JR was witty, charismatic and could be quite likeable if you were inside with him, but a scene like this reminds you what a wretched cruel man he could be. It's actually quite a difficult scene to watch. Arguably the last great season of Dallas.
@@thomasmcgorry2176 Yes, we all know J.R is not a good guy. Cliff is almost as bad. He's a smug, arrogant petty little man who will manipulate people including his own family just to get an unjustified revenge against the Ewings. That's why I never felt bad for him whenever J.R. shat on him
He made JR charming and surprisingly likeable much of the time. Despite all the evil things he did. Jim Bowie in real life was the same way. He did some truly horrible things. Womanizer, slave trader being just two examples. Yet, he was so charming that the very same people who hated what he did, usually spoke very fondly of the man himself.
and the dumbest question in the series " why would you do that?".....um, because both of you hate each others guys to the point of making a cobra and a mongoose look like best friends.
Nope best line was when JR told Cliff " You know the old saying poverty builds character" then says "Barnes you have become, the perfect failure" after wiping Cliff out
Part of the greatness of Larry Hagman was that he never lost sight of the fact that this was all a silly fantasy. He was a good enough actor to play J.R. with comic flair, without spoiling the melodrama.
"Tomorrow morning the janitor is gonna come in here and sweep you out with the rest of the trash, unless of course you do the honorably thing, get into the elevator get onto the roof and jump off " ouch 😂😂
"Why did you do that?" "Because you need slapping down, Cliff!" LMAO!!! Fact is, if Cliff would have done his own thing and leave the Ewings alone, he would have been fine but hate made him obsessed with beating JR. And going after JR is the equivalent of trying to beat the Devil when you're in Hell. Cliff's mother gave him his own company to run wit her money and he fucked that up. Just cause he wanted to end JR.
I agree. His obsession with JR. fucked up whatever success he had as well as his ability to hold as the great JR Being pointed out. Every one else in his family moved on because they knew taking on JR Ewing was no part time job. Pam hated JR, but she was smart enough to know that the great JR Ewing was not to be fucked with. One of the greatest character on TV. RIP Larry Hagman , RIP JR Ewing.
Yeah, Cliff shouldn't have kept poking JR when he didn't need to. Cliff had his own company he got from his mother and was a viable political candidate, he should've just left JR alone but he didn't so JR smacked him hard. Don't mess with the Devil if you don't have to do so, it won't end well for you.
Seeing good old J.R in action is pure entertainment! That man had a razor in his mouth and lord how he know to use it! He used other persons egos like the rest of us uses doormats!
JR is a boss!! Used to enjoy frequenting JR’s Roller Disco in Workington, Cumbria UK in the early 80’s. Dallas theme used to signal the end of the session!
@@rolltide9547 JR lost wayyyyyy more than he won. Plus his "wins" were temporary "wins." When Cliff beat JR here it lead to the ultimate win of him getting control of Ewing Oil
This was back during a time before Political Correctness infested all of America and Hollywood. Simply put, a TV show like "Dallas" was a product of its time. It could never exist today. The writing that made the show so incredibly iconic would never be allowed to air, today. A character like JR would be toned down to a pathetic degree.
“Because you needed slapping down Cliff!” And that he did after trying to use Sly as his spy into JR’s dealings. JR played that to perfection, getting Cliff to bankrupt his company!
One of the things that I love about this scene, is the J.R. is just giving it to him, but never mentions Sly. It would have been so easy for him to say something like, '...and trying to leverage my secretary against me.' He never does because he doesn't want any trouble to fall on Sly's brother, not that he has ever met the brother, but he knows how hurt Sly would have been. Sure J.R. has connections with judges and politicians, but he knew that Cliff could possibly find away to hold up those hearing forever. He never gambles with Sly.
Yep! Sly was the one person he could always trust and lean on. It pissed JR off even more that Cliff used her to get to him. And boy did he ever turn that around in his favor against Cliff!
It's easy to feel sorry for Cliff, always kicked by JR. But Cliff had his nasty side too. He blackmailed JR's secretary Sly, into becoming a mole inside Ewing Oil, by threatening to interfere with her brother's parole hearing. He also told Jaime Ewing that, as a woman, she had "no business being in the oil business".
I just poured a whisky neat, and a flashback of Cliff Barnes came in my head - and this is the first vid that came up when I searched Cliff Barnes ha...
Now let's be honest, we've had quite a few Presidents in real life who would have made JR look like an alter boy by comparison. (And no, I don't mean the current one.)
Cliff was sort of like Frank Burns on MASH; would get screwed over week in and out and in the process, he would elevate the opposing character instead of himself. And no one would thank him for it.
Years ago in the 90s I remember thinking I would love to see a big Dallas movie with the actors of the day, you know big Hollywood stars. And I was coming up with a few names. But then I realised it was simply impossible to do cause nobody will ever be as great at playing JR as Larry Hagman.
if I remember correctly after this scene Cliff drinks all night depressed wakes up at his office in his car and his secretary tells him the good news the oil came in before the deadline. meaning he beat JR. after all.
You think Dallas became a snooze fest after season 7? Are you kidding? The final seasons were terrific. Like the way Sue Ellen's character changed and got revenge on JR, among many other great storylines. Too many great ones to name.
your entitled to your opinion.....for me by season 14 the storyline was barely limping along and the season finale was a total let dwn...but if you enjoyed them i thnk thats great!!!
after this episode when cliff struck oil before the deadline imo was actually when cliff became more of a threat to jr it was probably jrs smartest setup but he got to cocky he should have waited till after the deadline imo
I remember when Larry hagman came over here to the UK around 1980, and he was greeted with a kind of mania so famous was he and the show! Dallas in its early years was awesome, and Larry hagman was sublime as JR.
Poor Cliff. I was re-watching the early seasons recently and Cliff is actually charming, black hair, great smile, a noble figure, comes off as a John/Robert Kennedy type a charismatic guy just wanting to do good things, like the anti-JR. The sort that walks into a room and people notice him and think he has a bright future. And you look at him there, he's a shell of a man, grey hair, talks in a unclassy manner, half drunk. He was dragged into a war that is eating him alive. Who knew that the guy from Season 1 would become that.
This took place when Dallas was still firing on all cylinders. Classic Dallas… very good! This is why America loved Dallas and loved JR Ewing! Thank you, Larry Hagman, and thank you, Leonard Katzman!
The fact that they had Cliff beat JR on this setup was the beginning of the end for Dallas. It was bad enough that they ALWAYS had Bobby get over on JR given how much more ruthless and experienced JR was but when they started letting Cliff beat JR as a businessman (remember his background was in the legal world not the business world) in the oil business everybody should have seen the handwriting on the wall. Nothing but nothing beat Dallas into the ground faster than having everybody and anybody outsmarting old JR.
If J.R. wouldn't have meddled with Cliff, Cliff would have went further in life than J.R......I believe Cliff was smarter, but have to love J.R.....Greatest character ever played by a great actor.....Nobody could have played J.R. better than the late Larry Hagman.....RIP.....
“Why, why did you do that?”
“Because you needed slapping down, Cliff”
Pure gold. Larry Hagman really was the driving force behind DALLAS
“The face of your other friendly banker”
😂😂😂😂😂
"Unless of course, you do the honorable thing. Get in the elevator, go up the roof, and jump off, huh?" That's cold.
Straight up gangsta
especially after cliff attempted suicide in season 5, J.R. is utterly ruthless
I love that line ...lol
What kills me with J.R. is that he does the coldest sheet and does it with a smile and a chuckle.
@@shonuffshowstopper Then has a bourbon and branch!
R.I.P.... One of Ken Kercheval's best acting scenes in Dallas
Great acting by cliff and j.r.ewing
Sadly, this was one of the last seasons Dallas felt like a serious show. After the dream season, it was all downhill.
❤️ j.r ewing & cliff barnes rivally& battles
@@drlee2 idallas ; got silly:: dallas tv miss jock ewing ;; too much fighting bobby ewing vs j.r ray ewing vs j.r ewing
So good, they used this scene as Ken Kercheval's introduction during the opening credits for a few seasons.
"I had a great assist from your massive ego and unbelievable stupidy" Great line. JR sure knows how to win with style.
And he also knew how to win while being a straight-up savage.
@@sportsfan5548 His set-up helped Cliff get the oil that he needed from that off shore deal.
@@justinturley7071 he and Vaughn gave him too much time on the loan
JR was witty, charismatic and could be quite likeable if you were inside with him, but a scene like this reminds you what a wretched cruel man he could be. It's actually quite a difficult scene to watch. Arguably the last great season of Dallas.
@@thomasmcgorry2176 Yes, we all know J.R is not a good guy. Cliff is almost as bad. He's a smug, arrogant petty little man who will manipulate people including his own family just to get an unjustified revenge against the Ewings. That's why I never felt bad for him whenever J.R. shat on him
Larry Hagman/J.R. Ewing! There will never be another.
ONE AND ONLY
I still love Larry hagman from I dream of Jeanne, he been on Dallas more than twice as long
KWebster king of the mean - Jr Ewing!
@@VolumedMusicMan young j.r Ewing was mean he mellow threw the years, Jeremy wendell was the king of mean, I glad j.r.ewing beat a few times
@@VolumedMusicMan that Jeremy wendel, he ruthless. Glad j.r.ewing & Bobby ewing put him 6 feet under ground
I love the way Larry Hagman made JR look like a choir boy while he's ripping someone apart.
He made JR charming and surprisingly likeable much of the time. Despite all the evil things he did. Jim Bowie in real life was the same way. He did some truly horrible things. Womanizer, slave trader being just two examples. Yet, he was so charming that the very same people who hated what he did, usually spoke very fondly of the man himself.
@@NGMonocrom I liked JR all the time
He was always polite when he destroyed someone
It's the way the writers made it be
Best line ever!!!
"Because Cliff you needed slapping down."
the tone and how he says it...bahahaha
and the dumbest question in the series " why would you do that?".....um, because both of you hate each others guys to the point of making a cobra and a mongoose look like best friends.
Nope best line was when JR told Cliff " You know the old saying poverty builds character" then says "Barnes you have become, the perfect failure" after wiping Cliff out
J.r ewing ❤️ whipping Cliff barnes butt
I love that line too 🤣🤣
Part of the greatness of Larry Hagman was that he never lost sight of the fact that this was all a silly fantasy. He was a good enough actor to play J.R. with comic flair, without spoiling the melodrama.
True,you chuckled but still took him seriously
Classic! One of the best Dallas scenes ever!!
One of the best scenes of the series.
J.r. ewing whip butt cliff barnes likej .r ewing own cliff barnes
I know of no other actor who could have played J R Ewing. Larry Hagman was perfect! R.I.P. J.R.
John Travolta might have been good. He nearly played him in a film version.
This NEVER got old.
Never!
❤ watching j.r, ewing battles & whip cliff barnes again& again
❤this dallas tv show bit part , must watch it least 100 time
"Because you needed slapping down...." Great line!
😂😂😂
both J.R. (Hagman) n Cliff (Kercheval) were great. I always liked when they go face 2 face n head 2 head
N this was the season they both started wearing handkerchiefs in their jackets
"Unless you do the honorable thing , take the elevator to the top and jump off." The man(J.R) has no mercy, just straight savage!
Millions in oil there
EPIC scene. Never forgot this one!!
Kinda sad. They are both going to be battling each other in the afterlife now. RIP to Ken and Larry.
Highly unlikely. Whilst JR called Cliff a nitwit and a termite, and Cliff called JR a viper and a SOAB, Larry and Ken were the best of pals.
JR was pure gold. Best non violent villain in tv history.. outstanding..his smile and laughs even when alone were legendary
The shit eating grin on Vaughn’s face is priceless! He was just sitting back, enjoying every minute of it! LOL
"C'mon Vaughn, I'll buy you a drink." JR rules.
Vaughn puts down a drink, on his way to getting another drink. These people went from scene to scene with drink in hand.
The Chuckle at the end is liquid Gold by JR!
"Tomorrow morning the janitor is gonna come in here and sweep you out with the rest of the trash, unless of course you do the honorably thing, get into the elevator get onto the roof and jump off " ouch 😂😂
Hagman and Kercheval must have loved acting off each other. You could feel the tension and hatred between JR and Cliff in scenes like this.
"Why did you do that?" "Because you need slapping down, Cliff!" LMAO!!! Fact is, if Cliff would have done his own thing and leave the Ewings alone, he would have been fine but hate made him obsessed with beating JR. And going after JR is the equivalent of trying to beat the Devil when you're in Hell. Cliff's mother gave him his own company to run wit her money and he fucked that up. Just cause he wanted to end JR.
I agree. His obsession with JR. fucked up whatever success he had as well as his ability to hold as the great JR Being pointed out. Every one else in his family moved on because they knew taking on JR Ewing was no part time job. Pam hated JR, but she was smart enough to know that the great JR Ewing was not to be fucked with. One of the greatest character on TV. RIP Larry Hagman , RIP JR Ewing.
Yeah, Cliff shouldn't have kept poking JR when he didn't need to. Cliff had his own company he got from his mother and was a viable political candidate, he should've just left JR alone but he didn't so JR smacked him hard.
Don't mess with the Devil if you don't have to do so, it won't end well for you.
Next time my friend asks me why I did that??...you need slappin down
Cliff had loads of really good opportunities to make a real success of himself, but his obsession with JR/Ewing Oil just got in the way.
In the immortal words of madame heap "you seek revenge, you take the consequences"
I love how painfully truthful JR can be sometimes 😂😂😂
two greats of tv jr & cliff barnes
Seeing good old J.R in action is pure entertainment! That man had a razor in his mouth and lord how he know to use it! He used other persons egos like the rest of us uses doormats!
Both J.R. and Cliff are still going at it in heaven.
J.r Ewing and cliff barnes live forever in media, TH-cam, cable,
heck*
❤️j.r ewing & cliff barnes rivally& battles
Last I check Cliff was in Prison For JR. Death
lol JR Ewing would not go to heaven
God I love J.R. Ewing. Straight savage
JR is a boss!! Used to enjoy frequenting JR’s Roller Disco in Workington, Cumbria UK in the early 80’s. Dallas theme used to signal the end of the session!
JR character is HILARIOUS when it comes to stomping on Cliff. hahaha
+Erik L W cliff track 340 does come in at the end of this eppy.. Funny how they brought back Vaughan Leland for the past 4 years.XD
+MrCraigblaze, because his obsession was beating the Ewings, everybody knows that, and he constantly failed.
Derek Mathews But...Angelica was his equal.. And we was a problem to JR when ever He teamed up with Jeremy Wendell.
He didn't fail here. The Ewings fucked with Cliff WAAYYYY more than he fucked with them, and that's a fact
@@reneep9972 Larry Hagman voted for Barack Obama. And was as liberal as they come. So fuck you and shut up.
I loved how the show brought back Dennis Patrick. Vaughn Leland twice between 1980-1984...XD
"tomorrow morning the janitor is going to com in and sweep you out with the rest of the trash...." LOL! JR. was too much!!!
No, it actually wasn't too much if you kept watching.... seeing as how JR lost, again, this battle.
@@stephaniee3814 if it were a football game JR overall won 56-14
@@rolltide9547 JR lost wayyyyyy more than he won. Plus his "wins" were temporary "wins." When Cliff beat JR here it lead to the ultimate win of him getting control of Ewing Oil
@@rolltide9547 zzzzzzzzzz
@@stephaniee3814 Jr got Ewing oil back
The trash line?????
I'm lost for words!!!!!
The most dejected degrading line in tv history
Credit to the writers
This was back during a time before Political Correctness infested all of America and Hollywood. Simply put, a TV show like "Dallas" was a product of its time. It could never exist today. The writing that made the show so incredibly iconic would never be allowed to air, today. A character like JR would be toned down to a pathetic degree.
I believe Larry improved a lot of those lines. Savage J.R! That man was my hero. RIP Larry Legend. 🙏🙏🙏
“Massive ego and unbelievable stupidly” - sums up Cliff perfectly.
I love how Vaughn finishes the drink Cliff gave him right before he walks out with J.R. 😂😂😂
because you needed slapping down cliff lol
Great acting by Larry Hagman. He has this kind blank soul less look in his eye.
Good ole Cliff... Great stuff & glad had to watch on a Sunday evening than the crap on nowadays.. Was quality from start to finish tbf
“Because you needed slapping down Cliff!”
And that he did after trying to use Sly as his spy into JR’s dealings. JR played that to perfection, getting Cliff to bankrupt his company!
Also, remember that Jr. Had already destroyed cliff 2 times earlier! This was almost the 3rd time, but cliff got lucky at the last second.
One of the things that I love about this scene, is the J.R. is just giving it to him, but never mentions Sly. It would have been so easy for him to say something like, '...and trying to leverage my secretary against me.' He never does because he doesn't want any trouble to fall on Sly's brother, not that he has ever met the brother, but he knows how hurt Sly would have been. Sure J.R. has connections with judges and politicians, but he knew that Cliff could possibly find away to hold up those hearing forever. He never gambles with Sly.
Yep! Sly was the one person he could always trust and lean on. It pissed JR off even more that Cliff used her to get to him. And boy did he ever turn that around in his favor against Cliff!
'You needed slapping down!' 😄😄😄
What a fun job in T.V., writing dialogue for J.R.!!
J.R. was the man!
@Giovanni I watch Dallas TV j.r.ewing everyday
J.r.ewing still is the man
Yeah an evil lowlife man!
2:32 those *Dallas* boys do a LOT of drinking, geeeeze! Vaughn's drinking and JR offers to buy him another!! 😆😆😆
Larry and Ken were actually good friends
I like this clip. Rip Ken Kerchavel. 🦅
TV history greatest comeback ever
It would not be fun unless cliff barnes won sometimes love j.r Ewing vs cliff barnes;
It's easy to feel sorry for Cliff, always kicked by JR. But Cliff had his nasty side too. He blackmailed JR's secretary Sly, into becoming a mole inside Ewing Oil, by threatening to interfere with her brother's parole hearing. He also told Jaime Ewing that, as a woman, she had "no business being in the oil business".
Cliff was a Dick Head through & through!
delavalmilker Sly was my crush as a kid.
Both JR and Cliff were misogynists.
I just poured a whisky neat, and a flashback of Cliff Barnes came in my head - and this is the first vid that came up when I searched Cliff Barnes ha...
+Derrick Jackson
JR didn't keep it there long.
I love this scene; Mr. Hagman and, Mr. Patrick are wonderful, with their interplay.
JR..JR...JR..!! JR should have been President!!
Now let's be honest, we've had quite a few Presidents in real life who would have made JR look like an alter boy by comparison. (And no, I don't mean the current one.)
@@NGMonocrom Trump is A LOT like JR Ewing... and it's why I love him! And because he beat that cunt in 2016.
All of you people keep on worshiping evil, and you can go to hell with them.
@@reneep9972 Love that comment
Trump 2020 🇺🇲
He is!!! His name is Donald Trump! :-)
Been lookin for this one.
1983-84 season love it...
Farewell cliff Barnes you are great Dallas is great and so was cliff Barnes the greatest character in nitetime soap history
Cliff was sort of like Frank Burns on MASH; would get screwed over week in and out and in the process, he would elevate the opposing character instead of himself. And no one would thank him for it.
even though he's a fictional character, I'll never forget the best life lesson my mom taught me.
"Never f*** with J.R. Ewing"
" I thought you wanted to see your other friendly banker." JR 😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀
Years ago in the 90s I remember thinking I would love to see a big Dallas movie with the actors of the day, you know big Hollywood stars. And I was coming up with a few names. But then I realised it was simply impossible to do cause nobody will ever be as great at playing JR as Larry Hagman.
JR is my Hero.
& I
[ no
Mine too!!
So you like failures... cool... i guess
Hero? Of losing battles he tries so desperately to win?
One of only times that JRs plan backfires because Cliff ended up striking oil.
I miss when Dallas was this good, it was never the same after season 8
Larry Hagman played the hell out of that role.
Yeah He Did 😀.
J.r ewing was on larry hagman death certiciate
if I remember correctly after this scene Cliff drinks all night depressed wakes up at his office in his car and his secretary tells him the good news the oil came in before the deadline. meaning he beat JR. after all.
+Astraldragon1 yea....this was the end of season 7......was all down hill after this.....became a total snooze fest....
Cliff had the last laugh.
+msmithstud your right Cliff''s oil well struck oil just before the deadline.
You think Dallas became a snooze fest after season 7? Are you kidding? The final seasons were terrific. Like the way Sue Ellen's character changed and got revenge on JR, among many other great storylines. Too many great ones to name.
your entitled to your opinion.....for me by season 14 the storyline was barely limping along and the season finale was a total let dwn...but if you enjoyed them i thnk thats great!!!
I used to feel sorry for ole Barnes. Another JR line: "OH, Barnes, you just keep getting dumber and dumber!"
Dennis Patrick was a great actor. !!!
Who is Dennis Patrick?
Really good as the Golden Man on Lost in Space.
eethe_one He played
Vaughan Leland here.
@@luerike Go back to sleep! 😴
Dennis Patrick, who was on just about every TV show in the 1960s thru the Early 1990s was killed in the California wildfire trying to save his home.
i rememver watching this at the time it was released rip JR and cliff barnes
nobody did it like JR
i love how Larry Hagman said he played JR. Going into the role he just knew that JR was the hero of the series!
Ken Kercheval was brilliant
Good 'ole JR...gotta love him!
after this episode when cliff struck oil before the deadline imo was actually when cliff became more of a threat to jr it was probably jrs smartest setup but he got to cocky he should have waited till after the deadline imo
I was so pissed off when this aired on CBS. I wanted J. R. to own it all.
@@SteveHolsten eww, you wanted JR to win that fight... hell no, JR deserved this loss.
-:Yes I wanted J.R. to win over that Asshole Cliff Barnes all the time!!!
@@SteveHolsten and soooooo awesome that he did NOT win over Cliff
JR Ewing for president in 2024!
I remember when Larry hagman came over here to the UK around 1980, and he was greeted with a kind of mania so famous was he and the show! Dallas in its early years was awesome, and Larry hagman was sublime as JR.
That JR was ruthless should be no shock he got shot.
Glad Vaughn got played by JR too after the Asian lease deal lol
Nobody does it better than ole JR - and no one can hold a candle to Larry Hagman’s portrayal of him - first class
None else tried to portray him... what a strange comment.
The way he talks to cliff is like he’s a child it’s just too funny
the master himself J.R. Ewing
Poor Cliff. I was re-watching the early seasons recently and Cliff is actually charming, black hair, great smile, a noble figure, comes off as a John/Robert Kennedy type a charismatic guy just wanting to do good things, like the anti-JR. The sort that walks into a room and people notice him and think he has a bright future. And you look at him there, he's a shell of a man, grey hair, talks in a unclassy manner, half drunk. He was dragged into a war that is eating him alive. Who knew that the guy from Season 1 would become that.
I just loved the constant drama between these two. Such mutual contempt!
classic line by the master in jr ewing "come on vaughn i'll by you a drink"
Tony Soprano: he kills the people that cross him.
JR Ewing: the people that cross him kill themselves.
No one can get charged for murder that way.
one of the best TV series
I like the way Cliff freezes when he hears JR's voice.
Cliff Barnes a Legend and l know how he feels about Loving a woman Sue Ellen who he can never have
The brilliant Larry Hagman. Superb as JR.
This took place when Dallas was still firing on all cylinders. Classic Dallas… very good! This is why America loved Dallas and loved JR Ewing! Thank you, Larry Hagman, and thank you, Leonard Katzman!
the ironic thing is Jr's "Fair setup" backfired because Cliff won this round when his oil well came in at the last second.
"Even a blind dog will find a bone every once in a while" - J.R Ewing
The fact that they had Cliff beat JR on this setup was the beginning of the end for Dallas. It was bad enough that they ALWAYS had Bobby get over on JR given how much more ruthless and experienced JR was but when they started letting Cliff beat JR as a businessman (remember his background was in the legal world not the business world) in the oil business everybody should have seen the handwriting on the wall. Nothing but nothing beat Dallas into the ground faster than having everybody and anybody outsmarting old JR.
Spot on!
Man I wanna watch all of these - but I cant find them on my cable.
Badass JR 😀
What fun these boys must have had filming this show, how they kept a straight face saying those lines!
Cliff actually won this round.
If J.R. wouldn't have meddled with Cliff, Cliff would have went further in life than J.R......I believe Cliff was smarter, but have to love J.R.....Greatest character ever played by a great actor.....Nobody could have played J.R. better than the late Larry Hagman.....RIP.....
Skol Vikings it was cliff who was trying to screw JR up.
Savage
I always liked Von.
Banker dude isn't so happy when JR takes him to the cleaners over the Asian oil well leases.
2:35 According to Phil Cool JR always walked like he'd plopped in his pants!
That smirk @1:47...Just cold! Like, "You just got TOOK!"
Start of tge end for dallas. Show wasnt the same after jr ran into hard times
Rip both of you.