I bought a Chinese scooter new for $700 about 18 years ago. It's got 6700 miles on it and all I've had to replace was a speedometer cable, a seat and a air filter box. The forks started leaking a few years ago but I'm not mad.
I just picked up a Vespa clone from Znen used. 900 miles, fit and finish no different than the Piggio. 150cc runs great, added an performance exhaust now sounds great.
Owner of an Icebear here! (PMZ50-17 model). They are SUPER RELIABLE! It must come down to a defective part or two, or the overall design of the model in this video. I’ve clocked over 10,000 km on mine, twice what this guy has on his (4,913.5 km). Icebear scooters read in km, not miles. You’ll have to do the translation on your own when owning one of these. I clock about 24km a day on average (~62 miles a week). These are plenty reliable, have had it for over a year and a half now, only had to replace a spark plug (likely a defective one) and a carburetor once (likely from user error with some carburetor cleaner…) Back tire from a flat, but that’s not a part defect.
Sounds to me like just regular maintenance issues. With every scooter you have to do regular maintenance and always do regular checks on everything. It's not just buy a scooter and ride. You have to take care of them for them to continue to run good. That goes with any scooter you decide to buy named brand or not. Regular checks and maintenance is the key.
No they’re just built cheap. Cheap parts cheap craftsmanship. That’s why there’s Hondas running around from the 80’s on all oem parts that have been sitting in barns for 30 years yet leave a china bike outside for 2 years and it’s crumbling.
He called it an icecool icebear lol. The chinese scooters are fine for the price you pay just keep up with maintenance and its a plus if you can work on it yourself.
@@Scooterswapshop update, 7 months later, both my scooters are kicking ass man. I live in kona Hawaii, my girl and I ride em all the time,with no issues so far. To be fair,I'm a mechanic type, so I initially corrected the air flow suppressor issue to get em perfect after I got em new, I set the valve lash on both and done the preventative maintenance. I also see my same model bike all over kona all the time. Unless you've owned one ,2020 icebear 49cc, then I get you likely wouldn't know. I'm just speaking from experience with em, and I only paid $1200 each in Hawaii, which is a killer deal for fun little toys to do farmers market runs on.
Ive kept 2 TANK/Jonway gy6 149cc scooters for 10 years. The plastic bodys & electrics are 1 year junk. Pan them out in old toolbox metal & they last forever. Upgrade the charging system to full DC wave & add a tomtom. Everyone I know struggles keeping a car, not me...$400 I get a New engine & 80+ mpg. Maybe 1 every 5 years
I live part time in Thailand and very few Thais ride Chinese scooters. 90% plus of the scooters and low bone motorcycles are Hondas and Yamaha. They put a lot of miles (kilometers?) on their scooters and will pay a little more for a Honda, or Yamaha.
The Maddog bikes use the GY6 engine. That engine is modeled after an engine that Honda built. Maddog bikes are great if you can use tools. I have 106 miles on my Gen V Maddog. It's never broken down.
I noticed from watching video's that all the different makes of Chinese scooters and dual sport motorcycles seem to reuse many of the same parts like the engine. The engine used in Chinese scooters and motorcycles are clones or copies of past Japanese engine's. I doubt the Chinese are using the same quality metals used by the Japanese, but it probably doesn't matter since most owners won't put enough miles on them to see engine failure. I think owners need to have some mechanic skills to take care of the vehicle and replace parts that do break. There seems to be plenty of replacement parts available online even if you don't have a dealership near you. Many of problems mentioned in this video can be easily fixed, and I think some of the problems were caused by the owner.
The facts are they’re built with price in mind not quality. These parts fail over and over. If you leave a Chinese bike in a shed for 5 years all the rubber is shot, panels are brittle etc. it’s toast. Yet you can take a good brand and let it sit for 30 years and it’s fine. The motor itself isn’t terrible. It’s every piece of plastic and electronics surrounding it. Also the dealers stroke you on parts. For instance we had to buy a exhaust for an ice bear. Our dealer cost was $140....the whole scooter can be bought for $800.
I bought a cheap Chinese scooter, a Honda Grom clone, I spent 1300 bucks on it and the speedo stopped working with 13 miles on it and constantly registers at 2mph at all speeds. The turn signals stopped working the third time I took it out, the engine blew at what I'm assuming was about 150 miles in a residential area only going 25-30mph. The Piston, the arm, and the cam was blown to bits. Took it to the shop to get my year warranty bumper to bumper and they voided my warranty saying I tampered with the bike. ( All I did was check the oil filter and cleaned the shavings out that shouldn't have been there in the first place) I spent 400 dollars to replace the top end and when the parts came, it didn't even feel like there was motor parts in the box , the cheapest, weakest, thinnest, crappiest, lightweight aluminum possible. It all melted and I grenaded the engine once again. I've followed my owners manual 100% and the bike and the dealer I went to are a lost cause. I think they sabotaged my bike to get more money out of me. Not a happy person right now.
I'm on my 9th scooter my my fourth 150cc. Most of the things that's wrong with his bike is neglect. And you're right if you're going to own a scooter you might should learn how to tinker with some little odds and ends! Lot of vibration going on and things do get loose
I know this video is old, but come on if you buy something like a bike or skates you really should know or learn how to take care of the item, yes it’s a copy of a ruck but he knows nothing on how to take care of it lol,I have two Chinese scooters an 2011 150cc dong fang sunny with 6,000 miles on it and 2018 150cc ice bear Hawkeye with about 2,000 miles on it,and I do all the maintenance on them, and they still look great as the day I brought them home, I just got finished up grading the ice bear with an Taida 180cc big bore kit for more responsive speed when I need it, always do your research before you purchase cars bikes or anything in life for the matter of safety and no how to replace parts and figure out how to keep them in great condition these bikes are great bikes in the right hands.
He puts a lot of miles on this bike and now has switched over to a gy6 ruckus. It’s been far more reliable. The Chinese stuff is bottom of the barrel quality. There’s just no way around it. Get you what you pay for. Had this been a Honda or Yamaha it would have been in the shop a fraction of the percentage. If you understand that it’s lo quality that’s fine but don’t expect them to be reliable. We stopped servicing them here at the shop due to too many people having issues non stop and being blamed for it .
Lol you really sound crazy with that statement.to each to own I know for a fact with gy6 you can change out the China parts for Taiwan parts and you will have a way more reliable bike that's for sure.like I stated I have no problems with either bikes.you just have to know what your doing point blank.
Or you can buy a scooter like Kymco or Genuine Buddy from an authorized dealer, have regular service done and ride 100,000 miles with little or no issues. Pay a little more upfront and be happy.
Totally feel you on the idea of leaning how to take care of them. But the problems I'm starting to see are consistent and that's not a good thing. That's like saying "you shouldn't but a car unless you can fix any and every problem that ever happens to it." Sounds reasonable when you have the skill but a lot less so for most people.
I give the owner 0 stars. These are the people that keep scooter shops in business. Don't fix anything and wonder why it's broken. Get a circuit tester. A wire loom kit is less than $50 with all the switches. Notice how the shop guys laughed at this dude and offered to buy his bike.
Bo Dog This owner is a good buddy a customer of mine. He actually opted to make the video and he’s laughing about the whole thing. So I guess you should give the owner of the bike zero stars too as this was partially his idea
Dont worry kymco is considered a big name brand with scooters honda, genuine, aprilla, vespa kymco is considered among them (the same way as Hyundai was with other automakers a few years ago. Excellent bikes
Kymco, as well as TGB, are two of the world's top scooter companies for durable and reliable scooters. They are both also Taiwanese companies. They both make such excellent motors and bikes, that other companies, such as Vespa, Yamaha, and Suzuki, buy from them and put their own expensive names on the products...and then jack up the price to consumers. For good, wholesale prices, you can go straight to Kymco or TGB for a good, reliable, durable bike.
@@MicBergsma I still have it but thinking of selling it. I have a lot of hills in my area so 50cc is working out that great. Thinking of getting my MC license and buying a 250-400cc scooter. Im 6'2 so I dont fit on alot of scooters. Burgman 400 on top of my list.
Mech2Tech that’s cool, if you want to buy a burgman 400, buy 2007 and up, not 2006 or older... I have a 2007 since brand new... 60,000 miles on it and still love it 😄 I just realized I am on MicBergsma account... I have another channel called “Mitch’s Scooter Stuff” with a ton of scooter videos and I have so many how to videos on burgman 400 too 😄👍🏼
Like most Chinese machines quality control can be quite spotty. For sure some of the parts are cheap and will break, my rule of thumb, replace with Taiwanese parts (higher quality) as I go along. The Maddog wire harness (like most Chinese scooter harnesses) uses low quality under gauge wire, once the wiring is addressed, the gy6 engine and this frame are very reliable and very inexpensive and easy to work on. I’m a life long Honda fan and think these bikes are, once known issues addressed, excellent vehicles. th-cam.com/video/IWD7SjyIIRk/w-d-xo.html
@@Scooterswapshop I’m aware and I’m sure it’s not near the quality of a real one but regardless dope little scooter and the ruckus look just adds to the cool factor in my opinion goes to show not all Chinese scoots are bad
@Lazlo Lorintz Hey Lazlo I ended up getting a Amigo SS-150. Its made in the same factory as the Bintelli scooters. I love it so far. Ill be making a review soon.
I own a Chinese Bashan 150cc gy6 scooter and although like 10 things have broken or failed on me with regards to the body, the engine has been nothing but reliable. If you're a doit yourself type of guy you'll have no issues repairing little shit here and there in a Chinese scooter. I bought it for 200 bucks by the way.
@@Scooterswapshop I live here in NY, I don't see any $600 bikes here. Most are $1000 and up. You pay for what you get. You buy low price junk you get low price junk. That applies not only to the Chinese buy also Italian brands and American brands too. I've personally owned some really good scooters imported from China and had them for over a year still no issues. And yet I'm planning on buying another from Alibaba.
People buy them on amazon. They’re $600. If your a dealer Chinese bikes cost around $4-550. That’s my point. We service about 300 bikes a year we have a good idea of what’s built to last and what’s not. There are some decent bikes that come out of China. But we’re not talking about kymco and SYm etc. we’re talking about the cheap throw away Chinese bikes such as icebear tao tao etc. we see Honda’s come in that have been under tarps since the mid 80’s, and just need carb cleans fresh fuel and batteries. Cables aren’t ruined seized etc. a tao or icebear type would need tons of parts replaced if it sat for two years let alone 35 years.
@@Scooterswapshop If you're talking about those brands then yes my point still stands because a little research on Google shows that those are the most common cheap brands. And buying off of Amazon is a horrible idea. Another bad luck for those that don't know.
I bought a Chinese scooter new for $700 about 18 years ago. It's got 6700 miles on it and all I've had to replace was a speedometer cable, a seat and a air filter box. The forks started leaking a few years ago but I'm not mad.
The owner seems like a cool guy to chill with..
eric is a nice guy
4000 miles is an shit load on an china bike
yep and it shows it
I just picked up a Vespa clone from Znen used. 900 miles, fit and finish no different than the Piggio. 150cc runs great, added an performance exhaust now sounds great.
Owner of an Icebear here! (PMZ50-17 model). They are SUPER RELIABLE! It must come down to a defective part or two, or the overall design of the model in this video. I’ve clocked over 10,000 km on mine, twice what this guy has on his (4,913.5 km). Icebear scooters read in km, not miles. You’ll have to do the translation on your own when owning one of these. I clock about 24km a day on average (~62 miles a week). These are plenty reliable, have had it for over a year and a half now, only had to replace a spark plug (likely a defective one) and a carburetor once (likely from user error with some carburetor cleaner…) Back tire from a flat, but that’s not a part defect.
You got lucky! Some people do. The electronics fail, exhausts break etc, stator cdi etc
Sounds to me like just regular maintenance issues. With every scooter you have to do regular maintenance and always do regular checks on everything. It's not just buy a scooter and ride. You have to take care of them for them to continue to run good. That goes with any scooter you decide to buy named brand or not. Regular checks and maintenance is the key.
No they’re just built cheap. Cheap parts cheap craftsmanship. That’s why there’s Hondas running around from the 80’s on all oem parts that have been sitting in barns for 30 years yet leave a china bike outside for 2 years and it’s crumbling.
My two 50cc icebear rockets have been awesome, my girl and I Cruze around all the time, maybe the icecold is the cheap line, just maybe
He called it an icecool icebear lol. The chinese scooters are fine for the price you pay just keep up with maintenance and its a plus if you can work on it yourself.
china scooters aren't worth their price in scrap to be real
@@Scooterswapshop update, 7 months later, both my scooters are kicking ass man. I live in kona Hawaii, my girl and I ride em all the time,with no issues so far. To be fair,I'm a mechanic type, so I initially corrected the air flow suppressor issue to get em perfect after I got em new, I set the valve lash on both and done the preventative maintenance. I also see my same model bike all over kona all the time. Unless you've owned one ,2020 icebear 49cc, then I get you likely wouldn't know. I'm just speaking from experience with em, and I only paid $1200 each in Hawaii, which is a killer deal for fun little toys to do farmers market runs on.
Ive kept 2 TANK/Jonway gy6 149cc scooters for 10 years.
The plastic bodys & electrics are 1 year junk.
Pan them out in old toolbox metal & they last forever.
Upgrade the charging system to full DC wave & add a tomtom.
Everyone I know struggles keeping a car, not me...$400 I get a New engine & 80+ mpg. Maybe 1 every 5 years
You are the first person I have ever seen that said they ad a gy6 for 10 years.
I live part time in Thailand and very few Thais ride Chinese scooters.
90% plus of the scooters and low bone motorcycles are Hondas and Yamaha.
They put a lot of miles (kilometers?) on their scooters and will pay a little more for a Honda, or Yamaha.
Dude thats the old model they make an lot newer one and they changed the frame also
all junk
The Maddog bikes use the GY6 engine. That engine is modeled after an engine that Honda built. Maddog bikes are great if you can use tools. I have 106 miles on my Gen V Maddog. It's never broken down.
Yeah, because China doesn't invent anything
I noticed from watching video's that all the different makes of Chinese scooters and dual sport motorcycles seem to reuse many of the same parts like the engine. The engine used in Chinese scooters and motorcycles are clones or copies of past Japanese engine's. I doubt the Chinese are using the same quality metals used by the Japanese, but it probably doesn't matter since most owners won't put enough miles on them to see engine failure. I think owners need to have some mechanic skills to take care of the vehicle and replace parts that do break. There seems to be plenty of replacement parts available online even if you don't have a dealership near you. Many of problems mentioned in this video can be easily fixed, and I think some of the problems were caused by the owner.
The facts are they’re built with price in mind not quality. These parts fail over and over. If you leave a Chinese bike in a shed for 5 years all the rubber is shot, panels are brittle etc. it’s toast. Yet you can take a good brand and let it sit for 30 years and it’s fine. The motor itself isn’t terrible. It’s every piece of plastic and electronics surrounding it. Also the dealers stroke you on parts. For instance we had to buy a exhaust for an ice bear. Our dealer cost was $140....the whole scooter can be bought for $800.
I bought a cheap Chinese scooter, a Honda Grom clone, I spent 1300 bucks on it and the speedo stopped working with 13 miles on it and constantly registers at 2mph at all speeds. The turn signals stopped working the third time I took it out, the engine blew at what I'm assuming was about 150 miles in a residential area only going 25-30mph. The Piston, the arm, and the cam was blown to bits. Took it to the shop to get my year warranty bumper to bumper and they voided my warranty saying I tampered with the bike. ( All I did was check the oil filter and cleaned the shavings out that shouldn't have been there in the first place) I spent 400 dollars to replace the top end and when the parts came, it didn't even feel like there was motor parts in the box , the cheapest, weakest, thinnest, crappiest, lightweight aluminum possible. It all melted and I grenaded the engine once again. I've followed my owners manual 100% and the bike and the dealer I went to are a lost cause. I think they sabotaged my bike to get more money out of me. Not a happy person right now.
I'm on my 9th scooter my my fourth 150cc. Most of the things that's wrong with his bike is neglect. And you're right if you're going to own a scooter you might should learn how to tinker with some little odds and ends! Lot of vibration going on and things do get loose
I bought one with 900 miles n a bore kit still running strong only issue is battery box cracked n i cant find one in stock
how about now....
I know this video is old, but come on if you buy something like a bike or skates you really should know or learn how to take care of the item, yes it’s a copy of a ruck but he knows nothing on how to take care of it lol,I have two Chinese scooters an 2011 150cc dong fang sunny with 6,000 miles on it and 2018 150cc ice bear Hawkeye with about 2,000 miles on it,and I do all the maintenance on them, and they still look great as the day I brought them home, I just got finished up grading the ice bear with an Taida 180cc big bore kit for more responsive speed when I need it, always do your research before you purchase cars bikes or anything in life for the matter of safety and no how to replace parts and figure out how to keep them in great condition these bikes are great bikes in the right hands.
He puts a lot of miles on this bike and now has switched over to a gy6 ruckus. It’s been far more reliable. The Chinese stuff is bottom of the barrel quality. There’s just no way around it. Get you what you pay for. Had this been a Honda or Yamaha it would have been in the shop a fraction of the percentage. If you understand that it’s lo quality that’s fine but don’t expect them to be reliable. We stopped servicing them here at the shop due to too many people having issues non stop and being blamed for it .
Lol you really sound crazy with that statement.to each to own I know for a fact with gy6 you can change out the China parts for Taiwan parts and you will have a way more reliable bike that's for sure.like I stated I have no problems with either bikes.you just have to know what your doing point blank.
Or you can buy a scooter like Kymco or Genuine Buddy from an authorized dealer, have regular service done and ride 100,000 miles with little or no issues.
Pay a little more upfront and be happy.
@@CartoonForFood Taiwan parts are still gonna be way better.and you save money lol win win.
Totally feel you on the idea of leaning how to take care of them. But the problems I'm starting to see are consistent and that's not a good thing.
That's like saying "you shouldn't but a car unless you can fix any and every problem that ever happens to it." Sounds reasonable when you have the skill but a lot less so for most people.
5,000 miles sounds reliable to me.
not when everything breaks in that 5k miles
Yes. led lite it. His air scoop broke the shroud. Clean the starter Poor forks! Chinese scooters are not for non. Mechanics
I wouldve had him check his grounds. Sounds like wasnt good enough connection. So kept grounding out taillight.
The Honda brand is Japanese so it's just an Asian scooter.
chuck the chinese frame and keep the china engine, chuck the hondas engine and keep the hondas frame.
chuck them both and get a zuma! hahah
I give the owner 0 stars. These are the people that keep scooter shops in business. Don't fix anything and wonder why it's broken. Get a circuit tester. A wire loom kit is less than $50 with all the switches. Notice how the shop guys laughed at this dude and offered to buy his bike.
Bo Dog This owner is a good buddy a customer of mine. He actually opted to make the video and he’s laughing about the whole thing. So I guess you should give the owner of the bike zero stars too as this was partially his idea
I'm sorry. I meant the owner of the scooter. Not the shop .I should have been more specific. I thought the video was hella funny.
What do you thing of Kymco quality? I have 2006 Kymco Super 9 LC 2T and quality seems good. I'm pretty new scooters though. Thanks
Dont worry kymco is considered a big name brand with scooters honda, genuine, aprilla, vespa kymco is considered among them (the same way as Hyundai was with other automakers a few years ago. Excellent bikes
Kymco, as well as TGB, are two of the world's top scooter companies for durable and reliable scooters. They are both also Taiwanese companies. They both make such excellent motors and bikes, that other companies, such as Vespa, Yamaha, and Suzuki, buy from them and put their own expensive names on the products...and then jack up the price to consumers. For good, wholesale prices, you can go straight to Kymco or TGB for a good, reliable, durable bike.
Right on! I have Kymco super 9 LC too, year 2003, they are hard to find! Hope you still have it 😄🤙🏼
@@MicBergsma I still have it but thinking of selling it. I have a lot of hills in my area so 50cc is working out that great. Thinking of getting my MC license and buying a 250-400cc scooter. Im 6'2 so I dont fit on alot of scooters. Burgman 400 on top of my list.
Mech2Tech that’s cool, if you want to buy a burgman 400, buy 2007 and up, not 2006 or older... I have a 2007 since brand new... 60,000 miles on it and still love it 😄 I just realized I am on MicBergsma account... I have another channel called “Mitch’s Scooter Stuff” with a ton of scooter videos and I have so many how to videos on burgman 400 too 😄👍🏼
Close your eyes and hear Dave Chapelle at 1:00
ok
am i the only one who liked the bike more after they tried to make it sound bad?
possibly
Nope
Speedometer is useless just estimate speed he's right
yep
Like most Chinese machines quality control can be quite spotty. For sure some of the parts are cheap and will break, my rule of thumb, replace with Taiwanese parts (higher quality) as I go along. The Maddog wire harness (like most Chinese scooter harnesses) uses low quality under gauge wire, once the wiring is addressed, the gy6 engine and this frame are very reliable and very inexpensive and easy to work on. I’m a life long Honda fan and think these bikes are, once known issues addressed, excellent vehicles. th-cam.com/video/IWD7SjyIIRk/w-d-xo.html
cool
Thanks. You save people a lot of trouble.
we try
Gotta love that Honda ruckus vibe
only honda ruckus is a real one Mad dog is not
@@Scooterswapshop I’m aware and I’m sure it’s not near the quality of a real one but regardless dope little scooter and the ruckus look just adds to the cool factor in my opinion goes to show not all Chinese scoots are bad
Is that an orange Riva 180 in the back?
cant remember
That bike is maaaaaddddd wish I had one.
Why is it mad? It looks sad to me
more like Bad and you are glad you dont own one.
This guy is talking about my scooter while pointing at his own.
What scooter?
@@Scooterswapshop lol.....sounds as if he is describing my scoot. Same issues and incidents just about.
He's a very nice looking guy!
That model is a pos...I have a vision with no problems.
all Chinese scooters have the same issues
Respect
thanks
Is the ice bear rocket a good scooter to have let me know
ellis green ice bear is one of the lowest quality scooters On the market. China
Stay away from any china scooter, if your from US get yamaha smax, honda pcx 150 or suzuki burgman.
Is IceBear Hawkeye/Vision any better
@@Scooterswapshop what about Znen?
@Lazlo Lorintz Hey Lazlo I ended up getting a Amigo SS-150. Its made in the same factory as the Bintelli scooters. I love it so far. Ill be making a review soon.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Ice cold ice bear made me laugh...
Ice ice baby
lol
I own a Chinese Bashan 150cc gy6 scooter and although like 10 things have broken or failed on me with regards to the body, the engine has been nothing but reliable. If you're a doit yourself type of guy you'll have no issues repairing little shit here and there in a Chinese scooter. I bought it for 200 bucks by the way.
Chinese scooters aren't worth it even if its free....
I bought a cheap scooter with the et4 and love it around town
Chinese scooter are actually great, you sir just have bad luck.
I guess if that’s the case then all the locals bringing them in for electrical issues and whatnot all equally have bad luck.
It’s a fact a $600 China bike is make with low quality parts, cheap brittle components etc. that’s why they’re $600 brand new.
@@Scooterswapshop I live here in NY, I don't see any $600 bikes here. Most are $1000 and up.
You pay for what you get. You buy low price junk you get low price junk. That applies not only to the Chinese buy also Italian brands and American brands too. I've personally owned some really good scooters imported from China and had them for over a year still no issues. And yet I'm planning on buying another from Alibaba.
People buy them on amazon. They’re $600. If your a dealer Chinese bikes cost around $4-550. That’s my point. We service about 300 bikes a year we have a good idea of what’s built to last and what’s not. There are some decent bikes that come out of China. But we’re not talking about kymco and SYm etc. we’re talking about the cheap throw away Chinese bikes such as icebear tao tao etc. we see Honda’s come in that have been under tarps since the mid 80’s, and just need carb cleans fresh fuel and batteries. Cables aren’t ruined seized etc. a tao or icebear type would need tons of parts replaced if it sat for two years let alone 35 years.
@@Scooterswapshop If you're talking about those brands then yes my point still stands because a little research on Google shows that those are the most common cheap brands. And buying off of Amazon is a horrible idea. Another bad luck for those that don't know.
It's simple...get cheap chineese bikes, don't expect reliability 🤷♂️
You’d be surprised how many people think they’re just as good as Honda Yamaha etc.
He didn't maintain it and left it in the rain.
Paul Williams it’s actually a garaged bike.
Scooterswapshop I have a hyosung beaver scooter do u think they are ok
Hyosung isn’t as bad as the ice bear and no name stuff. But if your looking for longevity and quality Honda, Yamaha, piaggio, Vespa are the best
Scooterswapshop thanks
Looks like needs better repair shop
Nope just want to work on quality bikes not bikes that people don't want to do repairs on and waste everyones time.
Owner is high af lol
owner of the scooter?
@@Scooterswapshop yes. Lol. Indica for sure heh
be a man get a ruckus
INTERESTING STATEMENT
My 2013 50cc jonway was build better then this "icedog"
still not the greatest bikes in any way
Might as well get a Japanese bike lol
10000000%
That's the greatest thing about Japan, whether it's cars, trucks or bikes.
Japan *knows* how to build life long quality.
My mad dog is the Shit
take the word the out
The gas tank thing. This guy knows his shit like Joe Biden
ok......
🤣🤣🤣
thank you