiki cause he's a much more relevant character
Mihawk > zoro fr
Blackbread is stronger than Kaido right now and I am not joking
Based on what exactly?
I was convinced that using the "narratively" arguments for the gorosei and Imu is dumb, as they were never indicated to be powerful.
Then chapter 1085 came out and my opinion did a 180 turn around
Werent the gorosei oneshotsd by sabo
@@animoments8969 uhm, no. He just escaped by basically sucker punching, then escaping.
He himself was nearly oneshot by one of them.
What’s your opinion now? (Gorosei are all frauds and Kuma victims)
@@Plush13.S no, Kuma is punching currently and we don't even know if that Punch will even land.
Im still skeptic
@@yamato9753 Saturn’s life flashed before his eyes lol.
That bum really started shitting his pants when he saw Luffy eating meat ( Luffy will low diff him)
wew
NOOO MY ADMIRAL AGENDA
Blackbeard ain't making it. That clown's a fraud. Lafitte and Shiryu have been carrying this fodder like Mihawk and Crocodile are carrying Buggy.