And before I forget, this is a video like it, but shorter and way too funny. Check out the channel's content! th-cam.com/video/8wbLL8ImUaA/w-d-xo.html Edit: Holy moly, 250K views! Thank you all for watching guys! I love the show a lot so I felt that a video like this one needed to happen.
@@Asaylum117 It would have been interesting if they played around with the idea of Don wanting to do everything in his power to prevent that ghastly future where he disappeared and everything went to hell. Aside from feeling responsible for Splinter in season 7, Don never really gets that much character development in this show so this could've served as a starting point to something else.
@@Asaylum117 I think the only time we ever saw him depressed was in the king episode, don was very upset with Kirby getting stuck in that world, however that was also kinda short lived.
And this is 4kids by the way. You know the company that's notorious for censoring anime to be child friendly. Then one day they decided let's make a gritty tmnt cartoon
TMNT: *Kills 3 of the turtles on screen in an episode. 4Kids: It’s fine. Kids won’t be traumatized by this. Sonic X: *Tails admitting to Cosmo about his love before he shoots and kill her to save the galaxy. 4Kids: No it’s too much for kids. Let’s make them friends and let’s have Tails just shoot her with no emotion.
@@miguelcastillo3723 Not really, there are other countries besides America where little kids probably aren't familiar with Onigiri, so they change it to something those kids would be more familiar with
I will always and forever respect the performances of the voice actors for this show. Especially Leo's VA in this, he was so good at keeping the calm controlled tone so when he heightened his tone for the harsher line delivers it felt so real. Ah I just love this show partly nostalgia and mostly because it's just such a great version of the tmnt.
They’re all extremely experienced, Mikey was Joey Wheeler before and Raph Yusei, it didn’t hurt that all of them are from nyc, at least for the turtle vas
Seeing how Splinter was raised in Japan, decapitation's for immorally wrong people especially if you want to go back to when they did it, such as seppuku, that was a normal act for a family to do to another if horribly dishonored the family, now take a ninja, you really think Leo would have any problems (seeing how he did this as well in 2012 cartoon) to decapitate an awful person, a demon in his eyes? No of course not. His code is no matter the circumstances, the bad guy has to die. And in Ninjutsu if things get rough like that scene was, it was either Leo or him, so Leo aimed for his head. The best way to kill anyone especially wearing a suite of literal armor is to decapitate them. This is a normal act for a serious fight.
@@chronic-joker well yes...in the very original....but I'm referring to THIS Splinter not the one in the comics in general. this Splinter was a regular rat who was adopted by Hamato Yoshi who isn't an immigrant but was part of the foot clan himself in all series actually that continued, he was part of the foot clan in the beginning always having a rivalry with Saki each version does change like how in 2012, Hamato Yoshi is muted into a rat and takes care of 4 turtles in 2003 series Splinter watches Hamato Yoshi die which he even says in the series and then travels to America to get away from it all and then the accident happened each one is always a bit different. and if we're talking 1980s version of the show Hamato also travels to America because he was kicked out of the foot clan for treason for thinking he was about to murder the master after Saki sabotages him by sticking a knife in his shirt to the wall so he can't bow down to the master making him pull out the knife in confusion making him look like he was going to murder the master making him leave and going to America where the mutation accident happens there where at first living amongst the rats. Which is why he turns into one then soon the mutatagin spills down along with the turtles confusing him until they all change. so if you want "continuity" probably more in the comics than there is in each different show series....so I was specifically referring to this one because yes Splinter was in JAPAN with Hamato until he saw his Master murdered making him leave Japan to America to escape. so really there really isn't a huge continuity in each show seeing how one show it's Hamato Yoshi as a rat and in 2003 and onward for a long while was just Master Splinter as a rat who turned more human. trust me kid, I've been a fan since I was 8 years old and I'm 27, made my own website watched every season and every series that came to pass and even since the beginning of youtube back in 2005 is when I started watching the 1980s version, japanese version as well, along with some parts of Europe versions just to see the difference, and then watched immediately 2003- to fast forward to back to the future 2007 movie that people were meh about to this day, and even 2012 where it's was supposedly suppose to be a representation in another form of the 1980s version which is why they brought back a lot of the old characters be rehashed them into a bit of a different scenario the only one I refuse to watch is raise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles cause it looks like teen titans go on steriods but with turtles and I absolutely hate it
@@savageratentertainment th-cam.com/video/lMAA3wr9fa0/w-d-xo.html splinter was in the USA to begin with and never left japan because he was never in it also the foot was set in the states in this cannon from the start and Yoshi was highly likely an immigrant given his name. also, cannon means the continues train of event and information within a story. your understanding of cannon seems very off the cannon of each individual show is there own.
Kids can handle more than we take credit for. Parents need to stop behaving like total lawnmowers and let their kids be exposed to life's realities good and bad.
4kids: This anime is too much! We gotta censor the hell out of everything! No blood, no guns, no cleavage, no references to Japanese food, ALL GONE SCRUB IT CLEAN!! Also 4Kids:
I mean, when you replace the concept of death with sending your literal inner spirit to hell when losing a fucking card game, you begin to question a thing or to.
In the second episode of Back to the Sewer, April mentions that Casey ended up with blood on him from someone else (implying Khan's mind control was more brutal than we see).
Damn no wonder the 2003 version of tmnt is a fan favorite(mine's too). It captures the dark tone of the original mirage comics so good. Definitely need to rewatch this again.
I have nostalgia for tmnt 2012 but my dad had the dvds for 2003 it was the first time I watched tmnt but all I can say I hate s6 and s7 but I love turtles forever
Fun Fact: Season 4 was so dark, that they originally cancelled season 5 for Fast Forward. While Season 4 was one of the best, it did go too far in some places. Playmates basically panicked that the potential season 5 tone might alienate the audience further (which in turn affected the toy sales) so they made fast forward. The rumor is that Peter Laird personally funded for the season 5 (Ninja Tribunal) to be finished. The Baxter Stockman episode was banned from airing on US TV, until Nickelodeon bought the series. (It did broadcast outside US and the episode got released on DVD)
It wasn't just one of the best, after rewatching Season 4, I'd say it is the best season hands down. Almost every episode feels like it's ripped right from the original mirage comics while also being a winner. Season 5 wasn't as good with its many plot holes and contrivances.
I really don't understand parents when they always complaining and shelter the kids from stuff like this. They grew up on the same damn thing or worse. The positive things is we could see season 5 the Ninja Tribunal and Baxter Stockman episode "Insane in the Membrane" which is pretty amazing but dark. This series was more faithful to the comics than anything. A lot of people didn't like Fast Forward but the final 7th season kind of went back to it's original format with different animation.
FOX logic: Sonic X: "We can't have Maria killed by G.U.N., that's too dark!" Winx Club: "We can't have Musa slap Icy, that's too violent!" TMNT '03: "Leatherhead eviscerating Bishop's goons? Sounds good!"
Or never mind the fact that FOX were also completely fine with showing Leatherhead get PTSD flashbacks of him going through torturous and mutilating experiments.
Viewer: " Is it really okay to imply that level of violence in a show aimed at 8-13 year olds"? 4Kids: "It's okay, their robots drones. You can tear them apart" *Leatherhead eviscerates both men brutality, screams for mercy mixing with the snapping of bones and tearing flesh* Viewer "Those are people! You said they were robots"! 4Kids: "It's a figure of speech. They are just faceless grunts following a villains orders, don't respect them."
Everybody is saying "4Kids made this dark show", but that's partially wrong. The tone of the series is due to Peter Laird, writer of the original TMNT comic book series who gave the animated series an dark tone similar to the comic.
I still am shocked how this show got away with a lot of the shit it had past 4Kids eyes. Hell, I'm just glad I grew up with this show when I did. When I was a kid, I wasn't too traumatized by the darker moments this show had (aside from the Rat King). It makes me sad that we won't be getting shows like TMNT 2003 ever again. It's even more frustrating that this show never got a proper full series release on physical media. I would pay every penny, just to have TMNT 2003 in my animation collection.
@@Asaylum117 agreed, I already own most of the volumes, but i am a completionist, so i desire all of the show just to personally add to my collection of basically every show i loved as a kid and that still hold up.
Sound effects are everything. Not a drop of blood was spilled but you could instantly recognize the sound of skull crunching and soft brain splattering against pavement.
@@jadenmcmillan4306 Oh just Leo suffering from depression and PTSD, horrifying mutations of humans shown onscreen, Agent Bishop’s body melting horrifically and showing his skeleton, Donnie mutating into a horrifying monster, Baxter Stockman’s body coming undone and having his finger come off onscreen and becoming basically a zombie as well as showing his JAW coming off, tons of body horror, etc. but y’know that’s about it.
The first 5 seasons of the 2003 TMNT show had pretty violent moments which made it stand out from the other shows 4Kids dubbed. The episode where Leo stabs the illusion Splinter stands out to me the most.
Yeah. I love it when 4Kids could do whatever they want with their show (or this one at least). What stood out for me was when Leo beheaded the Shredder. Not an actual human, but still.
That is true. Season four was when the violent, dark moments were so present (especially with Insane With The Membrane's body horror banning it from air), that Playmates took notice and forced Mirage Studios to tone it down by shelving season five and skipping straight to Fast Forward, which was more light-hearted.
@@alanmorris4896 I had a friend in grade 7-8 he was my Bully in grade 7 until later in grade 8 after I fought him he became my friend he doesn't talk about her to me he talks about Alexis to my friends Then why did April do that
really love how they manage to make gruesome and totally dark scenes so damn well even if they didn't show anything or a little of the aftermath, makes these moments feel even more dark
I'm really glad they didn't make it so childish. Some people think the show is too dark for kids but come on, kids eventually have to be mature and these aren't even close to being bad for kids. I actually enjoyed this show and I still do.
Virtually all kids need to be exposed to 90s cartoons like Animals of Farthing wood. Hell even stuff like Captain Planet and Bangers and Mash could throw kids the occasional mature scenes and lessons.
The 2003 series is a much more closer adaptation of the original Comics, infact Eastman and Laird were producers for the series. As a side note, it's rumored that Laird hated the 87 series, and that may explain the depictions of the 87 Turtles in the crossover special Turtles Forever
With TMNT, they had Peter Laird pressuring them to make the show similar to the Mirage comics, with One Piece Toei did not care what 4Kids did with that show in the US.
The Thing horror refrences, people being eaten alive, being stabbed and cut in the spine, blown up in cars, decapitated, slowly being robbed of body parts and turned into a brain in jar and then turned into a melting body zombie (with some really gruesome detail and shown bloody muscles), hung on a freaking metal hooks, squashed to death, turned into skeletons and goo, showcase of heavy torture and ptsd... 4kids: Yeah that's pretty chill, let's air this! Tbh I know some shows are not affraid of this today but I always think it's funny how even on very censored platforms, some shows can't even show a puch being thrown at someone (good example: Avatar the Last Airbender - the show is very adult with it's topics but you barely see any actual physical fighting contact in the show, end even if, it's a comedic slap to the face to not play it off as actual violence) meanwhile this TMNT show just goes away with... all of this... on freaking 4kids of all channels. Some other shows and animated movies had a lot of close calls with some suprisingly dark scenes and adult jokes lmao.
I literally stopped watching after seeing “same as it never was” cause I was so traumatized as a kid. Then picked it up again when I was older and ended up really loving the series
TMNT wiki actually admitted the same as it never was based on the episode how long is forever from Teen Titans, that episode with Starfire and she travels two decades into the future and everyone is literally like anti social, depressed and doing their one things. In fact I believe both of these shows had similar episodes.
I remember finding an episode of where Donnie was truning into monster(I forgot what exactly happend) and that episode literally left me traumatized 2 years ago(I'm 13 now lol)
It's kinda funny all at once! I think the Archie comics were already going in this direction when they were cancelled. It's kind of inevitable for TMNT to get a little dark at some point (but anything that involved Steve Murphy/Clarrain or Peter Laird was inherently dark).
True. I like it when they go 180 and make a dark story. My first time reading a TMNT comic was The Last Ronin, which was great (it was also truly something) I might also give the Archie comics a chance someday. Also, long time no see!
@@cliffturbo2146 Tales of the TMNT vol 2 was probably the darkest version of Archie (it was canon at the time, but half of the series was written by the same guy). It is probably the better sampler of the original Turtles and it was written during the time this show came out, so there are a lot of similarities.
that gutsy splash sound at 0:25 surprised me a bit to see this in a kids show to be honest lol😆and here i thought Extreme Ghostbusters was a super dark (and fucking awesome) series
Rewatching this show for nostalgia with the new movie out, and I love it to death But it's so hard to take Shredder seriously when every time he shows up, that stupid Kabuki "YOOOOO" sound plays. It keeps cracking me up
Fun Fact: Because of Season 4 being so dark, season 5 was never aired and season 6-7 were more kid friendly. Although, I do like Fast Forward more than Back to the Sewers
I love the fact that they went with implying stuff instead of showing when it comes to gruesomness. That way your mind can and will make up stuff far worse than what they would've shown
There was also that *mass grave scene* during the episode where Donnie and April find her uncle. Straight up just says it, "It's a mass grave". Like damn.
To me, Baxter Stockman's transformation from a new body to one that slowly disintegrates, to the point we see the muscles exposed, and miss limbs scared me as a kid. But also I am glad
This show gives Avatar the Last Airbender some serious competition on who can handle dark topics tastefully. It's not Clone Wars-level bloody, but it was getting close.
This show had *SERIOUS* balls, and I love it. We would never get anything like this nowadays - TMNT 2012 came pretty close in some areas, even going as far as to kill off Splinter, which I used to think made the 2012 series surpass the 2003 series...but yeah, 2003's insanely dark as these highlighted moments clearly show, so it's still the darkest of all shows with its violence, deaths (all those thick, juicy slicing and ripping noises...eugh) and occasional gruesome imagery like Baxter Stockman's deteriorating clone body.
4Kids: Death is too scary for children. - Proceeds to censor death in anime like Pokémon, Yugioh, and Sonic X. Also 4Kids: Have an episode where most of the characters (including 3 of the Turtles) die on screen.
Yeah, the "Made by 4Kids" stuff is especially surprising, considering people often complain that they censor everything and water down whatever isn't, and yet I always feel the need to point out, "Ninja Turtles"
My guess is this is because 4Kids did not have any real control over TMNT 2003 like they did with their anime dubs. That, and Mirage Studios were good at getting crap past the radar until Season 4 got Playmates to intervene.
I grew up watching the original TMNT, and that one really did feel more like a Saturday morning kids cartoon, but holy shit, they actually showed death and like actual flesh ripping sounds..... I gotta watching this version....
I remember this reboot of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 and I really do like the character's design and personalites a lot better than the other reboots from 1985, 2013 and 2018. It's a shame they never made a proper complete series onto DVD with all the season1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7 because that would keep the memories of the series alive with the next generation of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles , I know they already made a few DVDs from 2003 which is disappointment sadly and I can only watch them on TH-cam as long as the episodes are still there😔.
Goddamn, I didn't even flinch with Baxter stockman slowly being reduced to a brain, but watching all this, how did all the death and gruesome flesh sounds as innocent people died screaming just fly right over my head o.o
TMNT 2003 is amazing and I loved it it's a masterpiece with the storytelling music and characters it's amazing and probably close to being my favorite with 2012 this show was way darker then I thought it was going be especially for being by 4kids
well yeah they watered down the newer versions. Sure 2012 has it's weird moments....but it's literally nothing compared to this show was. Allowing the turtles to say shell and freak whenever since teens be teenagering, but not on Nickelodeon cause that's too much there lol. Even though let's kill splinter twice....I mean i do give Nickelodeon some pass to knowing they allowed death scenes, but not as common or grewsome as this was. If anything the 2012 is literally a safe manga at this point using anime expressions and tones since yes it's going for comic vibe , but it's not going for traditional comic, it's going by safe manga that you could find probably at walmart. Seeing how they won't show too much. So it's very watered down from the original. I believe they're even younger in 2012 as well then in this series.
A lot of cartoons can still be dark when they want to be, just look at "True Colors" from Amphibia, "Hollow Mind" from Owl House, and literally ALL of Infinity Train. When it comes to violence though yeah, I agree, S&P has gotten a lot stricter
@@savageratentertainment 2012 was too good. the weirdest moments were so funny and so was its artsyle. The show got so serious as seasons progressed. Wish we had season 6 but was replaced by the below average rise of tmnt
It amazes till this day that they censor the crap out of anime they dubbed, but they let TMNT be way more brutal than the uncensored anime. Stockman has to be the most brutal transformations I've ever seen seen a kids show. None of of TMNT cartoons that came after were this insane.
@@redrazorx-23 It depends on the network and timeframe. 80's shows like GiJoe had to make do with laser guns and a lot of 90's shows did as well. Something like Batman got away with it due to the guns being from a different time.
Considering kids see worse in pg rated films, this isn't really shocking. This sort of violence is sort of par for the course in your average Disney film. I'd say what's really surprising is how other cartoon shows are way more sanitized compared to this. The Batman, Teen Titans, Ben 10, Xiaolin Showdown, heck even Avatar the Last Airbender, couldn't even show a single corpse on screen, yet even imply death or brutality of any kind. Yet somehow, 4kids of all companies, were able to get away with this in TMNT.
That ain't true, we saw the Monk that raised Aang's skeleton in the middle of dozens of dead Fire Nation soldiers. The princess of the Northern Water Tribe literally died in Sokka's arms. And we watched Roku and his dragon get killed by an erupting volcano.
The Batman and Teen Titans had some pretty dark moments, what are you talking about? The Batman's Joker was absolutely terrifying to me as a kid, especially every time we saw him use the laughing gas and literally watch civilians laugh to death. As for Teen Titans: see Raven's entire arc, Slade dying on screen, and the episode 'Haunted' (which is still my favorite to this day) where Robin is psychologically and neurally tortured to near-death; easily the most suspenseful episode in the series. Not everything has to be gratuitously violent and gory to be brutal or disturbing.
agree and if theirs going to be blood i think japanese shows do the right amount american shows wayyy over do it with the gore though it is on "adult" shows@@AnimaVox_
i mean there are still shows out there that are marketed to kids yet show dark stuff like so, like for instance in Amphibia a major character gets stabbed through the chest ON SCREEN and it wasnt played as a gag or anything like that it played it off as seriously as TMNT 2003 has, and also in a show called The Owl House we literally see a man who due to a curse turned into a gooie kind of guy and was literally melting and showing his bones and eventually he made it to a room with his dead brother's clones corpse and then tried to possess it (he has that ability) but since it wasnt stable it literally shows the corpse's skin melting off to the bone
Back when the show was running they should have made a crossover between this and Batman Beyond (or Batman the Animated Series either series Works honestly)
The Batman (basically the WB/CW's Batman animated series premiering in 2004 and had it's fair share of messed up things and goofy moments in the show) is put on equal ground with TMNT 2012.
I wonder how many "X is a kids show" type videos can be made before we all realise a lot of kids stuff is just dark as hell, and that's just more normal than we let on
+Bornanime3255 FINALLY, Somebody said It! As Someone who has grown up & watched so many Cartoons (Nick, CN, Disney, etc) from the 90's to Now, there are so many examples! Cartoon Network's Entire Portfolio ALONE is Filled with Examples. And you what? I LOVE that as a kid! I was pretty aware stuff like Rocko Modern's Life, Powerpuff Girls, Invader Zim, Regular Show, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Dexter's Lab, Samurai Jack, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Adventure Time, Hey Arnold, Chowder, Animaniacs, Flapjack, Fairly OddParents, Tom & Jerry, Codename: KND, El Tigre, Teen Titans, The Amazing World of Gumball, Looney Tunes, Gravity Falls, SpongeBob SquarePants, Ren & Stimpy, Wander Over Yonder, Cow & Chicken, Shrek all had plenty of Naughty Jokes, Innuendos, Violence & even Commentary in varying degrees and I ate that shit up! The PPG Ep, Bubblevicious lighted a joyous spark in me & seeing people being shocked when recent shows like Amphibia, Big City Greens, Rise of the TMNT, Owl House, The Ghost & Molly Mcgee, The Cuphead Show do similar dark stuff has growingly annoyed me to no end.
If it was on prime time and cable, they could get away with a whole lot more. I'm pretty sure Cartoon Network in particular just flat out ignored every parent complaint. Also Ted Turner had a lot of friends in high places (the literal highest places) so that may also explain why his channel could get away with so much
It's shows like 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Star Wars The Clone Wars, Batman The Animated Series, and Avatar the Last Airbender that made my childhood awesome. They're all considered "kids" shows, but they know how to handle a dark tone with mature subjects without treating its audience like idiots.
Early 2000-2010s kids shows were so much darker than they are now. TMNT, Ren & Stimpy, Avatar, Billy & Mandy, Invader, Zim, Courage, Flapjack, Teen Titans, Static Shock, etc. But even so, I think they still towed the line between "dark" and "inappropriate" really well. Kids can handle dark moments. They can handle things that are scary or make you sad. Learning that those emotions are part of storytelling and life is a good thing. Not everything needs to be super sanitized. Being able to process deeper emotions & stories is a really important part of being a well-adjusted adult. Not everything is always going to go your way. Sometimes you're going to experience things in life that hurt really really bad. Sometimes you're going to face uncertainty. But you take those challenges and deal with them head-on. Not pretend like those challenges will never appear & freak out when life hits you with a solid dose of reality. Hopefully things go back to the way they were. Maybe not with the same stories and characters. But with an understanding that kids aren't stupid and that they can handle being out of bubble wrap for more than a few seconds. I think they'll be much better for it.
There is no bad TMNT Cartoon. The 1980s Brought the Turtles to life from the comics. 2003's brought dark moments that match the comic tone (until later seasons) 2012's brought such a great sense of maturity. And Rise brought forth great comedic moments. (any complaints, I am open up to conversations.)
Casey and Master Splinter’s deaths in SAINW hurt. Seeing Casey’s picture and Splinter’s grave was like a sucker punch to the gut when I first watched this.
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Edit: Holy moly, 250K views! Thank you all for watching guys! I love the show a lot so I felt that a video like this one needed to happen.
Darn it, i made such a funny comment...
what rule??
@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 Where any video that's considered a kids content will be turned into one. No comments and such.
@@cliffturbo2146 just add the word "fuck" somewhere in the video... even if its just a subtitle. problem solved. XD Ive seen it done.
@@ShiirowI probably will next time☝️
Stockman's story was the most drastic and disturbing part imo
Ye when i was a kid i relase it was dark, like every time he failed he lost leg, or hand, till he became brain it was actually very sad.......
@@nikolaglasnovic368 good thing he got a happy ending.
Agreed, so dark.
Fun Fact: Because of Season 4 and mostly the Stockman Episode being so dark, season 5 was never aired and season 6-7 were more kid friendly.
@@fdg2208 In my country only first three seasons were dubbed and aired.
Bro Donnie going into the future and seeing his brothers basically die was so depressing
He was really unfortunate when they all teleported by Draco and the Ninja.
I'm kind of shocked Donnie didn't suffer PTSD after that.
@@Asaylum117 It would have been interesting if they played around with the idea of Don wanting to do everything in his power to prevent that ghastly future where he disappeared and everything went to hell. Aside from feeling responsible for Splinter in season 7, Don never really gets that much character development in this show so this could've served as a starting point to something else.
@@danieliliev5236 100% agree after watching that episode i was hoping they would've done a bit more to show what donatello went through
@@Asaylum117 I think the only time we ever saw him depressed was in the king episode, don was very upset with Kirby getting stuck in that world, however that was also kinda short lived.
They are not dead
They went to the shadow realm
That makes so much sense!
YES SMART
Nope. They're dead.
They just a huge fans of Gory Discretion Shots.
I think Stockman's eye went into the shadow realm in season 1.
To be honest, I think that might actually be worse.
I love the fact that people are literally dying in this video and then all of a sudden...
Raph: "No! My bag!!"
🤣🤣
He really loves the bag.😂
The most tragic casualty in the show. RIP Raph's bag.
Raph: "No! My bag!!"
Bully: "My back..."
they did not die they just got sent to the shadow realm.....🤭👍
@@cliffturbo2146 So much he previously sliced it with his sais even harder than what Leo did to it
And this is 4kids by the way. You know the company that's notorious for censoring anime to be child friendly. Then one day they decided let's make a gritty tmnt cartoon
4kids is an unpredictable channel
And surprisingly, it was very faithful to the Eastman and Laird comics.
@@KLANGS NOPE,4 KIDS JUST PUT THE MONEY,THE SHOW WAS MADE BY MIRAGE STUDIOS
@@ArcTrooper269 But they still let it air with all this stuff in it. Meanwhile, One Piece exists/
I know it's one of life's Mysteries.
3:57 soldiers getting brutally murdered by leatherhead
4kids: yeah we can allow that
Pokemon: "shows japanese food"
4kids: WAIT, THAT'S ILLEGAL
These donuts needs to get censored!
TMNT: *Kills 3 of the turtles on screen in an episode.
4Kids: It’s fine. Kids won’t be traumatized by this.
Sonic X: *Tails admitting to Cosmo about his love before he shoots and kill her to save the galaxy.
4Kids: No it’s too much for kids. Let’s make them friends and let’s have Tails just shoot her with no emotion.
Well for the donut thing, that's not really censorship, it's localization
@@mbrillon765 don't you mean Americanization
@@miguelcastillo3723 Not really, there are other countries besides America where little kids probably aren't familiar with Onigiri, so they change it to something those kids would be more familiar with
I will always and forever respect the performances of the voice actors for this show. Especially Leo's VA in this, he was so good at keeping the calm controlled tone so when he heightened his tone for the harsher line delivers it felt so real. Ah I just love this show partly nostalgia and mostly because it's just such a great version of the tmnt.
Regardless of the problems with 4Kids, their casting choices for most of their shows was so amazing, I don’t know how they do it
They’re all extremely experienced, Mikey was Joey Wheeler before and Raph Yusei, it didn’t hurt that all of them are from nyc, at least for the turtle vas
Leo didn't know the shredder was an Alien. In his conscious and mind, he was willing to kill by decapitation a human being.
He probably should have double tapped. IMO
Seeing how Splinter was raised in Japan, decapitation's for immorally wrong people especially if you want to go back to when they did it, such as seppuku, that was a normal act for a family to do to another if horribly dishonored the family, now take a ninja, you really think Leo would have any problems (seeing how he did this as well in 2012 cartoon) to decapitate an awful person, a demon in his eyes? No of course not. His code is no matter the circumstances, the bad guy has to die. And in Ninjutsu if things get rough like that scene was, it was either Leo or him, so Leo aimed for his head. The best way to kill anyone especially wearing a suite of literal armor is to decapitate them. This is a normal act for a serious fight.
@@savageratentertainment currection in this continuity splinter was raised by a Japanese immigrant and is a rat that became a person.
@@chronic-joker well yes...in the very original....but I'm referring to THIS Splinter not the one in the comics in general.
this Splinter was a regular rat who was adopted by Hamato Yoshi who isn't an immigrant but was part of the foot clan himself in all series actually that continued, he was part of the foot clan in the beginning always having a rivalry with Saki
each version does change like how in 2012, Hamato Yoshi is muted into a rat and takes care of 4 turtles
in 2003 series Splinter watches Hamato Yoshi die which he even says in the series and then travels to America to get away from it all and then the accident happened
each one is always a bit different.
and if we're talking 1980s version of the show Hamato also travels to America because he was kicked out of the foot clan for treason for thinking he was about to murder the master after Saki sabotages him by sticking a knife in his shirt to the wall so he can't bow down to the master making him pull out the knife in confusion making him look like he was going to murder the master making him leave and going to America where the mutation accident happens there where at first living amongst the rats. Which is why he turns into one then soon the mutatagin spills down along with the turtles confusing him until they all change.
so if you want "continuity" probably more in the comics than there is in each different show series....so I was specifically referring to this one because yes Splinter was in JAPAN with Hamato until he saw his Master murdered making him leave Japan to America to escape.
so really there really isn't a huge continuity in each show seeing how one show it's Hamato Yoshi as a rat and in 2003 and onward for a long while was just Master Splinter as a rat who turned more human.
trust me kid, I've been a fan since I was 8 years old and I'm 27, made my own website watched every season and every series that came to pass and even since the beginning of youtube back in 2005 is when I started watching the 1980s version, japanese version as well, along with some parts of Europe versions just to see the difference, and then watched immediately 2003- to fast forward to back to the future 2007 movie that people were meh about to this day, and even 2012 where it's was supposedly suppose to be a representation in another form of the 1980s version which is why they brought back a lot of the old characters be rehashed them into a bit of a different scenario
the only one I refuse to watch is raise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles cause it looks like teen titans go on steriods but with turtles and I absolutely hate it
@@savageratentertainment th-cam.com/video/lMAA3wr9fa0/w-d-xo.html
splinter was in the USA to begin with and never left japan because he was never in it also the foot was set in the states in this cannon from the start and Yoshi was highly likely an immigrant given his name.
also, cannon means the continues train of event and information within a story. your understanding of cannon seems very off the cannon of each individual show is there own.
Kids can handle more than we take credit for. Parents need to stop behaving like total lawnmowers and let their kids be exposed to life's realities good and bad.
Yeah. Many shows has been like that many years ago.
It sucks that they feed kids childish garbage now
@@KLANGS kinda
Not all but most
like you said not all... but most are. i seriously if some were made by chronic crack/pot smokers. or whatever it is that they're on.
4kids: This anime is too much! We gotta censor the hell out of everything! No blood, no guns, no cleavage, no references to Japanese food, ALL GONE SCRUB IT CLEAN!!
Also 4Kids:
I mean, when you replace the concept of death with sending your literal inner spirit to hell when losing a fucking card game, you begin to question a thing or to.
I'm convinc'd that ur right an' this is tha reason they eat pizza
In the second episode of Back to the Sewer, April mentions that Casey ended up with blood on him from someone else (implying Khan's mind control was more brutal than we see).
The proof that 4Kids actually cherry picked when it came down to home production and imported shows.
You'll notice this anime has no blood, no guns, no cleavage and only a little bit of reference to Japanese food, but it takes place in New York.
There are alot of things that went over my head when I was a kid. Rewatching the show as an adult is a new experience.
Damn no wonder the 2003 version of tmnt is a fan favorite(mine's too). It captures the dark tone of the original mirage comics so good. Definitely need to rewatch this again.
This is exactly why I prefer this version over 2012 any day
@@gilbertmillers4865 some say 2012 insulted the adult intelligence
I have nostalgia for tmnt 2012 but my dad had the dvds for 2003 it was the first time I watched tmnt but all I can say I hate s6 and s7 but I love turtles forever
@@gilbertmillers4865from season 3 2012 also became more and more darker no debate
@@glitchchungus8318 true
Fun Fact: Season 4 was so dark, that they originally cancelled season 5 for Fast Forward. While Season 4 was one of the best, it did go too far in some places. Playmates basically panicked that the potential season 5 tone might alienate the audience further (which in turn affected the toy sales) so they made fast forward. The rumor is that Peter Laird personally funded for the season 5 (Ninja Tribunal) to be finished. The Baxter Stockman episode was banned from airing on US TV, until Nickelodeon bought the series. (It did broadcast outside US and the episode got released on DVD)
Nightmares Recycled for example was probably where things would have jumped the gun even worse, you've heard of that episode no?
@@TheWorldsBiggestFan89 was never finished
It wasn't just one of the best, after rewatching Season 4, I'd say it is the best season hands down. Almost every episode feels like it's ripped right from the original mirage comics while also being a winner. Season 5 wasn't as good with its many plot holes and contrivances.
I really don't understand parents when they always complaining and shelter the kids from stuff like this. They grew up on the same damn thing or worse. The positive things is we could see season 5 the Ninja Tribunal and Baxter Stockman episode "Insane in the Membrane" which is pretty amazing but dark. This series was more faithful to the comics than anything. A lot of people didn't like Fast Forward but the final 7th season kind of went back to it's original format with different animation.
@@marvelboi3416 there weren't any complaints, just Playmates and 4kids got cold feet
FOX logic:
Sonic X: "We can't have Maria killed by G.U.N., that's too dark!"
Winx Club: "We can't have Musa slap Icy, that's too violent!"
TMNT '03: "Leatherhead eviscerating Bishop's goons? Sounds good!"
yeah there's no reasoning behind this. other than the fact 4kids only produced tmnt 2003 instead of importing it.
@@GladDestronger TMNT Out of the Shadows was a movie meant to be for kids it didn't have violence it had April O'Neil becoming Alexis Texas
Or never mind the fact that FOX were also completely fine with showing Leatherhead get PTSD flashbacks of him going through torturous and mutilating experiments.
@@Rediscool9 or Lampwick becoming a donkey
Viewer: " Is it really okay to imply that level of violence in a show aimed at 8-13 year olds"?
4Kids: "It's okay, their robots drones. You can tear them apart"
*Leatherhead eviscerates both men brutality, screams for mercy mixing with the snapping of bones and tearing flesh*
Viewer "Those are people! You said they were robots"!
4Kids: "It's a figure of speech. They are just faceless grunts following a villains orders, don't respect them."
A kids show? It's open to debate. But it doesn't change the fact that I love this show.
Nah, it’s a kid’s show definitely.
@@pn2294 with death
@@silverstrike5904 still a kid’s show
@P N a darker and edger kid show
But it's 4Kids.
Joke aside, never thought I'd see something like this in the early/mid 2000's. Hell, beats some of the 90's and even 80's stuff.
This whole story was such a dope way to show scifi horror to kids
It's like the real thing look at batman the animated show . They have a bit of gory stuff in it.
Everybody is saying "4Kids made this dark show", but that's partially wrong. The tone of the series is due to Peter Laird, writer of the original TMNT comic book series who gave the animated series an dark tone similar to the comic.
Still weird that 4Kids didn’t do the usual hack job censorship
I still am shocked how this show got away with a lot of the shit it had past 4Kids eyes. Hell, I'm just glad I grew up with this show when I did. When I was a kid, I wasn't too traumatized by the darker moments this show had (aside from the Rat King). It makes me sad that we won't be getting shows like TMNT 2003 ever again. It's even more frustrating that this show never got a proper full series release on physical media. I would pay every penny, just to have TMNT 2003 in my animation collection.
Same here. I'd love to have a full box set of this series.
I know right! It'd be great if they do.
Finally someone who gets my desire to own a physical copy of this show
@@AndreNitroX For someone who collects physical media for older shows & movies, TMNT 2003 honestly deserves a full & proper release of it.
@@Asaylum117 agreed, I already own most of the volumes, but i am a completionist, so i desire all of the show just to personally add to my collection of basically every show i loved as a kid and that still hold up.
Sound effects are everything. Not a drop of blood was spilled but you could instantly recognize the sound of skull crunching and soft brain splattering against pavement.
Season 4 was DEFINITELY the darkest and most violent season in the whole series.
That's the one season I never watched years back. Never realized the show could take such route. Which I like :)
what happened In season 4
@@jadenmcmillan4306 Oh just Leo suffering from depression and PTSD, horrifying mutations of humans shown onscreen, Agent Bishop’s body melting horrifically and showing his skeleton, Donnie mutating into a horrifying monster, Baxter Stockman’s body coming undone and having his finger come off onscreen and becoming basically a zombie as well as showing his JAW coming off, tons of body horror, etc. but y’know that’s about it.
@@Rediscool9 also the Rat King and that poor sailor who Bishop used as a guinea pig
@@Rediscool9 oh my gosh
The first 5 seasons of the 2003 TMNT show had pretty violent moments which made it stand out from the other shows 4Kids dubbed. The episode where Leo stabs the illusion Splinter stands out to me the most.
Yeah. I love it when 4Kids could do whatever they want with their show (or this one at least). What stood out for me was when Leo beheaded the Shredder. Not an actual human, but still.
That is true. Season four was when the violent, dark moments were so present (especially with Insane With The Membrane's body horror banning it from air), that Playmates took notice and forced Mirage Studios to tone it down by shelving season five and skipping straight to Fast Forward, which was more light-hearted.
An illusion... He stabbed an illusion aka not the real thing...
Was gonna comment this, sad he didn’t include that scene
Also 4kids kept the scene of Ms double finger...err "Ms. New year eve" stabbing illusion Nami in their Alabasta fight.
*REMEMBER, THE SHOW WAS MADE BY MIRAGE STUDIOS, THE CREATORS OF THE COMIC*
TMNT Out of the Shadows turned April O'Neil into Alexis Texas & also TMNT meant to be a kids movie
@@editingman95 🤭🤭🤭
@@alanmorris4896 do you know who is she
@@editingman95 I watched some of her movies
@@alanmorris4896 I had a friend in grade 7-8 he was my Bully in grade 7 until later in grade 8 after I fought him he became my friend he doesn't talk about her to me he talks about Alexis to my friends
Then why did April do that
really love how they manage to make gruesome and totally dark scenes so damn well even if they didn't show anything or a little of the aftermath, makes these moments feel even more dark
Stockman's finger slipping off is gruesome, but the 4Kids music playing in kinda makes it funny.
It makes it more awesome not just funny.
I'm really glad they didn't make it so childish.
Some people think the show is too dark for kids but come on, kids eventually have to be mature and these aren't even close to being bad for kids. I actually enjoyed this show and I still do.
Virtually all kids need to be exposed to 90s cartoons like Animals of Farthing wood. Hell even stuff like Captain Planet and Bangers and Mash could throw kids the occasional mature scenes and lessons.
Also a great example of how effective sound effects can be when you can’t show actual violence
me: Oh he's fiiiine
splatter sound plays
me: NEVER MIND
The 2003 series is a much more closer adaptation of the original Comics, infact Eastman and Laird were producers for the series.
As a side note, it's rumored that Laird hated the 87 series, and that may explain the depictions of the 87 Turtles in the crossover special Turtles Forever
Laird doesn't hate the 87 series per se, he dislikes it for being kid friendly unlike the comics.
Just and only peter laird
Kevin Eastmann wasn't involved in the production of the 2003 series
Oh well cant please everybody
Agent Bishop was the greatest contribution to the franchise this series made. I wish the franchise would use him more.
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So... They're willing to make one of the darkest TMNT series to date... But still feel the need to censor the crap out of Yugioh and One Piece?
The power of irony is strong within 4Kids.
They censored sonic X too
4Kids an American company banning guns is both stupid and hilariously ironic.
With TMNT, they had Peter Laird pressuring them to make the show similar to the Mirage comics, with One Piece Toei did not care what 4Kids did with that show in the US.
@@spritemon98 Yep. Like removing words from signs stupid. 😆
The Thing horror refrences, people being eaten alive, being stabbed and cut in the spine, blown up in cars, decapitated, slowly being robbed of body parts and turned into a brain in jar and then turned into a melting body zombie (with some really gruesome detail and shown bloody muscles), hung on a freaking metal hooks, squashed to death, turned into skeletons and goo, showcase of heavy torture and ptsd...
4kids: Yeah that's pretty chill, let's air this!
Tbh I know some shows are not affraid of this today but I always think it's funny how even on very censored platforms, some shows can't even show a puch being thrown at someone (good example: Avatar the Last Airbender - the show is very adult with it's topics but you barely see any actual physical fighting contact in the show, end even if, it's a comedic slap to the face to not play it off as actual violence) meanwhile this TMNT show just goes away with... all of this... on freaking 4kids of all channels. Some other shows and animated movies had a lot of close calls with some suprisingly dark scenes and adult jokes lmao.
4kids:censor a cigar into a lollipop and weapons into waterguns
Also 4kids: people being behead,stabed and mauled by monsters YEAAAA
Raph’s bag was the most heartbreaking death of all time🪦
True dat😞
God when they burned down April's apartment and her dads shop? I cried for days, that was just 1 too many Ls for the team in a row for me as a kid
This is the TMNT that I grew up with and loved as a child. 4kids did it justice.
They really did
4kids didnt do shit
If one of the creators of TMNT 4kids would have screwd this up
No they didn’t lol. 4Kids is the reason this show got toned down and why season 6 and 7 are the way they are compared to the first 5 seasons.
Same
Sadly the last to seasons back to the sewer and fast forward were trash cause it was to dark but i watched this when i was five and i was fine
I literally stopped watching after seeing “same as it never was” cause I was so traumatized as a kid. Then picked it up again when I was older and ended up really loving the series
I never saw the third season, but the one with Shredder killing off Hamato Yoshi left me speechless years back. That's how I even got into the show XD
TMNT wiki actually admitted the same as it never was based on the episode how long is forever from Teen Titans, that episode with Starfire and she travels two decades into the future and everyone is literally like anti social, depressed and doing their one things. In fact I believe both of these shows had similar episodes.
Still traumatized
I remember finding an episode of where Donnie was truning into monster(I forgot what exactly happend) and that episode literally left me traumatized 2 years ago(I'm 13 now lol)
@@adttalia5706 That too reminded of Beast Boy mutated.
It's kinda funny all at once! I think the Archie comics were already going in this direction when they were cancelled. It's kind of inevitable for TMNT to get a little dark at some point (but anything that involved Steve Murphy/Clarrain or Peter Laird was inherently dark).
True. I like it when they go 180 and make a dark story. My first time reading a TMNT comic was The Last Ronin, which was great (it was also truly something) I might also give the Archie comics a chance someday.
Also, long time no see!
@@cliffturbo2146 Tales of the TMNT vol 2 was probably the darkest version of Archie (it was canon at the time, but half of the series was written by the same guy). It is probably the better sampler of the original Turtles and it was written during the time this show came out, so there are a lot of similarities.
TMNT 2003: has lots of dark moments
TMNT 2012: kills off Splinter
that gutsy splash sound at 0:25 surprised me a bit to see this in a kids show to be honest lol😆and here i thought Extreme Ghostbusters was a super dark (and fucking awesome) series
Rewatching this show for nostalgia with the new movie out, and I love it to death
But it's so hard to take Shredder seriously when every time he shows up, that stupid Kabuki "YOOOOO" sound plays. It keeps cracking me up
Fun Fact: Because of Season 4 being so dark, season 5 was never aired and season 6-7 were more kid friendly. Although, I do like Fast Forward more than Back to the Sewers
Lmao “the show’s downfall” y’all are so biased towards seasons 1-4 and don’t give the latter seasons a chance
@@rickyronny4019 because it's as good.
@@jacobtrimble4329 Fast Forward was fine
@@rickyronny4019 That is true. From what I heard, it was Back To The Sewer that was horrible.
@@jeremyriley1238 wasn't bad but I prefered Fast Forward. The latter shoulda gotten a second season
I love the fact that they went with implying stuff instead of showing when it comes to gruesomness. That way your mind can and will make up stuff far worse than what they would've shown
My childhood was perfect
Absolutely!👍
There was also that *mass grave scene* during the episode where Donnie and April find her uncle. Straight up just says it, "It's a mass grave". Like damn.
I know that one. They pulled no stops in Season 4.
To me, Baxter Stockman's transformation from a new body to one that slowly disintegrates, to the point we see the muscles exposed, and miss limbs scared me as a kid. But also I am glad
in 90s 4Kidz was back then okay with gunsin mangas. But since TMNT is a reboot of 1987 that was made by Americans.
I remember watching this as a kid. I have a few DVDs from this show somewhere in my basement.
Ah cool. These DVDs are hard to find nowadays.
3:56
I'm personally glad that Leatherhead is a good guy.
The sound design was brutal
We were just different back then and the shows we watched helped
Fr.
0:30 hey, it's the "yeeeoooooooooo!" sound.
This show gives Avatar the Last Airbender some serious competition on who can handle dark topics tastefully. It's not Clone Wars-level bloody, but it was getting close.
This show had *SERIOUS* balls, and I love it. We would never get anything like this nowadays - TMNT 2012 came pretty close in some areas, even going as far as to kill off Splinter, which I used to think made the 2012 series surpass the 2003 series...but yeah, 2003's insanely dark as these highlighted moments clearly show, so it's still the darkest of all shows with its violence, deaths (all those thick, juicy slicing and ripping noises...eugh) and occasional gruesome imagery like Baxter Stockman's deteriorating clone body.
I'm so glad someone made a video like this
Thank you
You're welcome!
@@cliffturbo2146 this
show is cruel very very cruel like seriously cruel
@@nintendoswitchguylee6149 That's kind of what I like about it :)
When I was a kid this scared the heck out of me. And it still does, it's a great cartoon. Very nostalgic
Proper anime: Censored to the moon and back
TMNT 2003: Eh, do whatever you want.
4Kids: Death is too scary for children. - Proceeds to censor death in anime like Pokémon, Yugioh, and Sonic X.
Also 4Kids: Have an episode where most of the characters (including 3 of the Turtles) die on screen.
Yeah, the "Made by 4Kids" stuff is especially surprising, considering people often complain that they censor everything and water down whatever isn't, and yet I always feel the need to point out, "Ninja Turtles"
My guess is this is because 4Kids did not have any real control over TMNT 2003 like they did with their anime dubs. That, and Mirage Studios were good at getting crap past the radar until Season 4 got Playmates to intervene.
@@jeremyriley1238 indeed.
This is the reason why I love this show (and still like it). I agree that 2012 is good (for me they are the second popular ones after 2003 show).
I grew up watching the original TMNT, and that one really did feel more like a Saturday morning kids cartoon, but holy shit, they actually showed death and like actual flesh ripping sounds.....
I gotta watching this version....
The Mirage comics, the 2003 and the 2012 series are arguably the darkest adaptations of the TMNT franchise
Definitely
I am an adult discovering some of these for the first time, and I can safely say I'm sleeping poorly tonight.
3:48 dude you can hear the bones getting crushed and what I can only imagine as blood gushing out
And Stockman couldn't do anything.
This is so nostalgic for me
Yeah.
Same
I remember this reboot of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 and I really do like the character's design and personalites a lot better than the other reboots from 1985, 2013 and 2018. It's a shame they never made a proper complete series onto DVD with all the season1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7 because that would keep the memories of the series alive with the next generation of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles , I know they already made a few DVDs from 2003 which is disappointment sadly and I can only watch them on TH-cam as long as the episodes are still there😔.
Tmnt 2013?
You mean 2012 ?
I remember my mouth dropped when Leo cut Shredder's head off.
The 2012 series dark tone really doesn’t exceed the 2003 series dark tone.
The leather head backstory had me scared the pstd
Goddamn, I didn't even flinch with Baxter stockman slowly being reduced to a brain, but watching all this, how did all the death and gruesome flesh sounds as innocent people died screaming just fly right over my head o.o
"4Kidz. We are hypocrits."
Double Standard 100
This reminds me of the animated Batman series, no huge amounts of blood, but *plenty* of body horror.
While not bloody or gory, this was surprisingly graphic for a children’s cartoon.
The friggin Japanese "YOOOOOOO" when Shredder is about to merc someone just took away all tension and build up and just made me laugh lol
Not everything has to be child-friendly.
Stuff like this need to be created for everyone, not just kids.
TMNT 2003 is amazing and I loved it it's a masterpiece with the storytelling music and characters it's amazing and probably close to being my favorite with 2012 this show was way darker then I thought it was going be especially for being by 4kids
This was so good in the days. Looking at current cartoons feels childish now
well yeah they watered down the newer versions. Sure 2012 has it's weird moments....but it's literally nothing compared to this show was. Allowing the turtles to say shell and freak whenever since teens be teenagering, but not on Nickelodeon cause that's too much there lol. Even though let's kill splinter twice....I mean i do give Nickelodeon some pass to knowing they allowed death scenes, but not as common or grewsome as this was. If anything the 2012 is literally a safe manga at this point using anime expressions and tones since yes it's going for comic vibe , but it's not going for traditional comic, it's going by safe manga that you could find probably at walmart. Seeing how they won't show too much.
So it's very watered down from the original. I believe they're even younger in 2012 as well then in this series.
Have. You. Seen. Any. Of. The. Fucking. Current. Cartoons. You. DIPSHIT!
A lot of cartoons can still be dark when they want to be, just look at "True Colors" from Amphibia, "Hollow Mind" from Owl House, and literally ALL of Infinity Train. When it comes to violence though yeah, I agree, S&P has gotten a lot stricter
@@savageratentertainment 2012 was too good. the weirdest moments were so funny and so was its artsyle. The show got so serious as seasons progressed. Wish we had season 6 but was replaced by the below average rise of tmnt
@@sixty-nine69843 Infinity Trains cool, Amphibia, Hollow, and Dragon Prince are so damn good.
Cartoons back then had BALLS.
Yup :)
I give respect to any kids show that show's someone die onscreen
4Kids on Every other show = Not family friendly enough.
TMNT 2003 =
God DAMN, the Shredder death scene at 4:47 is still as awesome now as it was when I was a kid lmao
shredder got Shredded
This has got to be right up there with Batman: The Animated Series in terms of how dark it can get!
That and Batman Beyond, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
beyond felt more gridder than the animated series
1:38 Insert clip of the Nostalgia Critic saying "You know, for kids!"
It amazes till this day that they censor the crap out of anime they dubbed, but they let TMNT be way more brutal than the uncensored anime. Stockman has to be the most brutal transformations I've ever seen seen a kids show. None of of TMNT cartoons that came after were this insane.
Please explain to me why guns were censored when 4kids dubbed anime but every other american cartoon was fine with guns.
@@redrazorx-23
It depends on the network and timeframe. 80's shows like GiJoe had to make do with laser guns and a lot of 90's shows did as well. Something like Batman got away with it due to the guns being from a different time.
Considering kids see worse in pg rated films, this isn't really shocking. This sort of violence is sort of par for the course in your average Disney film. I'd say what's really surprising is how other cartoon shows are way more sanitized compared to this.
The Batman, Teen Titans, Ben 10, Xiaolin Showdown, heck even Avatar the Last Airbender, couldn't even show a single corpse on screen, yet even imply death or brutality of any kind. Yet somehow, 4kids of all companies, were able to get away with this in TMNT.
That ain't true, we saw the Monk that raised Aang's skeleton in the middle of dozens of dead Fire Nation soldiers. The princess of the Northern Water Tribe literally died in Sokka's arms. And we watched Roku and his dragon get killed by an erupting volcano.
The Batman and Teen Titans had some pretty dark moments, what are you talking about? The Batman's Joker was absolutely terrifying to me as a kid, especially every time we saw him use the laughing gas and literally watch civilians laugh to death. As for Teen Titans: see Raven's entire arc, Slade dying on screen, and the episode 'Haunted' (which is still my favorite to this day) where Robin is psychologically and neurally tortured to near-death; easily the most suspenseful episode in the series. Not everything has to be gratuitously violent and gory to be brutal or disturbing.
Avatar DEFINATELY implies death many MANY times
agree and if theirs going to be blood i think japanese shows do the right amount american shows wayyy over do it with the gore though it is on "adult" shows@@AnimaVox_
"I've certainly never used violence to take a life"
-Aang
the balance between darkness and humor in this show was >>>>>
Ah those were the days, where animated shows targeted for younger viewers were not afraid to show mature yet disturbing moments... Good times really.
i mean there are still shows out there that are marketed to kids yet show dark stuff like so, like for instance in Amphibia a major character gets stabbed through the chest ON SCREEN and it wasnt played as a gag or anything like that it played it off as seriously as TMNT 2003 has, and also in a show called The Owl House we literally see a man who due to a curse turned into a gooie kind of guy and was literally melting and showing his bones and eventually he made it to a room with his dead brother's clones corpse and then tried to possess it (he has that ability) but since it wasnt stable it literally shows the corpse's skin melting off to the bone
The old school anime influence was definitely creeping into American cartoons by 2003.
Back when the show was running they should have made a crossover between this and Batman Beyond (or Batman the Animated Series either series Works honestly)
...they made a movie of tmnt meets batman tho
Tmnt 1987= batman brave and the bold
Tmnt 2003= batman TAS
Tmnt 2012= the batman
I've never watched The Batman, but the others are pretty accurate.
The Batman (basically the WB/CW's Batman animated series premiering in 2004 and had it's fair share of messed up things and goofy moments in the show) is put on equal ground with TMNT 2012.
What was Rise of the TMNT like
Man, the sound effects are so Splattery, like damn
I wonder how many "X is a kids show" type videos can be made before we all realise a lot of kids stuff is just dark as hell, and that's just more normal than we let on
+Bornanime3255 FINALLY, Somebody said It! As Someone who has grown up & watched so many Cartoons (Nick, CN, Disney, etc) from the 90's to Now, there are so many examples! Cartoon Network's Entire Portfolio ALONE is Filled with Examples. And you what? I LOVE that as a kid! I was pretty aware stuff like Rocko Modern's Life, Powerpuff Girls, Invader Zim, Regular Show, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Dexter's Lab, Samurai Jack, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Adventure Time, Hey Arnold, Chowder, Animaniacs, Flapjack, Fairly OddParents, Tom & Jerry, Codename: KND, El Tigre, Teen Titans, The Amazing World of Gumball, Looney Tunes, Gravity Falls, SpongeBob SquarePants, Ren & Stimpy, Wander Over Yonder, Cow & Chicken, Shrek all had plenty of Naughty Jokes, Innuendos, Violence & even Commentary in varying degrees and I ate that shit up! The PPG Ep, Bubblevicious lighted a joyous spark in me & seeing people being shocked when recent shows like Amphibia, Big City Greens, Rise of the TMNT, Owl House, The Ghost & Molly Mcgee, The Cuphead Show do similar dark stuff has growingly annoyed me to no end.
If it was on prime time and cable, they could get away with a whole lot more. I'm pretty sure Cartoon Network in particular just flat out ignored every parent complaint. Also Ted Turner had a lot of friends in high places (the literal highest places) so that may also explain why his channel could get away with so much
4:04 is so gruesome! That's some raiders of the lost ark shit!
3:06 Me recalling my last dentist visit
lol🤣
It's shows like 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Star Wars The Clone Wars, Batman The Animated Series, and Avatar the Last Airbender that made my childhood awesome. They're all considered "kids" shows, but they know how to handle a dark tone with mature subjects without treating its audience like idiots.
thank you for saying that
And yet they felt that anime needed to be censored for the same audience they made this show for.
Early 2000-2010s kids shows were so much darker than they are now. TMNT, Ren & Stimpy, Avatar, Billy & Mandy, Invader, Zim, Courage, Flapjack, Teen Titans, Static Shock, etc. But even so, I think they still towed the line between "dark" and "inappropriate" really well. Kids can handle dark moments. They can handle things that are scary or make you sad. Learning that those emotions are part of storytelling and life is a good thing.
Not everything needs to be super sanitized. Being able to process deeper emotions & stories is a really important part of being a well-adjusted adult. Not everything is always going to go your way. Sometimes you're going to experience things in life that hurt really really bad. Sometimes you're going to face uncertainty. But you take those challenges and deal with them head-on. Not pretend like those challenges will never appear & freak out when life hits you with a solid dose of reality.
Hopefully things go back to the way they were. Maybe not with the same stories and characters. But with an understanding that kids aren't stupid and that they can handle being out of bubble wrap for more than a few seconds. I think they'll be much better for it.
Every time I hear the “YOOOOO” I mimic and copy it I honestly love it.
4kids: We can't show characters in Yugioh getting killed by guns or anything scary
Also 4Kids:
I love it when "kids shows" push these kind of boundaries.
This and the DC animated universe
And Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
And Code Lokyo.
And Samurai Jack.
I think I’m beginning to sense a pattern here…
DC was the pioneer at this, back in 1992, and back then cartoon censorship was MASSIVE
and early mcu movies like Incredible Hulk, capitan america the winter soldier and the punisher. the first two we’re almost given full R rating
@@akend4426Adventure time
Every CN show of 2010
There is no bad TMNT Cartoon.
The 1980s Brought the Turtles to life from the comics.
2003's brought dark moments that match the comic tone (until later seasons)
2012's brought such a great sense of maturity.
And Rise brought forth great comedic moments. (any complaints, I am open up to conversations.)
Rise also has top-notch animation.
@@cliffturbo2146 That is true. The rise has some fantastic animation.
Honestly, the worst parts of TMNT were the April love stories. Other than that they're all pretty solid.
@@scrittle I don't mind her and Casey in the 2000... But 2012 really did her and Donnie dirty.
Casey and Master Splinter’s deaths in SAINW hurt. Seeing Casey’s picture and Splinter’s grave was like a sucker punch to the gut when I first watched this.