Alhamdulillah, what an excellent episode! Imam Tom hit the nail on the head with his examination of the fundamental flaws of liberalism, uncovering truths that liberals in the comments find uncomfortable. We've all witnessed it. The moment a liberal encounters someone who dares to challenge their worldview, the "tolerance" dissipates. Couldn't agree more with his point about the lack of inclusivity within liberalism. While it claims to champion diversity and fairness, it often shuts down any differing opinions that don't align with its preconceived notions.
yeah, sure. what's up with the condecending tone? the liberal values allowed for you to speak in this manner on this platform. you just don't like the results of some liberties.(abortion being normalised despite it being closer to a tragedy. but again looking at the circumstances in the society, having more mouths to feed is not always that easy) but we are at least in the process of achieving that(a perfect system to benefit all humans) after 2-3 centuries of existing. islam after 1400 years still looks like 7th century Arabia. anyway, i posted a comment before you. go to the "newest comments" and look after it. and please reply to my points if you have time. i would appreciate it
today's liberals have mutated liberalism. but don't you find it ironic that muslims claim divine revelation and apparently get that wrong all the time [supposedly]. it is interesting your husband calls this an inquisition. have the liberals actually killed any muslims yet? but muslims have killed lots of liberals. speaking of homos, what did you think of the pulse night club attack in orlando?
Tom left out the crucial genocidal Jihad doctrine that the Satanic Muhammad spouted. Tom is waiting for the opportune moment to launch the ultimate Jihad to capture dictatorial power over the whole world.
I remind you that Western governments are tolerating people like Daniel Haqiqatjou who endorses child marriage and killing of apostates and homosexuals.
SoubhanAllah Imam Tom You leave us, as always, in awe. Direct, incisive, articulate, succinct, courteous yet courageous with more pithy quotes than one could possibly hope for. Aha. May Allah swt bless you for your kalam jamil, your beautiful speech, and continue to bless us with it. May He be pleased with your efforts and allow them to continue to be a sabab of guidance for many in the world, and especially in this, our wounded and scattered, yet brave and persevering ummah… InshaAllah
Liberalism is a path to overcome suffer, nothing more or less. To get happy in this life. To me it would be wonderful for Muslims beeng liberated. You would be very helpful for the world I guess. Not like the Americans or the Europeans... I bet you would care for your parents and children ❤❤❤ this how I see more than 90 percent of the Muslim and Christians also. The liberating shouldn't be exclusive to rich people to make more money. It should be given to normal and altruistic people for a better planet ❤❤❤
amazing questions and even better answers. Really benefited from this. Imam Tom's critique and analysis is so clear cut and so well elaborated. I love it. JZk. We really need this type of content.
This is the first time for me to this channel & hearing imam Tom makes me sad abt our umma & I wonder why many even thousands of muslims are willing there life & sacrifice death to go to Europe or west as a migrant ... its sore issue in muslim world I knw. I heard that migrating to another land in order to maintain your religion is kind of a worship.. but unfortunately its the other way round to us muslims as a whole. We need new breed of political leaders in muslim world that fear Allah Almighty. We all need to recognise that the sad thing is we are the ones to blame. Who blindly follows political leaders or partys.. its a form of tribalism that our prophet forbade, but no one seems to care abt The MBS's & el sisi's of our umma. Shame on to us 😪 Love from Maldives to all brothers and sisters of me 💚🙏
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:31 🏫 Liberal values and the Muslim community clash on issues like prayer in schools, holidays recognition, and sexuality education. 03:13 🤝 Liberals want to secularize Islam, creating a version of the religion that aligns with their values, which is why they push for "Progressive Islam." 11:22 🗽 Neutrality doesn't exist; liberal ideology relies on secularization to fit other value systems into a framework that it can govern. 15:21 👁️ Liberalism's view of humanity as material beings shapes its definition of rights and values, which can clash with Islamic values. 17:23 🔒 Liberal tolerance isn't absolute; it has limits, and secularization is often the prerequisite for tolerating a belief system or religion. 21:30 🏛️ Compromising with the liberal state varies in degrees, and some compromises may erode the essence of Islam. 22:26 🕌 There are different forms of compromise, including accepting citizenship, but some compromises may lead to the secularization of Islam. 23:43 🇺🇸 Living in the West, like the United States, can provide space to establish Islam without extreme compromise, depending on individual choices. 26:03 🏡 Intentionally choosing to live in Muslim communities and building Islamic institutions can help preserve the faith in Western contexts. 27:29 🇬🇧 Muslims in the UK have generally maintained their faith through generations, despite living in liberal states. 30:06 🗳️ In the U.S., liberalism is split between progressive Democrats and conservatives, revealing a tension within liberalism's relationship with the state. 32:28 📜 The U.S. Constitution is rooted in liberal principles but has limitations and historical contradictions regarding human rights. 34:46 🏛️ Liberalism's manifestations can vary among U.S. states due to the federal system, leading to different emphases on government involvement. 37:14 🤝 Navigating political life in liberal states requires Muslims to negotiate their rights within the framework of liberalism while maintaining their beliefs. 39:54 🌈 While Muslims may encounter challenges in liberal environments, there is room for courage and moral conviction to stand for their beliefs without compromising fundamental principles. 41:20 🤝 It's important for Muslims to be ready to make sacrifices in order to live according to their beliefs. 43:12 💬 Communication and principled stand are crucial when dealing with societal issues. 45:04 🌍 Islam can challenge the liberal project of secularization due to its emphasis on submission and righteousness. 47:17 💭 Nostalgia for a time when religious morals had a significant influence on society is problematic and unrealistic. 51:55 🔄 The idea of rewinding to a previous societal state is not practical; instead, Muslims should focus on addressing current issues. 58:57 📜 We need to think about how to move forward in addressing societal challenges, rather than attempting to reverse the secularization process. 01:00:18 🔍 Discussing and debating the ideas of liberalism within the Muslim community is essential, and there's room for more emphasis on this topic in organizations like Yaqeen Institute. 01:01:10 🧐 Many Muslims have internalized liberal values without realizing it, especially in academic institutions, impacting their approach to Islam. 01:02:03 📚 There's a need for Muslims in social sciences and humanities to critically examine structures through an Islamic worldview and communicate this effectively. 01:03:25 💬 Muslims should engage in discussions about liberalism and autonomy and explain why certain ideas may undermine Islam. 01:04:18 🌍 While Muslims can exist within liberal states, it's important to recognize that the freedom they enjoy is often not due to liberalism but to historical factors. 01:06:08 💡 Muslims have the opportunity to establish independent Muslim scholarship and institutions in the West but need to prioritize it and act with sincerity. Made with HARPA AI
It's always a pleasure to listen to Imam Tom ❤I knew him through the book analysis he did for "the impossible state" and Asad Talal's book, he's so articulate and knowledgable mashallah and I really look up to him. Thank you so much for your amazing ❤
These distinguished guests suggested: 1. George Saliba, Professor of Arab and Islamic Sciences, to talk about the transfer of science and knowledge between civilizations, the story of the beginning of the Arab-Islamic civilization, and the story of its collapse and its causes. 2. Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar, to talk about the story of the beginning of the scientific miracle in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and stories of scientists’ fascination with the scientific miracles in the Qur’an and Sunnah 3. Political journalist Salman Al-Ansari to talk about the problems of the international Muslim Brotherhood movements with regard to Arab rulers or Salafist clerics, and thorny political issues in which regional and global ambitions overlap in the Arab world
To be honest, As a female revert to Islam , I would like to be in a Muslim Country. Salam from Sweden. (ps I do understand its different from me , then a person that have to flee from Muslim countries to save their lives or those of loved once.
the irony is that i am trying to learn Swedish on duolingo(just to know a Scandinavian language.) as a Romanian. anyway, what convinced you to become muslim? i tell you now though, it is not the truth.
UAE has pockets or towns that are conservative in atmosphere it’s populated by a majority of co- religionists. From Sweden that seems to be provide the smoothest of transitions.
To be fair, in the US, there are pockets of high density of Muslims. For example Dallas TX has seen a huge influx of Muslims and is arguably paving the way for establishing strong Muslim schools in the US.
It´s great that american muslims are increasinly moving to red states. The next thing should be for them to stop voting for democrats, because liberals hate islam, muslims and conservative values. They only like you when you´re an ex-muslim or an Ilhan Omar.
What he said at 26:00 is the way I had been since childhood prior to Islam. School friends were school friends and my real friends were siblings, cousins and neighbors. I remember telling my school friends, "I don't have friends, I have acquaintances" with regard to school friends.
Thank you for this informative discussion! Just a couple comments: (1) Muslims moving to the US solely for dunya reasons has had ripple effects, since their deen was probably not on point to begin with, and (2) some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools and in the community. And let me add that (3) many of our community leaders, masjid presidents, board members etc. aren’t doing their job effectively, so we have neglected youth, languishing reverts, disgruntled women and sad kids while those in leadership positions are focused on self-serving projects and embroiled in petty disputes. There are amazing communities, but on the whole we really need to up our game. Because (4) not every Muslim family is in a position to choose their location.
@@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi that’s an idea. But it’s not an option for everyone. The US has a large and growing number of converts/reverts with varying economic resources, family commitments, personal circumstances, etc. Muslim countries are not 100% Islamic either as Imam Tom mentioned. They present other challenges and increasingly some of the same challenges as here in the US. And one thing we still have here that many Muslim countries lack is freedom of religion. We need to build robust communities and institutions here.
I agree with most of your comments but I am not sure why you felt it was necessary to say "some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools." Generally speaking I would say that a child's home environment and peers in general are major contributing factors to their spiritual foundation, however, even the Prophet Nuh's son left Islam.
@@saburabdul-salaam2418 I mentioned it because I’ve seen this. I agree the home environment is generally more important, but it depends on the kid and what they go through with peers. Sadly, my own girls experienced more bullying and toxic exclusionary behavior from Muslim kids than from non-Muslim and I’ve seen the same with other family members and children of friends. I also saw this as a teacher in Islamic schools - bullying, racism, cliquishness, and arrogant, judgmental attitudes in different communities in different states over the last 30 years. It breaks my heart. I could get very specific…. If people want to bury their heads in the sand, this stuff will continue to be a factor in people running away from the religion.
@@hoopoe9629 I am very sorry about the bullying that your. daughters have experienced in Islamic schools, I am a co-founder of the Al Ihsan School in Syracuse, New York, it is K-thru eighth grade and has been in existence for over 20 years. I have also taught in Islamic schools in Los Angeles, Philadelphia and New York City. I have also taught in public schools. Both Islamic schools and public schools have their problems and have good students and bad students. May Allah bless, guide and protect the Muslims.
Thank you very much and may Allah reward you for providing Imam Facchine with this social media platform to provide his very excellent critique on the relationship between "Liberalism" and the Deen of Islam. His personal courage and educational foundation in political science and Islamic law equips him to be the type of Muslim leader we need to face the spiritual, social and political challenges of the 21st Century, al Hamdullilah.
I really enjoyed this presentation quite a bit. Although I am not Muslim myself, I greatly enjoy listening to discussions and perspectives from strong Muslim thinkers. I completely agree with the need to take a principled and disciplined stance against the "liberal inquisition" as the host has termed it
Been following Imam Tom for a while on the Utica Masjid TH-cam channel. Alhamdulillah,v he's a leader and a man who understands the challenges Muslims face in the west.
Been saying this for a long time but this podcast does not miss 🎯. May Allah bless and accept from everyone involved, Ameen. Major shout out to YM at 25:00, one of the main reasons I’m a proud Muslim today Alhamdulilah.
I made Hijra in 2018 to Indonesia, I don’t regret it at all. Yes Indonesia is hyper secular and makes the red line very clear for Ulema, but I find that there is a higher probability of passing on values and ideas that are pleasing to Allah if I raise my children within a culture that’s traditions are inherently connected to Islam. Because my children would have grown up around my family who are non Muslims, I made the decision to sacrifice economically with hopes of increasing in Faith. I can say for a surety Allah has made a way for me from means I would never have thought and given me clarity in many of the misconceptions I had due to the many years of absorbing liberal secular ideas. Stepping outside the box, so to say is some time the best way to see what it truly is. However, I have to say my situation is very different than someone with a good Muslim family living in the Occident. Although, I would not totally throw out the corpus of Hijra (not saying Imam Tom is doing that) from experience I say Hijra is a valid option especially for young Muslim men seeking a spouse. Thank you Imam Tom, you always make things clear and concise. May Allah grant you success dunya wa ahkira.
much needed discussion especially with current extremism from liberalism going on. Thank you was a great listening to both. I believe this is very similar to story of youth running to Caves in surah Kahf because it reached to point where we are close to currently. Dangerous times for holding onto religion.
This is so needed thank you. I literally just had to stick up for myself in an ABAR training. It was very hard and my colleagues have spent the last two days attacking and isolating me.
@@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi Anti Racist Anti Biased, but it is not what it sounds like. Just like the imam said in this talk, they are not trying to get rid of bias or racism, but rather realign the intolerances. I am a teacher and I was told to take all pictures of and representations of white people out of my class and replace with only brown people and brown stories and brown history. When the trainer was asked if this would exclude the white children in our classes, she said "well some cups need to be filled first". I was told to stop using certain language in the classroom like "line leader" or "challenging work" because that is discrimination, and to begin "educating" any parents who pushed back because their beliefs are wrong.
@@bebrave1622 Yep they are using minorities and established discrimination laws for racial groups to push their agendas and bully parents and the wider society into conforming to their ideology. The more I interact with the left the more I find them to be the most racist group out there, because they change their tone for darker skinned people and assume that you don't understand basic math and science concepts and live without the internet. Why else would they explain basic math concepts you learn in middle school to darker skinned students of university/college doing engineering courses? I see the way they talk to my friends who look as white as the Europeans. Then my friends tell them they are Arabs and there is a tone shift and magically the conversation is "simplified". It is as if they met a new person. We started to pay attention to these liberal arts students who pretty much run all the events in the university. When they interact with one of our darker friends they start with the "simplified talk" immediately. I mean you can see a stark difference in the way they talk to you based on your accent and skin tone. Why would we be in these science events after hours if we didn't enjoy and understand science? You can see what this training is teaching them. They see themselves as the only saviours of the non-whites and must help the non-whites to evolve to the level of the whites. Must be a bias from their evolution theory. it makes people feel stupider and become stupider. They want to keep the minorities as their babies who need their help forever. Makes sense why blacks who grow up in these countries have problems and immigrant do better. There is a system who keep them down and these antiracism groups are the guards who keeping the system in place. They are not fighting against it, they actually made it worse in the last couple of years by completely appearing to be racist against whites but it was to keep the non-whites from escaping from their nets and ideology. Anyways, there are many agendas they are running at the same time. To turn people into nothing but boxes that can be grouped into special groups and they become their representatives. But when we have our group identity and want to self-represent they argue that we need to be individuals and group thing is primitive. Then when we are alone in their groups and want to uphold our individual rights, they argue that our individual values and beliefs are primitive and we are being divisive and making others uncomfortable. Conclusion: Only liberals can be the leaders (AKA Masters) and we must be the followers (AKA Slaves). They just put non-white liberal leaders and expect us to follow as if we don't have our own beliefs and values. And of course, liberalism is just an objective fact not a subjective belief system 😅
Great discussion Imam Tom. May Allah bless you. Brother Jalal, can we have a video on waqfs? What is a waqf? Why do awqaf exist? How do awqaf function? Which are the countries apart from US, which allow for the establishment of a waqf? Questions like that. Also Imam Tom, please release the pdfs that will allow Muslim children to know and defend their faith.
Thank you for this. JazakAllah a khair. I can tell you at least in my situation in Chicago USA, I can live more of my Islam then in Palestine and not because of the Israeli government, but because of the non-religious pressure of family members and community. So far there is more space here then there for my situation. Allah knows. I would have loved to be born there and stay in the blessed land but this is how it turned out so far.
If you are so fundamentally opposed to the basic tenets of secular liberal systems, why stay? Is it ethical to call upon the liberal belief in freedom of speech to promote your faith to the masses while simultaneously limiting other's freedom to express themselves?
He explains ways to create spaces suitable to his thoughts. By living amongst Muslims. Not a 100% to your liking but enough of a cocoon. And ethics don’t apply when it comes to freedom of speech. It’s not a net good it’s a tool to achieve your goals and dump it. Like the system use it to establish power then get rid of it. It’s naive to see it as a matter of ethics, they don’t share those values. Summarising this episode is the speakers vision of enlightenment is regression and repression to a set of rules. But he sees it as good and righteous and a lot of supportive comments. I imagine from Co-religionists that is the way. I suppose that partially answers why the shift of residence to a land that has different ideals.
If you look closely there are vast parts of this country that have large Amish communities that have a lot of authority and control. Many also have a tax free status and thier own schools and institutions. Muslims could take notes.
The preferred outcome would be for us to be wiped out by the right, and this isn't even a difficult choice to make for people who have taqwa and tawakkul. حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ جَابِرٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو عَبْدِ السَّلاَمِ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " يُوشِكُ الأُمَمُ أَنْ تَدَاعَى عَلَيْكُمْ كَمَا تَدَاعَى الأَكَلَةُ إِلَى قَصْعَتِهَا " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ وَمِنْ قِلَّةٍ نَحْنُ يَوْمَئِذٍ قَالَ " بَلْ أَنْتُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ كَثِيرٌ وَلَكِنَّكُمْ غُثَاءٌ كَغُثَاءِ السَّيْلِ وَلَيَنْزِعَنَّ اللَّهُ مِنْ صُدُورِ عَدُوِّكُمُ الْمَهَابَةَ مِنْكُمْ وَلَيَقْذِفَنَّ اللَّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمُ الْوَهَنَ " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْوَهَنُ قَالَ " حُبُّ الدُّنْيَا وَكَرَاهِيَةُ الْمَوْتِ " . Narrated Thawban: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and cast enervation (al-wahn) into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: *Love of the world and dislike of death* Sunan Abi Dawud 4297 Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) We are not supposed to value a comfortable dunya over an honorable death defending the truth. If the Right share more of our values but want us dead, then we either assist them in protecting our values and defend ourselves when they try to kill us or we at least stay neutral. We won't face any punishment for being killed. It's actually the exact opposite. Being killed while defending Islam is the highest honor.
The lack of self awareness is deafening. Listening to this dude, one would be forgiven to believe LGBT equality was expressly written in the U.S. Constitution by Thomas Jefferson et al.
He has already been absorbed by Yaqeen. Instead of fixing Yaqeen, he got fixed by Yaqeen and became the chief propagandist of the org just like Shaykh Tahir Wayait.
Jazakallah khayran for the Shaykh's amazing insights. One off hand remark that I think deserves a discussion on its own it the chest thumping under disguise as Dawah. A far as I can see all these so-called cyber celebrity dawah guys, at least in the Anglosphere, call to themselves, attack others, and nobody actually calls TO Allah. What does dawah even mean to them?
39:20 They do not believe in it either. Everyone is a cultural liberal. Ask them why they aren’t tolerant of bestiality or necrophilia. They will never accept that under the Trojan horse of tolerance and respecting everyone as they have had you believe with the case of two gay men.
The best advice, as always, is that of the Quran: Lakum deenukum wal yadeen: You have your religion and I have mine (109:6). And let Allah be the Judge, on Judgement Day.
As-salamu alaykum. The video discusses the challenges that Muslims face in the West, such as Islamophobia, demonization of Islam, and erosion of religious freedom. Imam Facchine and Dr. Warner argue that Muslims are facing a "liberal inquisition" in the West, and that they need to be more assertive in defending their religious beliefs and more proactive in engaging with the wider society. Allahu a'alam.
Can I recommend the novels "Hadji Murat" by Leo Tolstoy and "Death and the Dervish" by Mese Selimovic. With those tomes under one's belt, the Believers will be better equipped to deal with such issues.
Liberalism emerged as a way for people to live out their lives as they see fit - provided they are not imposing their beliefs on others It’s far from perfect but so far seems better than any other , ideally Each individual is equal to everyone else regardless of religion or gender So the witness of one man is not worth twice as much as a woman , or 4 times as much as a person of a minority faith Isn’t that a good thing Tom ?
In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful To be a Ghazi a True Ghazi for the religion of islam and it's founder Allah I believe that should be the ambition of every Muslim now Stay alive and keep fighting Secondly to be the Chief Executive and the Chief Commander is a privilege which I seek Allah to bring it and give it to me Allahu Akber , Allah is Greater !
Islamic Perspective on Freedom As a Muslim Islam gives us the right of 'Freedom of Thought & Speech ! The Islamic concept of freedom of expression is a expression to allow all Muslims .. The superior Islamic concept that should be more prevalent to access for the propagation of virtue and truth. Rather than spread or excite the evil and wicked virtues . For Instance : According to 'Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jama'ah' the Prophet Muhammad RAS (pbuh) said : "The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them, (Tābiʿun), and then those coming after (the second generation)" The difference between a Liberal and a Conservative ... The Conservatives believe structure is based on 'everyday politics' with undertones of a monotheistic inclination. In which the greater importance of stability, and promotion of the law and order to protect private property. Whereas the 'Liberals' believe and interaction questions the universal access to health care for their personal, health. And this 'health care system' should not be dependent upon one's financial resources, Therefore this includes the support of government intervention and funds. ...
For all of those who think it is ideal if Muslim women are not financially dependent on men: Would it be ideal if Muslim men were not sexually dependent on their women? For example, would it be ideal if men could purchase (at low cost) harems of docile life-like forever-young sex robots? How would you respond to Muslim men who justified this by saying such robots are necessary to give men true independence, such that they are not forced to stay in relationships with women who are rude, jealous, controlling, manipulative, fat, old, or ugly? How would you respond to Muslim men who said that Muslim women need to "step up their game" such that men choose to be with them instead of a robot that is more friendly, beautiful, young, and thin? The cop out answer is to say sex robots are haram, but there are other conceivable halal alternatives that would do the same thing: flood men with cheap alternatives. Obviously, such alternatives would weaken and ultimately destroy marriage because it takes away the dependence that men have on women for sex. But that is literally what giving women financial independence does; it makes them independent from men. And that's why no society or religion ever did give women that independence, except for our current dystopia.
I am Buddhist, I believe Muslims can be liberal and Muslims you are our friends. We are not like Hindus. We respect your faith and rules. For the engaged Buddhism iou are aloud to practice meditation as long as you respect us.
I see a significant issue here that we we can drive a truck through. No one is asking any Muslim to become gay or transgender all that is being asked to you cling to your faith and let those that are transgender enjoy what they like. Where is the issue in that?
Wonderful discussion. The issue of raising Muslim kids is a little more nuanced so I disagree a bit with the Imam on the reality of Muslim lived experiences. Some of what he says is true but there are also pockets of rather large and active communities in the US where parents don’t have such stark choices. For example in the DC region and outer suburban communities there’s a strong Muslim presence where parents have access to good jobs, good schools, but also where we have built strong centers of religion. These are some of the wealthiest communities in the nation and you’ll see plenty of Muslim kids in public schools who also have access to religious schools and education. We need to build critical mass in more communities. How else will we attract more people to our deen if we’re so insular?
asalaam alaikum, thank you again for these discussions, however, I must state clearly again that Allah is not a deity - a deity implies an idol of worship, hence to consider Allah a deity would be to approach idolatry. I can understand why a former Christian would make this statement, but it's not a correct understanding of Allah - it is clearly stated in the Qur'an that Allah is creation, hence why, again, in the Qur'an, it is stated that Allah does not and will not explain all of creation to us and how the cosmos came to be etc (I am building off what is stated in al-Kahf), because that would require us to be able to see into other dimensions of reality, which we humans are incapable of -- we can make models and assumptions, but we will never witness an alternate dimension beyond the 3rd/4th dimensional time-space. Allah is the cosmos/creation itself, not a Zeus-like figure given to us through Judeo-Christian beliefs. This understanding in no way invalidates morality or afterlife -- I am not allowed to kill anyone I please, for example, unless of course my life is threatened by them attacking me under conditions of oppression. I can submit to ensuring paradise in this life for those that follow after me (who will remember you in an act of embodied afterlife, hence the significance of martyrs), for a less provocative example, and indeed, when we ascend in this life or pass on, as some would say, we are not separate from the cosmos, since we are made from the cosmos. We do not say that someone buried is separate from the Earth, for example, that would make no sense, and even if someone were to be cremated, their ashes are not separate from the cosmos or the Earth either. One lives on by returning to the cosmos, if you like, in a way that is beyond the material human body -- we contribute to the soil, for example, or air and so forth. As Allah made us, we may die as an individual, but are still part of Allah's creation after that individual death.
The question is: who has been able to create a more “livable” world? Islamic world or Secular society? Today, millions of Muslims are rushing to live in the “Secular West”. During the evacuation of Afghanistan- I was shocked to see Muslim refugees queuing up to come to America, Canada, UK, Australia etc- while they (Muslims) shun Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan. Hence the question is why would Muslims prefer to live in the lands of the unbelievers?
The Islamic world, hands down. Christianity and Judaism thrived under Islamic rule. They have been thoroughly hollowed out under secular rule. That Muslims prefer to live outside the Muslim world is only testament to what European colonialism and imperialism has done to it. Nothing to be proud of there.
Contexts seems alien to you. Those choosing to leave Afghanistan lived in an American made vacuum which was totally dependent on the Americans, economically and in terms of security. Set aside for a second their thoughts on the new age coming to Afghanistan. They were totally depend on America for their existence in Kabul. Why would you expect any other reaction? Afghanistan is a vast and varied country. Most elements DIDN'T flee and couldn't breath under the American occupation. These aren't the pictures the BBC and other western media will expose you to. They will flood you with the Kabul fleeing pictures only. Open you mind.
I think islam and liberalism cannot coexist, both are different systems. There may be Islam in liberalism like many others, but there cannot be liberalism in Islam, right?
Alhamdulillah, what an excellent episode! Imam Tom hit the nail on the head with his examination of the fundamental flaws of liberalism, uncovering truths that liberals in the comments find uncomfortable. We've all witnessed it. The moment a liberal encounters someone who dares to challenge their worldview, the "tolerance" dissipates. Couldn't agree more with his point about the lack of inclusivity within liberalism. While it claims to champion diversity and fairness, it often shuts down any differing opinions that don't align with its preconceived notions.
yeah, sure. what's up with the condecending tone? the liberal values allowed for you to speak in this manner on this platform. you just don't like the results of some liberties.(abortion being normalised despite it being closer to a tragedy. but again looking at the circumstances in the society, having more mouths to feed is not always that easy) but we are at least in the process of achieving that(a perfect system to benefit all humans) after 2-3 centuries of existing. islam after 1400 years still looks like 7th century Arabia.
anyway, i posted a comment before you. go to the "newest comments" and look after it. and please reply to my points if you have time. i would appreciate it
today's liberals have mutated liberalism. but don't you find it ironic that muslims claim divine revelation and apparently get that wrong all the time [supposedly]. it is interesting your husband calls this an inquisition. have the liberals actually killed any muslims yet? but muslims have killed lots of liberals. speaking of homos, what did you think of the pulse night club attack in orlando?
They are a walking irony.
the most exclusive intolerant angry bunch of people I've ever seen.
Tom left out the crucial genocidal Jihad doctrine that the Satanic Muhammad spouted. Tom is waiting for the opportune moment to launch the ultimate Jihad to capture dictatorial power over the whole world.
I remind you that Western governments are tolerating people like Daniel Haqiqatjou who endorses child marriage and killing of apostates and homosexuals.
It's always to a joy to listen to this guy
Imam Tom reminds me of Malcolm X. May Allah preserve you. Ameen.
Me too, subhanallah. Baraka Allahu feekom.
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What about him is like malcolm x ?
@@silminawaz3825 nothing. are you a supporter of the nation of islam?
Did Malcolm X support elGeeBeeTee like imam tom?
SoubhanAllah Imam Tom
You leave us, as always, in awe. Direct, incisive, articulate, succinct, courteous yet courageous with more pithy quotes than one could possibly hope for. Aha. May Allah swt bless you for your kalam jamil, your beautiful speech, and continue to bless us with it. May He be pleased with your efforts and allow them to continue to be a sabab of guidance for many in the world, and especially in this, our wounded and scattered, yet brave and persevering ummah… InshaAllah
Thank you Thinking Muslim and Imam Tom. I've just finished a politics degree and moving on to an Islamic Studies one.
Liberalism is a path to overcome suffer, nothing more or less. To get happy in this life. To me it would be wonderful for Muslims beeng liberated. You would be very helpful for the world I guess. Not like the Americans or the Europeans... I bet you would care for your parents and children ❤❤❤ this how I see more than 90 percent of the Muslim and Christians also. The liberating shouldn't be exclusive to rich people to make more money. It should be given to normal and altruistic people for a better planet ❤❤❤
amazing questions and even better answers. Really benefited from this. Imam Tom's critique and analysis is so clear cut and so well elaborated. I love it. JZk. We really need this type of content.
Those are the real Muslim of Islamic knowledge that we should listen to.
This is the first time for me to this channel & hearing imam Tom makes me sad abt our umma & I wonder why many even thousands of muslims are willing there life & sacrifice death to go to Europe or west as a migrant ... its sore issue in muslim world I knw.
I heard that migrating to another land in order to maintain your religion is kind of a worship.. but unfortunately its the other way round to us muslims as a whole.
We need new breed of political leaders in muslim world that fear Allah Almighty. We all need to recognise that the sad thing is we are the ones to blame. Who blindly follows political leaders or partys.. its a form of tribalism that our prophet forbade, but no one seems to care abt The MBS's & el sisi's of our umma. Shame on to us 😪
Love from Maldives to all brothers and sisters of me 💚🙏
May Allah help us all and stabilise the Muslim world once again.
It's impossible if we keep tolerating secular governments in Muslim countries.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:31 🏫 Liberal values and the Muslim community clash on issues like prayer in schools, holidays recognition, and sexuality education.
03:13 🤝 Liberals want to secularize Islam, creating a version of the religion that aligns with their values, which is why they push for "Progressive Islam."
11:22 🗽 Neutrality doesn't exist; liberal ideology relies on secularization to fit other value systems into a framework that it can govern.
15:21 👁️ Liberalism's view of humanity as material beings shapes its definition of rights and values, which can clash with Islamic values.
17:23 🔒 Liberal tolerance isn't absolute; it has limits, and secularization is often the prerequisite for tolerating a belief system or religion.
21:30 🏛️ Compromising with the liberal state varies in degrees, and some compromises may erode the essence of Islam.
22:26 🕌 There are different forms of compromise, including accepting citizenship, but some compromises may lead to the secularization of Islam.
23:43 🇺🇸 Living in the West, like the United States, can provide space to establish Islam without extreme compromise, depending on individual choices.
26:03 🏡 Intentionally choosing to live in Muslim communities and building Islamic institutions can help preserve the faith in Western contexts.
27:29 🇬🇧 Muslims in the UK have generally maintained their faith through generations, despite living in liberal states.
30:06 🗳️ In the U.S., liberalism is split between progressive Democrats and conservatives, revealing a tension within liberalism's relationship with the state.
32:28 📜 The U.S. Constitution is rooted in liberal principles but has limitations and historical contradictions regarding human rights.
34:46 🏛️ Liberalism's manifestations can vary among U.S. states due to the federal system, leading to different emphases on government involvement.
37:14 🤝 Navigating political life in liberal states requires Muslims to negotiate their rights within the framework of liberalism while maintaining their beliefs.
39:54 🌈 While Muslims may encounter challenges in liberal environments, there is room for courage and moral conviction to stand for their beliefs without compromising fundamental principles.
41:20 🤝 It's important for Muslims to be ready to make sacrifices in order to live according to their beliefs.
43:12 💬 Communication and principled stand are crucial when dealing with societal issues.
45:04 🌍 Islam can challenge the liberal project of secularization due to its emphasis on submission and righteousness.
47:17 💭 Nostalgia for a time when religious morals had a significant influence on society is problematic and unrealistic.
51:55 🔄 The idea of rewinding to a previous societal state is not practical; instead, Muslims should focus on addressing current issues.
58:57 📜 We need to think about how to move forward in addressing societal challenges, rather than attempting to reverse the secularization process.
01:00:18 🔍 Discussing and debating the ideas of liberalism within the Muslim community is essential, and there's room for more emphasis on this topic in organizations like Yaqeen Institute.
01:01:10 🧐 Many Muslims have internalized liberal values without realizing it, especially in academic institutions, impacting their approach to Islam.
01:02:03 📚 There's a need for Muslims in social sciences and humanities to critically examine structures through an Islamic worldview and communicate this effectively.
01:03:25 💬 Muslims should engage in discussions about liberalism and autonomy and explain why certain ideas may undermine Islam.
01:04:18 🌍 While Muslims can exist within liberal states, it's important to recognize that the freedom they enjoy is often not due to liberalism but to historical factors.
01:06:08 💡 Muslims have the opportunity to establish independent Muslim scholarship and institutions in the West but need to prioritize it and act with sincerity.
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Br Tom you hit the nail right on the head !
This was a masterclass. AllahumaBarik .
It's always a pleasure to listen to Imam Tom ❤I knew him through the book analysis he did for "the impossible state" and Asad Talal's book, he's so articulate and knowledgable mashallah and I really look up to him. Thank you so much for your amazing ❤
Alhamd'lillah...we thank you a lot to have introduced us to imam Tom.may Allah be pleased with you both
Dear "The Thinking Muslim" team, thank you very much for facilitating such comprehensive discussions on challenging topics.
These distinguished guests suggested:
1. George Saliba, Professor of Arab and Islamic Sciences, to talk about the transfer of science and knowledge between civilizations, the story of the beginning of the Arab-Islamic civilization, and the story of its collapse and its causes.
2. Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar, to talk about the story of the beginning of the scientific miracle in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and stories of scientists’ fascination with the scientific miracles in the Qur’an and Sunnah
3. Political journalist Salman Al-Ansari to talk about the problems of the international Muslim Brotherhood movements with regard to Arab rulers or Salafist clerics, and thorny political issues in which regional and global ambitions overlap in the Arab world
To be honest, As a female revert to Islam , I would like to be in a Muslim Country. Salam from Sweden. (ps I do understand its different from me , then a person that have to flee from Muslim countries to save their lives or those of loved once.
the irony is that i am trying to learn Swedish on duolingo(just to know a Scandinavian language.) as a Romanian.
anyway, what convinced you to become muslim?
i tell you now though, it is not the truth.
what is wrong with sweden?
@@phs8014 Lgbtq
This forum is not for you. Go to where you agree with the content and stop trolling. You may need to learn Russian and Orthodoxy soon.
UAE has pockets or towns that are conservative in atmosphere it’s populated by a majority of co- religionists. From Sweden that seems to be provide the smoothest of transitions.
To be fair, in the US, there are pockets of high density of Muslims.
For example Dallas TX has seen a huge influx of Muslims and is arguably paving the way for establishing strong Muslim schools in the US.
It´s great that american muslims are increasinly moving to red states. The next thing should be for them to stop voting for democrats, because liberals hate islam, muslims and conservative values. They only like you when you´re an ex-muslim or an Ilhan Omar.
Keep justifying dunya over Akhira. Life is short
What he said at 26:00 is the way I had been since childhood prior to Islam. School friends were school friends and my real friends were siblings, cousins and neighbors.
I remember telling my school friends, "I don't have friends, I have acquaintances" with regard to school friends.
Thank you for this informative discussion! Just a couple comments: (1) Muslims moving to the US solely for dunya reasons has had ripple effects, since their deen was probably not on point to begin with, and (2) some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools and in the community. And let me add that (3) many of our community leaders, masjid presidents, board members etc. aren’t doing their job effectively, so we have neglected youth, languishing reverts, disgruntled women and sad kids while those in leadership positions are focused on self-serving projects and embroiled in petty disputes. There are amazing communities, but on the whole we really need to up our game. Because (4) not every Muslim family is in a position to choose their location.
shouldn't all muslims try to migrate to 'islamic lands'?
@@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi that’s an idea. But it’s not an option for everyone. The US has a large and growing number of converts/reverts with varying economic resources, family commitments, personal circumstances, etc. Muslim countries are not 100% Islamic either as Imam Tom mentioned. They present other challenges and increasingly some of the same challenges as here in the US. And one thing we still have here that many Muslim countries lack is freedom of religion. We need to build robust communities and institutions here.
I agree with most of your comments but I am not sure why you felt it was necessary to say "some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools." Generally speaking I would say that a child's home environment and peers in general are major contributing factors to their spiritual foundation, however, even the Prophet Nuh's son left Islam.
@@saburabdul-salaam2418 I mentioned it because I’ve seen this. I agree the home environment is generally more important, but it depends on the kid and what they go through with peers. Sadly, my own girls experienced more bullying and toxic exclusionary behavior from Muslim kids than from non-Muslim and I’ve seen the same with other family members and children of friends. I also saw this as a teacher in Islamic schools - bullying, racism, cliquishness, and arrogant, judgmental attitudes in different communities in different states over the last 30 years. It breaks my heart. I could get very specific…. If people want to bury their heads in the sand, this stuff will continue to be a factor in people running away from the religion.
@@hoopoe9629 I am very sorry about the bullying that your. daughters have experienced in Islamic schools, I am a co-founder of the Al Ihsan School in Syracuse, New York, it is K-thru eighth grade and has been in existence for over 20 years. I have also taught in Islamic schools in Los Angeles, Philadelphia and New York City. I have also taught in public schools. Both Islamic schools and public schools have their problems and have good students and bad students. May Allah bless, guide and protect the Muslims.
Thank you very much and may Allah reward you for providing Imam Facchine with this social media platform to provide his very excellent critique on the relationship between "Liberalism" and the Deen of Islam. His personal courage and educational foundation in political science and Islamic law equips him to be the type of Muslim leader we need to face the spiritual, social and political challenges of the 21st Century, al Hamdullilah.
Mashaa Allah this imam is a gem for the ummah may Allah protect him from all evils n grant us more of his kind ameen
Thanks for both. It is really interesting discussion. We do have opportunities and challenges. We have to stand for these challenges. Agree.
Jzk dear Ustadh
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Wa Eyyakum
Allahumma barik ,this conversation was Amazing Mahallah may Allah preserve them both
Thanks, Ustadh Tom!
I really enjoyed this presentation quite a bit. Although I am not Muslim myself, I greatly enjoy listening to discussions and perspectives from strong Muslim thinkers. I completely agree with the need to take a principled and disciplined stance against the "liberal inquisition" as the host has termed it
Beautiful discussion so beneficial. May Allah bless both of you brothers.
Jazak Allah khairan what a rich and most needed discussion. May Allah reward you both inshallah
الحمدالله
Thank you for the clarity. Critical questions and insightful answers.
Great Lecture on political science from an Islamic perspective Very Humble and balanced as always
God bless
Been following Imam Tom for a while on the Utica Masjid TH-cam channel. Alhamdulillah,v he's a leader and a man who understands the challenges Muslims face in the west.
Been saying this for a long time but this podcast does not miss 🎯.
May Allah bless and accept from everyone involved, Ameen.
Major shout out to YM at 25:00, one of the main reasons I’m a proud Muslim today Alhamdulilah.
should homosexuals be put to death if they act on their desires?
Thank you for this discussion. Much needed.
Great questions by our brother and host. Jzk to both ❤️
We don’t deserve Imam Tom. May Allah bless and reward you both for this podcast!’
I made Hijra in 2018 to Indonesia, I don’t regret it at all. Yes Indonesia is hyper secular and makes the red line very clear for Ulema, but I find that there is a higher probability of passing on values and ideas that are pleasing to Allah if I raise my children within a culture that’s traditions are inherently connected to Islam.
Because my children would have grown up around my family who are non Muslims, I made the decision to sacrifice economically with hopes of increasing in Faith. I can say for a surety Allah has made a way for me from means I would never have thought and given me clarity in many of the misconceptions I had due to the many years of absorbing liberal secular ideas. Stepping outside the box, so to say is some time the best way to see what it truly is.
However, I have to say my situation is very different than someone with a good Muslim family living in the Occident. Although, I would not totally throw out the corpus of Hijra (not saying Imam Tom is doing that) from experience I say Hijra is a valid option especially for young Muslim men seeking a spouse.
Thank you Imam Tom, you always make things clear and concise. May Allah grant you success dunya wa ahkira.
Assalamu alaikum! Which country did you leave from? And how old are your children
Alhamdulilah, Allah made a way out for you.
@@asiffarouk7838 lol 😆
Where part of Indonesia? Alhamdulillah, can continue studying Islamic in many of alim ulama there. Afwan
@@asiffarouk7838 Walaikumsalam warahmatullah… I left from the west my kids are 4 and 2 may Allah preserve them.
Thinking Muslim should be congratulated for bring in good, useful, relevant discussions.
Imaam Tom Masha Allah. Allah's gift to the community
much needed discussion especially with current extremism from liberalism going on. Thank you was a great listening to both. I believe this is very similar to story of youth running to Caves in surah Kahf because it reached to point where we are close to currently. Dangerous times for holding onto religion.
Excellent interview. Very informative.
This was such a great discussion thank you very much for this
Imam Tom is rising super star !
This is so needed thank you. I literally just had to stick up for myself in an ABAR training. It was very hard and my colleagues have spent the last two days attacking and isolating me.
Stay strong! Allah is with you. So is the ummah!
what does abar stand for?
@@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi Anti Racist Anti Biased, but it is not what it sounds like. Just like the imam said in this talk, they are not trying to get rid of bias or racism, but rather realign the intolerances. I am a teacher and I was told to take all pictures of and representations of white people out of my class and replace with only brown people and brown stories and brown history. When the trainer was asked if this would exclude the white children in our classes, she said "well some cups need to be filled first". I was told to stop using certain language in the classroom like "line leader" or "challenging work" because that is discrimination, and to begin "educating" any parents who pushed back because their beliefs are wrong.
@@bebrave1622 Yep they are using minorities and established discrimination laws for racial groups to push their agendas and bully parents and the wider society into conforming to their ideology.
The more I interact with the left the more I find them to be the most racist group out there, because they change their tone for darker skinned people and assume that you don't understand basic math and science concepts and live without the internet.
Why else would they explain basic math concepts you learn in middle school to darker skinned students of university/college doing engineering courses? I see the way they talk to my friends who look as white as the Europeans. Then my friends tell them they are Arabs and there is a tone shift and magically the conversation is "simplified". It is as if they met a new person. We started to pay attention to these liberal arts students who pretty much run all the events in the university. When they interact with one of our darker friends they start with the "simplified talk" immediately. I mean you can see a stark difference in the way they talk to you based on your accent and skin tone. Why would we be in these science events after hours if we didn't enjoy and understand science? You can see what this training is teaching them.
They see themselves as the only saviours of the non-whites and must help the non-whites to evolve to the level of the whites. Must be a bias from their evolution theory. it makes people feel stupider and become stupider. They want to keep the minorities as their babies who need their help forever. Makes sense why blacks who grow up in these countries have problems and immigrant do better. There is a system who keep them down and these antiracism groups are the guards who keeping the system in place. They are not fighting against it, they actually made it worse in the last couple of years by completely appearing to be racist against whites but it was to keep the non-whites from escaping from their nets and ideology.
Anyways, there are many agendas they are running at the same time. To turn people into nothing but boxes that can be grouped into special groups and they become their representatives. But when we have our group identity and want to self-represent they argue that we need to be individuals and group thing is primitive. Then when we are alone in their groups and want to uphold our individual rights, they argue that our individual values and beliefs are primitive and we are being divisive and making others uncomfortable.
Conclusion: Only liberals can be the leaders (AKA Masters) and we must be the followers (AKA Slaves). They just put non-white liberal leaders and expect us to follow as if we don't have our own beliefs and values. And of course, liberalism is just an objective fact not a subjective belief system 😅
Great discussion Imam Tom. May Allah bless you.
Brother Jalal, can we have a video on waqfs? What is a waqf? Why do awqaf exist? How do awqaf function? Which are the countries apart from US, which allow for the establishment of a waqf? Questions like that.
Also Imam Tom, please release the pdfs that will allow Muslim children to know and defend their faith.
MashaAllah brothers what a beautiful and thought provoking conservation.Immensely beneficial.JazakaAllah for this.May Allah SWT reward both of you
Great Podcast! اللهم بارك لكم ولهذا المشروع
Wow. What a talk. Mashallah muslims waking up big time alhamdulillah
Fantastic discussion. Jazakallahu Khair
Really enjoyed this episode, jazakallah!
Great discussion I learned new matters and how to deal with them.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for this. JazakAllah a khair. I can tell you at least in my situation in Chicago USA, I can live more of my Islam then in Palestine and not because of the Israeli government, but because of the non-religious pressure of family members and community. So far there is more space here then there for my situation. Allah knows. I would have loved to be born there and stay in the blessed land but this is how it turned out so far.
Non religious pressure of family members and community. What does that imply? Otherwise happy for you living up to your ideals in Chicago.
Comparing chicago to an active warzone?
This was insightful - Brilliant talk - mashaAllah wa baarakAllahu feekum.
From Cape Town, South Africa
Thank you, jazakAllah Khayre I love Imam Tom
If you are so fundamentally opposed to the basic tenets of secular liberal systems, why stay? Is it ethical to call upon the liberal belief in freedom of speech to promote your faith to the masses while simultaneously limiting other's freedom to express themselves?
He explains ways to create spaces suitable to his thoughts. By living amongst Muslims. Not a 100% to your liking but enough of a cocoon. And ethics don’t apply when it comes to freedom of speech. It’s not a net good it’s a tool to achieve your goals and dump it. Like the system use it to establish power then get rid of it. It’s naive to see it as a matter of ethics, they don’t share those values. Summarising this episode is the speakers vision of enlightenment is regression and repression to a set of rules. But he sees it as good and righteous and a lot of supportive comments. I imagine from Co-religionists that is the way. I suppose that partially answers why the shift of residence to a land that has different ideals.
Mashallah Tabarakullah
That was excellent..
Fantastic episode as usual
Excellent program
Excellent discussion on how the Liberal ideology must be taken head on but with humble clear debate. JazakAllahokhairun
Excellent discussion on the really issues of the Ummah facing very usefull ideas and methods to navigate/solve our problens jzk.
aH, what a wonderful discussion.
What a great discussion thank you
Fruitful Conversation 💚
Great presentation ❤❤❤
Brilliant talk mashallah. Thankyou
If you look closely there are vast parts of this country that have large Amish communities that have a lot of authority and control. Many also have a tax free status and thier own schools and institutions. Muslims could take notes.
As a christian, this is a wonderful episode!
May Allah bless and preserve the shaikh
Genius mashaallah ❤
Al Hamdu Lilah people are adapting to the new situation.
The preferred outcome would be for us to be wiped out by the right, and this isn't even a difficult choice to make for people who have taqwa and tawakkul.
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ جَابِرٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو عَبْدِ السَّلاَمِ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " يُوشِكُ الأُمَمُ أَنْ تَدَاعَى عَلَيْكُمْ كَمَا تَدَاعَى الأَكَلَةُ إِلَى قَصْعَتِهَا " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ وَمِنْ قِلَّةٍ نَحْنُ يَوْمَئِذٍ قَالَ " بَلْ أَنْتُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ كَثِيرٌ وَلَكِنَّكُمْ غُثَاءٌ كَغُثَاءِ السَّيْلِ وَلَيَنْزِعَنَّ اللَّهُ مِنْ صُدُورِ عَدُوِّكُمُ الْمَهَابَةَ مِنْكُمْ وَلَيَقْذِفَنَّ اللَّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمُ الْوَهَنَ " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْوَهَنُ قَالَ " حُبُّ الدُّنْيَا وَكَرَاهِيَةُ الْمَوْتِ " .
Narrated Thawban:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and cast enervation (al-wahn) into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: *Love of the world and dislike of death*
Sunan Abi Dawud 4297
Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
We are not supposed to value a comfortable dunya over an honorable death defending the truth. If the Right share more of our values but want us dead, then we either assist them in protecting our values and defend ourselves when they try to kill us or we at least stay neutral. We won't face any punishment for being killed. It's actually the exact opposite. Being killed while defending Islam is the highest honor.
Masha Allah
The lack of self awareness is deafening. Listening to this dude, one would be forgiven to believe LGBT equality was expressly written in the U.S. Constitution by Thomas Jefferson et al.
Got my mentor🎉
What Imam Tom said @ minute 24 is so true!
24:00
This guy is a G!!!! I hope he can fix the yaqeen institute and all it’s modernist loving teachers!
He has already been absorbed by Yaqeen. Instead of fixing Yaqeen, he got fixed by Yaqeen and became the chief propagandist of the org just like Shaykh Tahir Wayait.
Ameen
The question is whether to sacrifice your religion or sacrifice your rights. They aren't offering any other options.
Make a hijra
Eh. Rights are overrated. There is a ton we can sacrifice without compromising our deen.
Great lecture and insight. We want the hereafter but we don't want to die
Jazakallah khayran for the Shaykh's amazing insights.
One off hand remark that I think deserves a discussion on its own it the chest thumping under disguise as Dawah. A far as I can see all these so-called cyber celebrity dawah guys, at least in the Anglosphere, call to themselves, attack others, and nobody actually calls TO Allah. What does dawah even mean to them?
11:34 Liberalism/ Secularism isn't about separation of Church and state.
39:20 They do not believe in it either. Everyone is a cultural liberal. Ask them why they aren’t tolerant of bestiality or necrophilia. They will never accept that under the Trojan horse of tolerance and respecting everyone as they have had you believe with the case of two gay men.
The best advice, as always, is that of the Quran: Lakum deenukum wal yadeen: You have your religion and I have mine (109:6). And let Allah be the Judge, on Judgement Day.
May all humans - no matter what their sexuality is - be blessed with the same rights.
As-salamu alaykum.
The video discusses the challenges that Muslims face in the West, such as Islamophobia, demonization of Islam, and erosion of religious freedom. Imam Facchine and Dr. Warner argue that Muslims are facing a "liberal inquisition" in the West, and that they need to be more assertive in defending their religious beliefs and more proactive in engaging with the wider society.
Allahu a'alam.
Can I recommend the novels "Hadji Murat" by Leo Tolstoy and "Death and the Dervish" by Mese Selimovic. With those tomes under one's belt, the Believers will be better equipped to deal with such issues.
Liberalism emerged as a way for people to live out their lives as they see fit - provided they are not imposing their beliefs on others
It’s far from perfect but so far seems better than any other , ideally
Each individual is equal to everyone else regardless of religion or gender
So the witness of one man is not worth twice as much as a woman , or 4 times as much as a person of a minority faith
Isn’t that a good thing Tom ?
In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful
To be a Ghazi a True Ghazi for the religion of islam and it's founder Allah
I believe that should be the ambition of every Muslim now
Stay alive and keep fighting
Secondly to be the Chief Executive and the Chief Commander is a privilege which I seek Allah to bring it and give it to me
Allahu Akber , Allah is Greater !
18:33 Tolerance of Liberalism is a MYTH.
Been following your podcast, never hit me that you could also have youtube 😂
We should make that more clear!
Islamic Perspective on Freedom
As a Muslim Islam gives us the right of 'Freedom of Thought & Speech !
The Islamic concept of freedom of expression is a expression to allow all Muslims ..
The superior Islamic concept that should be more prevalent to access for the propagation of virtue and truth.
Rather than spread or excite the evil and wicked virtues .
For Instance : According to 'Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jama'ah' the Prophet Muhammad RAS (pbuh) said :
"The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them,
(Tābiʿun), and then those coming after (the second generation)"
The difference between a Liberal and a Conservative ...
The Conservatives believe structure is based on 'everyday politics' with undertones of a monotheistic inclination.
In which the greater importance of stability, and promotion of the law and order to protect private property.
Whereas the 'Liberals' believe and interaction questions the universal access to health care for their personal,
health. And this 'health care system' should not be dependent upon one's financial resources,
Therefore this includes the support of government intervention and funds.
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For all of those who think it is ideal if Muslim women are not financially dependent on men:
Would it be ideal if Muslim men were not sexually dependent on their women? For example, would it be ideal if men could purchase (at low cost) harems of docile life-like forever-young sex robots?
How would you respond to Muslim men who justified this by saying such robots are necessary to give men true independence, such that they are not forced to stay in relationships with women who are rude, jealous, controlling, manipulative, fat, old, or ugly?
How would you respond to Muslim men who said that Muslim women need to "step up their game" such that men choose to be with them instead of a robot that is more friendly, beautiful, young, and thin?
The cop out answer is to say sex robots are haram, but there are other conceivable halal alternatives that would do the same thing: flood men with cheap alternatives. Obviously, such alternatives would weaken and ultimately destroy marriage because it takes away the dependence that men have on women for sex.
But that is literally what giving women financial independence does; it makes them independent from men. And that's why no society or religion ever did give women that independence, except for our current dystopia.
When the soul will see Jannaht, than it will say, that is what i always desired.
I am Buddhist, I believe Muslims can be liberal and Muslims you are our friends. We are not like Hindus. We respect your faith and rules. For the engaged Buddhism iou are aloud to practice meditation as long as you respect us.
Environmental Science University might be our priority for facing the age's of climate change@toxicity
Get imam tom for another episode
I thought this was an interview with Matt Walsh! Lmao!
45:41 Daniel Haqiqatjou??
I see a significant issue here that we we can drive a truck through.
No one is asking any Muslim to become gay or transgender all that is being asked to you cling to your faith and let those that are transgender enjoy what they like.
Where is the issue in that?
Wonderful discussion. The issue of raising Muslim kids is a little more nuanced so I disagree a bit with the Imam on the reality of Muslim lived experiences. Some of what he says is true but there are also pockets of rather large and active communities in the US where parents don’t have such stark choices. For example in the DC region and outer suburban communities there’s a strong Muslim presence where parents have access to good jobs, good schools, but also where we have built strong centers of religion. These are some of the wealthiest communities in the nation and you’ll see plenty of Muslim kids in public schools who also have access to religious schools and education. We need to build critical mass in more communities. How else will we attract more people to our deen if we’re so insular?
The problem is that you shouldn't rise your children at all religiously. They are children. They don't understand the concept of religion.
asalaam alaikum, thank you again for these discussions, however, I must state clearly again that Allah is not a deity - a deity implies an idol of worship, hence to consider Allah a deity would be to approach idolatry. I can understand why a former Christian would make this statement, but it's not a correct understanding of Allah - it is clearly stated in the Qur'an that Allah is creation, hence why, again, in the Qur'an, it is stated that Allah does not and will not explain all of creation to us and how the cosmos came to be etc (I am building off what is stated in al-Kahf), because that would require us to be able to see into other dimensions of reality, which we humans are incapable of -- we can make models and assumptions, but we will never witness an alternate dimension beyond the 3rd/4th dimensional time-space. Allah is the cosmos/creation itself, not a Zeus-like figure given to us through Judeo-Christian beliefs. This understanding in no way invalidates morality or afterlife -- I am not allowed to kill anyone I please, for example, unless of course my life is threatened by them attacking me under conditions of oppression. I can submit to ensuring paradise in this life for those that follow after me (who will remember you in an act of embodied afterlife, hence the significance of martyrs), for a less provocative example, and indeed, when we ascend in this life or pass on, as some would say, we are not separate from the cosmos, since we are made from the cosmos. We do not say that someone buried is separate from the Earth, for example, that would make no sense, and even if someone were to be cremated, their ashes are not separate from the cosmos or the Earth either. One lives on by returning to the cosmos, if you like, in a way that is beyond the material human body -- we contribute to the soil, for example, or air and so forth. As Allah made us, we may die as an individual, but are still part of Allah's creation after that individual death.
is "change" absolute? if it is, then how can any religion hold on to a fixed concept of who they are?
The question is: who has been able to create a more “livable” world? Islamic world or Secular society?
Today, millions of Muslims are rushing to live in the “Secular West”. During the evacuation of Afghanistan- I was shocked to see Muslim refugees queuing up to come to America, Canada, UK, Australia etc- while they (Muslims) shun Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
Hence the question is why would Muslims prefer to live in the lands of the unbelievers?
The Islamic world, hands down. Christianity and Judaism thrived under Islamic rule. They have been thoroughly hollowed out under secular rule.
That Muslims prefer to live outside the Muslim world is only testament to what European colonialism and imperialism has done to it. Nothing to be proud of there.
Don't forget that the most violent and lethal century in human history was also it's most secular century.
@@TomFacchine … the Islamic Jihad centuries was worse.
Most muslim refugees go to muslim countries and not the west. The majority of Syrian refugees are in turkeye 🇹🇷
Contexts seems alien to you. Those choosing to leave Afghanistan lived in an American made vacuum which was totally dependent on the Americans, economically and in terms of security.
Set aside for a second their thoughts on the new age coming to Afghanistan. They were totally depend on America for their existence in Kabul. Why would you expect any other reaction?
Afghanistan is a vast and varied country. Most elements DIDN'T flee and couldn't breath under the American occupation. These aren't the pictures the BBC and other western media will expose you to. They will flood you with the Kabul fleeing pictures only.
Open you mind.
13:02 There's no such thing as neutrality
Certain system - military state - democracy - then tyranny.
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Interesting!!!
May Allah save us, Aamiin.
I think islam and liberalism cannot coexist, both are different systems. There may be Islam in liberalism like many others, but there cannot be liberalism in Islam, right?