Absolute Nightmare of a Steam Locomotive - Will it Run?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มี.ค. 2023
- A few months ago I purchased a huge lot of British steam locomotives form eBay. Among them was this homemade 4-4-2 New British rail Atlantic steam locomotive which I suspect up until now was being used as some sort of decoration.
Who ever assembled this locomotive decided to spray some paint directly into the motor and all over the wheels which caused the entire unit to seize. During it's track test the motor finally gave out and I was left looking for a new solution. Luckily a train show over the weekend just so happened to have a replacement motor.
Although this locomotive turned out to be a bit of a nightmare to work on, I am happy with the results as it wasn't likely it would ever run again. - บันเทิง
Great video as always. The loco looks like a white metal kit built using an adopted tri ang 4 4 0 chassis. I am not an OO gauge modeller, but I am pretty sure that tri ang never made a 4 4 2 chassis. It looks like it only picks up from one set of wheels, so you may want to improve on that.
Could be a Triang princess 4-6-2 chassis with the rear driver cut off? Not sure but that's what it appears like to me.
@@captaincool3329 Triang did produce a 4-4-0 loco in the form of the L1, so it’s likely the driven wheelset with custom bogies fitted to the front and back, alongside outside cylinders and valve gear being fitted
@SMT Mainline
SMT: "Oh shoot, lost a wheel..." Engine: "No problem! 'Tis but a scratch! I'll just keep going..."
Been watching you for a while now. It's refreshing to see someone give love and a bit of care to these old loco's, even imperfect as they are. So many people would just abandon them and leave them to the rubbish pile.
Keep doing what you're doing 👍
Thanks, I think cheap locomotives are a somewhat forgotten part of the hobby.
It's amazing how he can turn a piece of junk into a good runner...
I was dying when the wheel fell off
DONT SPOIL IT
Oh shoot we lost a wheel
It transformed from a 4-4-2 to a 4-4-1, many thought this was impossible until now lol
Now we have the true answer for Lionel's middle rail
LOL! Well, Edward lost a wheel once, so it shouldn't feel too bad.
As I watched you work on this, I really wanted you to do the full Monty on it. Strip the paint and completely overhaul and rebuild.
Good job getting it going!
Honestly I didn't really have an issue with the paint work, just the drive.
@@SMTMainline I think a single coat of spray varnish would equalise the paint. Satin maybe or gloss if you want to keep it that way. The decals might want to slide off if you wash the body so a drop of Johnson's Klear to each would cement them in place. An interesting loco and livery I don't know, special.
SMT - You should certainly now clean the rails on the main line! Your Volt-Ohm-Meter will be very useful. That square black pushbutton switch is to select different ranges of resistance, voltage, & current. The lower ohms range (Omega symbol) will be good for checking continuity, the higher kiloohms & megaohms ranges would be good for checking the resistors used in electronic circuits. The voltage and current will have different ranges, plus selecting AC or DC. You had to correct many errors that the original modeler did when they constructed the locomotive!
The track was cleaned recently so I don't think that was the issue. Can't wait to use the Volt-Ohm meter on other projects, it's gonna be a bit of a learning curve on how to use it correctly but it's already been useful.
Great motor the X04! You were really lucky to find what is clearly a brand new one in Canada!!
Loco really needs some buffers though!
In addition to a loose screw you have a lost wheel! Just funnin' with you. Keep the great videos coming.
It is very inspirational watching you make engines run again. Thanks!
Nice job once again bringing an HO locomotive back to life. 👍
Hi! Not ho, but oo size. Tomi
The loco is a British kite build, made by a company called south eastern fine cast. It's a model of a Scottish company called north british railway from the 1920s. The kit used parts of a early triang loco,all of the smaller wheels came with kit.
Thanks, you beat me to it.
Personally I’d strip it back, re fettle repair and repaint.
Do you know if the body is dimensionally accurate-ish?
Thanks for all the information, it wasn't clear who made all the parts for this (Other then the tri-ang drive as mentioned )
A GEM kit.
You can see one that was for sale by searching for :
GEM North British Railway Atlantic Class 1 ( LNER C9/C10 ) 4mm
My guess is the kit chassis did not work well so a bodge job using Triang model parts.
1910s*
Really nice restoration on it. It’s crazy that there was paint kinda all over the old motor.
Wow I'm amazed of the way you can work non working train's
I'm glad you got that North British Railway H class up and running again. I have some old Tri-Ang rolling stock and I can tell you the flanges on that stuff are much thicker and the rails sit higher than code 100. They were refined to code 100 standard around the late 60s/early 70s.
British model trains have been more kitbuilt longer than their American counterparts. In fact, some British model train manufactures still provide some rolling stock kits.
Hey SMT great video, and I want to thank you for getting me into the model railroading hobby. I’ve been watching your videos for about 2 years now, and it’s cool to see the progress on you layout from then to now, keep doing great work.
I got my first model train in 1958 and your videos bring back many good memories. You're a genius at resurrecting these old trains. Greetings from Brisbane Australia.
Great job Harrison - definitely one of top repair videos! We love watching them! Please continue to challenge yourself with the engine repairs. Thanks again for giving us great content!
Would suggest getting more Hornby/Tri-ang tracks to expand on the circle layout
It's an early seventies white metal GEM locomotive kit that has been assembled and painted badly.
If you search for Worthpoint GEM North British Railway Atlantic Class 1 ( LNER C9/C10 ) 4mm you should see a kit that was for sale with an illustration of the makers well assembled one and a description of the parts included or needed.
In the UK hundreds of different types of locomotives were only available as kits and so were produced mainly in the period of the mid fifties to eighties.
White Metal kits were cheap to tool up for a manufacturer but difficult to assemble well except for very skilled modellers.
I suspect this one had the original chassis ruined by the builder and so tried to use a working Triang 4-4-0 instead.
In the rare case where it is built and modified well to correct shortcomings in the design a very powerful and unique locomotive can result. On TH-cam Tony Wright often explains why he only uses these well built kits on his massive layout and so being able to pull scale length trains. However even he will not touch some old sub standard kits.
Hello! It was a pleasure to look at - great renovation! The British steam locomotive cannot be confused with something else. 👍
The doctor scores again!!!! Well done
There was no doubt in my mind that you would get it running again. Great job. From Texas
Pre-Triang brass rail Series 0 (1950), Triang Series 1 (1950 - 1951), Triang Series 2 (1952 - 1958), Triang Series 3 (1958 - 1961) & Triang Super 4 track systems are all Code 250 rail profile height.
Triang - Hornby System 6 track is Code 100 rail profile height.
More like code 125 with my series 2 track.
Nice job getting that one back to life. I got an interesting engine it's a battery powered Hot Wheels engine It works though I have no track or cars and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it but let it sit for now and at $4 I just couldn't pass it up especially being a Diecast Collector
Great video. Its nice to see restoration videos on things other than consoles and computers
Best explanation is that a child, or unskilled painter at least, got ahold of it one day and decided to 'improve' the look with fresh paint. Gads, the paint looks like it was slathered on like icing! Good job getting it to run at least.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Looks like my level of painting expertise :P
The locomotive is brown and considering the overall state the locomotive was in I think a good name for this locomotive would be the “Big Rolling Turd”.
Is this a R.V. Reference
Seems accurate considering the condition of the parts lol
Good lord…imagine how nice that would look stripped and repainted 😊
Now there's a OO with pizza cutters for you ! Nice job!
Nice NBR class H Reid Atlantic, later class C11 LNER. They worked out of Edinburgh and Aberdeen to Glasgow, Carlisle and Newcastle I believe. Nice job! Joachim
SMT Manual British OO/HO Hornby. But also mentioned in the "land of misfit locomotives section," lol Great save Harrison🚂🇨🇦🙋
This was a close one, everything was in such bad shape.
Great save👍
Well look at Mr fancy pants here with his voltmeter and motor rewinding 😂.
Seriously though Harrison I honestly don't think there's a broken locomotive short of someone taking the late great Gallagher's Sledgomatic to that you can't bring back from the brink.
If you don't have one, I highly recommend that you pick up a "Gear Puller." NWSL makes a nice one. Super useful for getting worm gears off of a drive shaft and also for pulling wheels off of axles.
Nice very nice all the way up to when the wheel fell off😂 Had your hands full on that one. 😅
Great video. If you ever have any unusable motors, metal, plastic, never throw it out. You can always mail off to us at The Eco Guys, and we can recycle it. We can recycle just about anything. So no more "throw it out" LOL... Love your videos, and made me come back to the hobby. Oh my other channel is John Wild KILLROY, so I have messaged you there as well...
All I can say is WOW!! Harrison the Magician!!!
Funny hearing the little footsteps🤣🤣🤣
If you can believe it everyone is trying to walk quietly lol
👍SMT, If you don't use bubblegum and twist ties on a repair, your not fixing it right. LOL! Congrats Harrison, you made it run so good the wheel fell off, it's just like brand new !🤣😂😅👍 People are a little strange painting the whole damn Loco including the motor, just to put it on a Mantel like a Trophy! 🤣🤣🤣Funny Episode I had a good laugh, thank's I needed that, Cheers! 👍
That's right, how else would it be legitimate? lol
This is an old white metal kit of a North British Railway Atlantic on a butchered Tri-ang chassis-possibly by someone like Keyser, who were very popular once upon a time. Tri-ang did make a 4-4-0, but the wheelbase on yours looks shorter, which makes me wonder if this actually uses the chassis out of the M7, with the 4-wheel bogie transposed to the front. The cylinders and rods look like they come off a Princess.
Horrible gloopy looking and slightly wonky kitbashes weren’t uncommon in the ‘60s- I’m not sure why, although there was less provision for modellers then. If stripped, cleaned, tidied and repainted though, it could be a presentable little model of a rather handsome prototype.
A GEM kit.
I found more info searching for :
GEM North British Railway Atlantic Class 1 ( LNER C9/C10 ) 4mm
A poor kit from fifty years ago and badly built.
This loco would have left the factory in an unbuilt condition, it looks to be a white metal kit on a modified Triang chassis, as Triang used injection moulded cellulose acetate plastic, then polystyrene, whereas kit manufacturers would make white metal bodies designed for existing chassis’s, often designing them for fitting on Triang drive systems. Triang never made any 4-4-2 Atlantic locos, so this is likely using the driven part of the 4-4-0 L1 chassis with custom bogies fitted, hope this helps you learn a little more about that model :)
Thanks for all the info, I was guessing it was custom built.
@@SMTMainline Did a little more research just now, the model looks to be a North British Railway H class 4-4-2, can’t find any info on old kits, so it’s either an extremely obscure kit or a heavily modified kitbash, which, based on the bogies and pistons, it’s likely the latter
What could be sweeter than restoring to running condition an abused junker loco with a flea market bargain.
Congrats on 80k!
Thanks!
that engine is an old 1958 tri ang princes Elizabeth loco that has been cut down to make it into the loco it is now, it was normal in the 50 60s to convert a triang prince's Into whatever you wanted it to be, every month the railway modeller would have an article in it, take one triang princes and a hakesaw,
Yeah congratulations on 80k man @smt mainline aka Harrison.
Nice work 🙂
Thank you! Cheers!
I love these kinds of videos!
An almost hopeless case of locomotive neglect and it’s runs AGAIN!!
Well, sort of, kinda…
More like wobbles again…😅
Thanks, I love working on these things.
nice work for a c60,s white metal kit on a proprietry chassis, the paint job,(obviously hand painted) is on par for handmade models othe 50/60's era..nice work getting it running again :)
great video
I'm amazed how you can fix a not working train
Thanks
nice work. Strange locomotive though!
Thank you very much!
good job , thx for resumen 👍
Over 80K subscribers!! Incredible! Will your next video be repairing the old Triang loco you ripped that motor out of? Lol. “Welllll folks, in today’s video, I’m going to try and fix this motor less Triang loco which I bought second hand. All I need is a …. motor.”
“Well, it’s a been a week and low and behold I found an old Triang loco on eBay. So I’ll just take the motor from this one and..”
Repeat script. 😉
Great job as always. I love how you fired up the torch with zero explanation. Why not eh?
Uh oh, I’ve been caught! time to throw away the evidence of the trashed locomotive now haha
SIR, SIR! WE HAVE AN ENGINE THAT NEEDS HELP RIGHT NOW! IT HAS NO ENGINE, NO WHEELS, NO CHASY AND ECT, ONLY THE BOILER AND THE TENDER! Can you fiz it? 5 hours later: SMT comes back with a totally new engine like if it was just out of the box. SMT can fix ANYTHING!
When the wheel fell off it got me good 🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Just one thing, NBR stands for "North British Railway", which was based in Scotland. :)
i couldn’t comment last night but now i can, i got excited when i saw this video last night.
Awesomeness!!!
Thanks!!
Serenity! You have a runner! W Rusty Lane K9POW in eastern Tennessee
paint on the wheels and motor... now that is something new.
Idk why but on the first test run when you took the tender off it seemed a bit aggressive, like you were mad at it or something lol.
The class of engine is a Robinson H1 built in the 1910s to 1920s on the gnr they were all scraped in 1950 to 1960
I think what this is is a locomotive kit that was made when triang was still in its early days, looks like someone rewheeled it (Romford?) And is just using a cut down princess chassis
According to Peter Reed the shell was made by south eastern fine cast.
Can you do a decoder install video on an old Bachmann steam engine?
Muy bien 👍👏😌
Its finally happened! Yay!
Please what is that small hand held screw diver with the bits in the handle please... Great job restoring your locomotive Awesome...
The locomotive looks like a GEM product or George E Mellor product , SMT .
A Reid Atlantic from the Highland Railway (pre-1923 Grouping of railways).
That was good but it's Nice shot
nice
I think it’s a H1 class
It's a LNER C10 Aka C11 (North British Railway I Aka H Class)
This is the only LNER C10 Aka C11 (North British Railways I Aka H Class) on your channel a it's the Rarest one
That thing isn't painted, its glazed like a cake.
It’s kinda bad sadly although I could have hard time custom painted a locomotive right. Which I still need to work on it.
From tree ornament to rail riding 😮
I went on a train yesterday and it was so much fun 🎉
Yesterday 4/8/2023
I think the comment about the loco being dropped may not be too far off. The cab looks to bent downward in the back of the locomotive. This may be more damage than just the front of the locomotive. Hopefully, nothing else was damaged too much such as the frame.
Hello smt mainline love your videos and also can you get a cfr train?
If not it is okay bye!
Did he get to fix the wheel back on at the end of the video?
How did they paint that thing - dip it in a tin of house paint?
My bet is that this kit was built by a child or teenager, that only had a basic understanding of kit building, the paint of the motor looks like it was transfer from when the kit was originally painted. All of the other details, such as the painted wheels tells me that the kit was painted when it was fully assembled, which as any model builder will tell you is a big mistake, for the reasons shown in this video. I would also guess that when the model failed to run due to the obvious, the builder just gave up on it.
There they didn't know or didn't care how it turned out.
lovley engine, unfortunate it is a nightmeare (both looking and mechanically 😬)
very early triang/hornby seeing as a cast body also very early hornby coupling (1960s) , it would have been in great western green livery (GWR) not brown thats a calidonian rail livery , hope this helps ....
you need a puller to take offworm gears
Smt can you do a video of showing all your british train?
When he tried to run it with the tender then he got fed up and just threw it.
Hi Harrison, it's a Triang x04 motor. Carl.
Yep, that's what I found at the train show.
It's cool u can fix trains better then me cause I struggle to much with mine. But I do try my best to fix my trains. But I do love it trains and enthusiasm
I did and still do as well. No one begins as an expert lol
@@SMTMainline yeah ik. But still u manage to get them running. I envy u
I thought you threw that thing away 🤣
I was about ready to towards the end haha
You need a remagnetiser for the magnet.
@9:19... what tool u used to clean up wheels?
It’s a peco track cleaner
Mainline,I have a question HOW DO YOU AFFORD THIS
Would be gool if one of those used solinoids instead of a motor.
Lost a wheel...that can't be good 😀
Great 🎉🎉🎉😅
Hi smt I have a Chattanooga locomotive 0-8-0 it needs a lot of work it works but it needs tires and a smokebox store and some side rod parts I wish to get it working again I am new in the hobby
Dat wheel just gave up
THEY FORGOT TO TAKE OFF THE SHELL
You should buy prewar lionel train rough ones restore them
haha that thing has a lean to it's funny nice to see it run oh wheel haha still funny
I don't trust the positioning of the connection side rods. The steam chest (pistons) look weird, as if it is upside down, but I can't find a picture of that locomotive yet so I can't be sure.
Something does look a bit strange about it, like the rods are a bit too low.
@@SMTMainline
I strongly suspect that the pistons are upside down. Is it a Tri-Ang or a Hornby? In any case here is a picture of what I suspect is the prototype for the model:
tinyurl.com/2x3ndbnw
Notice that the guide rails for the rods on the pistons are *above* the drive wheels centerline, not below it and they are right under the running board. So I suspect strongly-but not prepared to swear it in court-that the steam chest is upside down.
@@arrow1414 I think it's a tri-ang however the shell was made by someone else.
@@SMTMainline
Okay a Frankenstein Loco😉
Anyway I don't know what happened before but here is the prototype of the loco I was talking about before:
www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/35161596442
Btw I e mailed you recently about a video you maybe interested in.
TryAng 030 s are a nightmare
Bro yeet the tender