Square Baler Down!!! Quick Fix? Or Not…
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In this video we bale the hay we didn’t get done at dads on the last video. It had gotten rained on so had to be raked, and everything turned into a mess with the wheel rake making big clumps. The New Holland 276 went down, watch to see if we can get it going.
Also a couple questions asked in this video…be sure to watch and comment below with your thoughts on my questions. And thanks I’m advance.
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Hey everyone I’ve noticed that several comments have been taken down by TH-cam. Most likely there’s some word or wording in your comment that TH-cam takes the wrong way or something. Just wanted to let you know I’m not doing it. And I’d like to hear from all of you so if you want to try again and maybe change the wording a little…if not i definitely understand.
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My 370, common model here in Ireland.
Built about 1979 I believe.
370 been treating you good? How much hay to you put up? And are you able to get hay dry at all there? I hear it’s very wet there and have lots of rain.
@@thebalerman It's been very good. The numbering of models seems to differ a bit between the UK built models and the US ones.
We had a 268 Super Hayliner here from new ( about 1962 or 63) and they were different to the 268 ones from the US.
UK ones had what was described as a "grand piano" style cover over the pick-up, with an arm cycling under it to run the packers.
It's challenging some summers to get hay in our area ( Co. Cavan), and when round bale silage came in, about 1982 or so, it was a God send. This year was most unusual as we had fantastic hay weather twice during the summer, hence I pulled out the baler. There is a kind of fever comes over fellows when the weather forecast shows an "Azores High" developing, which basically means a period of time when the gulf stream brings up a prolonged ridge if high pressure from Spain, and lads think "I'll mow for hay".
Lots of times you mightn't get good hay again for 3 or4 years.
$100.00 per hour at least. I live in NY and do a few knotter repairs.
I like New Holland square bailers. Last one I repaired was a Model 67. Just last week.
Good job fixing the knotter! We have a older Baler and I had to learn to work on it! All the old baler mechanic guys are gone! Bless your family and still have you all in my prayers! Also I hope God continues to bless our country! No better country to live in the world!
Thanks I like it when you fix something and it works like it’s supposed to when you’re done haha. Thanks you for that!
In Edwards County working on hay equipment is a lost art. Good luck. 98 % is fence row to fence row corn beans. I think if you had them bring it to you you would get plenty of work. Most people who square bale here are hobby farms.
It's been years since I've messed with square bales, neighbor bought an old New Holland and needs worked on so I find myself doing the research as there doesn't seem to be any experts left in my area. Thank you for the great info!
I’m glad you found my channel. Hopefully it’s a resource for you and can help you out. Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help you out. Thanks for watching
i bought a 14t when i retired and have learned a lot working on my own.i bale around 1200 bales a year..would love a newer baler but not in my buget.really like your vids and learning a lot.
Thanks! That’s the best way to learn, just do it. It helps to have someone to help when you’ve tried some stuff and not figured it out yet.
Another great video Ross. As far as the service work, just don’t spread yourself too thin. I understand the juggles of turning hobby into a job. As one of the guys commented earlier about making a winter service call / checklist sounds like a good idea. Kinda like what you’ve done on your own. As far as a newer baler. We still run old slow stuff but I’d stay with what you know and you definitely know New Holland. Look forward to the next video. I’m not to far across the river might have to stop in and check on ya sometime lol. Keep after it brother
Yeah I thought I’d start with something like a pre season inspection/tuneup. But then off to do service work on the condition if I’m available. Start off slow and go from there. Yeah I think we are definitely leaning towards something like a 575 new holland. Slightly different from what I’m used to with the feeder system and gear drive. We have always kept a second baler but with me and my dad nothing having balers we can use each other’s as the spare.
I have a New Holland 316, got manual for the knotter and got it fixed myself. My dream baler would be a Hesston inline.
Hey !! I really like your videos and learn a lot for my NW320 hay líner l just got working this last season after have it for 3 yesrs so wish you the best!!👍
Thanks for the comment. At the beginning of the video you will see a bunch of baler parts in the corner of my building, that's actually a 320. I have it all torn apart and a bunch of new parts. I have plans to reassemble it and hopefully have some good videos on it.
where i am in SW Virginia you cant find people to work on square balers at all . Thats why Im watching your videos to get more educated on repairing them. I have a MF 12 that has served me well. Small operation. Im hunting for a NH 273 right now. Reason being that there are more of them around and parts more available. Thanx for your videos!
Thanks for watching and I’m glad you can get something out of my videos. Let me know if there’s anything I can help you with.
Yes I’d pay to have a knowledgeable person to service my knotters. I will say you make it look incredibly easy to diagnose and repair but I’ve yet to have the same luck lol. As far as balers, in my area I see lots of Deere balers including my own 337. I would like to work into a 348 in the future but I think I just feel comfortable working around the green machines. Keep up the great content!
Thanks for the comment. It's not always easy. The biggest pain is when something isn't happening consistently. And I feel the same about New Holland, that's what I've been around and know so that's probably what I'll stick with.
There was a repairman from somewhere in the midwest that used to come out through the Southwest and California in the winter repairing, checking, and “tuning up” NH small square balers fir people. I can’t find him anymore, so he must have retired.
He seemed to have a pretty large customer list and dud well.
This might be a good business opportunity if you have some time in the winter.
If you want to come out to Arizona I would definitely want you to checkout, adjust, repair, and service my NH 425.
It is working fine but I would like a knowledge professional go through it.
Thanks
Herald
Here in Australia I would gladly pay $75 an hour for your service. I have a NH317 baler built in Australia in the early 80s, this model is highly sought out here, it has been very reliable, the only issue has been with the Knives, being an ex printer I took them to a printing Guillotine sharpening company who sharpened and restraightened them. I have enjoyed viewing your videos.
Yeah I see some odd number balers that were made over seas. I have wondered if it’s the same baler just numbered different to show it’s made in a different country or if there’s actually differences in them.
Excellent video! I run a NHSuper 69. I run it at 1900rpms.....well below my 540pto rpm....it helps prevent the banana bales.
We had a 68 or 69 and it gave us a fit with banana bales. Dads baler needs to be adjusted from when I did the work on it this spring. I put the feeder bar in the generic position and haven’t touched it sense. Just haven’t really had a chance to.
Last I seen on TH-cam 29,000 is a lot of money for for brand new baler Without the thrower, i haven't turned Hay since I was a kid Probably 40 years ago. The equipment hasn't changed much though, & I couldn't tell you about the different series of New Holland, but that's what we used to use. The baie thrower used a gasoline engine, noisy son of a bitch. I like the ones that have the shaft that goes all the way back to the thrower. All the videos that I've seen about keeping the balers up Have been pretty straightforward. It sounds like something that a person could get out and make a little money with, even myself. If a person got himself a service truck and you stocked parts for different kind of balers, Even the John Deers, you could probably make a little money on the side keeping on everybody's equipment up. Nice job
Had a Massey #12 it was a good small baler, parts were getting a little hard to get. Bought a NH 565, it does make a bale faster and will take more hay. If you have enough hay folks in your area you would have more than enough business. Dealers here in Tennessee are up to around 100.00 to 110.00 per hour at the shop. Love your videos
Thanks for the comment!
I run a NH 273. I've learnt how to fix it myself as well as my rake and 488 mower and round baler. I'm an industrial mechanic specializing in hydraulics by trade but this stuff is different. Took some learning but Ive got it down pretty well.
I try to buy equipment that I can easily buy parts for. All my New Holland stuff I can get parts for easily. Also my tractors are a Ford 3600 and 5610. They work excellent and are easy to fix. I've baled with my 273 beside a JD 336 baler and the NH works much nicer and faster. My rake is a side delivery NH 56. All works great.
Here in central Jersey, only option is Tractor Joe close by. Havent used him YET. Have knotter issues
It sure is done my part picking it up had some one ask me help time sq bail lost at it
Not saying what I have is the best out there but a 570 NH is a fantastic option. For me custom baling for amish I need to fit between gates so a 575 would be impractical, also they have the same exact capacity (I have done a little over 600 in an hour with it). Also less things to go wrong. For me it is perfect. But if u have some extra money poly pickup bands from shoup are an absolute game changer, hay slides on them better, and that flex out of the way and don’t bend so they are much quieter. God bless
Yeah I know a few folks who have gotten poly bands on round balers. I’m not opposed to a 570, the 575 is more common around here and I like the wider pickup. I don’t have to deal with gates except at my dads and we made all of them at least 30’.
Thanks for ur time little more u know
I have a International Mckormick 37 that does a real good job!! I bale around 1700 bales a year with it every year & it handles it very well!!
Nice! Like I said I lover older equipment that performs like it’s supposed to.
Yessir, me too!! They are so easy to work on if your mechanical minded you can figure it out pretty quick!! I do on mine anyway!!
Yeah I’ve never been around any McCormick balers but I’m sure they do a good job if they’re in good condition
Yep international was owned by Mckormick in the early years, then I think Case bought them & became Case IH
Can’t beat the inline Heston/Massey. Lots of older used ones around. A better rake would solve a lot of your problems
Got the better rake part covered now and ended up getting a 575 new holland
If you were closer to Henry county I’d hire you to help with my old super 68 baler.
I run a 273 new holland in Michigan I typically bale 😆 it does a good job not very fast though and if my shit broke down it would be priceless to have a guy come out and get me running because I'm sure it's going to rain any minute....
Haha thanks for the feedback. I’ve been toying with the idea of getting an old service truck for my tools and some parts and be ready to go if someone needed help. But just have been so busy haven’t really perused it yet.
Are you still planning on doing the baler series where you break down how balers work?
Yes I still am. I’m sorry for the delay, life happens sometimes but I have every intention of doing the baler series. It may be a little slower process than originally planned as I may just have to do it as I have time and am already doing a job on the baler. Hopefully I’ll get time to put the 320 back together and I can incorporate that. Thanks for the comment
I have a case IH sb541 that has given me trouble from day one even though I’ve moved thousands by hand I’m still pretty new to running square balers and am looking for help adjusting it because I can’t get my bales out square as in one side is too loose. I have also been having problems with the knotters recently but I think that is a problem for too much grease
Not sure what knotter issues you're having but bale shape is usually a packer fork adjustment and therefore has to do with feed. First you need to be making good tight solid bales. If you still have an issue you can adjust the packer fork. One direction for too much hay and the other for too little. Your book should say which direction to go for your scenario. Make sure you're feeding it enough. They like to eat.
I’m over in Monroe Co..demand is probably lacking bc off all the grain but do you think you could tell enough about a baler just sitting in a shop to do inspections over the winter? Come up with a checklist and go to someone’s shop and give the whole thing a once over like they do combines... flat fee + travel add hourly for adjustments/repairs
Yeah I’ve thought about this as well. And yes I think this is a good option if people would utilize it. The only hesitation I have is a shop adjusted baler doesn’t always necessarily mean it’s going to bale flawlessly. For Knotter adjustment I’d probably just keep some hay around to at least run some through and verify everything is working. That would definitely work in my schedule better for sure. I just need to come up with an inspection checklist and maybe start talking to some people and see how the reception is on something like that.
On the baler.. If it were me and you can take my opinion with a grain of salt... I’d upgrade the rake and keep the balers you have for now.. inconsistency in the bales has more to do with the windrow than the baler ... I went to a Kuhn 3200 rotary infront of my John Deere 336 and it’s amazing how the performance of that baler changed.. it was always in sound mechanical condition but we dealt with long/short, banana, etc. .. no anymore we feed consist hay and produce a consistent bale.. I sell all my squares and have not animals to feed bad ones to.. If you’re going to get the round baler fixed you probably still want a wheel rake but upgrade to one that you can adjust/drop one side if needed to build a windrow specifically for the baler you’re using... a nh 575 or any other baler will still send out inconsistent bales if you feed big clumps or light spots bc the flakes will vary greatly .. it’s not my $$ but I’d start there
I agree. My biggest thing with a rotary is the expense. You’ll pay more for a used single rotary than a pretty nice v wheel rake. But I know that they do a better job. I’m not sure about the drying claims I’ve heard from people. But dads rake is terrible by any measure. But we are definitely looking into rakes no matter what we do with balers. Been looking at rotary and bar rakes as well. We will see.
Expense and the idea that’s they are a single swath wide... my Kuhn is only like 9 ft wide so raking 10 acres of alfalfa takes a LONG time.. they are gentle on hay, make windrows that feed the baler great and your hay will dry in the windrow better.. you can’t rope the hay or make a clump if you try.. I paid $3k for mine used .. width is the biggest drawback by far
I noticed that you have the knotters bolted solid at the bottom. My 425 baler has clevis pins that let the knotter pivot up a bit. The brackets on the baler frame that the pin goes through is slotted some. Should I keep the clevis pins so the knotter can move a bit or should I replace the pins with bolts?
Thanks
Herald in AZ
I’d look closer the Knotter frames aren’t bolted tight. They are double nutted bolts and frames are allowed to move slightly. The older balers had bolts with lock nuts or double nutted. The newer balers have pins. The pins are fine. If the holes are getting wallered out then you could put bolts in and take some slip out. Don’t tighten though.
Thanks for the reply.
If you ever are coming to Arizona and want to check out my NH 425 for me.
I am in Central AZ near Sedona.
Thanks
Herald
@heraldh6547 if I’m ever out that direction I wouldn’t mind stopping by.
My 276 makes a good bale But every 3-4 bales are only half bale size.Ever since I changed the friction disc that moves the trip it started doing this.Any help will be appreciated.. thanks...
When you say friction disc are you talking about the piece that moves the trip arm up as the hay moves through the chamber? It sounds like you are just barely catching th pawl that disengages the knotter mechanism. There are a few adjustments. One on them is the slotted holes that mount the star metering wheel and shaft, this adjusts the distance from the end of the trip arm to the pawl. There is also a piece that slides up and down and is what actually makes contact with the pawl. You need to adjust these items so when the arm trips I will allow the pawl past the stop and engage the knotter. But also contact the pawl enough to stop the knotter and not slip past anywhere else in the travel of the trip arm besides the trip point. Let me know how things go and if you're able to get it taken care of.
No i wouldn't call a tech to come work on my down baler.
Knotters are very unique..
Seams like the only time they call you is when they got the knotters completely out of adjustments.
If i was to buy a different baler
Not sure what baler i would buy.
I have owned 6 different balers.
I like my NH570.
It has capacity plus makes super square bales .
Right I wouldn’t call anyone either. I guess it depends on where you are with your operation and your comfort in doing your own work. It seems like 570’s are more rare around here than a 575.
NH575 are great balers.
I am only going to farm a couple more yrs my 570 is ok
Be glad to pay you if you could come to south central Ky but that's a little far. Have a guy that has a shop if his own and the only guy around that can do the knitters but he is always behind and takes awhile to get if I can't get it going. $90/hr
Knotters
I got a used rotary rake. It will not clump like that. Not as fast as a v rake but worth the extra time.
Yeah that would be a bit far for sure but if I was passing through and you needed a hand I’d be happy to stop and help. Yes I don’t think I’m prepared to go to a single row Amy kind of rake at this point. We will see what happens but we are looking to change rakes for sure.
Like you said no one knows how the old ones are gone and young mechanics at dealers dont have experience.where in illinois are you? Im fixin to buy a 273 for 3 acre hay field in iowa
Southern IL close to Benton
Would you be willing to sell any of those extra bands?
Haha sorry those are for the 320. I’m hoping to get it together sometime.
When I was a kid I learned all the cuss words hanging around baler knotters. You are always baling in the heat and racing against storm clouds with a baler.
If you became the knotter guru that may very quickly tie up a lot of customers! Maybe start a second youtube channel all about knotters, how to repair and set timing, plus parts ordering. Top dozen balers you might even sell complete drop in replacement kits provided you can get them cheap enough from the factories, effectively getting someone going with a brand new baler out of an old husk. Then branch in other baler failure points like PTO bearings and crosses plus shear pins and twine.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah I've thought a lot about it and even thought about dealing some balers and if I get some in that aren't really worth repairing I would have some good parts to support other balers in the field. We will see what the future holds.
You seems to use plastic twine ...what do you think of sisal twine?
Yes we have been using poly for a long time now. I don’t have a problem with sisal it breaks down and doesn’t stick around as long as poly which is good. But it’s way more expensive and seems to be pretty inconsistent.
@@thebalerman I see, my point was that: works the knotters better with sisal?
No the knotters work just as good with poly. The biggest thing is to have quality twine either sisal or poly. There may be some slight adjustments if switching from on to the other and the do make a different billhook for each twine you have issues switching
I switched my nh273 to poly twine because of the inconsistent sisal….didn’t adjust or change anything ….it tie’s awesome now
Get some nylon nuts for the bolt that holds the knotter.
Yes I've used them before and we are using double nuts on dad baler. Sometimes things happen. I use pins on my baler, they don't come loose, most of the time, and they're quick to get off. Thanks
@@thebalerman My baler came with nylon nuts from the factory but the previous owner probably lost the nylon ones and it had double regular nuts just as your dads baler. Long story short, they got loose; fell off and one needle smashed the knotter frame breaking the needle and the knotter. A very expensive repair that would have been avoided by a cheap dime-a-dozen nylon nut
i can take my ford 532 square baler and go bale 500 bales in an afternoon without even missing 1 knot and making pretty square shouldered bales. thats all i know haha
I love an older baler that performs like it’s supposed to. That’s like my 326, newer than yours but still an oldie. I haven’t missed one since I’ve had it besides changing over bales of twine and the time my pin came out of my Knotter frame I think last year.
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Get yourself a 348 John Deere and forget that newholland junk
So you’re saying if I get a John Deere I will never break down? If that’s the case sign me up…just never heard that before. 🤔