Let's Talk About Atypical... *i was shocked*
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Hey Rummates, today we're looking at Atypical season 4! I binged all 4 seasons in one sitting so we have a lot to discuss.. let's talk about it!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:34 Surfshark Sponsorship
2:13 Atypical Shocked Me
3:11 How to Do High School to College Well
3:55 Let's Talk About Sam
5:08 Is This Really ASD Representation?
7:27 My Love For Casey
10:37 Character Analysis
16:02 Some Not So Favorite Parts
18:03 The Finale
19:56 Final Thoughts & Outro
#imuRgency #atypical #atypicalseason4
If you're reading this comment your favorite moment in the show!
what i like about casey is how she always treats sam like any other sibling like she messes with him, bugs him, and annoys him. like sometimes ppl treated sam differently but casey always treats him like anyone else but at the same time she’s very protective of him
I know i love it
I feel like most siblings do that regardless of their condition because they’ve grown up with them
I like casey but some things they do to bother sam really irritates me. it would make me very stressed and upset if they did it to me and sometimes feels like theyre not respecting his boundaries. i don't like when people touch or move my things from how i have them organised. would make me very very upset. also if casey knows it stresses him out a lot why continue. im not diagnosed with anything, like Sam is but I do see similarities between us. Still love casey tho and that they have a close bond. don't have a sibling so I don't understand sibling relationships that much lol. some of them are just annoying him but some of them really stress him out and upsets him it seems.
They go by they/them pronouns
@@imanithomas7488 no. casey does not i am talking about casey, bridgette lundy-paine uses they/them casey uses she/her
I also like how they kept Evan around in the show because usually shows just stop showing the ex of a main character.
Yes I liked that
Except for Arrow because every female character is an ex lmao
Yeah I love the Evan character.. but the director sucks the story...
Evan is a top 3 character for sure
I was upset that Casey didn't go the poly route. She clearly loves both of them, and she plays more bi than full lesbian. I think Evan would have been cool with sharing Casey rather than lose her entirely.
I don’t think people talk enough about Sam and Paige’s break up in the finale. They were a flawed couple for sure, especially in the last season, but the way they ended things was so mature and it really showed how much they had both grown since they started dating. It made me feel a lot better about it.
YES ! ! ! their break up hit me so hard, both had their flaws but i feel like they complemented each other very well. it was so mature and so well done and i cried so much at that one bit
Zahid is so underrated. He’s genuinely such a good friend and I feel like we all need a friend like Zahid. I hate the plot line of him picking his relationship over sam though and i feel like it had to do with more they just needed a plot line and did that
You can be a zahid for someone.
@@tea7301 Who says I’m not already?
@@biancadesousa well i hope you are🤍
I KNOW RIGHT HHHH
i love zahid, my all time favorite character i want to find myself a friend like zahid
i love the fact izzie actually apologised to casey for the way she'd been acting, its very rare we actually get to see closure in relationships on screen - normally they just kiss and then everything's fine
yes!!!!
I whish casey had been more apologetic as well, she really wasn’t very attentive to izzie’s discomfort around her mom
Sam in Season 1: "I'll never be able to actually go to Antarctica."
Sam in Season 4: "I'm ready to go to Antarctica now."
Talk about a major character development! 🐧
GROWTH !
This show is so amazing in so many ways I love it
As someone who was diagnosed with autism at 23, I’m very hesitant of watching shows about autism because I know it won’t be representative of me, but I actually liked it, mostly because it focused on sams family members as well (casey is the best). I also thought the ending was weird, it just didn’t make sense and felt way too abrupt.
It never bothered me that the actor playing sam wasn’t autistic, but for some reason the characters played by autistic actors felt more real to me (they were a bit more like the autistic people I’ve met). I really would have liked it if the show would have gone into their stories and struggles more, but I get that that would make the narrative a little messy.
i agree that the ending was weird, and they definitely should have focused on the other autistic characters
Then you might want to give the show Everything’s Going to be Ok, it’s a bit similar to Atypical int that it is a slice of life but it’s about a guy becoming the legal guardian of his two half sisters one of whom is autistic and played by an autistic actress.
Same!
@@islasullivan3463 YES OMG I LOVE THAT SHOW SM
I was so confused by the Antarctica thing like ????? it switched from reality to another dimension real quick
As much as I love Casey's character I hated how her and Evan's relationship ended. I mean she saw firsthand the effect her moms affair had on her parents relationship and did the same thing to Evan, I understand that she was confused but it still really ticked me off. Evan was so sweet, he deserved so much better.
I agree Evan didn’t deserve it, but it just goes to show that sometimes people who do terrible things aren’t 100% terrible. Casey was young and unsure of herself, meanwhile Elsa was in a rough spot in her life and in her marriage. It doesn’t excuse the actions, but they’re still redeemable humans. I’ve personally tried to stay more open minded about this subject. I do think there’s a difference between those who revel in their unfaithfulness (serial cheaters, the whole “side chick” phenomenon) and those who make a huge and painful mistake but learn the error of their ways and truly feel remorse. Just my two cents!! I loved Evan as a character and I wanted this show to continue so freakin bad
I agree Evan deserved better but the difference between what Elsa did vs Casey is quite big. Casey kissed Izzie once then immediately when to try and talk to Evan and ask her dad what way he would’ve liked to find out about Elsa cheating on him because she knew it was wrong. Casey also told Izzie she didn’t know what they were yet until she talked to Evan, Elsa went back to the dude she was seeing multiple times
I feel like it was accurate for high school relationships. Casey is a teenager trying to figure things out and relationships aren't always going to end in a smooth and fair way for everyone involved. But I do understand where you are coming from and I'm glad we got to continue to see Evan in the next season.
yep, and the cheating bi trope annoyed me
No hate but casey cant help who she likes and i mean that was probably the most confusing time in her life so it was really hard for casey to ?!
i’ve always loved how casey treats sam like he doesn’t have autism( compared to other characters) and casey always protects him when people say/do something. and also i like how doug and sam progressively got closer and understands sam, and also😂i hate elsa because of the cheating thing and she really didn’t believe that sam could do things( i kinda didn’t hate her fully at the end tho) and STAN ZAHID AND CASEY
i think the best thing is how she doesn’t even just ignore his autism, she adapts their conversations and times together without babying him or changing from how she speaks with others.
YESSS I just started watching and totally agree
Honestly, Atypical deserved better. It got cancelled, and Netflix basically said "here, have a season 4 to cap things off" but Atypical had set up for so much more. This meant that season 4 had to cut a bunch of corners and was overall rushed. The plot wasn't able to develop as naturally, nor were the characters. Some characters had arcs cut short, some characters were cut entirely. The music also used to be a highlight for me but with s4 it was really lacking and often didn't serve its purpose to elevate the emotional weight of scenes. The conflicts in s4 were really just pointless and repetitive because there was no time to flesh out any real conflict and have it finish well in the season. S4 also felt very disorganized, particularly at the beginning, where it felt like a handful of sketches stitched together into episodes, with little to tie them together. They also dropped the whole concept of Sam's hyperfixation on Antarctica impacting the way he interacts with the world, where there would be an a theme for an episode represented by some Antarctica fact that served as a metaphor for the conflict within an episode. With this, they also dropped Julia's character completely (due to covid, so there was little to be done about it, but still unfortunate.) Overall, Atypical's ending and the show as a whole could have been a lot better if they hadn't been forced into a rushed ending, and if the show had been given proper time to unfold the whole plot and character developments.
Yes I agree completely! Sucks about Julia, she was only there once. One more season to fully flesh things out would have been so amazing.
CORRY
@@bearcat2183 LEE
I do really appreciate the fact that the show showcases a couple fighting for a broken marriage. It’s so easy for people to file for divorce if they see their marriage is broken. But I love that Elsa and Doug fight to save their marriage for themselves and also for their family. It really shows that love and loyalty to a person are not just feelings, but choices too.
Omg yes. Seeing this comment is so refreshing. Marriage is so hard!! There’s beauty in learning to rebuild and repair a relationship rather than letting it burn.
Honestly one of thee best shows
I loved Paige, and I liked the storyline of her transition from high school to college. Its shows how we assume that just coz you were a great student and valedictorian, things will turn out perfect, I literally cried when she broke down in the potato suit because she had hoped that at that stage in her life, she would be somewhere great
I didnt like that Caseys best friend who happens to be black only shows up when Caseys in need, she was the stereotypical black friend, that we know nothing about, just present for her white friend
i forgot she even existed when she showed up in s4 i was so cinfused who she was
I almost cryed when it turned out she was gettimg bullied in college and she was the burrito girl😭
Paige is so incredebly underated
what are your other two favorite shows ?
@@roshniiyer2794 two is so limiting but I looooove Sex Ed and Young Royals
i didn’t really like elsa as a person but i liked her character because i think it showed how mom’s have to basically give up their personalities and lives to be a mom. she definitely does ent understand boundaries but i think it’s just that she doesn’t really know who she is without being a mom and how she has to start figuring that out cause her kids are growing up.
Justice for Evan. The show did him dirty and he didn't deserve it.
Say it again
Say it againnnn!!!
EXACTLY AAH i loved him and casey together 😭he deserves better
Just because he didn't end up with Casey doesn't mean they did him dirty. I liked thath they kept him as a part of the cast and we could see him still growing after the break up.
@@itzelarredondo4569 I didn't necessarily want him with Casey, but after she cheated on him and broke up with him he just got sidelined. He was my favorite character in the show and even though I don't hold it against Casey (I love her too), I wish he got more than a few scenes in season 4 to show he still exists. Imo it would have been nice if he got some kind of character arc or closure
I thought the finale had to do with the fact that on the penultimate episode the way in which Sam could accomplish his goals (the school program) was cancelled because no one else wanted to do it. So he thought, I just can't do it. Then what ends up happening is the people around him help him realize that he doesn't need anyone else to do the things he wants to do, he can just do them. Which is a really big realization for any new adult, but especially important for someone who has grown up fearing they may never be fully independent because of who they are.
Throughout the season he proved he knew what is needed to physically get to Antarctica, he understands that he has a brief window before it's night time for months. In terms of knowledge, he is better prepared for a trip to Antarctica than most people so he spends the entire season physically preparing for the trip. Bracing himself for the physical toll, raising money, etc. His family does well enough financially that it seems he can afford the trip and his father, who also has significant growth, realizes that he needs to finally use the years worth of vacation days he's saved up and experience something magical with his son. He's never dreamed that big but his son has been dreaming of this his whole life and is fearless enough to make it happen. He also realizes he hasn't spent nearly enough time with him and he should really start.
The dynamics of the family are forced to change and it's like all the seasons prepared them for where they are now.
I’m on the autism spectrum and I love this show :) Very accurate and respectful depiction, the fact that Keir isn’t on the spectrum never bothered me .
me too! im also bipolar, id have no problem with someone who isn't bipolar playing someone who is? like its a nonissue to me.
@@madelynbrents1445 I think it depends on said person’s acting ability, whether they’ve done the research and also if they are being respectful. Sheldon Cooper is an awful depiction of someone with Asperger’s and always makes me cringe 😐
@@raindropsonroses3919 i agree, but apparently the writers didn’t use asperger’s as a basis for the character and that he’s not on the spectrum
The writer’s claim that but he is very clearly coded that way, even that wasn’t the writers original intention they were made aware of that his behavior was at least very similar to people on the spectrum.
i disagree !! i think it isn’t that good of a depiction and the show would’ve really benefited from an actor that’s actually autistic. if you look at the show "heartbreak high", i think that’s a way better representation. and i also think it’s really disappointing that in 2017 we still didn’t get a show about an autistic person who’s not white and not a man (i’m not saying that hasn’t happened before but this a show where the main story is about an autistic person). there was also a lot of misinformation + this show supports autism speaks
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CASEY AND IZZIE DUE TO RACE i was literally so annoyed when the show kept dancing around it
Maybe I didn’t pay that much attention to it but did they say Izzie is biracial or a poc bc I definitely thought she was white too.
@@righteousroses I mean it’s pretty obvious that she’s at least Asian… I don’t see how she can come across as white. I know the actress is half Asian and then about a quarter Native American, I don’t think that was ever addressed in the show but how did you think she was white ?
@@marie-eve822 that’s just what I thought. It wasn’t obvious to me.
Oh shit, I assumed she was native american with Mexican heritage, just cause she looked like Angela Nicole Johnson and a bunch of my friends growing up on the rez. Definitely never thought she was white though, unless one white parent.
I absolutely did not feel like Casey and Izzy were at all healthy together and was massively disappointed with their relationship and that they ended up together
as an autistic person i couldn’t care less if someone who is representing autism realistically doesn’t actually have autism, i really liked the actor who played sam and thought he did really well with the role.
Thankyou! Like he ain’t even notice that! It’s like people gotta find a problem with something all the time. It’s acting
Also typecasting
The way zahid was the straightest character and played by a gay actor was funny to me
I think what happened was they got backlash because the main actor is not actually on the spectrum, so in further seasons they casted autistic people as Sam's college friends.
Yess omggg so many people give me shit for not watching sitcom-y shows. As if I’m gonna spend three months watching 22 seasons with little to no character devpt no thanku
EXACTLY
Schitts creek is one of the few sitcoms I've watched that has a lot of character development. I highly recommend it
I like some sitcoms but shows like modern family is not my thing I was so bored
idk i think the ending wrapped up things really nicely for the most part bc the series starts out with a disconnect between casey and elsa and sam and doug, and it ends with each pair together!
Tbh I feel like the finale problem comes mostly from Netflix being a little bitch and cancelling the show which was originally planned to have 5 seasons. So instead of having 2 full seasons, the creators had to pack everyone's arch somehow in just one. That's most likely why they chose to focus mainly on Sam's arch development, as he is the main character, and just tried to kinda conclude other's stories in the screen time that was left.
I really loved atypical. my twin brother is on the spectrum and I really related to casey and empathized with sam. It just felt really real
i understand that casey was just being herself when she kissed izzie on the track, but she did evan wrong. Also i wish evan was a bigger part in season 4
Evan is my favorite character and I definitely missed him this last season :(
One thing that bothered me a bit was that the show kind of abandoned Casey's best friend from her old school. She had so little screen time, I almost forgot about her in the last seasons and adding the fact that she's a black character makes it worse. I liked the show, but it was lacking diversity a bit. We should've seen Casey and her hang out more often, because it didn't really seem like they were best friends to me.
same! and then they just acted like they were still best friends in the last ep., it was kind of jarring. They could have at least shown her a few times in between. I honestly totally forgot about her and it took me a while to remember who she was when she showed up in the scene where Casey didn't want to talk and eat. They really did her dirty and the fact that she is a black girl makes it especially terrible
@@tatjana5427 ikr!!?? That kinda bugged me.
I love atypical so much for the portrayal of the Gardeners' family dynamic. It's so imperfect and horrible at times, but realistic. Casey and Elsa's relationship is very relatable to me especially.
as an autistic person, the first season was...bad in terms of representation for autistic people and were more nt people's perspective on what nd people were like, but the other seasons were MAJOR steps up.
Zahid was done so wrong as a character, I hated them throwing him into the girl drama more than once as well as him choosing her over Sam. He was a true friend to Sam throughout the show and that just felt out of character. He was definitely one of my top 2 favorite characters on the show.
I also recently finished Trinkets and think it would be great to hear your take on it if you haven't seen it yet. Ive been binge watching your discussion videos for the past week
When regarding the character of sam and his and his support group who are actually on the spectrum I believe they introduced his support because people were upset about actor portraying Sam wasn’t actually autistic
the actor that plays Casey is actually nonbinary, which means soooo much to me and makes me love Casey so so so much more!
I really love how the show expresses true consequences for their actions, like how Sam ruined his relationship with Julia and it genuinely affected the story, and all the stories gently affect each other
We definitely need a Cazzie spinoff show. They arguably have the best relationship in the show, rivaled only by Sam and Paige! 💘😻
Am I the only one who HATE Cazzie?
@@bengbeng8407 no. You're not.
@@bengbeng8407 why tho im genuinely curious lol
@@bengbeng8407 Me too. They're constantly dysfunctional, and they don't know how to talk through their issues. If it isn't one thing with them, it's the next.
@@sanjivaniebhalla3760 They're constantly dysfunctional, and they don't know how to talk through their issues. If it isn't one thing with them, it's the next.
I loved atypical one of my favorite shows but I completely agree on how the rep is not great. So if you wanted to find a really good representation of people on the spectrum and queer rep I would totally recommend "everything is going to be okay" on Freeform and Hulu created by a queer man who is on the spectrum of autism and hired actors on the spectrum. love your vids 💗
I think it makes sense that he decided to go on his own. Like ideally he would go on a program but the second best option would be to just go on his own, which I think signified that he became a more confident person.
He didn't realize this was an option for him until he realized that he needed to just go after what he wanted even when things don't work out as planned!
I didn’t liked Izzie, I thought she was too passive-aggressive toward Cassie. I felted bad for Cassie, I wished she had a better romantic partner.
Yes, she would be irate with Cassie, but she would never fully address it. The issue would build, then she would explode at Cassie. That was not a healthy dynamic to me.
Yes and that whole thing with Izzie's boyfriend kissing Cassie and Izzie taking his side and basically dumping her as a friend in season 1(?) ugh boiled my blood, I disliked her from then on cuz I can really hold a grudge
@@commentarychannelenthusias2740 I honestly think I would have believed Izzie's boyfriend (Nate) as well just because she knew him longer and as far as she was concerned, Casey was just the new girl at Clayton who was "flirting" with her boyfriend. Izzie did own up to her mistake and Casey forgave her so I do too.
She and evan were so much better together :(
It felt as if she was manipulating her too
I love Atypical as a whole but I do agree that it could have been even more amazing if the actor who played Sam was really on the Spectrum. The actor who played Sam did a great job but I would have been on another level if he had actually been on the Spectrum
One reason why the series doesn’t feel like everyone’s arcs were completed is because the writer (Robia Rashid) had it planned out to be five seasons long but Netflix wanted to stop it after the fourth season. I think if they had the fifth season they had planned it would have been so much better. Seeing Casey and Izzie in college and Sam after going to Antarctica would have been fun
I think that's the problem with representation, this need to fill EVERY ROLE with someone of that group. I think representation is best served as content, not just people, if that makes sense. But you said it yourself, it's acting. Part of acting is learning and absorbing or even accepting a different perspective, life-style, or adopting challenges and then expressing it. It's acting and that's what actors do. Hell, that's the human experience - learning and understanding perspective - be it our own or beyond that. There are plenty of roles (not just in Atypical) that are filled with actors that have challenges associated to the characters they are playing, but it doesn't need to be that way all of the time. If you want something to compare/contrast with when it comes to representation done right/wrong: Compare Atypical to Music. Oof.
But then that's not representation and to say the problem with representation is "this need to fill EVERY ROLE with someone of that group" is frankly idiotic. The problem is that the main character was not played by someone on the spectrum while others were. Your "problem" with representation is idiotic because there are actors to play those roles and more importantly writers to tell their stories. Representation would not be representation if people portraying characters are not a part of those groups. It's sorta like minstrelsy. The whole point of representation is to show the perspectives of everyone, but for you to properly understand that you have to listen to those often marginalized groups because then it's just talking over them.
I enjoy atypical and they were respectful, I just care about being properly represented.
@@hotpeppypepper3294 "Representation is to show the perspectives of everyone" is what you said. You don't just need actors to do that. Writing does that. Production design. The research and included parties to create the facts and experiences are a part of that. What I said isn't idiotic at all. It's about respect, understanding, and expression. You are confusing me with culture vultures. No. That's not what it's about. There's a big difference between sharing an experience and taking an experience and erasing the origin. That's talking over them or ignoring them. And even when you think about it, do all hood films have actors from that area playing the roles? No. Are all Asian actors Japanese warriors and swordsmen? No. Were all the actors in any Mexican heist film gunmen and bandits? No. Like I said, it's best served as CONTENT not just people. Why? Because the content is a much larger and more inclusive portion and not just limiting it to faces. Have a good one!
@@Aaron_Smith_OM this mentality you have is so bad. This mentality is why brown face, yellow face, and black face was so prevalent in Hollywood. Back then poc got their stories told but had to watch a white person dressed as them do it. Example the original “In the Heights”
@@eduardoceja9037 I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that representation keeps getting limited to ACTORS. It's more than that. The writers, the producers, those interviewed in the research and so on, should also be what representation includes. Was it not too long ago that people were saying more writers of color and diverse backgrounds in the writing room? Producing the CONTENT? Not just ACTING? I'm targeting the statement that was said in the video of Kier not being on the spectrum. I further went to show why representation isn't limited to actors with comments about hood films and so on. Example. I'm from Baltimore. I know how shit is around here and not for a second did I believe Idris Elba in The Wire. But I did believe Snoop. Snoop is from here. Snoop is of this area before being an actor so the diction, vernacular, and body language was all Baltimore. In the movie Kids, some of the actors (which had no acting experience) were plucked right from the area and some were pulled from casting calls and agents. In Music...? Do you want me to go into that one? Having a background working with kids with Downs, Autism, and Bipolar challenges, that film was largely disrespectful and played up on stereotypes, like the misunderstanding of compression. Not all people with autism appreciate and welcome compression techniques. Atypical was also lead by an actor without autism but it did wonders. Why? Because the CONTENT as a WHOLE was inclusive and had representation, not just throwing it on the actors, but in the rooms were things are conceived. Hell, look into the debacle of Kim's Convenience. That's another reason why representation needs to be in the meeting rooms versus just on the actors. The executives and writers were reluctant to have an Asian decision making team to tell the stories of Asian-Canadians. Again, representation is about the entire CONTENT not just the actors. But if the actors are taking roles where they aren't from that particular group, then take the chance to understand it, appreciate it, and express it. Which Kier did because that's his job. I never said don't cast someone of that group. It just needs to be on the content Read what I'm saying and step back to understand it. Get out of your feelings and understand what someone is saying. Take care!
I’m autistic and an actor and it always hurts to see myself represented in this way. It’s like I’m being mocked.
Thank you for addressing this! ♥️
@The Rue Morgue It’s all about hiring autistic actors. That way, it’s not mocking. No actor can “imitate” autism. The imitation in itself is insulting. I know SO many autistic actors who are extremely talented. There’s no excuse anymore.
Also I love the native representation with izzie!! I think she’s only like a quarter but i’ll take what i can get lol
Blood quantum is stupid quarter not she is native periodt.
@@avanigore1499 it does matter. if you lived on the rez or actually grew up around native people you would understand that but you probably didn't. people use their 10% native as an excuse to exploit us and use our culture for clout without actually helping our community.
Zaheed was the best no cap 🙌🙌🙌😂
This is the video I didn’t know I needed omg I’ve been looking for someone to talk to about this amazing show. One thing I hated though was how Casey left her extremely healthy relationship with Evan for a tumultuous relationship with Izzie. It made me really sad to see him sort of left behind while she discovered her sexuality. I wish the writers could have made the breakup feel more justified, like some significant outstanding issues. Otherwise, it didn’t really make sense to me why Casey would leave such a good relationship
From an audience’s pov I totally understand why you’re like why would she leave a nice bf for a questionable person? Like Izzie was very hot and cold for a while, but I personally went through the *exact* same thing as Casey, so even when you have an awesome bf, when something life changing happens, like the realization that you’re not straight and may like the someone else, you feel like you owe it to yourself to explore those feelings so you don’t repress them or regret anything later. Even if it’s with a wishy washy person (my experience was 🙄) but my bf and I actually got back together (later) and talked about it all and I appreciated the opportunity to figure myself out even if it didn’t end up working out with her. It’s a risk you’ve gotta take for yourself even if you have a perfectly good bf.
What I *didnt* appreciate was people cheering for her and Evan’s break up just for a ship to happen. Like she genuinely loved him and was really sad about leaving him, why would that be something to cheer about? From other queer people I saw cheering for it, it just felt biphobic or like fetishization of their ship cuz it’s not like Evan was a bad partner. (Sorry for the long rant!)
@@abbytaegusuga dude i agree with you 100%. i mean, casey’s just trying to figure out what’s right. evan forgives her so i do too
9:06 I dont know about fivel Stewart (izzy) but Brigette Lundy-Paine (casey) is Non bianary, their pronouns are they/them.
I liked that the dad wasn't the SUPER COOL DAD who is always supportive and fine and funny or something. Because it is frustrating af to usually see dads on shows who are TOTALLY annoying or even aggressive (so the bad dad trope - let's just call it that) or the "perfect" and wannabe funny one.
Throughout the whole 4 seasons, I didn't hate nor did I like both the parents. Because they had flaws and made mistakes. But you actually get to see (at least) that they love their children and are able to apologise.
Having grown up with someone who lives with a disability it was really great to see something like this show on the screen!
Also can you please watch review “everything’s gonna be okay” all the actors who play neurodivergent people are neurodivergent in real life… also it’s by the same writer and actor as “please like me” which is also another great show
Absolutely love “Please Like Me” and “Everything’s gonna be ok” it’s the writing and actors ability to really make you feel with them!
Yes omg I love that show Sm!!
The main thing I thought was missing was how brushed over Casey's cheating was, for being a daughter destroyed over her mother doing it, there didn't seem to be enough sellof reflection or remorse. It was all just suddenly ok
Ahh you’re always perfectly making videos after I finish shows *chefs kiss*
Could you maybe explain at what point it is problematic to act as though someone/ something you are not
I really thought about it a lot and I have points for both sides because I know how important representation is but knowing that most people don’t care about who the actor is
Like I heard many people tall about representation of different sexuality’s and how only if you identify as the specific sexuality you should play the character, and would that mean that LGBTQ+ people are excluded from straight roles or homosexual from bisexual roles?
At what point is it problematic for an actor to act as if?
I don’t really know and would love to hear your opinion on this
Same because, these roles are written a certain way, there's still stereotypes in media. Sadly. Like an irl les acting as a les in a film and there's stereotypes, won't that anger the community as well.
I think the problem is also that not being able to fully relate to/ experience life as a certain minority can have major issues in regards to representation. The actor could enforce stereotypes, even unintentionally. For instance, a man playing a trans woman would subtly suggest that trans women are playing dress-up or “manipulating” straight men to become “gay”; the movie’s intentions could contrast to society’s view of their portrayal. There’s also the whole problem of telling a community’s story without including them in it. Blackface had so much popularity because white audiences could listen to black stories without having to see an actual black person. They profited of the creativity of a whole group of people whilst holding them down in every other regard. Blackface was more blatantly racist and problematic (since it purposefully played into stereotypes for enjoyment), but several problems can arise from not casting people in minority groups to star in television/movies.
Edit: I think if someone has experienced life a certain way, they should be able to portray it on screen. A gay woman could play a straight woman since she has experience being straight, or living out a portion of her life as such. Race, disability, and mental illness don’t have as much fluidity for casting. At least for the most realistic, non-harmful portrayals. Some actors play these roles incredibly well, and the stories resonate with their audience.
I don’t find is as much problematic as I find it disappointing overall I liked atypical but that doesn’t make it above critic. When picking an actor you pick the person you think can give the most believable performance to an audience by not picking an actor with autism it could be seen to suggest that an autistic person could not have done just as good a job. And while it is true that actor with disabilities may need different adjustments provided these is a more than fair deal for profiting of others struggles.
The truth is people with disabilities are not seen in media as much as they exist in real life until we have hit a point where we see this happen and see disabled people cast for non disabled roles and in background casting and small roles as well. I think it is easy to see why people find this particular casting controversial. It’s all talk no action activism
Furthermore I think it only damages minorities to pretend we should address situations the same for all as if they are all identical lgbtq history is different to indigenous history or disability history although they often intersect there are differences this is not to say one is more or less oppressed but rather that as a society we often over simplify what is very complex
Yesss I’ve been waiting for this!!
Please please make a video on I am not okay with this.
YESSSSS 💞💞
@Depressed Gay Wizard i know right 🥺🥺
@Depressed Gay Wizard well that's Netflix for you. They will cancel their good shows with good plots, storylines and diversity but make 10 kissing booth movies
It's actually Brigette's (Casey) birthday today!
I'm only at the end of season 3 but I'm ah Evan stan I love him so much
I’ve been waiting for this video ever since I saw the atypical short you made
Love Casey and Izzie soooo much. They are great & realistic representation for lgbtq+ especially wlw - bc they even showed differences in experience between Casey being bi and Izzie being lesbian !!
btw Brigette (Casey’s actor) is queer, they are nonbinary!
At the part in the vid going over the representation and wanted to comment that I watched the show called "Everything's Gonna Be Okay" and I feel like there is some really good representation in the show. Queer relationships, different relationship styles, and one of the main actors who is playing a character with autism actually has autism irl and I heard helps consult for her character. And for her character (Matilda) they go over her transition from high school to adulthood and college. I really enjoyed both seasons with a total of 20 episodes so far and would recommend it to everyone. I love the show writing and everything the show goes over.
I agree with basically everything you've said! I realised, as you were talking about the finale, that I didn't cry. I ALWAYS cry (lol), especially at series' endings! So me not crying at Atypical's finale says a lot I think.
Yay I was waiting for this video!! Can’t wait to watch it rn(:
I love atypical so much, It’s definitely one of my favourites
I binged watched every season of Atypical in 2 days...that's how good this show is.
Me too 😩
I am on season 4. Started about a week ago. Will be finished in a couple of more days. It is good.
Zahid is definitely my favourite character for sure
I love your content I’m so happy I found this channel
Is it really important that an autistic character be played by an actor with autism? If they were respectful and played it well, why is it a problem? Isn’t the job of an actor to act and take on a character? If everyone played only characters of their own identity then they wouldn’t be actors? They are just actors ACTING. As long as the actor uses there money to help the cause and create awareness and become an ally, it’s honestly really great. I just think as long as they do it well and respect the character and the condition it’s not really that big a deal.
Because I'm sure there are people on the spectrum that would've loved to play a role like this. Yet they are overlooked or ignored because of that. It just doesnt make sense. Like when white actors play Hispanic/Latinx characters. It's annoying to know that there are hundreds of people who are in a community that are aspiring actors and can fit a role but are AGAIN ignored for people that are the status quo or more "palatable" to the audience
Would you be open to doing a series covering all of Degrassi? There's A LOT that needs to be discussed there imo.
oh my- degrassi degrassi degrassi wooowww, it was a roller coaster watching that show and i’m not sure if it was in a good or bad way lol
my therapist recently suggested referring me to be diagnosed with autism and adhd and i watched atypical after this fact. i was watching season 2? 3? where sam was figuring out what to do in college and it helped me tremendously. i realised i should study my special interest and that i could get accommodations etc etc it was such a big help. im pretty shocked to hear he wasn’t on the spectrum though
it was also nice to see wlw and especially casey being bi since i myself am, but how it ended with evan - that was really sad tbh
I stopped watching atypical to watch a video about atypical. Lol
omg sameee
the quality of this video called me broke in all the different ways
Bestie this video radiated class
The series ending felt very rushed. I really hope that they end up doing spin off episodes with Casey and izzie and with Doug and sam. It’s honestly my favorite show, especially since I’ve been watching since season 1 so seeing it end in such a rush was disappointing.
i agree, the writing was rushed and sloppy. though, the creator said they planned on having atypical be a 5 season show, so when netflix shut that down, they had to erase lots of plot points and put it all in only 1 season. still, i agree, it could have been better.
I loved this video as well as all your other videos
hello fellow folklore stan
@@andreaf8404 hello fellow other folklore stan😏
Have you watched POSE? I’d love to see you review that one, they have amazing representation on it!
i loved this show but something that kinda bugged me about it, especially the antarctica part is that the amount of money the family has is very unrealistic for a paramedic with a near SAHM, they definitely couldn't afford as much as they did on the show.
Yeah i also feel like they didnt end it off on a great note because the whole 4th season was trying to figure out how exactly Sam was getting to Antarctica but we never know how he actually gets there?? But it is a very great show
i love your videos i just finished atypical and loved it
10:17 YES! i totally noticed this too. I was like um what was that.. it disappointed me bc they did so well with some of the other issues they tackled and then they just weirdly avoided race
Ngl I cried when it ended. I hope theres a spin off 🤞
I LOVE brigette and their portrayal of casey
I just assumed they went on like a cruise where you just stay a few days in Antarctica and go back idk
As someone with autism, I'm getting pretty sick of us only being portrayed as self absorbed narcissists. between this and The Good Doctor, I'm pretty fed up.
If your so offended, simply dont watch those shows
I dont really like how they frame people first language as good. Its actually pretty ableist that you need certain structure when you speak to remind yourself and others that people on the spectrum are people. You should be able to recognise that theyre people.
I thought they portrayed it as bad but maybe I misinterpreted
I'm autistic and I don't personally mind that the actor is not autistic. It's nice that he did his research to make sure that he did represent things properly.
Thank you for your comment. I kept seeing people commenting shit like "he has to be autistic to play the character". Which is not true.
@@wilsonsele9096I think that would lead to typecasting
I love atypical so much, when I type at, atypical is the auto correct.
i love your thoughts on the show.
i absolutely adore atypical like it is truly a show i hold near and dear to my heart but that final season 👎🏾 like there are things in it that i love but overall it just wasn’t the best. i think it’s because the creator intended the show to be 5 seasons but then the pandemic happened so they missed out on a year of filming and netflix didn’t wanna give them the extra year so they had to try and squeeze 2 seasons worth of things into 1 which isn’t possible. i agree with you that a lot of things were just left open and some things were just kinda skipped over. I really hope that maybe they can come back and finish it out or give cazzie the spin-off they deserve but that’s just wishful thinking on my part lol
LOVED THIS SHOW!!!
My brother is on the spectrum and Kier did a terrific job like he was very realistic the show itself was very realistic and i didn't hnave an issue with kier playing am cause he did the character justice
The one thing that bothered me about Atypical was that Sam was not played by someone with ASD. I feel like an important theme of the show was to show how capable people on the spectrum are. So, why not show that by casting someone with ASD?
I really like the show and you made a great analysis
This dude could not have said it any better. Every word he was saying I was like “I KNOW RIGHT THATS WHAT IM SAYING”😂😂😂😅😫
did you know: Sams dad acted in the iconic TV show Friends🤔 (in season 6😉)
I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of Cazzie. Their relationship IN MY OPINION! ISN'T IT. Like the way they met, Lizzie fakes being harmed and accuses Casey and that was just brushed off as something normal??
Yup. Let's talk about that
@@sseraphim2818 PEOPLE ARE NOT READY!
i i didnt like izzie at first but then i felt bad for her in season 4. izzie being a poc and less privileged than casey gives her a disadvantage so i could understand her frustration when casey, a white girl, away with things easily.
i find elsa to be realistic because my mom is similar in that she always makes the same mistakes and doesn't really grow or learn from them
Bud, the actor for Sam, IS good representation. What are you mad about? It's called acting. Personally I feel he is doing a fantastic job.
Thank you finally someone understands what I have been thinking
Because that's not how autistic people portray. Autism isn't a joke to mock someone's sexuality!!
On that note, I feel like with some of the recurring issues, you mentioned with Zahid or Elsa, for example, while I agree it may have felt annoying to see again in this series , I personally feel it actually what made the show a bit more realistic.
Have we all made mistakes in our lives before? Yes. Have some of us learned from it? Most probably yes. Have some of us made those same mistakes again later despite those lessons? I’d say a lot of us do. Because when it comes to personal growth, or character development etc, it’s not uncommon for us to have to hit a lot of bumps along the way.
I could relate to a lot of Sam’s annoyances when Zahid got back with Gretchen, for instance.. I’ve had a lot of friends go for or fall for the same “type” of (bad-news) guy over and over again throughout a span of time in their lives. . It took for many of those falls before some finally not only learned the right lessons but to actually apply them to their lives before the outcome ever changed.
So, I felt with Elsa being nosy or whatever, it was how she was for a good portion of her life and new habits would for sure take time to rewire and relearn, similarly with Zahid’s romantic decisions.
So I don’t see fault in that for this show, so much as I see it was depicted more closely to what real life could be like for a lot of people versus what we’d like to hope life’s journey to be, you know? Free of repeated mistakes/failures, for example, which I dont think is truly accurate … If anything, it only perpetuates unrealistic expectations that people either learn real quickly or can change things overnight, which is probably more harmful for younger more impressionable viewers who may feel more frustrated with themselves if and when things dont go their way or according to plan….. (which most people learn life never truly follows, fluidly anyway lol) …I don’t know I could go on on this topic but I’ll stop here so I dont create a trilogy of novels 😅😂
U gotta review Outer Banks kinda shocked u didn’t do it yet
So yeah- I literally only watched Atypical because of Casey but like: isn't the first time I watched a show because of ONE character (and also Evan and also Izzie, so maybe there were three characters...)
I like the emotional intelligence that was at play at times
I would love to see you do a review of this Netflix show called Special