Can Muslims Survive the Liberal Inquisition? with Imam Tom Facchine
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- Many Muslims living in the West have become aware that the ideas of tolerance, individualism, liberal multiculturalism and freedom of religion - all liberal notions - have their limits when it comes to our community. A series of tensions, from depictions of the Messenger (saw) in offensive cartoons and the teaching of sexual practices at odds with our faith in schools, has brought into focus how there remains an incompatibility between the ever-increasing demands of the liberal state and the Muslim community.
To help us understand these tensions, Imam Tom Facchine, an imam and convert to Islam helps us understand the liberal state. He finished his BA in Political Science and was granted the opportunity to study at the Islamic University of Madinah from 2015-2020, where he obtained his BA from the Faculty of Shariah. Imam Tom is the Research Director of Islam and Society at the Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research. He is also a resident scholar and imam of Utica Masjid (New York state).
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The Thinking Muslim Podcast Episode 99
00:00 Opening clip
00:32 Introduction
02:04 Tensions felt in Muslim communities in the US
05:33 Why are Muslims a unique target?
08:19 Why is Islam hard to secularise?
12:15 There is nothing neutral about Liberalism
15:50 The sanctity of worldly desires
17:28 The liberal pretence of tolerance
21:11 What should be the extent of compromise?
26:41 Why is the American liberal experiment more successful?
29:50 Democrats, Republicans and Liberalism
35:44 Is the US constitution a liberal one?
39:39 Confronting liberal norms in every day life
45:15 Role of Muslim leadership
46:26 Why are other communities more susceptible to secularisation
53:05 How can Muslims contribute to the counter-discourse?
55:45 Responding to modernist Muslims
59:42 Work with Yaqeen Institute
1:00:00 A lack of taking Liberalism head on
1:04:12 Can we be Muslims under a liberal state?
1:05:25 We have tools to our advantage
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Alhamdulillah, what an excellent episode! Imam Tom hit the nail on the head with his examination of the fundamental flaws of liberalism, uncovering truths that liberals in the comments find uncomfortable. We've all witnessed it. The moment a liberal encounters someone who dares to challenge their worldview, the "tolerance" dissipates. Couldn't agree more with his point about the lack of inclusivity within liberalism. While it claims to champion diversity and fairness, it often shuts down any differing opinions that don't align with its preconceived notions.
yeah, sure. what's up with the condecending tone? the liberal values allowed for you to speak in this manner on this platform. you just don't like the results of some liberties.(abortion being normalised despite it being closer to a tragedy. but again looking at the circumstances in the society, having more mouths to feed is not always that easy) but we are at least in the process of achieving that(a perfect system to benefit all humans) after 2-3 centuries of existing. islam after 1400 years still looks like 7th century Arabia.
anyway, i posted a comment before you. go to the "newest comments" and look after it. and please reply to my points if you have time. i would appreciate it
today's liberals have mutated liberalism. but don't you find it ironic that muslims claim divine revelation and apparently get that wrong all the time [supposedly]. it is interesting your husband calls this an inquisition. have the liberals actually killed any muslims yet? but muslims have killed lots of liberals. speaking of homos, what did you think of the pulse night club attack in orlando?
They are a walking irony.
the most exclusive intolerant angry bunch of people I've ever seen.
Tom left out the crucial genocidal Jihad doctrine that the Satanic Muhammad spouted. Tom is waiting for the opportune moment to launch the ultimate Jihad to capture dictatorial power over the whole world.
I remind you that Western governments are tolerating people like Daniel Haqiqatjou who endorses child marriage and killing of apostates and homosexuals.
To be honest, As a female revert to Islam , I would like to be in a Muslim Country. Salam from Sweden. (ps I do understand its different from me , then a person that have to flee from Muslim countries to save their lives or those of loved once.
the irony is that i am trying to learn Swedish on duolingo(just to know a Scandinavian language.) as a Romanian.
anyway, what convinced you to become muslim?
i tell you now though, it is not the truth.
what is wrong with sweden?
@@phs8014 Lgbtq
This forum is not for you. Go to where you agree with the content and stop trolling. You may need to learn Russian and Orthodoxy soon.
Thank you Thinking Muslim and Imam Tom. I've just finished a politics degree and moving on to an Islamic Studies one.
Liberalism is a path to overcome suffer, nothing more or less. To get happy in this life. To me it would be wonderful for Muslims beeng liberated. You would be very helpful for the world I guess. Not like the Americans or the Europeans... I bet you would care for your parents and children ❤❤❤ this how I see more than 90 percent of the Muslim and Christians also. The liberating shouldn't be exclusive to rich people to make more money. It should be given to normal and altruistic people for a better planet ❤❤❤
Imam Tom reminds me of Malcolm X. May Allah preserve you. Ameen.
Me too, subhanallah. Baraka Allahu feekom.
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What about him is like malcolm x ?
@@silminawaz3825 nothing. are you a supporter of the nation of islam?
Did Malcolm X support elGeeBeeTee like imam tom?
SoubhanAllah Imam Tom
You leave us, as always, in awe. Direct, incisive, articulate, succinct, courteous yet courageous with more pithy quotes than one could possibly hope for. Aha. May Allah swt bless you for your kalam jamil, your beautiful speech, and continue to bless us with it. May He be pleased with your efforts and allow them to continue to be a sabab of guidance for many in the world, and especially in this, our wounded and scattered, yet brave and persevering ummah… InshaAllah
This is the first time for me to this channel & hearing imam Tom makes me sad abt our umma & I wonder why many even thousands of muslims are willing there life & sacrifice death to go to Europe or west as a migrant ... its sore issue in muslim world I knw.
I heard that migrating to another land in order to maintain your religion is kind of a worship.. but unfortunately its the other way round to us muslims as a whole.
We need new breed of political leaders in muslim world that fear Allah Almighty. We all need to recognise that the sad thing is we are the ones to blame. Who blindly follows political leaders or partys.. its a form of tribalism that our prophet forbade, but no one seems to care abt The MBS's & el sisi's of our umma. Shame on to us 😪
Love from Maldives to all brothers and sisters of me 💚🙏
May Allah help us all and stabilise the Muslim world once again.
It's impossible if we keep tolerating secular governments in Muslim countries.
Those are the real Muslim of Islamic knowledge that we should listen to.
To be fair, in the US, there are pockets of high density of Muslims.
For example Dallas TX has seen a huge influx of Muslims and is arguably paving the way for establishing strong Muslim schools in the US.
It´s great that american muslims are increasinly moving to red states. The next thing should be for them to stop voting for democrats, because liberals hate islam, muslims and conservative values. They only like you when you´re an ex-muslim or an Ilhan Omar.
Keep justifying dunya over Akhira. Life is short
This was a masterclass. AllahumaBarik .
amazing questions and even better answers. Really benefited from this. Imam Tom's critique and analysis is so clear cut and so well elaborated. I love it. JZk. We really need this type of content.
These distinguished guests suggested:
1. George Saliba, Professor of Arab and Islamic Sciences, to talk about the transfer of science and knowledge between civilizations, the story of the beginning of the Arab-Islamic civilization, and the story of its collapse and its causes.
2. Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar, to talk about the story of the beginning of the scientific miracle in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and stories of scientists’ fascination with the scientific miracles in the Qur’an and Sunnah
3. Political journalist Salman Al-Ansari to talk about the problems of the international Muslim Brotherhood movements with regard to Arab rulers or Salafist clerics, and thorny political issues in which regional and global ambitions overlap in the Arab world
It's always a pleasure to listen to Imam Tom ❤I knew him through the book analysis he did for "the impossible state" and Asad Talal's book, he's so articulate and knowledgable mashallah and I really look up to him. Thank you so much for your amazing ❤
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:31 🏫 Liberal values and the Muslim community clash on issues like prayer in schools, holidays recognition, and sexuality education.
03:13 🤝 Liberals want to secularize Islam, creating a version of the religion that aligns with their values, which is why they push for "Progressive Islam."
11:22 🗽 Neutrality doesn't exist; liberal ideology relies on secularization to fit other value systems into a framework that it can govern.
15:21 👁️ Liberalism's view of humanity as material beings shapes its definition of rights and values, which can clash with Islamic values.
17:23 🔒 Liberal tolerance isn't absolute; it has limits, and secularization is often the prerequisite for tolerating a belief system or religion.
21:30 🏛️ Compromising with the liberal state varies in degrees, and some compromises may erode the essence of Islam.
22:26 🕌 There are different forms of compromise, including accepting citizenship, but some compromises may lead to the secularization of Islam.
23:43 🇺🇸 Living in the West, like the United States, can provide space to establish Islam without extreme compromise, depending on individual choices.
26:03 🏡 Intentionally choosing to live in Muslim communities and building Islamic institutions can help preserve the faith in Western contexts.
27:29 🇬🇧 Muslims in the UK have generally maintained their faith through generations, despite living in liberal states.
30:06 🗳️ In the U.S., liberalism is split between progressive Democrats and conservatives, revealing a tension within liberalism's relationship with the state.
32:28 📜 The U.S. Constitution is rooted in liberal principles but has limitations and historical contradictions regarding human rights.
34:46 🏛️ Liberalism's manifestations can vary among U.S. states due to the federal system, leading to different emphases on government involvement.
37:14 🤝 Navigating political life in liberal states requires Muslims to negotiate their rights within the framework of liberalism while maintaining their beliefs.
39:54 🌈 While Muslims may encounter challenges in liberal environments, there is room for courage and moral conviction to stand for their beliefs without compromising fundamental principles.
41:20 🤝 It's important for Muslims to be ready to make sacrifices in order to live according to their beliefs.
43:12 💬 Communication and principled stand are crucial when dealing with societal issues.
45:04 🌍 Islam can challenge the liberal project of secularization due to its emphasis on submission and righteousness.
47:17 💭 Nostalgia for a time when religious morals had a significant influence on society is problematic and unrealistic.
51:55 🔄 The idea of rewinding to a previous societal state is not practical; instead, Muslims should focus on addressing current issues.
58:57 📜 We need to think about how to move forward in addressing societal challenges, rather than attempting to reverse the secularization process.
01:00:18 🔍 Discussing and debating the ideas of liberalism within the Muslim community is essential, and there's room for more emphasis on this topic in organizations like Yaqeen Institute.
01:01:10 🧐 Many Muslims have internalized liberal values without realizing it, especially in academic institutions, impacting their approach to Islam.
01:02:03 📚 There's a need for Muslims in social sciences and humanities to critically examine structures through an Islamic worldview and communicate this effectively.
01:03:25 💬 Muslims should engage in discussions about liberalism and autonomy and explain why certain ideas may undermine Islam.
01:04:18 🌍 While Muslims can exist within liberal states, it's important to recognize that the freedom they enjoy is often not due to liberalism but to historical factors.
01:06:08 💡 Muslims have the opportunity to establish independent Muslim scholarship and institutions in the West but need to prioritize it and act with sincerity.
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Br Tom you hit the nail right on the head !
Alhamd'lillah...we thank you a lot to have introduced us to imam Tom.may Allah be pleased with you both
Dear "The Thinking Muslim" team, thank you very much for facilitating such comprehensive discussions on challenging topics.
Allahumma barik ,this conversation was Amazing Mahallah may Allah preserve them both
Thank you very much and may Allah reward you for providing Imam Facchine with this social media platform to provide his very excellent critique on the relationship between "Liberalism" and the Deen of Islam. His personal courage and educational foundation in political science and Islamic law equips him to be the type of Muslim leader we need to face the spiritual, social and political challenges of the 21st Century, al Hamdullilah.
Thanks for both. It is really interesting discussion. We do have opportunities and challenges. We have to stand for these challenges. Agree.
Jzk dear Ustadh
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Wa Eyyakum
Mashaa Allah this imam is a gem for the ummah may Allah protect him from all evils n grant us more of his kind ameen
What he said at 26:00 is the way I had been since childhood prior to Islam. School friends were school friends and my real friends were siblings, cousins and neighbors.
I remember telling my school friends, "I don't have friends, I have acquaintances" with regard to school friends.
Mashallah Tabarakullah
That was excellent..
Thank you for this discussion. Much needed.
Thank you for this informative discussion! Just a couple comments: (1) Muslims moving to the US solely for dunya reasons has had ripple effects, since their deen was probably not on point to begin with, and (2) some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools and in the community. And let me add that (3) many of our community leaders, masjid presidents, board members etc. aren’t doing their job effectively, so we have neglected youth, languishing reverts, disgruntled women and sad kids while those in leadership positions are focused on self-serving projects and embroiled in petty disputes. There are amazing communities, but on the whole we really need to up our game. Because (4) not every Muslim family is in a position to choose their location.
shouldn't all muslims try to migrate to 'islamic lands'?
@@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi that’s an idea. But it’s not an option for everyone. The US has a large and growing number of converts/reverts with varying economic resources, family commitments, personal circumstances, etc. Muslim countries are not 100% Islamic either as Imam Tom mentioned. They present other challenges and increasingly some of the same challenges as here in the US. And one thing we still have here that many Muslim countries lack is freedom of religion. We need to build robust communities and institutions here.
I agree with most of your comments but I am not sure why you felt it was necessary to say "some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools." Generally speaking I would say that a child's home environment and peers in general are major contributing factors to their spiritual foundation, however, even the Prophet Nuh's son left Islam.
@@saburabdul-salaam2418 I mentioned it because I’ve seen this. I agree the home environment is generally more important, but it depends on the kid and what they go through with peers. Sadly, my own girls experienced more bullying and toxic exclusionary behavior from Muslim kids than from non-Muslim and I’ve seen the same with other family members and children of friends. I also saw this as a teacher in Islamic schools - bullying, racism, cliquishness, and arrogant, judgmental attitudes in different communities in different states over the last 30 years. It breaks my heart. I could get very specific…. If people want to bury their heads in the sand, this stuff will continue to be a factor in people running away from the religion.
@@hoopoe9629 I am very sorry about the bullying that your. daughters have experienced in Islamic schools, I am a co-founder of the Al Ihsan School in Syracuse, New York, it is K-thru eighth grade and has been in existence for over 20 years. I have also taught in Islamic schools in Los Angeles, Philadelphia and New York City. I have also taught in public schools. Both Islamic schools and public schools have their problems and have good students and bad students. May Allah bless, guide and protect the Muslims.
Great questions by our brother and host. Jzk to both ❤️
الحمدالله
Thank you for the clarity. Critical questions and insightful answers.
Thanks, Ustadh Tom!
We don’t deserve Imam Tom. May Allah bless and reward you both for this podcast!’
Thank you for this. JazakAllah a khair. I can tell you at least in my situation in Chicago USA, I can live more of my Islam then in Palestine and not because of the Israeli government, but because of the non-religious pressure of family members and community. So far there is more space here then there for my situation. Allah knows. I would have loved to be born there and stay in the blessed land but this is how it turned out so far.
Great Lecture on political science from an Islamic perspective Very Humble and balanced as always
God bless
Great Podcast! اللهم بارك لكم ولهذا المشروع
MashaAllah brothers what a beautiful and thought provoking conservation.Immensely beneficial.JazakaAllah for this.May Allah SWT reward both of you
Excellent interview. Very informative.
Really enjoyed this episode, jazakallah!
Jazak Allah khairan what a rich and most needed discussion. May Allah reward you both inshallah
much needed discussion especially with current extremism from liberalism going on. Thank you was a great listening to both. I believe this is very similar to story of youth running to Caves in surah Kahf because it reached to point where we are close to currently. Dangerous times for holding onto religion.
I made Hijra in 2018 to Indonesia, I don’t regret it at all. Yes Indonesia is hyper secular and makes the red line very clear for Ulema, but I find that there is a higher probability of passing on values and ideas that are pleasing to Allah if I raise my children within a culture that’s traditions are inherently connected to Islam.
Because my children would have grown up around my family who are non Muslims, I made the decision to sacrifice economically with hopes of increasing in Faith. I can say for a surety Allah has made a way for me from means I would never have thought and given me clarity in many of the misconceptions I had due to the many years of absorbing liberal secular ideas. Stepping outside the box, so to say is some time the best way to see what it truly is.
However, I have to say my situation is very different than someone with a good Muslim family living in the Occident. Although, I would not totally throw out the corpus of Hijra (not saying Imam Tom is doing that) from experience I say Hijra is a valid option especially for young Muslim men seeking a spouse.
Thank you Imam Tom, you always make things clear and concise. May Allah grant you success dunya wa ahkira.
Assalamu alaikum! Which country did you leave from? And how old are your children
Alhamdulilah, Allah made a way out for you.
@@asiffarouk7838 lol 😆
Where part of Indonesia? Alhamdulillah, can continue studying Islamic in many of alim ulama there. Afwan
@@asiffarouk7838 Walaikumsalam warahmatullah… I left from the west my kids are 4 and 2 may Allah preserve them.
Thank you, jazakAllah Khayre I love Imam Tom
Fantastic discussion. Jazakallahu Khair
An amazing discussion and debate.
Great discussion I learned new matters and how to deal with them.
Thank you for sharing.
This was insightful - Brilliant talk - mashaAllah wa baarakAllahu feekum.
From Cape Town, South Africa
Fantastic episode as usual
I really enjoyed this presentation quite a bit. Although I am not Muslim myself, I greatly enjoy listening to discussions and perspectives from strong Muslim thinkers. I completely agree with the need to take a principled and disciplined stance against the "liberal inquisition" as the host has termed it
Great discussion Imam Tom. May Allah bless you.
Brother Jalal, can we have a video on waqfs? What is a waqf? Why do awqaf exist? How do awqaf function? Which are the countries apart from US, which allow for the establishment of a waqf? Questions like that.
Also Imam Tom, please release the pdfs that will allow Muslim children to know and defend their faith.
Imam Tom is rising super star !
Thinking Muslim should be congratulated for bring in good, useful, relevant discussions.
Imaam Tom Masha Allah. Allah's gift to the community
Been following Imam Tom for a while on the Utica Masjid TH-cam channel. Alhamdulillah,v he's a leader and a man who understands the challenges Muslims face in the west.
What a great discussion thank you
Wow. What a talk. Mashallah muslims waking up big time alhamdulillah
Excellent discussion on the really issues of the Ummah facing very usefull ideas and methods to navigate/solve our problens jzk.
Excellent program
Great presentation ❤❤❤
Excellent discussion on how the Liberal ideology must be taken head on but with humble clear debate. JazakAllahokhairun
Fruitful Conversation 💚
This is so needed thank you. I literally just had to stick up for myself in an ABAR training. It was very hard and my colleagues have spent the last two days attacking and isolating me.
Stay strong! Allah is with you. So is the ummah!
what does abar stand for?
@@michaelmalzahn-tx2zi Anti Racist Anti Biased, but it is not what it sounds like. Just like the imam said in this talk, they are not trying to get rid of bias or racism, but rather realign the intolerances. I am a teacher and I was told to take all pictures of and representations of white people out of my class and replace with only brown people and brown stories and brown history. When the trainer was asked if this would exclude the white children in our classes, she said "well some cups need to be filled first". I was told to stop using certain language in the classroom like "line leader" or "challenging work" because that is discrimination, and to begin "educating" any parents who pushed back because their beliefs are wrong.
@@bebrave1622 Yep they are using minorities and established discrimination laws for racial groups to push their agendas and bully parents and the wider society into conforming to their ideology.
The more I interact with the left the more I find them to be the most racist group out there, because they change their tone for darker skinned people and assume that you don't understand basic math and science concepts and live without the internet.
Why else would they explain basic math concepts you learn in middle school to darker skinned students of university/college doing engineering courses? I see the way they talk to my friends who look as white as the Europeans. Then my friends tell them they are Arabs and there is a tone shift and magically the conversation is "simplified". It is as if they met a new person. We started to pay attention to these liberal arts students who pretty much run all the events in the university. When they interact with one of our darker friends they start with the "simplified talk" immediately. I mean you can see a stark difference in the way they talk to you based on your accent and skin tone. Why would we be in these science events after hours if we didn't enjoy and understand science? You can see what this training is teaching them.
They see themselves as the only saviours of the non-whites and must help the non-whites to evolve to the level of the whites. Must be a bias from their evolution theory. it makes people feel stupider and become stupider. They want to keep the minorities as their babies who need their help forever. Makes sense why blacks who grow up in these countries have problems and immigrant do better. There is a system who keep them down and these antiracism groups are the guards who keeping the system in place. They are not fighting against it, they actually made it worse in the last couple of years by completely appearing to be racist against whites but it was to keep the non-whites from escaping from their nets and ideology.
Anyways, there are many agendas they are running at the same time. To turn people into nothing but boxes that can be grouped into special groups and they become their representatives. But when we have our group identity and want to self-represent they argue that we need to be individuals and group thing is primitive. Then when we are alone in their groups and want to uphold our individual rights, they argue that our individual values and beliefs are primitive and we are being divisive and making others uncomfortable.
Conclusion: Only liberals can be the leaders (AKA Masters) and we must be the followers (AKA Slaves). They just put non-white liberal leaders and expect us to follow as if we don't have our own beliefs and values. And of course, liberalism is just an objective fact not a subjective belief system 😅
Brilliant talk mashallah. Thankyou
Masha Allah
May Allah bless and preserve the shaikh
The preferred outcome would be for us to be wiped out by the right, and this isn't even a difficult choice to make for people who have taqwa and tawakkul.
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ جَابِرٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو عَبْدِ السَّلاَمِ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " يُوشِكُ الأُمَمُ أَنْ تَدَاعَى عَلَيْكُمْ كَمَا تَدَاعَى الأَكَلَةُ إِلَى قَصْعَتِهَا " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ وَمِنْ قِلَّةٍ نَحْنُ يَوْمَئِذٍ قَالَ " بَلْ أَنْتُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ كَثِيرٌ وَلَكِنَّكُمْ غُثَاءٌ كَغُثَاءِ السَّيْلِ وَلَيَنْزِعَنَّ اللَّهُ مِنْ صُدُورِ عَدُوِّكُمُ الْمَهَابَةَ مِنْكُمْ وَلَيَقْذِفَنَّ اللَّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمُ الْوَهَنَ " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْوَهَنُ قَالَ " حُبُّ الدُّنْيَا وَكَرَاهِيَةُ الْمَوْتِ " .
Narrated Thawban:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and cast enervation (al-wahn) into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: *Love of the world and dislike of death*
Sunan Abi Dawud 4297
Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
We are not supposed to value a comfortable dunya over an honorable death defending the truth. If the Right share more of our values but want us dead, then we either assist them in protecting our values and defend ourselves when they try to kill us or we at least stay neutral. We won't face any punishment for being killed. It's actually the exact opposite. Being killed while defending Islam is the highest honor.
May all humans - no matter what their sexuality is - be blessed with the same rights.
What Imam Tom said @ minute 24 is so true!
24:00
Been saying this for a long time but this podcast does not miss 🎯.
May Allah bless and accept from everyone involved, Ameen.
Major shout out to YM at 25:00, one of the main reasons I’m a proud Muslim today Alhamdulilah.
should homosexuals be put to death if they act on their desires?
Great lecture and insight. We want the hereafter but we don't want to die
Got my mentor🎉
Genius mashaallah ❤
Jazakallah khayran for the Shaykh's amazing insights.
One off hand remark that I think deserves a discussion on its own it the chest thumping under disguise as Dawah. A far as I can see all these so-called cyber celebrity dawah guys, at least in the Anglosphere, call to themselves, attack others, and nobody actually calls TO Allah. What does dawah even mean to them?
If you look closely there are vast parts of this country that have large Amish communities that have a lot of authority and control. Many also have a tax free status and thier own schools and institutions. Muslims could take notes.
If you are so fundamentally opposed to the basic tenets of secular liberal systems, why stay? Is it ethical to call upon the liberal belief in freedom of speech to promote your faith to the masses while simultaneously limiting other's freedom to express themselves?
The question is whether to sacrifice your religion or sacrifice your rights. They aren't offering any other options.
Make a hijra
Eh. Rights are overrated. There is a ton we can sacrifice without compromising our deen.
Been following your podcast, never hit me that you could also have youtube 😂
We should make that more clear!
This guy is a G!!!! I hope he can fix the yaqeen institute and all it’s modernist loving teachers!
He has already been absorbed by Yaqeen. Instead of fixing Yaqeen, he got fixed by Yaqeen and became the chief propagandist of the org just like Shaykh Tahir Wayait.
Ameen
As-salamu alaykum.
The video discusses the challenges that Muslims face in the West, such as Islamophobia, demonization of Islam, and erosion of religious freedom. Imam Facchine and Dr. Warner argue that Muslims are facing a "liberal inquisition" in the West, and that they need to be more assertive in defending their religious beliefs and more proactive in engaging with the wider society.
Allahu a'alam.
Can I recommend the novels "Hadji Murat" by Leo Tolstoy and "Death and the Dervish" by Mese Selimovic. With those tomes under one's belt, the Believers will be better equipped to deal with such issues.
18:33 Tolerance of Liberalism is a MYTH.
The best advice, as always, is that of the Quran: Lakum deenukum wal yadeen: You have your religion and I have mine (109:6). And let Allah be the Judge, on Judgement Day.
When the soul will see Jannaht, than it will say, that is what i always desired.
Environmental Science University might be our priority for facing the age's of climate change@toxicity
Get imam tom for another episode
11:34 Liberalism/ Secularism isn't about separation of Church and state.
Assalamualikum what does it mean liberal inquisition ?
In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful
To be a Ghazi a True Ghazi for the religion of islam and it's founder Allah
I believe that should be the ambition of every Muslim now
Stay alive and keep fighting
Secondly to be the Chief Executive and the Chief Commander is a privilege which I seek Allah to bring it and give it to me
Allahu Akber , Allah is Greater !
Certain system - military state - democracy - then tyranny.
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Interesting!!!
May Allah save us, Aamiin.
@imam tom do you put the blame of the malaise with the secular state or liberalism ?
It's as the Prophet said, love of this world is to blame.
@@TomFacchineحياك الله
I am Buddhist, I believe Muslims can be liberal and Muslims you are our friends. We are not like Hindus. We respect your faith and rules. For the engaged Buddhism iou are aloud to practice meditation as long as you respect us.
Islamic Perspective on Freedom
As a Muslim Islam gives us the right of 'Freedom of Thought & Speech !
The Islamic concept of freedom of expression is a expression to allow all Muslims ..
The superior Islamic concept that should be more prevalent to access for the propagation of virtue and truth.
Rather than spread or excite the evil and wicked virtues .
For Instance : According to 'Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jama'ah' the Prophet Muhammad RAS (pbuh) said :
"The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them,
(Tābiʿun), and then those coming after (the second generation)"
The difference between a Liberal and a Conservative ...
The Conservatives believe structure is based on 'everyday politics' with undertones of a monotheistic inclination.
In which the greater importance of stability, and promotion of the law and order to protect private property.
Whereas the 'Liberals' believe and interaction questions the universal access to health care for their personal,
health. And this 'health care system' should not be dependent upon one's financial resources,
Therefore this includes the support of government intervention and funds.
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For all of those who think it is ideal if Muslim women are not financially dependent on men:
Would it be ideal if Muslim men were not sexually dependent on their women? For example, would it be ideal if men could purchase (at low cost) harems of docile life-like forever-young sex robots?
How would you respond to Muslim men who justified this by saying such robots are necessary to give men true independence, such that they are not forced to stay in relationships with women who are rude, jealous, controlling, manipulative, fat, old, or ugly?
How would you respond to Muslim men who said that Muslim women need to "step up their game" such that men choose to be with them instead of a robot that is more friendly, beautiful, young, and thin?
The cop out answer is to say sex robots are haram, but there are other conceivable halal alternatives that would do the same thing: flood men with cheap alternatives. Obviously, such alternatives would weaken and ultimately destroy marriage because it takes away the dependence that men have on women for sex.
But that is literally what giving women financial independence does; it makes them independent from men. And that's why no society or religion ever did give women that independence, except for our current dystopia.
I thought this was an interview with Matt Walsh! Lmao!
45:41 Daniel Haqiqatjou??
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1:00:28 Yaqeen Institution?
The Imam claimed that some Moslem states are anti islamic. Which Moslem states does he mean?
I think islam and liberalism cannot coexist, both are different systems. There may be Islam in liberalism like many others, but there cannot be liberalism in Islam, right?
Wonderful discussion. The issue of raising Muslim kids is a little more nuanced so I disagree a bit with the Imam on the reality of Muslim lived experiences. Some of what he says is true but there are also pockets of rather large and active communities in the US where parents don’t have such stark choices. For example in the DC region and outer suburban communities there’s a strong Muslim presence where parents have access to good jobs, good schools, but also where we have built strong centers of religion. These are some of the wealthiest communities in the nation and you’ll see plenty of Muslim kids in public schools who also have access to religious schools and education. We need to build critical mass in more communities. How else will we attract more people to our deen if we’re so insular?
The problem is that you shouldn't rise your children at all religiously. They are children. They don't understand the concept of religion.
10:10 *Fundamentally*
1:02:40 - Timestamp. Jargon ; )
That navigating differences document seems bogus.
asalaam alaikum, thank you again for these discussions, however, I must state clearly again that Allah is not a deity - a deity implies an idol of worship, hence to consider Allah a deity would be to approach idolatry. I can understand why a former Christian would make this statement, but it's not a correct understanding of Allah - it is clearly stated in the Qur'an that Allah is creation, hence why, again, in the Qur'an, it is stated that Allah does not and will not explain all of creation to us and how the cosmos came to be etc (I am building off what is stated in al-Kahf), because that would require us to be able to see into other dimensions of reality, which we humans are incapable of -- we can make models and assumptions, but we will never witness an alternate dimension beyond the 3rd/4th dimensional time-space. Allah is the cosmos/creation itself, not a Zeus-like figure given to us through Judeo-Christian beliefs. This understanding in no way invalidates morality or afterlife -- I am not allowed to kill anyone I please, for example, unless of course my life is threatened by them attacking me under conditions of oppression. I can submit to ensuring paradise in this life for those that follow after me (who will remember you in an act of embodied afterlife, hence the significance of martyrs), for a less provocative example, and indeed, when we ascend in this life or pass on, as some would say, we are not separate from the cosmos, since we are made from the cosmos. We do not say that someone buried is separate from the Earth, for example, that would make no sense, and even if someone were to be cremated, their ashes are not separate from the cosmos or the Earth either. One lives on by returning to the cosmos, if you like, in a way that is beyond the material human body -- we contribute to the soil, for example, or air and so forth. As Allah made us, we may die as an individual, but are still part of Allah's creation after that individual death.
But it is important to feel you can say things and not getting in jail just because you speak an opinion. That do not mean though that you should say anything.
(i tried to post this on one of his videos' comment section and did not appear. hope he replies here)
where can i find you online to talk in private? on facebook messenger maybe. or even here, but i want you to go back to this comment and reply SINCERELY to my questions even if you think i overwhelm you(somehow). and in regards to bias, i developed a sense of disgust towards the religion from my own mind(i was raised in a Christian background: Romanian Orthodox. but lost some faith in the creed. mainly for the 1st and 2nd points in this list), no "evil freemasons" involved or "Shaytan" because yeah...
anyway, let's start with the fundamentals and then... i think i would enumerate them randomly after:(disclaimer: some of these are shared with other beliefs)
1. how can free will(and reward/punishment based on that) exist in a case of an all-knowing, all-wise and all-just God?
2. evolution(including that of humans) is a proven fact. what are you going to do with the humans made of clay?
3. if a prophet is only sent to his tribe, why is injeel, a greek word for a book sent to the Jews, actually a thing?
4. if the role of the Messiah was to give to the Jews rulership over their homeland, why didn't he do it? why just appear 2000 years ago and through a "misunderstanding" to lead millions(until 600AD and billions until today) to h3ll?
5. why was he born of a virgin? and what are the theological conclusions of this? he was also sinless(19:19) unlike Muhammad (48:2)
6. why does Quran plagiarise from Jewish texts and Christian cannonical and gnostic gospels?(especially since Waraqah ibn Nawfal was Muhammad's aquitance) the birds-from-clay is from the infancy gospel of Thomas.
7. why couldn't Muhammad give up on his pagan tendency? adopting the Kaaba, a house of idols, as part of the Abrahamic creed. also kissing random meteorites. or the satanic verses thing.
8. if "Sun in a murky water" is metaphorical why be placed in the Quran? weren't there greater issues to talk about?(it feels like the hadith does a better job at that) literally the controversial d3ath of Jesus is "properly"covered by one verse 4:157 and even that does not go into details. there is also the thig about Gog and Magog failing to appear after Dhul Qrnayn called for the construction of that IRON wall.
9. a BARRIER separating waters of diffeent salinities? they mix... and what do you mean barrier? even if they don't mix the barrier is the salty-water itself, not some other material.
10. 18:50 Allah commanding the angels and getting angry at the jinn. it looks like Muhammad did not know if he wanted to make Stan into a renegade angel or another being.
11. going back to the 3rd point, why is Zabur a book on its own? and why was it revealed? isn't the point of it all about the songs being composed by David?
there are more to talk about, but you might think of me as an "islamophobe". whatever that is. apparently criticising a belief or culture(ideology-folklore-practices) is such a revolting crime, right? a bit of a hypocrisy considering... many things.
anyway, i would appreciate greatly if you were to reply.
No offense, but why do you want to have answers? You seem pretty happy and anchored in your views.
@@saihinadir because of comments like these. if i wanted to become "disciplined", be brainwashed by recitations in an exotic language, believe that i go to an hedonistic heaven after i d1e, believe Charles Darwin and all humans with an observational sense before and after him imagined a pattern because of Shaytan, that somehow a caravan plunderer is above a pacifistic carpenter, well... that would have been the easy route. i want to be embrace reality. even if the journey is depressing. and even if the goal is depressing. currently i am open to the idea of a pandeist God. the islamic God however? if you can't reason for me those things, i will remain an atheist to that certain Theos.
@@saihinadir also, i am sorry for pointing it out, but shouldn't you, like a compassionate fellow human, try a bit harder? my (after)life is on the line. but nooooo. you don't wanna waste your half an hour(or how much it takes) to save my soul. you would rather pray those 5 prayers ripped off from Zoroastrianism(who believes that 50/10=5 thing?) at least if you were buddhists or something, retreating and meditating in your mountains. but the creed asks for intoxication of others' lands. waging war or infiltrating(not that i am against discourse. but taqqiya is proven to be an actual tactic. i notice it with those in speakers' corner as well. Mohammed Hijab would speak of preservation to some clueless guy and when speaking to Yasir Qadhi the qirat's are mentioned) in other societies.
and i see it as a bit of a duty to see what are your motives. because if people really try to be unbiased and do their research in two weeks everyone would accept evolution, that the monotheistic religions don't really tie things well
(see free will) and that good morals can arise without some of these "guys". is it because of France. USA and UK trying to get your oil? because of that you try to avenge yourselves through religion? to rally up the naive folk? is it Arab pride? or... those that lost their culture to the Arabs(since when are the Egyptians Arabs?) or... tell me? what's your bias?
@@porphyry17 no one asks you to believe, you are seeking an argument on your own. I wont try because you are arguig to satisfy the frivolity of your ego, not to actually exchange. The way you ask your questions shows that you already are deadset on an idea and unwilling to change. I suggest going elsewhere other than YT if you just want to argue. I personally dont seek to save you from hell. I wont answer any further. Save your time and do somethg meaningful.
@@saihinadir my friend, i can no longer be "neutral" if every time i "corner" you with the very things that depart me from what-you-call "the true faith" you just evade an argument. this only proves to me your faith is tribalistic. of course, that following that, i should be suspicious. my tone sounded mocking at times because 1. the points i criticise are often times just ridicullous("how can you really believe this" type of thing. like sun in a murky water) 2. that there is tradition based bias. you are adamant to keep to your beliefs because your ancestors did. or because you dedicated your life to it. or just because you were convinced by it. if you wre wrong just admit. you go to sleep thinking 6 of the 8 billion people in this world might go to h3ll. what makes you think you got it right? 3. as i said, this hit-and-run attitude. you always talk from above but when asked to protect your beliefs you brush it off.
you really believe that i am influenced by Satan or something. humans are humans. i am not a videogame NPC. i too had my existential crisis. for a 7yo to think that i would end up in the same spot like my dog(2 meters underground) or for a 10yo to see humans made of clay make no sense, for a 15yo thinking that the idea of a soul is not that far away from the consciousness we see in animals as well, the brain making connections between its different funtions as a body.
i might end up thinking that if God exists(one that makes sense. not one that. again look at the 1st point on free will) he would not concern himself with humans the way he does in some religions.
and for real, you're giving me ultimatums and proclamations? "i'm not gonna read anymore because the propaganda got to you"? what propaganda? what i said is from Quran, sahih hadiths, history, science.
if you want "propaganda" look at the hollow eyes of some of your believers. like the naive folk that thinks that if their mindset about the world is proven flawed, their mind will break and become depressed. or if they give up those beliefs they would go rampage and commit crimes(apparently they commit crimes for their beliefs as well. if you know what i mean)
In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful
Having the choice of declaration of my pronouns he and him makes me feel good and happier
That gives me the opportunity of freedom to choose who I am and I want to be
That is good
I must say here that freedom is a gift from Allah to the mankind
Allah is Greater
I have chosen to submit my self in islam to Allah
And this does not restrict me in any way to my peers who have chosen to submit themselves to their forefathers and founding fathers religion and that is secularism I can understand that is their choice and their way
It gives me a better cause to argue with them and express my opinions when I declare that there is no god except Allah and Muhammad is His servant and Messenger and to challenge them
However when it comes to social status and state secularism I still need my Liberal views to argue with the government that I as a Muslim should be able to participate with my belief and feelings using the Scripture of Allah into the law making process and I while relying on the guidance and the verses of the Scripture which I believe The Glorious Qur'an must be free to do so
For instance in Turkey adultery is not a crime neither an offence
Whereas in my religion and the Scripture it is
So my argument with the verses of the Glorious Qur'an to be able to participate in the law making process and I should be able to give a law offer to make adultery illegal in the voting in the Assembly of Turkey TBMM
Here is the most important part that is is the President of Turkey and the TBMM will ever allow me to participate and break the rule of secularism on forbidden participation with the Holy Book ?
This is my right
My right of inclusiveness and equality and participation which the secular democratic constitutional countries deny me
13:02 There's no such thing as neutrality