@@paolopetrozzi2213 false reports that Khelif was a man who transitioned to a woman, that they tested her chromosomes and she failed. The facts are that none of that was true. It doesn’t rule out that she has unusually high testosterone levels (ie. Female bodybuilders), but she’s not trans, nor ever submitted a chromosome test. People read it online and ran with it.
@@sdot7117 "People read it online and ran with it." Which is exactly what you did. At birth, his male genitalia were not evident (DSD syndrome), hence he was wrongly recorded as a woman. Checking the wrong box while filling out a paper doesn't magically change your sex. But because of that mistake, he was believed to be a girl, and this is the sad part. He has never "transitioned" from male to female, as he already "was" a female, therefore he is not even a trans. He was disqualified from the Women's World Championships for failing a gender ineligibility last year: they discovered he had XY chromosomes, and this only confirmed the wrong sex assignment made at birth. But the woke 2024 Olympics have "different rules". In other words, woke rules, rules that allow men to punch women in the face while making it an Olympic discipline.
Good for her for being responsible in her comments and not contributing to the misinformation campaign against those two female boxers. The real question is why are strong female athletes always heavily scrutinized? Serena Williams went through this her whole career. And, more importantly, why isn’t any media outlet actually talking about the fact that many women have high levels of testosterone? It’s a condition that can cause Polycystic ovary syndrome, among other conditions. Once again, women are being shamed for medical conditions they were born with or developed. First JD Vance mocking women who can’t have children and now the world attacking two female athletes who have a different medical condition. WHY is it that women are always attacked and blamed? Media needs to do better!
i still think its a half arsed apology. "i only said that becuase thats what people told me" - is a horrifying example of what's wrong with the world. She still seems unaware that's the problem, and doesn't encourage people to not fall into the same trap. She's done most of the damage already along with a lot of high profile people who either have apologised or buried heads in the sand, so I can atleast applaud her attempting to remedying it.
Here we go. The IOC does NOT do genetic testing. So technically, a male can compete in the women’s category. The fact that the IOC accepts a passport as proof is laughable. So science cannot determine sex but a passport can? The IOC had been warned about male boxers wanting to compete with women and the IOC did NOTHING. The tests that were ordered by the IBA showed that those two people are XY. They are MALE. It is possible that Khelif was “assigned” female at birth but during puberty they must have realized something was not right. There are people who are born with DSDs and they vary. Don’t bring women with PCOS into this nonsense. Because only women get that. And guess what? If testosterone levels are high then measures can be taken to lower it. How do you reduce maleness? You can’t.
I'm sure we can find out the chromosomes in a dna test since they say female....the high testosterone and taking women's scholarships and breaking thru helmets etc.
The fighter fought IBA fights in 2020 and 2022 that required the same testing. The Russian president of the IBA which is controlled by the Russian government claimed the fighter had xy chromosomes after she defeated a Russian fighter in the 2023 world championship. It’s a huge scandal.
It's not a scandal, China and Algeria have two actual men fighting in the women's division lol. Imane withdrew her aggravation to the results of the gender testing because why fight it if you know your a man? lol
@@dan-ishaqabrahams9589Scientifically, you are completely wrong One out of every 1,000 women is born with a genetic disorder called aneuploidy Or triple X syndrome Her voice, hair, or physical structure is not what defines a man or a woman It is not strange that everyone becomes scientists now
The Olympics didn’t issue the gender test. So in this sense, she’s correct. A previous boxing organization (IBA or IBO) issued the gender test, and XY chromosomes were found. Which is why the fighter was banned in the other organization. This was confirmed by someone from the organization and from the WBO who was involved previously at the other organization. Both were high ranking officials within their organizations. Note, neither of them have been sued for defamation. To my knowledge the Olympics simply checked the birth certificate and passport. This is a complicated subject. I wouldn’t base my opinion on what shields finds out. There’s a few boxing writers who are all over this story. Mike Montero is one to look into if you want the full story.
So... She says she doesn't remember being tested for testosterone...because the "drug" testing for possible doping intake is the test where they can also see if you have too high testosterone level and as far as I know most of the sport players have to take the drug test to be sure that they are not in advantage compared to other players... Which happened to Khalif, they didn't go and check that just because they tought she looks like a man, it's just that the drug test shows levels of t. And if a "woman's" test results are too high in comparisone to other woman it can only be due to her taking the doping or if she biologicaly has male chromosomes, which is not her fault at all but still she is stronger of all women. It's as if a boxer of 100kg wants to box a guy who is 66kg, it's not same category. If he is 100kg, that's too strong of a punch for a guy of 66kg.
The IBA said they never tested for testosterone. That they tested to see if the person is XY or XX. The IBA can't post the results without the consent of the boxers, but the boxers themselves can post them. They could have taken this to the CAS, but that would mean that like with Caster, we will know exactly what test was done by IBA.
@@tarnw3301 This is a lie, stop fucking lying. The report from the IBA never said why she was disqualified at all, and refused to say what was actually tested. You can literally look up the statement online in five seconds. The claim about her chromosomes came from Umar Kremlev, the CEO of the IBA, on Russian state media and the IBA itself never once supported what he said as an organization. You're repeating Russian misinformation.
@@tarnw3301 They had the opportunity to appeal the IBA decision and neither of them went through with it because they knew they were male. Caster went on to father two children! Khelif and Lin weren't the only boxers that failed IBA gender tests that year. There were a total of 5. So there's a growing problem.
The olympics should be about have a fair level playing field, If they are going to let people compete who have an advantage from more than training, That is not fair, I think if they dont make this right, tham who wants to compete???why work your but off then have to go against who has an advanage,this will hurt the olympics. I dam sure woulnt like an olympics that is ahead before you even start.
It's not about the testosterone, it's the x Y-chromosome. That's the difference, don't make excuses. Do a 2 minute mouth swab. It will tell everyone mail or female way. Doesn't that ever come out?😮
You got it claressa but keep on researching. Khalif was born with (DSD) or disorders of sexual development. So she may be a woman but there was a mutation in her chromosomes which make her have some male characteristics such as high testosterone and male features in general. It's not a black and white issue and I feel like it's still not fair for these individuals to fight regular women. It's a complex problem that needs to be discussed and figured out by the commission.
But his condition only affects humans with Y chromosomes- males. So he's a male with a male health condition. It's not like a woman with PCOS. Women's sports don't exist to accommodate every male who can't compete with his peers.
Higher testosterone during development ages develops denser bones, greater lung capacity and larger wing span. Higher testosterone during development will cause a person to grow stronger, in other words, than a biological woman.
@@blackgold3998 I didn't say anything of the kind, just stating fact. You are the one who drew more conclusions from it. Why be so defensive against stated facts? You want the facts to remain unstated? Please tell us.
@@kaytaylormath answer the question, the Algerian female boxer Imane Khelif where should she participate? Or what should she do to meet your expectations? What should she change ? Who should she be? Please tell me 🙏🏾
XX competes with XX and XY competes with XY end of story no ifs ands or buts that should be law. simple as that and no controversy. When there is enough of the other categories to compete against each other start a category for them until then, tough luck find something else like anything else. Lost count of how many times my life has actually suffered because I did not fit into a category to get help I needed. Nevermind to compete in sport for medal my life has never been that good or lucky. I have never been treated special or given handouts and don't whine or complain I suck it up keep going. just like losing your job, you learn a new skill and find a new job and keep going. Sick of the excuses
@@novabigstar1509 No Y in XX game. It is that simple. Intetsex are mostly mutated/sick xy. There is no male without Y, but all males have also X in it. So having Y no matter how many Y or X should disqualify. It is a safety issue not a feel good thingy.
No matter how you insult Russians IBA, their explanation is clear cut, Khelif & Lin Yu Tong have XY DNA chromosome, that failed their eligibility, simple, no argument, it is Olympics IOC which likes to argue with common sense and medical science.
there are XY females but they're rare. What people are leaving out is the length of time hormones (whether supplement or created in the body because someone has DSD) have been strengthening the bones for years and years. That is an unfair advantage over an XX woman whose bones and muscle were developed over years by estrogen. Anyone can start taking testosterone blockers right before a competition in order to make it look like they have no advantage but the "damage" has already been done. They've already built up their bone and muscle over years by having that long-term testosterone advantage. A new rule has got to be applied to level the playing field or else actual skill, which is what the competition is about, is no longer a factor.
@@lenajackson5448 XY humans are in fact MALE. Intersexed DSD males who present as females at birth due to genitalia deformities have the organs of a male just misaligned and underdeveloped until puberty. In Puberty those males who presented and were raised as females their testes will develop internally and their body mass and muscle mass will increase into full male adults that look like males like we see in Imane. There is literally no excuse for Imane who knowingly entered competitions even after being outed for being a man posing as a woman he was even given the opportunity to appeal and did not go through with it. We all know why.
@@mrdenson3101 Look even DSD women you would NEVER wonder if they are women. DSD women look feminine they have feminine organs. DSD men look like females BEFORE puberty but develop into what Imane looks like. I get it in Algeria Imane and family would probably be killed for this ruse and why Imane keeps going with this farce but enough is enough.
Except the test DOESN'T say she's intersex. We don't know WHAT the test results were, or even what kind of test she was given. Per the IBA's official statement: "Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a *separate and recognized test*, whereby the *specifics remain confidential*. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes *did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria* and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors." Nothing about chromosomes, nothing about XY, nothing even about testosterone. You're repeating Russian isionformation they manufactured because their 'undefeated' boxer got beaten by Khelif in 2023.
You know nothing about biology. Don't try and bring up a biological issue when you've read somewhere about chromosomes without being versed on the issue. If you're a layman, like you are, then Ability to give birth = woman. Period = woman. You know nothing about chromosones
It doesn’t. Women can in fact have XY chromosomes while otherwise being a naturally born woman, it’s called Swyer syndrome. It means they have XX sexual chromosomes, which means they have XX sexual organs, but otherwise everything else is XY. This is likely the case for Khelif which is why she has more male features but likely has female sexual organs.
She been trying to fight Keith Thurman for years 😅, I'm glad she can finally put that conversation to bed. Women should fight women and Men should fight men.
They did that to a South African woman, born a woman, with a high level of testosterone compared to other women. It's sad for real/ I agree with Claressa.
This is an excellent analysis and critique Clarissa. Without realizing it she's pointing out that there's something fishy and bogus about the entire process.
I'm sure we can find out the chromosomes in a dna test since they say female....the high testosterone and taking women's scholarships and breaking thru helmets etc
Iman is a natural woman An Italian boxer, a brilliant and intelligent actress, she had an planB which was to cry and exaggerate to gain sympathy and eliminate the Algerian game Why did the Hungarian boxer complete all the rounds and not complain
There is a photo of Khelif sparring where a male cup boxing pad. Is this typical for women boxers? And what ever happened to the eye test, Khelif looks very masculine..
Measuring testosterone (for PED) is done by a T/E ratio (testosterone to epitestosterone). The IBA found both Imane and Lin Yu Ting to have evidence of XY chromosomes.
I think if you're born with both X and Y chromosomes than you shouldn't be able to complete against other women because this is genetically a male trait. They should have a separate division for these athletes.
See, finally, a person who is keeping it real and able to backtrack and take a closer look. Everyone else has lost their damn minds without getting and understanding the facts. She just earned even more respect from me straight up.
Research about what I’m lost… she literally said that there was a false narrative & saying what she believes… there’s nothing to do research on except when has testosterone testing been allowed in women’s boxing
The boxer was born a female on the outside (probably no male genitalia) but genetically is a male with XY chromosomes and high testosterone levels so most likely there are male genitalia inside (testicals didn’t descend) which causes the high T.
This is where the road ahead for competitive boxing and all sports begins to get fuzzy. If in fact these are two biological women and one of them has a medical condition that allows her testosterone level to become let's say three times it's normal range then this adds another component to how to class fighters in the future. It's for this very reason why we have weight divisions. You can't put a welterweight fighter inside the ring with a heavyweight. It just wouldn't be a fair competitive fight. The welterweight would be taking maximum damage and be getting KO'ED by simple jab punches.✊😳✊ In order for a fighter to have a fair chance to compete against a person with that much testosterone in her system it would require them to cheat to be competitive which is already what's been happening in sports anyway unfortunately so. People want you to believe that in order to be a champion amongst champions all you have to do is work hard and train hard. Trust me when I say that will never be enough. As long as anabolics such as Stanozolol 💉 and other PEDs like Nandrolone or Trenbolone💊 exist the world of competitive sports will never be fair ever.🙏
The only way I think they could make it "fair" is if they have a Trans division 🤷🏽♂️ where the men > women and women > men might be round the testosterone level she might be at. As of now I say kitty kat is a kitty kat and a sword is a sword
It’s not. This is an example of people jumping to conclusions trying to fit their anti trans views. BUT THEY GOT IT WRONG…AGAIN!! She was born female, she has always been female. If this was a test in school you wound’t give the point to the person who failed. Her body naturally produces more testosterone than average, just like how Michael Phelps has double jointed ankles allowing them to bend 15% more than other swimmers, are you going to argue that make him more likely to be a lizard person… no (I hope not but I don’t have faith in you anyways 🤷🏾♀️). Transphobia hurts non trans people everyday. That’s not the fault of trans people it’s the fault of the people who can “always tell 🤓👆🏾” but are wrong time and time again. Put the blame where it belongs, this isn’t a difficult concept 😐
The problem is that no other woman athlete has been tested for their chromosomes or testosterone levels just because "they don't look like it" so you cannot just say anything about Khalife and Yu Tong because there's just nothing to compare their tests with! What if we had beautiful women boxers whose tests said otherwise? But you don't have the tests results for them. You are only fixated on how Imane and Lin "look" i.e, masculine, which is a very wrong assumption.
Seems like people are questioning the chromosome test which allegedly the two woman failed. Why don't they just do another one then and clear this whole thing up? I believe they are very simple to do. My belief is that the Olympic Comittee knew that they have xy chromosomes and let them fight anyway. Otherwise why not just do the tests?
Thank you, Claressa! Very logical conversation. And I completely agree that just because a woman has a "manly appearance," does not mean they are a man. @3:13 -- yep, MTG for example. One of the biggest critics, and rudest people to anyone who she deems as "others," but looks like a man herself. I can't. 🙄
Testosterone testing is simply a loophole. As the last time I saw Claressa get in the ring with a man, she got knocked down badly. The whole thing is beyond absurd.
Yes yes... All male and females have different levels of testosterone.... And yes this makes people feel more raged or less raged... And yes as a straight man I don't have that much testosterone and and not overly aggressive... But I competed.. very much enjoy a good fight .. and don't mind my body being hammered by punishment... Did testosterone thing is completely different.. becomes very confusing
If i was so CUTE, no matter if male of female, i'd think twice before voting/signing that when a kid go to crash a party because he's salty for he wasn't invited, police should force the hosts to humor him.
I agree with everything Claressa said in this interview. However, wasn't Claressa challenging a MALE boxer to a fight a while back??? That makes her comments in this interview seem like a contradiction. It seems that she was only challenging him to get attention or because she knew he would not accept, and she gets no respect for that. Some of you are too stupid to realize that when a woman does something like that, she is trying to exalt herself at the expense of making a man look bad, and that is wrong. If she upheld the values stated in this interview, I would respect that , but don't be a hypocrite.
C’mon people must stop dancing Around the real issue and determinant FACT. Stop that BS about low or high level of testosterone to be “granted/denied Womanhood “ . Was she born with XY chromosomes or XX ? Regardless of the Phenotype ( =physical appearance ) ????
Shut up Clarissa, you wanted to fight Golovkin, then called out Keith saying you would beat him, and you were serious, all of a sudden women shouldn't fight men because is unfair? You saw what could happen to you and said screw that.
Totally 💯 agree with with Claressa Shields on point, end of discussion, as long as it’s between a for real 😧 woman against a woman, or a for real 😧 man against a for real 😧 man, check mate.
Thanks for your ownes honestly ! Because she is Muslim and she comes from Algeria das why they bring all this topic on the news believe me , we know how this world go's round . We are all the some people . Respect and peace. Don't put your finger to someone you don't know, see it before you talk or you read. 2024 we stell have things like this happening.
She has condition DSD which means she was born female but could of been born male her body got confused in the womb so was born with female parts but male hormones,so has the strength and body mass of a male and still shouldnt of been able to fight
Everyone is initially a female until the DNA of the sperm kicks in and determines that one will become a male and then the testosterone levels rise and the anatomy of a male begins. Someone like this boxer began to transition in the uterus but something went wrong and they end up with internal male organs like testicles.
True Intersexed females present as males ONLY at birth before puberty after puberty they are FULLY female sometimes functional females they LOOK female. Intersexed males present as females even raised as female ARE MALES XY and develop into looking masculine with a larger muscle mass , BONE MASS and gonads develop to produce HIGH levels of testosterone. They are in fact MALE. There is literally no excuse for Imane he knew what he was doing and did it anyway. He should be banned from the sport.
Per the IBA's 2023 statement: She "did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors." This was the result of a "separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential" - so we don't know WHAT they tested for, what the results were, or literally anything about her. Not only that, she competed in the championships in 2021 and 2022 under the IBA and they allowed her to compete with no issue. They also only disqualified her in 2023 AFTER she beat an 'undefeated' Russian boxer, so they had a vested interest as a Kremlin-owned organization to invalidate Khelif's win. Stop repeating Russian misinformation. Stop attacking innocent biological women to justify your hatred of trans women. You're pathetic.
Swyer Syndrome doesn't give you the testosterone levels of a young man. If you have HIGH levels of testosterone, you either have testicles or you are using synthetic testosterone. Ovaries nor Adrenaline glands can produce high levels of testosterone consistently. Testicles is the only organ known to biology that can produce testosterone to those type of levels.
@jpapillon47 the excuses that I'm getting are that he had Swyer Syndrome due to the XY chromosome due to the gender test. Then they say he has hyperandrogenism because he has high testosterone levels. How many different conditions does this individual have??? 🥱
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Thanks Clarissa for speaking up! Finally someone from the boxing world being nuanced and reflected.
But she is wrong Khalif was not tested by the IBA for testosterone, he was tested to see if he was a woman and he wasn't.
The internet can make anything real. People read the headlines, not the facts.
Which "facts" are you speaking about?
@@paolopetrozzi2213 false reports that Khelif was a man who transitioned to a woman, that they tested her chromosomes and she failed. The facts are that none of that was true. It doesn’t rule out that she has unusually high testosterone levels (ie. Female bodybuilders), but she’s not trans, nor ever submitted a chromosome test.
People read it online and ran with it.
@@sdot7117
"People read it online and ran with it." Which is exactly what you did.
At birth, his male genitalia were not evident (DSD syndrome), hence he was wrongly recorded as a woman. Checking the wrong box while filling out a paper doesn't magically change your sex. But because of that mistake, he was believed to be a girl, and this is the sad part.
He has never "transitioned" from male to female, as he already "was" a female, therefore he is not even a trans.
He was disqualified from the Women's World Championships for failing a gender ineligibility last year: they discovered he had XY chromosomes, and this only confirmed the wrong sex assignment made at birth. But the woke 2024 Olympics have "different rules". In other words, woke rules, rules that allow men to punch women in the face while making it an Olympic discipline.
@@sdot7117 He is a man. You must be blind to not see it
this is why evil ppl tell good ppl to be good ppl. they on the top of the food chain controlling the narrative/drama/story/agenda
I just Gained even more respect to Shields. Great interview, and so honest.
Finally, someone who is THINKING
She is correct. trans should fight trans🥊
They are not trans…
Trans ex man vs trans ex woman?
Why is this not viral!
Because she’s telling the truth
Because there's nothing here to sensationalize and politicize.
It actually is. It’s a hot topic that’s been discussed on all major sports networks and even CNN.
Good for her for being responsible in her comments and not contributing to the misinformation campaign against those two female boxers. The real question is why are strong female athletes always heavily scrutinized? Serena Williams went through this her whole career. And, more importantly, why isn’t any media outlet actually talking about the fact that many women have high levels of testosterone? It’s a condition that can cause Polycystic ovary syndrome, among other conditions. Once again, women are being shamed for medical conditions they were born with or developed. First JD Vance mocking women who can’t have children and now the world attacking two female athletes who have a different medical condition. WHY is it that women are always attacked and blamed? Media needs to do better!
i still think its a half arsed apology. "i only said that becuase thats what people told me" - is a horrifying example of what's wrong with the world. She still seems unaware that's the problem, and doesn't encourage people to not fall into the same trap. She's done most of the damage already along with a lot of high profile people who either have apologised or buried heads in the sand, so I can atleast applaud her attempting to remedying it.
Here we go. The IOC does NOT do genetic testing. So technically, a male can compete in the women’s category. The fact that the IOC accepts a passport as proof is laughable. So science cannot determine sex but a passport can? The IOC had been warned about male boxers wanting to compete with women and the IOC did NOTHING. The tests that were ordered by the IBA showed that those two people are XY. They are MALE. It is possible that Khelif was “assigned” female at birth but during puberty they must have realized something was not right. There are people who are born with DSDs and they vary. Don’t bring women with PCOS into this nonsense. Because only women get that. And guess what? If testosterone levels are high then measures can be taken to lower it. How do you reduce maleness? You can’t.
SHE SOUNDS LOGICAL
I'm sure we can find out the chromosomes in a dna test since they say female....the high testosterone and taking women's scholarships and breaking thru helmets etc.
Imane had a penis, there's a few sources saying "testosterone" but it doesn't make. Imane is a crook/cards.
@@tall9804 ?
You ain't slick.
You mean IGNORANT
CORRECT!! CLARESSA YOU GO GURL!!!
Fuck no, shes an hypocrite. She wanted to fight Thurman
Expressions like " You go girl " and "slay Queen" are so cringe and embarrassing .
@@pt-7890embarrassing to you.
Remember when she said she wanted to fight Keith Thurman?
sparring dude not a real fight did you even watch the clip ?
What does this have to do with that?
exactly now she is going scientific to cover her track lol
@@2quick2c35 she was just promoting herself before she wasn't serious but im sure she will take the fight if they said it would earn her 10million
2:05
The fighter fought IBA fights in 2020 and 2022 that required the same testing. The Russian president of the IBA which is controlled by the Russian government claimed the fighter had xy chromosomes after she defeated a Russian fighter in the 2023 world championship. It’s a huge scandal.
Thank you, I read the same thing & came to the same conclusion
Did u by any chance hear anything on the asian fighter ,or is it all just b.s ?
She has x and y chromosomes, which only MALE humans can have x and y at the same time. 😊
It's not a scandal, China and Algeria have two actual men fighting in the women's division lol. Imane withdrew her aggravation to the results of the gender testing because why fight it if you know your a man? lol
@@dan-ishaqabrahams9589Scientifically, you are completely wrong One out of every 1,000 women is born with a genetic disorder called aneuploidy Or triple X syndrome Her voice, hair, or physical structure is not what defines a man or a woman It is not strange that everyone becomes scientists now
Thank you for only speaking on what you know Ms. Shields
This woman is very honest and have a good boxing, spirit
The Olympics didn’t issue the gender test. So in this sense, she’s correct.
A previous boxing organization (IBA or IBO) issued the gender test, and XY chromosomes were found. Which is why the fighter was banned in the other organization. This was confirmed by someone from the organization and from the WBO who was involved previously at the other organization. Both were high ranking officials within their organizations. Note, neither of them have been sued for defamation.
To my knowledge the Olympics simply checked the birth certificate and passport.
This is a complicated subject. I wouldn’t base my opinion on what shields finds out. There’s a few boxing writers who are all over this story. Mike Montero is one to look into if you want the full story.
Testosterone can also be used to strengthen your body.
Right, but that's on top of her having an x and Y chromosome
You speak as if you're Gods
Testosterone plus XY gives a woman closer to a male's strength and muscle mass. Will not be equal when fighting a woman with female readings.
@@piroskaracz3621 XY makes that "woman" a male. They both were made aware of their failed test results and have continued to cheat.
She's respectful!
So... She says she doesn't remember being tested for testosterone...because the "drug" testing for possible doping intake is the test where they can also see if you have too high testosterone level and as far as I know most of the sport players have to take the drug test to be sure that they are not in advantage compared to other players... Which happened to Khalif, they didn't go and check that just because they tought she looks like a man, it's just that the drug test shows levels of t. And if a "woman's" test results are too high in comparisone to other woman it can only be due to her taking the doping or if she biologicaly has male chromosomes, which is not her fault at all but still she is stronger of all women. It's as if a boxer of 100kg wants to box a guy who is 66kg, it's not same category. If he is 100kg, that's too strong of a punch for a guy of 66kg.
The IBA said they never tested for testosterone.
That they tested to see if the person is XY or XX.
The IBA can't post the results without the consent of the boxers, but the boxers themselves can post them.
They could have taken this to the CAS, but that would mean that like with Caster, we will know exactly what test was done by IBA.
@@tarnw3301 This is a lie, stop fucking lying.
The report from the IBA never said why she was disqualified at all, and refused to say what was actually tested. You can literally look up the statement online in five seconds. The claim about her chromosomes came from Umar Kremlev, the CEO of the IBA, on Russian state media and the IBA itself never once supported what he said as an organization. You're repeating Russian misinformation.
@@tarnw3301 They had the opportunity to appeal the IBA decision and neither of them went through with it because they knew they were male. Caster went on to father two children! Khelif and Lin weren't the only boxers that failed IBA gender tests that year. There were a total of 5. So there's a growing problem.
Im Italian and our girl worked so hard for this, she said that she never been punched so hard in her life so he left because she felt in danger
The olympics should be about have a fair level playing field, If they are going to let people compete who have an advantage from more than training, That is not fair, I think if they dont make this right, tham who wants to compete???why work your but off then have to go against who has an advanage,this will hurt the olympics. I dam sure woulnt like an olympics that is ahead before you even start.
Carini was stolen. Khelif is a man
Guess what she’s not the best boxer that’s what the Olympics are about!
@@blackgold3998 ofc but go to read about the testosterone level and then open your mouth
@@panzer5698 she is not the boxer , she just wanted sympathy from fellow Karens
It's not about the testosterone, it's the x Y-chromosome. That's the difference, don't make excuses.
Do a 2 minute mouth swab. It will tell everyone mail or female way. Doesn't that ever come out?😮
The problem is the fact that he has a Y Chromosomes is the problem. Not Testosterone.
A man fight a woman 😢 we’re doomed 😮
Yes we are!
You just accelerate it.😂
You got it claressa but keep on researching. Khalif was born with (DSD) or disorders of sexual development. So she may be a woman but there was a mutation in her chromosomes which make her have some male characteristics such as high testosterone and male features in general. It's not a black and white issue and I feel like it's still not fair for these individuals to fight regular women. It's a complex problem that needs to be discussed and figured out by the commission.
But his condition only affects humans with Y chromosomes- males. So he's a male with a male health condition. It's not like a woman with PCOS. Women's sports don't exist to accommodate every male who can't compete with his peers.
Was it more than that the balls had not dropped? Some say it was not an intersex case. So was it?
@@lll9409 no, khalif is a woman with a lot of testosterone.
Please fight that guy.
Higher testosterone during development ages develops denser bones, greater lung capacity and larger wing span. Higher testosterone during development will cause a person to grow stronger, in other words, than a biological woman.
Now women can't fight women.🙄
Twitter brain rot on full display.
Plain and simple have these biological males physically check to see their penis, testicular’s and prostate, fu*k a blood test !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what are you saying? Imane should fight men as a woman? , pleased tell us !
@@blackgold3998 I didn't say anything of the kind, just stating fact. You are the one who drew more conclusions from it. Why be so defensive against stated facts? You want the facts to remain unstated? Please tell us.
@@kaytaylormath answer the question, the Algerian female boxer Imane Khelif where should she participate? Or what should she do to meet your expectations? What should she change ? Who should she be? Please tell me 🙏🏾
The world has become a really sad place when people don't know, or are afraid to say what a woman is in comparison to a man.
My question is where are the feminist!!????!! Girl power !! Crickets !
They are being told they are racist, anti muslim😂
XX competes with XX and XY competes with XY end of story no ifs ands or buts that should be law. simple as that and no controversy. When there is enough of the other categories to compete against each other start a category for them until then, tough luck find something else like anything else. Lost count of how many times my life has actually suffered because I did not fit into a category to get help I needed. Nevermind to compete in sport for medal my life has never been that good or lucky. I have never been treated special or given handouts and don't whine or complain I suck it up keep going. just like losing your job, you learn a new skill and find a new job and keep going. Sick of the excuses
What about XXY and XYY? What if they have a uterus and no male bits? What if they are intersex?
Why do you even care? You're not in the sport, you're not on the Olympics committee. You're only in it because it's in the news.
@@novabigstar1509 No Y in XX game. It is that simple.
Intetsex are mostly mutated/sick xy. There is no male without Y, but all males have also X in it. So having Y no matter how many Y or X should disqualify.
It is a safety issue not a feel good thingy.
No matter how you insult Russians IBA, their explanation is clear cut, Khelif & Lin Yu Tong have XY DNA chromosome, that failed their eligibility, simple, no argument, it is Olympics IOC which likes to argue with common sense and medical science.
there are XY females but they're rare.
What people are leaving out is the length of time hormones (whether supplement or created in the body because someone has DSD) have been strengthening the bones for years and years. That is an unfair advantage over an XX woman whose bones and muscle were developed over years by estrogen.
Anyone can start taking testosterone blockers right before a competition in order to make it look like they have no advantage but the "damage" has already been done. They've already built up their bone and muscle over years by having that long-term testosterone advantage.
A new rule has got to be applied to level the playing field or else actual skill, which is what the competition is about, is no longer a factor.
Or it’s because she beat a Russian boxer and vlad got pissy.
@@lenajackson5448 XY humans are in fact MALE. Intersexed DSD males who present as females at birth due to genitalia deformities have the organs of a male just misaligned and underdeveloped until puberty. In Puberty those males who presented and were raised as females their testes will develop internally and their body mass and muscle mass will increase into full male adults that look like males like we see in Imane. There is literally no excuse for Imane who knowingly entered competitions even after being outed for being a man posing as a woman he was even given the opportunity to appeal and did not go through with it. We all know why.
Why haven’t the Russian shown the results of the test to the IOC ?
@@mrdenson3101 Look even DSD women you would NEVER wonder if they are women. DSD women look feminine they have feminine organs. DSD men look like females BEFORE puberty but develop into what Imane looks like. I get it in Algeria Imane and family would probably be killed for this ruse and why Imane keeps going with this farce but enough is enough.
He was tested for his chromosomes and has XY chromosomes that's why his testosterone is high.
If her test says she is more intersex...That is perhaps what is indicated in the testing.. This is very unfortunate...the rules are not in her favor..
Except the test DOESN'T say she's intersex. We don't know WHAT the test results were, or even what kind of test she was given. Per the IBA's official statement:
"Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a *separate and recognized test*, whereby the *specifics remain confidential*. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes *did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria* and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."
Nothing about chromosomes, nothing about XY, nothing even about testosterone. You're repeating Russian isionformation they manufactured because their 'undefeated' boxer got beaten by Khelif in 2023.
A person can be intersex male or intersex female
Just test for XY Chromosomes. XY Chromosomes equals Male, end of story.
What about xxy chromosomes?
You know nothing about biology. Don't try and bring up a biological issue when you've read somewhere about chromosomes without being versed on the issue. If you're a layman, like you are, then Ability to give birth = woman. Period = woman. You know nothing about chromosones
It doesn’t. Women can in fact have XY chromosomes while otherwise being a naturally born woman, it’s called Swyer syndrome.
It means they have XX sexual chromosomes, which means they have XX sexual organs, but otherwise everything else is XY. This is likely the case for Khelif which is why she has more male features but likely has female sexual organs.
@iterationfackshet1990 swyer syndrome is actually an intersex male, no ovaries but a functioning uterus with no ability to reproduce on their own.
Kitty kat is a kitty kat, sword is a sword. That's the bottom line we can't always go by chromosome
Completely agree with Clarissa
Both ladies also participated in the 2016 Rio olympics and the 2020 Tokyo olympics and lost to other women who were better
Trans Versus Trans.
"Let them fight" -Dr. Ichiro Serizawa
She been trying to fight Keith Thurman for years 😅, I'm glad she can finally put that conversation to bed. Women should fight women and Men should fight men.
She need to fight da trans boxer
They did that to a South African woman, born a woman, with a high level of testosterone compared to other women. It's sad for real/ I agree with Claressa.
You dont know what your talking about shields
This is an excellent analysis and critique Clarissa. Without realizing it she's pointing out that there's something fishy and bogus about the entire process.
It's too late to recover from that rumor. It's already done!
Women’s sports are done. Men will own them soon.
The best appoach ive seen on the subject. 100% agree with every perspective she took
It’s not the look. It’s the male chromosomes. They didn’t speak on that.
I'm sure we can find out the chromosomes in a dna test since they say female....the high testosterone and taking women's scholarships and breaking thru helmets etc
If she’s calling out Thurman, she should fight Imane.
She'd beat the hell out of Imane lol
Iman is a natural woman
An Italian boxer, a brilliant and intelligent actress, she had an planB which was to cry and exaggerate to gain sympathy and eliminate the Algerian game
Why did the Hungarian boxer complete all the rounds and not complain
You're a legend for real. You've said such good things and you can tell your heart is good. Respect
Claressa finally found her opponent.
There is a photo of Khelif sparring where a male cup boxing pad. Is this typical for women boxers? And what ever happened to the eye test, Khelif looks very masculine..
Claressa is already protecting herself from this fight.
C Sheild is right!!
No, she’s not.
Measuring testosterone (for PED) is done by a T/E ratio (testosterone to epitestosterone). The IBA found both Imane and Lin Yu Ting to have evidence of XY chromosomes.
I think if you're born with both X and Y chromosomes than you shouldn't be able to complete against other women because this is genetically a male trait. They should have a separate division for these athletes.
Agreed. Testosterone and XY gives more male strength and build. Not equally balanced fight
If you don't even know how to use then and than correctly, you probably shouldn't have an opinion on anything. 😂
Even after the poor woman got beat up, the Olympic committee has added INSULT TO INJURY by trying to make the WOMAN apologize .....😑smfh
Best commentary on this yet 🙌🏿
When u fighting Thurman?
😂😂😂she think we forgot😂
@@DarryllThompson-ow7sf What exactly is remember that supposed to do on this topic?
@@JMJ479meaning what ever she saying now is bulshit
@@chazayah5985 No it means you are slow. Her personally wanting to fight men, does not mean women as a whole should have to fight men.
The algerian has 9 losses on her record. She only has 5 K.O.s on her record. She has over 40 fights.
See, finally, a person who is keeping it real and able to backtrack and take a closer look. Everyone else has lost their damn minds without getting and understanding the facts. She just earned even more respect from me straight up.
Congrats TMZ - you found a woman boxer who supports men boxing with women.
It sucks that u went on fox and gave them talking points off of gossip… when women time of the month comes… what do you think you produce?
The boxer wasn't taking testosterone, she was born with and x and Y chromosome. That's why they checked her levels before competing.
@@cici38494that’s a false report.
XY is a male I think
She should have done her research before she went to national TV
What research could see rely on?... the media? Come on. She's receiving the same information we're all getting?
Research about what I’m lost… she literally said that there was a false narrative & saying what she believes… there’s nothing to do research on except when has testosterone testing been allowed in women’s boxing
Her and just about everybody else. At least she came back and clarified once she learned. I'm not seeing many others do that.
The boxer was born a female on the outside (probably no male genitalia) but genetically is a male with XY chromosomes and high testosterone levels so most likely there are male genitalia inside (testicals didn’t descend) which causes the high T.
These are biological men. They aren't transgender but they are men.
This is where the road ahead for competitive boxing and all sports begins to get fuzzy. If in fact these are two biological women and one of them has a medical condition that allows her testosterone level to become let's say three times it's normal range then this adds another component to how to class fighters in the future. It's for this very reason why we have weight divisions. You can't put a welterweight fighter inside the ring with a heavyweight. It just wouldn't be a fair competitive fight. The welterweight would be taking maximum damage and be getting KO'ED by simple jab punches.✊😳✊
In order for a fighter to have a fair chance to compete against a person with that much testosterone in her system it would require them to cheat to be competitive which is already what's been happening in sports anyway unfortunately so. People want you to believe that in order to be a champion amongst champions all you have to do is work hard and train hard. Trust me when I say that will never be enough. As long as anabolics such as Stanozolol 💉 and other PEDs like Nandrolone or Trenbolone💊 exist the world of competitive sports will never be fair ever.🙏
The only way I think they could make it "fair" is if they have a Trans division 🤷🏽♂️ where the men > women and women > men might be round the testosterone level she might be at. As of now I say kitty kat is a kitty kat and a sword is a sword
It’s not. This is an example of people jumping to conclusions trying to fit their anti trans views. BUT THEY GOT IT WRONG…AGAIN!! She was born female, she has always been female. If this was a test in school you wound’t give the point to the person who failed. Her body naturally produces more testosterone than average, just like how Michael Phelps has double jointed ankles allowing them to bend 15% more than other swimmers, are you going to argue that make him more likely to be a lizard person… no (I hope not but I don’t have faith in you anyways 🤷🏾♀️). Transphobia hurts non trans people everyday. That’s not the fault of trans people it’s the fault of the people who can “always tell 🤓👆🏾” but are wrong time and time again. Put the blame where it belongs, this isn’t a difficult concept 😐
The problem is that no other woman athlete has been tested for their chromosomes or testosterone levels just because "they don't look like it" so you cannot just say anything about Khalife and Yu Tong because there's just nothing to compare their tests with!
What if we had beautiful women boxers whose tests said otherwise? But you don't have the tests results for them. You are only fixated on how Imane and Lin "look" i.e, masculine, which is a very wrong assumption.
Sorry, being a "woman" is entirely determined by whether random guys on Twitter currently think you're hot enough. Those are just the rules now.
You’re 100%right. If this Algerian boxing lady were from a western country, this would not be an issue.
Say that after you get punched in the face
Seems like people are questioning the chromosome test which allegedly the two woman failed. Why don't they just do another one then and clear this whole thing up? I believe they are very simple to do. My belief is that the Olympic Comittee knew that they have xy chromosomes and let them fight anyway. Otherwise why not just do the tests?
You got played and your words were put to add to spread misinformation. Before you speak on things get your facts or level of understanding together
She makes a lot of sense!
Keith Thurman is laughing his ass off right now…
God, you're so close to getting it, to understanding that sex isn't binary and that chromosomes do not represent sex.
Hard to believe you even exist.
Thank you, Claressa! Very logical conversation. And I completely agree that just because a woman has a "manly appearance," does not mean they are a man. @3:13 -- yep, MTG for example. One of the biggest critics, and rudest people to anyone who she deems as "others," but looks like a man herself. I can't. 🙄
Thanks Clarissa for clearing up your previous Fox interview, most wouldn’t do that
Testosterone testing is simply a loophole. As the last time I saw Claressa get in the ring with a man, she got knocked down badly. The whole thing is beyond absurd.
Yes yes... All male and females have different levels of testosterone.... And yes this makes people feel more raged or less raged... And yes as a straight man I don't have that much testosterone and and not overly aggressive... But I competed.. very much enjoy a good fight .. and don't mind my body being hammered by punishment... Did testosterone thing is completely different.. becomes very confusing
You fight himher Claressa I would pay to see that
Imane not ready for Shields come on now 😂
If i was so CUTE, no matter if male of female, i'd think twice before voting/signing that when a kid go to crash a party because he's salty for he wasn't invited, police should force the hosts to humor him.
To all the people that got something bad to say about Clarissa shields on her go home and look at your amam thats the man that should be boxing
I agree with everything Claressa said in this interview. However, wasn't Claressa challenging a MALE boxer to a fight a while back??? That makes her comments in this interview seem like a contradiction. It seems that she was only challenging him to get attention or because she knew he would not accept, and she gets no respect for that. Some of you are too stupid to realize that when a woman does something like that, she is trying to exalt herself at the expense of making a man look bad, and that is wrong. If she upheld the values stated in this interview, I would respect that , but don't be a hypocrite.
But you stay trynna call out men to box ?
Preach! I want this fight to happen lol
I’m with her standing on whatever that’s happening now but it just doesn’t go with what she been trynna do
She be having fun with it. GWOAT do what she want
Absolutely!!Thats right
Clarissa 2023: “Fight me Keith Thurman!”
Clarissa 2024: “Women should fight women.”
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I agree too‼️
It depends on which news outlet you listen to.
That's true and sad to much misinformation we live in confusion.
She dont think she can beat Keith Thurman
I wonder if Claressa would pass the test? 😊
would your mom pass the test?
@keionbarmoh8712 now that is the question 🎯
Yet she wouldn’t mind fighting a male pro boxer
C’mon people must stop dancing Around the real issue and determinant FACT. Stop that BS about low or high level of testosterone to be “granted/denied Womanhood “ . Was she born with XY chromosomes or XX ?
Regardless of the Phenotype ( =physical appearance ) ????
Shut up Clarissa, you wanted to fight Golovkin, then called out Keith saying you would beat him, and you were serious, all of a sudden women shouldn't fight men because is unfair? You saw what could happen to you and said screw that.
I agree with her 100% even though it sounds confusing it makes sense🤷♂️
thank you!!
finally wise and objective comment.
If you don't believe me go to 1:38 and watch closely at her mouth...
Wow I saw it. It's like her middle bottom teeth disappear and the side ones become Canines
Totally 💯 agree with with Claressa Shields on point, end of discussion, as long as it’s between a for real 😧 woman against a woman, or a for real 😧 man against a for real 😧 man, check mate.
Thanks for your ownes honestly ! Because she is Muslim and she comes from Algeria das why they bring all this topic on the news believe me , we know how this world go's round . We are all the some people . Respect and peace. Don't put your finger to someone you don't know, see it before you talk or you read.
2024 we stell have things like this happening.
I just looked it up on Google and it's called Klinefelter syndrome but still indicates male gender because of the y chromosome
Is being tested i remember the South Africa Gold medal was tested with high level of testosterone
It's the same exact thing here, it's just the fact she whooped the shxt out of the Italy girl, now if she didn't NOBODY would be bxtching about it
@@bboynation101no Caster Semenya was a biological man with DSD. He fathered children with his own sperm ?
the reason she has high level of testosterone is because she has a y chromosome in her. females have xx and male have xy.
She has xx plus a y but she can have kids now tell me one man that can birth a whole baby I'm waiting....
@@minavamp2811that’s due to higher level of male hormones that her body produces naturally…
Lady can you please tell me what a xy or xx chromosome is? Since you're speaking on it?
She has condition DSD which means she was born female but could of been born male her body got confused in the womb so was born with female parts but male hormones,so has the strength and body mass of a male and still shouldnt of been able to fight
she is a woman
Everyone is initially a female until the DNA of the sperm kicks in and determines that one will become a male and then the testosterone levels rise and the anatomy of a male begins. Someone like this boxer began to transition in the uterus but something went wrong and they end up with internal male organs like testicles.
True Intersexed females present as males ONLY at birth before puberty after puberty they are FULLY female sometimes functional females they LOOK female. Intersexed males present as females even raised as female ARE MALES XY and develop into looking masculine with a larger muscle mass , BONE MASS and gonads develop to produce HIGH levels of testosterone. They are in fact MALE. There is literally no excuse for Imane he knew what he was doing and did it anyway. He should be banned from the sport.
Per the IBA's 2023 statement:
She "did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors." This was the result of a "separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential" - so we don't know WHAT they tested for, what the results were, or literally anything about her. Not only that, she competed in the championships in 2021 and 2022 under the IBA and they allowed her to compete with no issue. They also only disqualified her in 2023 AFTER she beat an 'undefeated' Russian boxer, so they had a vested interest as a Kremlin-owned organization to invalidate Khelif's win.
Stop repeating Russian misinformation. Stop attacking innocent biological women to justify your hatred of trans women. You're pathetic.
Enough said.
I was told he suffers from a rare genetic condition called Swyer Syndrome or XY gonadal dysgenesi
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Swyer Syndrome doesn't give you the testosterone levels of a young man. If you have HIGH levels of testosterone, you either have testicles or you are using synthetic testosterone. Ovaries nor Adrenaline glands can produce high levels of testosterone consistently. Testicles is the only organ known to biology that can produce testosterone to those type of levels.
@Ajox191 from my understanding, the testicules grow inside
@jpapillon47 if he has XY chromosomes and also produces high levels of testosterone, then he's a guy.
@jpapillon47 the excuses that I'm getting are that he had Swyer Syndrome due to the XY chromosome due to the gender test. Then they say he has hyperandrogenism because he has high testosterone levels. How many different conditions does this individual have??? 🥱
Tmz owned by hollywood
same with peds, test all no just a few fighters