even though it was a flop its quite possibly one of my favorite games of all time. i can't explain it but i have so many childhood memories with this one
I think it was ahead of its time in both not having a campaign and technology for the time. It also feels kind of scummy on Microsoft’s part. Like they were worried about competition with halo and went out of their way to cut shadow run off at the knees. Overall I think if the game was remade in 2023 it would do very well.
Every afternoon in 7th grade. My friends were looking for games that were multiplayer that were cheap at GameStop. And this was what we unintentionally discovered
it was such a fun game to play yes i have played both halo 3, rainbow six vegas 2 & shadowrun but nothing really felt like shadowrun if mircosoft gave them more of a chance im sure this game would have did really well i still play vegas 2 even to this day since thats my favorite rainbow six game
This game has seen a real revival in the last year or so and there is a very active, public discord community that plays it daily! It's a ton of fun and totally worth jumping back into
And Catalyst has completely shit the bed with the TTRPG now in Sixth World (6th edition). Topps/ Catalyst needs to sell the license to a capable publisher. Shadowrun is perfectly ripe to be made into an MMORPG in some shape or form in my opinion. Such an amazing setting with rich alternative history / lore.
@@Pharozos I still regularly replay the Genesis game and one of my "If I win the lottery" dreams is to fund a remake or sequel to that game. I don't think I have to describe my disappointment in the 2007 Shadowrun...sounds like you already know. I don't often get hyped up about upcoming game releases but Cyberpunk is one of the few that has had me completely on board from day one.
Well, the entire video is informative and well presented, but you said that the Shadowrun table top has only had 5 editions when the sixth just came out a few weeks ago. And because this is the internet, that ONE mistake makes the entire video bad. Those are the rules.
There is no Sixth Edition. There is an untested mess that got released though, but that can't seriously be considered a proper edition. I mean, just look at sharks. Holy shit. Normal sharks are powerful enough to give Bruce a run for its money.
@@tripweed I never said it was a good edition. Haven't had a chance to play it yet but yeah, it looks... not specially ok. I think they should just jump straight to a 6.5 like D&D did with its 3rd ed. Just that in shadowrun's case it would be out of absolute necesity.
@@Erojagan Indeed. I am pretty miffed about it. It's even worse than Anarchy, which was so heavily favoring magic that it became a laugh. But 6e is borderline unplayable.
Shadowrun (the FPS game) was one of the most fun experiences I've had in gaming, and I still think about it decades later and am flabbergasted nothing else came to even take ideas from this masterpiece. It is the only FPS game I know of where you can get a teleportation spell and use it to move omni-directionally through walls. It was incredible.
I was 2 of them, had a PC copy and an Xbox copy. Cross platformed on my PC while visiting a friend, then got a console copy for cheap so I wouldn’t have to deal with PC nonsense.
@@deathra9 I also owned on both PC and 360, I loved this game, one of my favorites of that entire gen. Haters be damned, shadowrun was an awesome MP shooter
Shadowrun was too ahead of its time. I even remember commenting back in the day “cross platform? multiplayer only??” This was back when a ton of multi-game spanning multiplayer console only shooters were coming out with great singleplayer stories with better polish. one of the critic comments about it being a proof of concept was spot on. Game felt it should have been on steam 4-5 years later for 20-30 bucks instead of full price in 2007
I absolutely loved ShadowRun, I was a big fan of Counter=Strike, so felt totally at home with it. Had loads of in-game memes like the dwarf has so much magic, they were assigned to resseurecting team members, so were called midget jesus :D But was So gutted it didn't do very well :( The inconsistant aim thing was really more a way to nerf mouse users, than anything else. Also, got voice banned for 48 hours for refusing to share a health tree with someone as he refused to spend any money on team helping items. >:(
Ah yes the usual I’m gonna spend all my money on a sniper and die and lose it guy lol I used to play this game for hours upon hours back in the day used to run around as a human with wired, gust/smoke(was so used to playing was able to quick change it in the fly) with either mini gun or shotgun with a katana ah..... good times
Game for windows was nightmare fuel. I remember not being able to play dead rising 2 because the game wanted my parents to give their authorisation ... I was 20 at the time, wasn't even living with parents, and my parents never cared about me playing violent games in the first place !!! Who thought it was a good idea to turn parental control on by default, I had to spend like an hour online reading guide just I so could play the game I bought. EVERY game I bought that was on game for windows bugged at some point, it's one of the most annoying software ever made, I've never talk to single person who liked it. And the worst part was that people who pirated their game didn't have to deal with it, pirate get the best experience and idiots consumers like me have to deal with microsoft broken software that felt like a malware at time. I know I'm just ranting but seeing game for windows being mentioned give me PTSD.
lmao dead rising 2 was years after that, it was still garbage but the main problem of shadowrun 360vspc was mouse vs gamepad, basically it was the first gfwl game , and the only one that worked as attented, dead rising 2 was a nightmare tho, but it's nothing related to this. After shadowrun they got crossplay was an unbalanced failure and was never going to be a success for a fps like that at MS and they just stopped any support of it(like 2 months after launch really), wich lead to GFWL being a fucking nighmare since it was not supported almost just after launch but still used for years! ( i bet just to maximise xbox 360 games sell since pc port didnt worked, it also negated pirating of games since even if you buyed it the game didnt work on pc!!!(even if cracked you still have to use gfwl you see wich negated lan mode and in some case case was so a pain you just gived up even after cracking the game) so clever!) It mean legal users of the game get fucked in the ass,so just pirate those games.
And in some cases the game still broken if is pirated, i hate that i can play viva piñata because of games for windows, and the worse thing is that you can actually play the game but never save.
@@ZeroTaichi You can save, I had the same issue for Lost Planet 2. You just need to download the gfwl software then create a local user profile, couple of menus later then bada boom bada bing you can save your game.
@@michaelp4587 Does valorant have teleportation and gliders? healing, resurrecting, bleeding out? This game just had so much I've yet to find something like it. Except maybe Overwatch, but that game doesn't have shared abilities and weapons like Shadowrun.
@@iamdew802 All those abilities are possible however they are agent specific, so before the game starts you choose a character and that character has preset abilities like resurrection, teleportation, gliding, healing, poison gas, and much more. Except for bleeding out that's the only thing valorant doesn't have.
Probably a rigger in direct combat who was too poor to go redliner. @@kallmannkallmann Shadowrun - at least in its 5th edition - has one point (which is usually homebrew banned) which requires a d20 - and that one is only during character creation, otherwise you only use d6.
We still play Shadowrun online nightly and the servers are NOT dead! We have a discord community with 500+ people and play on both xbox($15) and pc(free). TH-cam won’t let me link our discord but you should be able to find it in my latest video description.
A first-person Shadowrun co-op looter shooter with randomly generated runs would be my dream game! Another great video on an interesting and controversial game, NS!
This was one of my most memorable letdowns in all games. The magic/tech/race mechanics all interacted with one another in meaningful ways. For example you could buy the healing tree and then also buy gust so that you can propel the seed to distant teammates before it pops. Or use gust to counter players that try to escape in mist form. Resurrection and teleporting also fit right in. Also! Also! It had a fantastic callout system that was well ahead of its time! Using the 360 D-pad you could communicate fully voiced messages that would alter depending on the context. At the tap of a button you could audibly report something to your team like "3 enemies, tunnels" because you had 3 enemies in your sight while pointing at the only tunnel on the map. They were doing it before Apex Legends and the other BRs caught up. It was just so poorly handled. There are two extra little footnotes that I think were missing from this video: 1. Shadowrun also had an invitation only beta which was originally announced to take place in North America, Europe and possibly one other large region. This beta did go on for some time, incrementally inviting more players week after week. However they were only inviting NA users and it wasn't until a very late stage that they ended up declaring that the beta would not end up leaving North America at all, losing themselves some much needed publicity. 2. When Shadowrun first released Microsoft attempted to enforce the Xbox LIVE subscription fee on PC players. Since PC gamers have forever been accustomed to endlessly playing their multiplayer games (except MMOs) at no extra cost this obviously turned off a lot of people. Especially since not everybody had a 360 to make proper use out of the subscription. Microsoft did end up making a U-turn on this but too little too late.
I used to play the demo for this game on the xbox 360 all the time when I was in middle school and it's one of the few games I regret never actually buying because it really was a ton of fun and deserved more sales.
Hands down THE most balanced and thought out shooters that I've ever played. Example: trolls were tanks and they'd use essence for their armor. If you had someone play as a dwarf with a shotgun, they could destroy them. Another one was smoke - it was great to get out of trouble, but would get destroyed by someone with gust.
Troll smoke/wired/ gust/tree/res shotgun/katana was my main built . Unorthodox but super tanked because as smoke tank I can’t run faster and not be damaged by anything but gust, and if a tree is out I can heal while still in smoke
This game is way more complex and balanced than overwatch. But overwatch gets massively popular by appearing as a deep and depth team based hero shooter. Only because this game had more of a learning curve. Fucking love overwatch btw!!!
If you ask Mitch Gitelman today what it was like working for Microsoft, he's liable to sigh and pour a shot of whiskey. Apparently he has some "fun" stories from those days.
It saddens me that I got into the Shadowrun setting after this game was already dead, I think I would've had a blast with it. If it was released today it might've even garnered a bigger following since SR got far more popular in the last few years.
This was literally my favorite game and still is wish they would reboot it has so much potential and could have been amazing. We need a petition to maybe bring this game back it could be so much more.
Agreed man! I put in some hours on this game for sure. I was even playing Halo like a ton at that time and could still see the great potential this game had. I’d love a remake!!!
@Higher Power umm no Shadowrun does not belong in a CP2077 type game, it deserve the divinity OS2 or Pillars of Eternity 2 treatment, shadowrun as a concept needs to stay isometric and turn based. The universe of shadowrun is too specific. Cyberpunk works in a real time open world because the original rpg is relatively free flowing whereas shadowrun is strict and mechanics focused, especially due to decking. A true decking build makes a character near useless when not dealing with computers, this means youd need party support, but you cant control them in real time if youre decked. So isometric it stays.
I'm one of your relatively newer fans, and it's absolutely fascinating to see how your editing skills have improved over time, from just having the start, to here, to how dynamic it's become in 2021. I'm not sure if you'll see this since it's on an old video but still, your stuff is awesome and you've seriously improved over time as an editor and youtuber (though your actual quality in content has always been great).
Whenever I see something Shadowrun, I ask myself why there isn't more being done with the IP. I mean, it's a cross between cyberpunk and high fantasy; Quite unique, but accessible from two fandom vectors.
The license is an absolute clusterfuck. The company that owns the license is a bit of an absentee owner and the company that leases the tabletop and fiction elements of the license is a shitshow (one of the executives embezzled close to $800,000 and cooked the books to try and hide it. He's still with the company). Also while the IP is overall pretty neat there are definitely some elements that would get serious pushback today if it was given a wider audience (though admittedly a lot of more recent material published has tried to distance itself from things like 'Orks/Trolls are the black people fox news tells you to be afraid of' or the... interesting portrayals of modern Native American ethnostates). The best Shadowrun content I can recommend is the HBS RPGs (Shadowrun: Returns, Dragonfall, and Hong Kong) and maybe some of the old novels (Burning Bright is available as an e-book from barnes and noble and it's one of the best)
Radio Free Bavaristan Luke West nails it, Shadowrun also has an uphill battle because its mechanics are convoluted. It has to do fireballs and hacking under the same kind of system. That can make tabletop gameplay frustrating unless your DM simplifies it,
Radio Free Bavaristan Alternative view: Shadowrun is inaccessible from two angles because the fantasy scares off cyberpunk fans and the cyberpunk elements scare off fantasy fans.
MS: "We're making a Shadowrun Shooter!" Me in 2007: "YESSSSS!" MS: "Set in South America!" Me: "YEAH SEATL--wait what?" MS: And you can all cast spells!" Me: "...really?" MS: And you got PARAGLIDING!!!" Me: "uhhhh.....? Y-you meant parahumans, right?"
I think it's a strength of the new liteRPGs that the sequels tooks place outside of Seattle. Get some variety in. And hell, if you want a shooter with abilities set in South America... Aztlan vs Amazonia? HELLO?! The Amazonian War hasn't happened in lore yet, but smaller conflicts were still happening and the forces involves were usually "multiclassed". Why make up a bunch of bullcrap?
@@InternetHydra Oh, I agree that one of the strengths of Shadowrun is it's international element. But for the first video game in a series, if you want it to survive? Pick something that is iconically your setting. Just a weird business decision.
Yeah it.... It wasn't Shadowrun at all. They called it Shadowrun cause it had magic and augments with lots of races, but that's the only common ground.
I absolutely loved this game as a kid, i remember annyoing my parents to get this for me. This game is very underrated imo and i wish it was on steam so i can relive my childhood.
@@radarphaser It was a PR nightmare, the Shadowrun RPG diehards contributed in tanking the ratings of this game and blasting it publicly online with many never even playing the game. It was one of the fastest paced, intense strategic shooters and if it was released today, with other multiplayer only games, it'd sell like crazy (it'd need a graphics update but it was far more balanced than most CoD, Halo and Gears games have ever been
If I remember correctly, the Shadowrun promo was not related to the SNES game, but rather the the pen & paper RPG and the clip was made for a roleplaying convention.
I was into this game heavily, I bought it at an old game shop when I needed a break from halo 3. I still remember staying up til 7 am with some guy showing me thebins and outs. I still check every year to see if anyone is working on something similar in the same universe.
We still play Shadowrun online nightly and the servers are NOT dead! We have a discord community with 500+ people and play on both xbox($15) and pc(free). TH-cam won’t let me link our discord but you should be able to find it in my latest video description.
This game was just ahead of it's time. Imagine if this game released a few years ago with a fp2 sticker on it, I'm sure it would have done pretty well for itself.
I loved this game so much. I love the Shadowrun universe, the cyberpunk books, the tabletop rpg, the newer steam adaptations. I wish there were a way to play this amazing game still.
Could you do a DOAG on Loadout? It was real great until the devs decided to stop supporting the PC version in favor of the PS4 version - a real pisser of a decision when it's an ARENA SHOOTER
@@stevenclaiborne2587 Oh yea, they just stopped supporting it after a while of putting it on PS4 - maybe because most of their playerbase was on the PC who were now on a basically sinking ship
They focused too much on "balancing" the game, then ruined the best gamemode by making it ranked only; then they poured all their budget into a half-baked PvE mode that was going to be campaign, with a rather barebones AI. Then, when the PC version was on the road to death's door, they did the PS4 release. It flopped just as hard, and then they just stopped working on them altogether.
I still remember the month I spent on that, it could have been great. One issue that stands out is the tagline of millions of guns - it doesn't really matter when you're going to have a top tier set of them. A beam gun was basically a quake railgun that 2-3 hit kills anything at any range, shooting healing rockets at your feet was your second pick gun until it got nerfed. A lot of the combinations were simply bad or clearly not as good as a similar weapon.
Shadowrun was and still is my favorite competitive shooter. I used to play in tournaments all the time that the community put together. My channel has a lot of Shadowrun videos that I and people in the competitive community made to help grow the community. After the game was dropped by MLG, we all started our own tournaments that had cash prizes and we were even featured on the front page of MLG back when they used to spotlight the tournaments. Was some of the funnest times I had gaming.
That's how they balanced the game for the most part. They took shit that pc players hacked with and made them into tech powers or spells. Aiming with your mouse or gamepad didn't matter if the dude pinged you through a wall, teleported through, then used smartlink(aimbot) to cut you down. They did something few games now days couldn't, they balanced the mouse and controller.
@@Cole-zf6wb Enhanced Vision is the name of the tech and it was one of the more unbalanced mechanics but it still had balancing elements along with Smartlink which wasn't an "aimbot" but closer to aim lock. The Magic ability Smoke while "mapped" (not actively used) drastically reduced the effectiveness of Smartlink and limited the range of Enhanced Vision seeing you if you were more than like 6m away, if you activated Smoke (which used Essence and different races had different amount of Essence and therefore couldn't use it as long or could use it longer), you wouldn't show up for Enhanced Vision even if he was standing right behind you. There was also the Magic ability Gust, which was briefly showed in the video and hitting an enemy with your Gust would significantly hinder their aim and would interfere with the Smartlink effect.
@@Cole-zf6wb If anything, the mouse and controller wasn't entirely balanced but the fps difference between the two systems were the greatest issue especially as PCs had greater and greater performance over the Xbox 360.
I'm looking forward to every new episode of your DOAG series! Nice to find this one among my notifications after quite some time. Keep up the good work! You create high quality and very entertaining content here!
Thanks for making a video of one of my favourite games ever. Me and my friends kept hoping they would add in more content, because the foundation was incredibly solid. It's frustrating to see it all wash away because of publishers and IP rights. If re-released under right care on Steam, this game could still host a solid competitive scene. This game should've built up more on the a-symmetrical design and big open maps. The main reason to it's failure in reception, I believe, was that at the time paying a full game price for a multiplayer shooter was quite unheard of (on console atleast). You had games like Halo/COD that still had a story slapped on. Add in the fact that for the tabletop Shadowrun community, the idea of a Shadowrun shooter was appaling, only made to catch a commercial trend.
I'd enjoy seeing a DOAG on "Cartoon Network Universe: FusionFall", an old Cartoon Network crossover mmo. It's officially dead, but it's been revived through a fan-made project called "FusionFall Retro". :)
@@PainKillerDS If you're talking about FusionFall Retro being shut down, yeah I already know. :( I made this comment while it was still up and running.
I had a copy of the game back in the day and I absolutely loved it to bits. Games didn't track playtime on Xbox back in the day (at least not that I was aware of) but seeing some of the grindy achievements I got I must've played for hundreds of hours. I would be very much interested in a remake or sequel.
I had so much fun with this game when I was 14 at the time. I had no idea about the franchise's past and enjoyed the mechanics of the game. I probably didn't play it for that long since 2007/2008 were such busy years for multiplayer games. Probably the best 2 years I've ever experienced gaming.
Two of my favorite 16-bit console games: Shadowrun for the SNES and Shadowrun for the Genesis/Mega Drive. It's a universe that needs a quality MMO with a viable business model.
I've been binge watching all of your videos for like 2 days whilst I do my work. I absolutely love how you go into the history of whatever game you bring up and then tell us what happened to it. It's like watching a documentary with a beginning, middle and end. Love what you do, cheers!
Some notes: - Shadowrun actually recently released its 6th edition, the third under CGL (Catalyst Games Lab) to mixed reception from the community (in all fairness the issue of the huge amount of things you CAN do in SR always lead to SR being a very crunch heavy system) - Harebrained Schemes, the studio behing SRR, SRDF and SRHK, was recently aquired by Paradox Interactive, a publisher known to put ridiculous amounts of DLCs into their games, Battletech being the first (or at least one of the first) that was developed under the Paradox banner already featuring a 49,99 € season pass as well as two DLCs (the digital deluxe content and the shadow hawk pack) that are not part of the pass, making me less than optimistic about the future of the IP in terms of video games - Shadowrun COULD'VE worked as a shooter if they would've created it as an urban brawl (a sport within the world of shadowrun in which two teams basically go for real life CTF - including the shooting)
Small tidbit: Harebrained schemes didn't bother putting up SRDF on the Google Play Store after it was pulled down 1½ years ago, due to gdpr stuff. I know, because I get notifications for this tweet every so often: twitter.com/WeBeHarebrained/status/1000782136884903936
Thank you very much for this #DOAG. This is my favorite game right next to the halo trilogy’s. This game had a very small 100-150 player base that played for almost a decade strong! Sadly after 8+ years of playing, the games servers were put down hopefully this peaks some kind of interest.
I had a lot of fun with Shadowrun on the 360, but I tended to gravitate towards teamwork oriented multiplayer games. You emphasized the Halo and Counterstrike influences and could only find sources from 2007 - in sure many have been lost to time - but there was earlier coverage and forum rumors that compared it to Team Fortress, or even chess, which is more apt. Though the game's population was small, most everybody had a mic in those days, and you got to know some of the regular players. Another one of favorites from the era, From Software's Chromehounds, had a similarly small population of friendly, mic'ed up players. A team-based game where you built your Hound - a mech, really - to fill certain roles on the battlefield. Each match had your team capturing towers around the map, with a unique feature that neighboring towers were required to maintain communication between players. Communication was important because you needed players to act as spotters - calling out distances and coordinates - for the guy on your side with artillery. The enemy team could send fast Hounds to flank and sever communications, or a player with the commander module installed could bridge the gap between towers. Chromehounds was really unique, and it would be neat to see if you could dig up any footage and discuss the game.
i absolutely loved this game. played a ton on pc when it came out. if any corporation, were to just re-release this game, maybe add some maps and revamp the graphics, i would easily pay $60 for the game today. if it was re-released as-is, i would pay $30.
Game was honestly way ahead of its time. It was the first to do alot of shit that is a staple today, like cross play, and introducing movement abilities(among others) into shooters, multiplayer only, team communication through the controller, and alot more. I loved it at the time, but im not sure if everyone else was ready.
@@davidbaguetta127 It would be a game where you can play as a hacker, magic user, troll or a number of things with a deep world with different corporations that you could get to work for and maybe get to fight each other. Shadowrun is a very deep world that is a lot of fun and the game we got was nothing like what was wanted.
@@PheonixKnght no you cant go solo in shadow run you have to have a decker and they cant play in a fps action combat who will cover them or you want time to stop when you hack? It will never work
I only knew about this title because a friend of my mother was house-sitting and we had dinner there; later I played on their Xbox and stumbled across this gem. Very quickly bought myself a copy and loved it thoroughly. Still one of my favourite shooters.
The pistol and rifle had a zoom ADS which improved accuracy, this game was entirely all about movement, placement and shot placement. The competitive matches were some of the most intense, strategy meta shooters ever made. This guy completely ignored that SR diehards played a significant effect in tanking this release because it wasn't the lore tabletop that they live in their mother's basements playing; on top of the rushed release, no single player for $60 but I had played this with dozens of others for over a DECADE, I've purchased multiple copies over the years including the original $60 price and it was some of the best money I've ever spent.
I hate that this game died, I absolutely loved it and have been thinking about it for a while now. Have heard there's a version on pc that can be played with some active players so I might try to find it.
@Get in the van I have candy I guess you see any FPS as Counter Strike. Umm...does Counter Strike have magic and selectable tech? No? Then you've either never played Shadowrun, or are troll.
@Get in the van I have candy ^^This is what misplaced rage is. So every FPS is Counter Strike no matter what world, setting, weapons, or additions. So you can teleport through walls in Counterstrike, right?
@Get in the van I have candy Yes, there are similarities. I'm not denying that. But they added a lot of stuff that makes the game unique. Who cares if they started by outright copying a game? It's a completely different game! There was NO OTHER FPS with the MAGIC system in 2007! That's just the biggest example. I'm not sure why you have so much misplaced rage just because the games are similar in design, til you take into account settings and game mechanics. Yes, if you don't take these things into account all FPS are Wolfenstein. All Battle Royale are PUBG. Dude, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I acknowledge they used Counter Strike as a base, but the final product does NOT resemble Counter Strike other than being an FPS.
@Get in the van I have candy Let me lay it out REALLY clearly. Both are great games for their day, but for different reasons. What made Counter Strike great? The community. The ability to create boards, and get weird in one of the first really good online FPS. What made Shadowrun great? The gameplay mechanics they added on top of the Counterstrike formula. The magic and the tech. An elf blocking bullets, someone teleporting in from above you in a sealed room. The ability to see people through walls. It added a whole new dynamic to the FPS genre that hadn't been there before, where it wasn't just a flat plain with some obstacles to block bullets.
I loved that game,,,then few patches threw the balance all over the place and then it was left unsupported and the playerbase started to slowly fade away, atleast that was my experience when I played.
Loved this game. Played the heck out of the demo and then bought it years ago. Almost bought it after watching this video to get the nostalgia out, I just can’t imagine there’s anyone playing. Wish they would remake this one.
We actually had a dedicated community going until roughly 2017, we even had 20 players fly to Santa Ana Esports Arena in January 2017 to do a LAN tournament. The game finally became backwards compatible around 2018 but the servers were shutdown eventually
I think you nailed it. Playing pro in this game for many many years, I absolutely loved the game, the most competitive title with the steepest learning curve I had ever played. As with most businesses/ventures that fail, timing. Launching right before Halo 3, and asking $60 was tough. Best $60 I have ever spent though.
This is the one video I've been hyped for ever since you've teased it. In the entirety of TH-cam, you're the only creator I look forward to. Have a good day, my man
This one i am genuinely interested to hear more about. I was around when that one specific patch reworked the whole set of rules. i understand by now that has happened a few times. I was long gone by then. Never got deep into the game because of this.
This game came out when I was 14 and I loved it. All I played was shadow run, gears of war and cod. Good old Xbox 360 days. RIP to an amazing game. Especially when MLG picked it up
one series I'd like to see die is COD.....but that's beside the point.... death of a series? Strike Road Rash Need For Speed [might still be going but it's a dead IP in all the ways that matter, there's been no real innovation/advance since Carbon despite all the entries since that game] Onimusha Halo [we all know Infinite is gonna suck cus 343 is still on it] Fabe [travesty of a loss really, too underrated] Syphon Filter Metal Gear Solid Castlevania ---- there's tons od IP to do death of a series on lol at a glance Strike died due to mismanagement as always and poor marketing and a IP name change RR died cus they ran the IP into the ground...mismanagement Fable died cus they progressed the timeline too fast and it stopped being about what it started as.... Syphon Filter died cus the one PS2 entry flopped then the 2 PSP entries also failed to do anything mismanagement plus the third game shoulda been a PS2 game cus it came out right as PS2 was being released eh and Castlevania straight up mismanagement and the lead dev left FUCKONAMI
Back in 2009 was contacted by someone from their studio for a huge art poster commission since they were having a huge 20 years celebration party for the game, something that according to their level of quality and details request it would've take me at least a week of work. And they offered me $80. I told them for that money I would rather draw them some stick figures on a napkin.
I remember having a lot of fun playing this game. Watching this video… I remember me and all my buddies only played the demo. But we played the demo a lot.
I appreciate vista solely because the install disk can be put on any computer anytime so it's good for resetting if something goes awry. Nice little backup os
DOAG: ToonTown
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Maybe if you're a disgusting casual. Hardcore players remember Club Penguin.
@@GrahamBarth kek, club penguin just got swapped for club penguin 2 in 3d by disney
still sad, but toon town was more obscure for me
this person is gonna be so thrilled when they find out ToonTown Rewritten has existed for like seven years
even though it was a flop its quite possibly one of my favorite games of all time. i can't explain it but i have so many childhood memories with this one
same
I think it was ahead of its time in both not having a campaign and technology for the time. It also feels kind of scummy on Microsoft’s part. Like they were worried about competition with halo and went out of their way to cut shadow run off at the knees. Overall I think if the game was remade in 2023 it would do very well.
If you're able to read this, it's up again, you can play.
Every afternoon in 7th grade. My friends were looking for games that were multiplayer that were cheap at GameStop. And this was what we unintentionally discovered
it was such a fun game to play yes i have played both halo 3, rainbow six vegas 2 & shadowrun but nothing really felt like shadowrun if mircosoft gave them more of a chance im sure this game would have did really well i still play vegas 2 even to this day since thats my favorite rainbow six game
This game has seen a real revival in the last year or so and there is a very active, public discord community that plays it daily! It's a ton of fun and totally worth jumping back into
Shadowrun has got to be the most under-utilized fictional world in existence. I'm so glad Harebrained made some games Worth playing in this universe.
The combination of CRPG stuff and strategic turn-based party is real darn good
And Catalyst has completely shit the bed with the TTRPG now in Sixth World (6th edition). Topps/ Catalyst needs to sell the license to a capable publisher.
Shadowrun is perfectly ripe to be made into an MMORPG in some shape or form in my opinion.
Such an amazing setting with rich alternative history / lore.
Fell in love with the Megadrive/Genesis game. I was raging when Shadowrun (2007) came out :(. Heres to cyberpunk 2077 :)
@@Pharozos I still regularly replay the Genesis game and one of my "If I win the lottery" dreams is to fund a remake or sequel to that game. I don't think I have to describe my disappointment in the 2007 Shadowrun...sounds like you already know. I don't often get hyped up about upcoming game releases but Cyberpunk is one of the few that has had me completely on board from day one.
there's like 4 games in the last decade lol, what a dumb claim
Well, the entire video is informative and well presented, but you said that the Shadowrun table top has only had 5 editions when the sixth just came out a few weeks ago. And because this is the internet, that ONE mistake makes the entire video bad. Those are the rules.
Tru tru
There is no Sixth Edition. There is an untested mess that got released though, but that can't seriously be considered a proper edition. I mean, just look at sharks. Holy shit. Normal sharks are powerful enough to give Bruce a run for its money.
@@tripweed I never said it was a good edition. Haven't had a chance to play it yet but yeah, it looks... not specially ok. I think they should just jump straight to a 6.5 like D&D did with its 3rd ed. Just that in shadowrun's case it would be out of absolute necesity.
We do not talk about 6th edition.
@@Erojagan Indeed. I am pretty miffed about it. It's even worse than Anarchy, which was so heavily favoring magic that it became a laugh. But 6e is borderline unplayable.
Shadowrun (the FPS game) was one of the most fun experiences I've had in gaming, and I still think about it decades later and am flabbergasted nothing else came to even take ideas from this masterpiece. It is the only FPS game I know of where you can get a teleportation spell and use it to move omni-directionally through walls. It was incredible.
You can still play and experience the game with a bunch of us still playing every day
Alive and well! Free to download and kick some ass!
damn, i was one of those 160,000 copies...
I was 2 of them, had a PC copy and an Xbox copy. Cross platformed on my PC while visiting a friend, then got a console copy for cheap so I wouldn’t have to deal with PC nonsense.
@@deathra9 Same, I didn't know it did that badly
I was 10...I bought it for all my friends so we could play together.
I freaking loved this game.
@@deathra9 I also owned on both PC and 360, I loved this game, one of my favorites of that entire gen. Haters be damned, shadowrun was an awesome MP shooter
I was an Xbox copy. I think I still have the actual game, unless I threw it out in the trash due to it draining all the Essence from my body.
Shadowrun was too ahead of its time. I even remember commenting back in the day “cross platform? multiplayer only??” This was back when a ton of multi-game spanning multiplayer console only shooters were coming out with great singleplayer stories with better polish.
one of the critic comments about it being a proof of concept was spot on. Game felt it should have been on steam 4-5 years later for 20-30 bucks instead of full price in 2007
I absolutely loved ShadowRun, I was a big fan of Counter=Strike, so felt totally at home with it. Had loads of in-game memes like the dwarf has so much magic, they were assigned to resseurecting team members, so were called midget jesus :D But was So gutted it didn't do very well :(
The inconsistant aim thing was really more a way to nerf mouse users, than anything else.
Also, got voice banned for 48 hours for refusing to share a health tree with someone as he refused to spend any money on team helping items. >:(
Why is not one talking about how fun and versatile Gust was?
Ah yes the usual I’m gonna spend all my money on a sniper and die and lose it guy lol I used to play this game for hours upon hours back in the day used to run around as a human with wired, gust/smoke(was so used to playing was able to quick change it in the fly) with either mini gun or shotgun with a katana ah..... good times
Kibeth it was really fun especially when all you had was that and a pistol or the gust glide lol
@@KibethSE Gust was borderline trolling, got so many angey PMs after gusting someone off the top of a building!
@@TheTendouSouji87 Those people are also the first to scream for help from others, then hurl abuse at them for not helping quick enough.
Game for windows was nightmare fuel. I remember not being able to play dead rising 2 because the game wanted my parents to give their authorisation ... I was 20 at the time, wasn't even living with parents, and my parents never cared about me playing violent games in the first place !!! Who thought it was a good idea to turn parental control on by default, I had to spend like an hour online reading guide just I so could play the game I bought. EVERY game I bought that was on game for windows bugged at some point, it's one of the most annoying software ever made, I've never talk to single person who liked it. And the worst part was that people who pirated their game didn't have to deal with it, pirate get the best experience and idiots consumers like me have to deal with microsoft broken software that felt like a malware at time.
I know I'm just ranting but seeing game for windows being mentioned give me PTSD.
lmao dead rising 2 was years after that, it was still garbage but the main problem of shadowrun 360vspc was mouse vs gamepad, basically it was the first gfwl game , and the only one that worked as attented, dead rising 2 was a nightmare tho, but it's nothing related to this.
After shadowrun they got crossplay was an unbalanced failure and was never going to be a success for a fps like that at MS and they just stopped any support of it(like 2 months after launch really), wich lead to GFWL being a fucking nighmare since it was not supported almost just after launch but still used for years! ( i bet just to maximise xbox 360 games sell since pc port didnt worked, it also negated pirating of games since even if you buyed it the game didnt work on pc!!!(even if cracked you still have to use gfwl you see wich negated lan mode and in some case case was so a pain you just gived up even after cracking the game) so clever!)
It mean legal users of the game get fucked in the ass,so just pirate those games.
And in some cases the game still broken if is pirated, i hate that i can play viva piñata because of games for windows, and the worse thing is that you can actually play the game but never save.
@@ZeroTaichi You can save, I had the same issue for Lost Planet 2. You just need to download the gfwl software then create a local user profile, couple of menus later then bada boom bada bing you can save your game.
At least anything with "Games for Windows" stuff that I bought are nothing but pirated games
Completely agreed. I want to play GTA IV but it's just not worth dealing with GFWL for.
We need a new version of this game. The game has great game mechanic ideas for a competitive FPS. It doesn't have to be in the Shadowrun universe.
valorant
I’m starting a discord for shadowrun FPS. add me. Tay!#6353
@@michaelp4587 Does valorant have teleportation and gliders? healing, resurrecting, bleeding out? This game just had so much I've yet to find something like it. Except maybe Overwatch, but that game doesn't have shared abilities and weapons like Shadowrun.
@@iamdew802 All those abilities are possible however they are agent specific, so before the game starts you choose a character and that character has preset abilities like resurrection, teleportation, gliding, healing, poison gas, and much more. Except for bleeding out that's the only thing valorant doesn't have.
@@iamdew802 I currently actively play this game, if you have a discord I could answer any further questions about the game. Add me michaelp#9489
2:37 inacurate. Shadowrun requires at least 30d6 on skill checks
That's only if you want to succeed the roll. :P
"Okay, roll your skill check."
"Crap... Let me get my other backpack."
So can be done with a d20+10. Gotta crit but 10 bonus aint that high.
Probably a rigger in direct combat who was too poor to go redliner.
@@kallmannkallmann Shadowrun - at least in its 5th edition - has one point (which is usually homebrew banned) which requires a d20 - and that one is only during character creation, otherwise you only use d6.
@@kallmannkallmann No.
Just... no.
Anyone who took the time to learn the mechanics loved the game. One of my favorites all time.
I haven't forgotten. Loved this game and it had a great dedicated playerbase. Small but great.
We still play Shadowrun online nightly and the servers are NOT dead! We have a discord community with 500+ people and play on both xbox($15) and pc(free). TH-cam won’t let me link our discord but you should be able to find it in my latest video description.
Edit: Discord just past 850, people want this cult favorite of a game because it’s mechanics were ahead of its time
@@EMERGxx edit: just passed 1100 users
edit: we are now at 3500 users
@@shubwubhow about now?
@@MagicRick283 we just passed 4k members and penguinz0 made a new video about it today
A first-person Shadowrun co-op looter shooter with randomly generated runs would be my dream game! Another great video on an interesting and controversial game, NS!
This was one of my most memorable letdowns in all games. The magic/tech/race mechanics all interacted with one another in meaningful ways. For example you could buy the healing tree and then also buy gust so that you can propel the seed to distant teammates before it pops. Or use gust to counter players that try to escape in mist form. Resurrection and teleporting also fit right in.
Also! Also! It had a fantastic callout system that was well ahead of its time! Using the 360 D-pad you could communicate fully voiced messages that would alter depending on the context. At the tap of a button you could audibly report something to your team like "3 enemies, tunnels" because you had 3 enemies in your sight while pointing at the only tunnel on the map. They were doing it before Apex Legends and the other BRs caught up.
It was just so poorly handled. There are two extra little footnotes that I think were missing from this video:
1. Shadowrun also had an invitation only beta which was originally announced to take place in North America, Europe and possibly one other large region. This beta did go on for some time, incrementally inviting more players week after week. However they were only inviting NA users and it wasn't until a very late stage that they ended up declaring that the beta would not end up leaving North America at all, losing themselves some much needed publicity.
2. When Shadowrun first released Microsoft attempted to enforce the Xbox LIVE subscription fee on PC players. Since PC gamers have forever been accustomed to endlessly playing their multiplayer games (except MMOs) at no extra cost this obviously turned off a lot of people. Especially since not everybody had a 360 to make proper use out of the subscription. Microsoft did end up making a U-turn on this but too little too late.
That u-turn ended up allowing Silver accounts to play online on the Xbox 360 for a number of years
I used to play the demo for this game on the xbox 360 all the time when I was in middle school and it's one of the few games I regret never actually buying because it really was a ton of fun and deserved more sales.
same, i bought it years later and servers were offline rip
@@weedacusthy1st358they’re back online
Hands down THE most balanced and thought out shooters that I've ever played. Example: trolls were tanks and they'd use essence for their armor. If you had someone play as a dwarf with a shotgun, they could destroy them. Another one was smoke - it was great to get out of trouble, but would get destroyed by someone with gust.
This video does the game literally zero justice and the creator did next to zero actual research on the game itself
Troll smoke/wired/ gust/tree/res shotgun/katana was my main built . Unorthodox but super tanked because as smoke tank I can’t run faster and not be damaged by anything but gust, and if a tree is out I can heal while still in smoke
This game is way more complex and balanced than overwatch. But overwatch gets massively popular by appearing as a deep and depth team based hero shooter. Only because this game had more of a learning curve. Fucking love overwatch btw!!!
@@jeemale522 hey. Join the shadowrun discord. We are trying to find a programmer to help get the servers back up.
@@withinyamind oh yes please invite me ive searched for some before. Were the servers really turned off? I played on my Xbox one like 6 months ago
“Microsoft buys a small company”
🔎🔎🔎C L U E🔍🔍🔍
If you ask Mitch Gitelman today what it was like working for Microsoft, he's liable to sigh and pour a shot of whiskey. Apparently he has some "fun" stories from those days.
Definitely enjoyed playing this back in the day.
Was an awesome LAN game. We had it set up at work.
yeah it was fun
@@tubularmonkeymaniac LAN parties were the shit! I havent been to one in like 10 years.
It saddens me that I got into the Shadowrun setting after this game was already dead, I think I would've had a blast with it. If it was released today it might've even garnered a bigger following since SR got far more popular in the last few years.
This was literally my favorite game and still is wish they would reboot it has so much potential and could have been amazing. We need a petition to maybe bring this game back it could be so much more.
Agreed man! I put in some hours on this game for sure. I was even playing Halo like a ton at that time and could still see the great potential this game had. I’d love a remake!!!
I'm so glad you put that "THIS IS NOT A PORNO" message up, because I was convinced it was a porno until I saw that.
I absolutely LOVED this game and had such good night's playing it.
I'd love someone to do a remake.
imagine, theres an alternate universe where Shadowrun actually came out as a F2P game.
Where were you when John Shadowrun was kill?
Loved this game, defiantly one of my favorites growing up. Shocked it do so poorly.
Yo Shadowrun Returns, Dragonfall, and Honk Kong were good
Returns wasn't great, but Dragonfall and Hong Kong were both fantastic.
@@RobtheStampede This. It was the bones of something better, which Dragonfall ended up being.
@Higher Power returns was okay, dragonfall was brilliant, HK was very solid. I enjoyed all three immensly.
@Higher Power umm no
Shadowrun does not belong in a CP2077 type game, it deserve the divinity OS2 or Pillars of Eternity 2 treatment, shadowrun as a concept needs to stay isometric and turn based. The universe of shadowrun is too specific. Cyberpunk works in a real time open world because the original rpg is relatively free flowing whereas shadowrun is strict and mechanics focused, especially due to decking. A true decking build makes a character near useless when not dealing with computers, this means youd need party support, but you cant control them in real time if youre decked. So isometric it stays.
Never realized the two different covers of the game that's cool
I'm one of your relatively newer fans, and it's absolutely fascinating to see how your editing skills have improved over time, from just having the start, to here, to how dynamic it's become in 2021. I'm not sure if you'll see this since it's on an old video but still, your stuff is awesome and you've seriously improved over time as an editor and youtuber (though your actual quality in content has always been great).
The best competitive shooter ever made.
This game was one of my favs along with gotham city. Really sad the good shooters didn't last and won't get a sequel smh
Start a discord and let’s bring shadowrun back
Whenever I see something Shadowrun, I ask myself why there isn't more being done with the IP. I mean, it's a cross between cyberpunk and high fantasy; Quite unique, but accessible from two fandom vectors.
There was an indie RPG somewhere on Steam. Thing is that it isn't that popular. Even in Seattle you would be hard pressed to find a group.
The license is an absolute clusterfuck. The company that owns the license is a bit of an absentee owner and the company that leases the tabletop and fiction elements of the license is a shitshow (one of the executives embezzled close to $800,000 and cooked the books to try and hide it. He's still with the company). Also while the IP is overall pretty neat there are definitely some elements that would get serious pushback today if it was given a wider audience (though admittedly a lot of more recent material published has tried to distance itself from things like 'Orks/Trolls are the black people fox news tells you to be afraid of' or the... interesting portrayals of modern Native American ethnostates). The best Shadowrun content I can recommend is the HBS RPGs (Shadowrun: Returns, Dragonfall, and Hong Kong) and maybe some of the old novels (Burning Bright is available as an e-book from barnes and noble and it's one of the best)
Radio Free Bavaristan Luke West nails it, Shadowrun also has an uphill battle because its mechanics are convoluted. It has to do fireballs and hacking under the same kind of system. That can make tabletop gameplay frustrating unless your DM simplifies it,
Radio Free Bavaristan
Alternative view: Shadowrun is inaccessible from two angles because the fantasy scares off cyberpunk fans and the cyberpunk elements scare off fantasy fans.
Nope. Cyberpunk fans won't go for it and neither will fantasy fans.
MS: "We're making a Shadowrun Shooter!"
Me in 2007: "YESSSSS!"
MS: "Set in South America!"
Me: "YEAH SEATL--wait what?"
MS: And you can all cast spells!"
Me: "...really?"
MS: And you got PARAGLIDING!!!"
Me: "uhhhh.....? Y-you meant parahumans, right?"
The South America bit was in the lore. It's a hotbed of shady corp activity. Not that this did anything with that.
I think it's a strength of the new liteRPGs that the sequels tooks place outside of Seattle. Get some variety in.
And hell, if you want a shooter with abilities set in South America... Aztlan vs Amazonia? HELLO?! The Amazonian War hasn't happened in lore yet, but smaller conflicts were still happening and the forces involves were usually "multiclassed". Why make up a bunch of bullcrap?
@@InternetHydra Oh, I agree that one of the strengths of Shadowrun is it's international element. But for the first video game in a series, if you want it to survive? Pick something that is iconically your setting. Just a weird business decision.
Yeah it.... It wasn't Shadowrun at all. They called it Shadowrun cause it had magic and augments with lots of races, but that's the only common ground.
Thanks for making these excellent videos. After finding your channel, I've now seen every DOAG episode and was hyped when I saw this notification.
I absolutely loved this game as a kid, i remember annyoing my parents to get this for me. This game is very underrated imo and i wish it was on steam so i can relive my childhood.
One of my favourite games ever and now have it on my steamdeck.
As a Tabletop Shadowrun player since 1st Edition and a Genesis version fan this was sooo disappointing back in the day.
Stfu. You nerds helped ruined this god tier game
No, please no. This is going to make me feel feels again, ain’t it?
Wasn’t this game awful from day one tho
J yeah kinda, but with the cross platform I was able to play with my brother while he was deployed.
That and I’m fan of the TTRpg.
@@radarphaser It was a pioneer for Xbox Vs pc if I remember, it really wasn't that bad from what I remember.
@@radarphaser It was a PR nightmare, the Shadowrun RPG diehards contributed in tanking the ratings of this game and blasting it publicly online with many never even playing the game. It was one of the fastest paced, intense strategic shooters and if it was released today, with other multiplayer only games, it'd sell like crazy (it'd need a graphics update but it was far more balanced than most CoD, Halo and Gears games have ever been
If I remember correctly, the Shadowrun promo was not related to the SNES game, but rather the the pen & paper RPG and the clip was made for a roleplaying convention.
Yep, trying to spread awareness to the world about it existing, came out in 1990 so we're still talking 1st edition for a couple of years.
Gotta say...its the one Shadowrun game I've got no qualms about missing.
Great video, dude! As always!
I was into this game heavily, I bought it at an old game shop when I needed a break from halo 3. I still remember staying up til 7 am with some guy showing me thebins and outs. I still check every year to see if anyone is working on something similar in the same universe.
We still play Shadowrun online nightly and the servers are NOT dead! We have a discord community with 500+ people and play on both xbox($15) and pc(free). TH-cam won’t let me link our discord but you should be able to find it in my latest video description.
This game was just ahead of it's time.
Imagine if this game released a few years ago with a fp2 sticker on it, I'm sure it would have done pretty well for itself.
I loved this game so much. I love the Shadowrun universe, the cyberpunk books, the tabletop rpg, the newer steam adaptations. I wish there were a way to play this amazing game still.
Could you do a DOAG on Loadout?
It was real great until the devs decided to stop supporting the PC version in favor of the PS4 version - a real pisser of a decision when it's an ARENA SHOOTER
Didn't they stop supporting PS4 as well? I haven't heard anything about that port in years.
@@stevenclaiborne2587 Oh yea, they just stopped supporting it after a while of putting it on PS4 - maybe because most of their playerbase was on the PC who were now on a basically sinking ship
They focused too much on "balancing" the game, then ruined the best gamemode by making it ranked only; then they poured all their budget into a half-baked PvE mode that was going to be campaign, with a rather barebones AI. Then, when the PC version was on the road to death's door, they did the PS4 release. It flopped just as hard, and then they just stopped working on them altogether.
I had a lot of fun playing Loadout on pc.
I still remember the month I spent on that, it could have been great. One issue that stands out is the tagline of millions of guns - it doesn't really matter when you're going to have a top tier set of them. A beam gun was basically a quake railgun that 2-3 hit kills anything at any range, shooting healing rockets at your feet was your second pick gun until it got nerfed. A lot of the combinations were simply bad or clearly not as good as a similar weapon.
Shadowrun was and still is my favorite competitive shooter. I used to play in tournaments all the time that the community put together. My channel has a lot of Shadowrun videos that I and people in the competitive community made to help grow the community. After the game was dropped by MLG, we all started our own tournaments that had cash prizes and we were even featured on the front page of MLG back when they used to spotlight the tournaments. Was some of the funnest times I had gaming.
You missed out on the 2017 LAN tourney in Santa Ana, CA.
6:12
"And the ability to see those around you like a radar of sort"
Literally wallhack
That's how they balanced the game for the most part. They took shit that pc players hacked with and made them into tech powers or spells. Aiming with your mouse or gamepad didn't matter if the dude pinged you through a wall, teleported through, then used smartlink(aimbot) to cut you down. They did something few games now days couldn't, they balanced the mouse and controller.
@@Cole-zf6wb Enhanced Vision is the name of the tech and it was one of the more unbalanced mechanics but it still had balancing elements along with Smartlink which wasn't an "aimbot" but closer to aim lock. The Magic ability Smoke while "mapped" (not actively used) drastically reduced the effectiveness of Smartlink and limited the range of Enhanced Vision seeing you if you were more than like 6m away, if you activated Smoke (which used Essence and different races had different amount of Essence and therefore couldn't use it as long or could use it longer), you wouldn't show up for Enhanced Vision even if he was standing right behind you. There was also the Magic ability Gust, which was briefly showed in the video and hitting an enemy with your Gust would significantly hinder their aim and would interfere with the Smartlink effect.
@@Cole-zf6wb If anything, the mouse and controller wasn't entirely balanced but the fps difference between the two systems were the greatest issue especially as PCs had greater and greater performance over the Xbox 360.
@@johnc417 please help us get the game back up. Add me on discord. Tay!#6353
I'm looking forward to every new episode of your DOAG series!
Nice to find this one among my notifications after quite some time.
Keep up the good work!
You create high quality and very entertaining content here!
Shadowrun? :D this is going to be GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
Memories of the Roosterteeth Shadowrun Machinima xD thats hella old.
"Beakman! He's a great guy!"
Thanks for making a video of one of my favourite games ever. Me and my friends kept hoping they would add in more content, because the foundation was incredibly solid. It's frustrating to see it all wash away because of publishers and IP rights. If re-released under right care on Steam, this game could still host a solid competitive scene. This game should've built up more on the a-symmetrical design and big open maps.
The main reason to it's failure in reception, I believe, was that at the time paying a full game price for a multiplayer shooter was quite unheard of (on console atleast). You had games like Halo/COD that still had a story slapped on. Add in the fact that for the tabletop Shadowrun community, the idea of a Shadowrun shooter was appaling, only made to catch a commercial trend.
Death of a game: Blacklight Retribution
It's a must do
@Artuurs Z. that hit me in the feels RIP Crimecraft
took a chance on this during the 360 days and boy this is my favorite lesser known game
Too bad, Shadowrun 2007 had amazing multiplayer!
I ALWAYS wondered what happened to this game.I really fondly remember playing it when I was young and it always made me want more.
I'd enjoy seeing a DOAG on "Cartoon Network Universe: FusionFall", an old Cartoon Network crossover mmo. It's officially dead, but it's been revived through a fan-made project called "FusionFall Retro". :)
Oh do I have news for you...
@@PainKillerDS If you're talking about FusionFall Retro being shut down, yeah I already know. :( I made this comment while it was still up and running.
@@LeonSteamhawk yeah I know it's sad too I really wanted to see how Legacy would've turned out.
I had a copy of the game back in the day and I absolutely loved it to bits. Games didn't track playtime on Xbox back in the day (at least not that I was aware of) but seeing some of the grindy achievements I got I must've played for hundreds of hours. I would be very much interested in a remake or sequel.
Literally playing Shadowrun Returns as Im watching this.
Keep going. You are in for a treat when you reach Hong Kong.
I had so much fun with this game when I was 14 at the time. I had no idea about the franchise's past and enjoyed the mechanics of the game. I probably didn't play it for that long since 2007/2008 were such busy years for multiplayer games. Probably the best 2 years I've ever experienced gaming.
Two of my favorite 16-bit console games: Shadowrun for the SNES and Shadowrun for the Genesis/Mega Drive. It's a universe that needs a quality MMO with a viable business model.
I've been binge watching all of your videos for like 2 days whilst I do my work. I absolutely love how you go into the history of whatever game you bring up and then tell us what happened to it. It's like watching a documentary with a beginning, middle and end. Love what you do, cheers!
This is one of the best video games ever created. I can only wish it gets a new one.
Some notes:
- Shadowrun actually recently released its 6th edition, the third under CGL (Catalyst Games Lab) to mixed reception from the community (in all fairness the issue of the huge amount of things you CAN do in SR always lead to SR being a very crunch heavy system)
- Harebrained Schemes, the studio behing SRR, SRDF and SRHK, was recently aquired by Paradox Interactive, a publisher known to put ridiculous amounts of DLCs into their games, Battletech being the first (or at least one of the first) that was developed under the Paradox banner already featuring a 49,99 € season pass as well as two DLCs (the digital deluxe content and the shadow hawk pack) that are not part of the pass, making me less than optimistic about the future of the IP in terms of video games
- Shadowrun COULD'VE worked as a shooter if they would've created it as an urban brawl (a sport within the world of shadowrun in which two teams basically go for real life CTF - including the shooting)
Small tidbit:
Harebrained schemes didn't bother putting up SRDF on the Google Play Store after it was pulled down 1½ years ago, due to gdpr stuff.
I know, because I get notifications for this tweet every so often: twitter.com/WeBeHarebrained/status/1000782136884903936
> Sequence about the game's poor reception and studio closure.
> Runners Eternal plays in the background.
Thank you very much for this #DOAG. This is my favorite game right next to the halo trilogy’s. This game had a very small 100-150 player base that played for almost a decade strong! Sadly after 8+ years of playing, the games servers were put down hopefully this peaks some kind of interest.
We had some toxic members in the community but we were all extremely loyal to our game
John Carlton what was your GT?
Man, I loved this game so much as a teenager.
man I totally forgot about Shadowrun. I played that over 100 hours back in the day
But you have yet to answer one very important question: "why does magic smell like bacon?"
Is this from 1800 magic?
literally the best game I ever played. Teleporting through walls and using a glider will forever be underrated.
I remember playing the demo of this on xbox 360
I had a lot of fun with Shadowrun on the 360, but I tended to gravitate towards teamwork oriented multiplayer games. You emphasized the Halo and Counterstrike influences and could only find sources from 2007 - in sure many have been lost to time - but there was earlier coverage and forum rumors that compared it to Team Fortress, or even chess, which is more apt.
Though the game's population was small, most everybody had a mic in those days, and you got to know some of the regular players. Another one of favorites from the era, From Software's Chromehounds, had a similarly small population of friendly, mic'ed up players. A team-based game where you built your Hound - a mech, really - to fill certain roles on the battlefield. Each match had your team capturing towers around the map, with a unique feature that neighboring towers were required to maintain communication between players. Communication was important because you needed players to act as spotters - calling out distances and coordinates - for the guy on your side with artillery. The enemy team could send fast Hounds to flank and sever communications, or a player with the commander module installed could bridge the gap between towers. Chromehounds was really unique, and it would be neat to see if you could dig up any footage and discuss the game.
i absolutely loved this game. played a ton on pc when it came out. if any corporation, were to just re-release this game, maybe add some maps and revamp the graphics, i would easily pay $60 for the game today. if it was re-released as-is, i would pay $30.
We regularly play in a Discord named "This is Shadowrun" if you're interested :)
Game was honestly way ahead of its time. It was the first to do alot of shit that is a staple today, like cross play, and introducing movement abilities(among others) into shooters, multiplayer only, team communication through the controller, and alot more.
I loved it at the time, but im not sure if everyone else was ready.
Shadowrun needs a Deus Ex style game
Yes please. With a dash of Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines and Cyberpunk 2077.
Then what will it be but a deus ex with magic?
@@davidbaguetta127 Shadowrun has true "supernatural" Magic? Not that "scientific psychic powers"
@@davidbaguetta127 It would be a game where you can play as a hacker, magic user, troll or a number of things with a deep world with different corporations that you could get to work for and maybe get to fight each other. Shadowrun is a very deep world that is a lot of fun and the game we got was nothing like what was wanted.
@@PheonixKnght no you cant go solo in shadow run you have to have a decker and they cant play in a fps action combat who will cover them or you want time to stop when you hack? It will never work
I only knew about this title because a friend of my mother was house-sitting and we had dinner there; later I played on their Xbox and stumbled across this gem.
Very quickly bought myself a copy and loved it thoroughly. Still one of my favourite shooters.
Good GOD those reticles in Shadowrun were giving me stress sweats. Why were they just giant circles?! Those bullets just went WHEREVER THEY WANTED
The pistol and rifle had a zoom ADS which improved accuracy, this game was entirely all about movement, placement and shot placement. The competitive matches were some of the most intense, strategy meta shooters ever made. This guy completely ignored that SR diehards played a significant effect in tanking this release because it wasn't the lore tabletop that they live in their mother's basements playing; on top of the rushed release, no single player for $60 but I had played this with dozens of others for over a DECADE, I've purchased multiple copies over the years including the original $60 price and it was some of the best money I've ever spent.
@@johnc417 these nerds are idiots, plain and simple. This game was god tier and almost a decade ahead of the curve.
I hate that this game died, I absolutely loved it and have been thinking about it for a while now. Have heard there's a version on pc that can be played with some active players so I might try to find it.
It’s public so just search for Shadowrun or the custom link is /Shadowrun
To this day, still my favorite FPS EVER! So different from anything at the time, and only now are FPS's starting to get all cool as this one.
cough* RIOT
@Get in the van I have candy I guess you see any FPS as Counter Strike. Umm...does Counter Strike have magic and selectable tech? No? Then you've either never played Shadowrun, or are troll.
@Get in the van I have candy ^^This is what misplaced rage is. So every FPS is Counter Strike no matter what world, setting, weapons, or additions. So you can teleport through walls in Counterstrike, right?
@Get in the van I have candy Yes, there are similarities. I'm not denying that. But they added a lot of stuff that makes the game unique. Who cares if they started by outright copying a game? It's a completely different game! There was NO OTHER FPS with the MAGIC system in 2007! That's just the biggest example. I'm not sure why you have so much misplaced rage just because the games are similar in design, til you take into account settings and game mechanics. Yes, if you don't take these things into account all FPS are Wolfenstein. All Battle Royale are PUBG. Dude, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I acknowledge they used Counter Strike as a base, but the final product does NOT resemble Counter Strike other than being an FPS.
@Get in the van I have candy Let me lay it out REALLY clearly. Both are great games for their day, but for different reasons. What made Counter Strike great? The community. The ability to create boards, and get weird in one of the first really good online FPS. What made Shadowrun great? The gameplay mechanics they added on top of the Counterstrike formula. The magic and the tech. An elf blocking bullets, someone teleporting in from above you in a sealed room. The ability to see people through walls. It added a whole new dynamic to the FPS genre that hadn't been there before, where it wasn't just a flat plain with some obstacles to block bullets.
I loved this game, really wish there was a way to play it on pc again.
Don't bother, you'll need windows vista
They should definitely make this game remasterd free in 2020
I adored this game.
It was also the most hilarious game for griefing of all time.
I remember loving it so much that I bought it for both the 360 and PC
I would love to see you do a DOAG on tribes: ascend.
I loved that game,,,then few patches threw the balance all over the place and then it was left unsupported and the playerbase started to slowly fade away, atleast that was my experience when I played.
God, I hate what Hi-Rez has become. Chasing whatever is popular and pumping out skins for money. What a damn shame.
Loved this game.
Played the heck out of the demo and then bought it years ago. Almost bought it after watching this video to get the nostalgia out, I just can’t imagine there’s anyone playing. Wish they would remake this one.
We actually had a dedicated community going until roughly 2017, we even had 20 players fly to Santa Ana Esports Arena in January 2017 to do a LAN tournament. The game finally became backwards compatible around 2018 but the servers were shutdown eventually
I really wish they would’ve made a legitimate single player campaign for that game.
I’ve probably been more hours in this game than ALL single player games combined, it didn’t need one
I think you nailed it. Playing pro in this game for many many years, I absolutely loved the game, the most competitive title with the steepest learning curve I had ever played. As with most businesses/ventures that fail, timing. Launching right before Halo 3, and asking $60 was tough. Best $60 I have ever spent though.
Shouldn't be surprised to see Himicane on a vid about Shadowrun, miss this community every day
John Carlton yes sir
"A table top RPG that has *looks at the smoldering pile of feces that is Shadowrun 6th edition* erm, has had 5 editions."
This is the one video I've been hyped for ever since you've teased it. In the entirety of TH-cam, you're the only creator I look forward to. Have a good day, my man
Played the piss out of Shadowrun for the Genesis, one of the best console RPGs came so early in gaming history.
I played the demo of this on the 360 for years
I have a sad request.
Death of a game: Awesomenauts.
This one i am genuinely interested to hear more about. I was around when that one specific patch reworked the whole set of rules. i understand by now that has happened a few times. I was long gone by then. Never got deep into the game because of this.
This game came out when I was 14 and I loved it. All I played was shadow run, gears of war and cod. Good old Xbox 360 days. RIP to an amazing game. Especially when MLG picked it up
Death of a Series could be cool to do alongside Death of a Game
one series I'd like to see die is COD.....but that's beside the point....
death of a series?
Strike
Road Rash
Need For Speed [might still be going but it's a dead IP in all the ways that matter, there's been no real innovation/advance since Carbon despite all the entries since that game]
Onimusha
Halo [we all know Infinite is gonna suck cus 343 is still on it]
Fabe [travesty of a loss really, too underrated]
Syphon Filter
Metal Gear Solid
Castlevania
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there's tons od IP to do death of a series on lol
at a glance Strike died due to mismanagement as always and poor marketing and a IP name change
RR died cus they ran the IP into the ground...mismanagement
Fable died cus they progressed the timeline too fast and it stopped being about what it started as....
Syphon Filter died cus the one PS2 entry flopped then the 2 PSP entries also failed to do anything mismanagement plus the third game shoulda been a PS2 game cus it came out right as PS2 was being released eh
and Castlevania straight up mismanagement and the lead dev left FUCKONAMI
Back in 2009 was contacted by someone from their studio for a huge art poster commission since they were having a huge 20 years celebration party for the game, something that according to their level of quality and details request it would've take me at least a week of work. And they offered me $80. I told them for that money I would rather draw them some stick figures on a napkin.
This game is stupid good. Wish could still play multiplayer
You can, people still play every night. A public discord too for more info if you're interested
@@EMERGxx oh wow, thanks, ima take a look!
I remember having a lot of fun playing this game. Watching this video… I remember me and all my buddies only played the demo. But we played the demo a lot.
Toontown, ahh memories... I'll forever hate that club penguin killed it. At least the rewritten team is treating it with some dignity.
I remember when I was young I remember playing this game I loved it so much too
The gameplay was fun as hell though.
My best-friend and I played this game for AGES every weekend after school in middle-school. I have so many fond memories of this game.
Ah, windows vista. That was my first gaming pc OS. You needed it to play halo 2, well that’s what they said.....
I appreciate vista solely because the install disk can be put on any computer anytime so it's good for resetting if something goes awry. Nice little backup os