The Full Story of Vault 11 - Vault-Tec's Most Atrocious Experiment - Fallout New Vegas Lore
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Note: I should have made clear in the video that in the real Milgram Experiment, the person was not actually shocked. He was an actor, who screamed and banged on a door begging to be let out. The person pushing the button still thought the actor was really being shocked, but was assured that the shock would do no permanent damage.
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Note: I should have made clear in the video that in the real Milgram Experiment, the person was not actually shocked. He was an actor, who screamed and banged on a door begging to be let out. The person pushing the button still thought the actor was really being shocked, but was assured that the shock would do no permanent damage.
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Oxhorn im 8 and this vid is depressing but information of the game
The Fallout games are all pretty depressing
Oxhorn, you are correct. Nobody was actually given an electrical shock. But here is another interesting fact; The actor in the experiment was not visible to the real subject and at one point was instructed to stop screaming. Then the real subject was instructed to continue to shock him, which of course he did. I have often wondered if the actor was a different gender or age (like a child) how that would have played out. A pretty cruel experiment, and yet so revealing that people still cite it. It has now been declared so unethical by the scientific community as to be banned. I have to wonder if that was the real reason or if it was because the conclusion was just too disturbing. Maybe both.
Oxhorn Wait wait YOU said in the Munitemen are humanity' best hope video, that if you attack he institute with the minutemen that Preston tells you to ring the evacuatiln alarm, and he scolds yoj if you dont necause they're not about that!
The plot about this vault could have been a fucking movie script.
A truly great bit of commentary on the human condition.
Its the belko experiment
Isn't the concept of this Vault based on a Novel which is called ''The Lottery''?
I think that there were some film adaptions too
Not Science Short story, not a novel. But yes, it's linked in the description of this video too.
Ya, would have been an excellent twilight zone episode.
Vault-tec: "It's just a prank, bro."
JadedNomad The 100th like.
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JadedNomad vault 11 in a nutshell
tasteful.
Vault-tec did the original: ''Social experiment gone wrong??!!?''
I think my favourite part of this vault is that you willingly step into the sacrificial chamber, all because you want to know _why._ Sure there’s quest items, but that’s hardly an average reason for someone to enter what is clearly a death trap. You enter that chamber and play along because you, just like the residents, want an explanation for all the death that took place, even if it takes walking into the maw of the beast.
Also just so over the top that the execution method was a swarm of robots and turrets. Just stupidly overkill cause why not?
I’d be surprised if that very concept hasn’t spawned an experiment in the real world. Similarly to being told to by an authority, how far will a person go to satisfy their curiosity?
Quicksaves baby!
@@IkeFanBoy64 in my head, I think it's because Vault-Tec wanted the other residents to know the overseer die in a horrific way, to keep fear alive in the populace. Truly and fully, fuck them motherfuckers.
The fact that you can save, learn, die, then reload with the knowledge does help tho
It's incredibly sad that in one of the tapes Katherine says only her husband calls her Kate, and a lot of the posters ended up changed to say "I Hate Kate".
Do you think that this is an indicator that her husband is the graffiti culprit? I suppose it's possible but it really still could have been anybody
@@Kyle-nm1khit was her. She did it, because her entire goal was to be nominated overseer
@@ntfoperative9432 ah yes. She could either 1) call herself Kate or 2) frame her husband by saying that only he calls her that. It would match with her motive to become overseer
Other people in the vault call her Kate, but she doesn’t like it. That was part of that tape where she was correcting the interviewer. I imagine other people did the graffiti as lots of people probably call her “Kate” behind her back.
Well her husband was endorsed to be overseer so likely he became the overseer and died and Kate wants revenge.
Justice Bloc: Votes for Kate to be overseer
Kate: Abolishes voting
Justice Bloc: n o w w a i t a m i n u t e
Justice Bloc: *say sike right now*
Kate uses Uno reverse card
Kate is the ultimate sike
Justice bloc: so this means war
Sierra Rain dammit you beat me to the joke
Vault Tec's slogan: "It's just a social experiment, bro!"
Aidan Millward lol
Vault tec: the Sam Pepper of fallout???
TheDank Knight1399 "yo dude! I know we just pumped you full of FEV and gave your kids psychoactive drugs, but check it: you on camera Bruh! You on TH-cam!"
Aidan Millward
Brilliant comment!!
GONE SEXUAL GONE WRONG IN THE HOOD
I could imagine Vault-Tec as a fantastic animated series on Netflix.
Maybe 15-20 minute episodes, in the style of Love, Death & Robots. Gory, 18 rated, dark, and each episode a short standalone story.
60s Americana version of black mirror
Now that's an idea frfr
Every episode starts with a vault dweller walking away from the camera with the vault number on their back as a start. Sometimes a grizzled old man and sometimes a child but it always starts the same way
@@gibraltar2843that sounds neat
Or like a black mirror collab
The writing of Fallout New Vegas is so amazing. They never outright tell you what's happening, only leaving breadcrumbs behind for you to follow. The stories behind these vaults are so realistic it's sometimes scary.
Not just fallout new Vegas 😒🙄😴
@@alphakennyone8 Irrelevant to this video and comment.
@@LewdSCP1471A Not really, we're talking about vault tec after all.
@@alphakennyone8Goofy.
Obsidian vs Bethesda writing... you can tell which is better here
“Vault-Tec” would be a great Netflix series. Each episode is a different vault
Edit: did not expect this comment to catch fire like this
New edit: who’s excited for the Fallout TV Series!!!!
It would probably start off with a vault that it is bad and as new episodes are made and the vaults get more and more twisted and sick.
Thats honestly facts
Yes!
And the story writers should be from Obsidian... If that's possible.
Can't wait for the Vault 69 episode
"Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
To which that statement makes you concerned about what the left is doing to it's voter base, and now they are insane , practically frothing at the mouth to commit violence against anyone right of their ideals.
Agent Exeider, it isn’t just some left wing politicians. Some right wing politicians have also done that
@@franciscomm7675 agreed!
Agent Exeider the absurdity here is that this is exclusive to one side of the landscape, as if the sun only shines on the darkness on one side of a mountain. Ignorant, naive worldview.
@@AgentExeider Let's put it the most truthful way possible. If your group comes before you valuing life then you're officially a cult member, regardless of sides.
For me the "scariest" part is that the execution is so brutal and undignified. I was expecting something like gas or like one gun aimed at the back to shoot the person but no it's a bunch of robots and turrets absolutely blasting the person.
Probably would run out of gas sooner than later. Robots can also run out of bullets but they can just stomp you to death or something
not to mention normal people would die almost immediately but the courier built different
Ohhh, a new vault, let's see how people been holding up.
*30 minutes later*
"we live in a society..."
I think that the story of Vault 11 would make an excellent short film
miserydtd oh my god you’re onto something there..
Full movie material.
this vault story reminds me with "something something eight" i forgot the title.
Especially the gang rape scene
I'm I messed up for laughing when learning that they were forced to sacrifice every overseer
"Here at Vault-Tec, your safety is our number 1 priority!"
*Looks at all the skeletons on the ground*
...Right.
*cracks knuckles then smashes loud speaker*
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The Wandering Writer Don't forget about all the Experiments and Vault Tech caused The Apocalypse....
I'd hate to see how disgustingly neglected their second priority is huh?
I might need a gun or two....grenades and a lot of armor to keep me safe from vault tec
Once I heard "the experiment requires you to sit in chair" I knew this was ripped directly from the Millgram obedient experiements. If they later put the Stanford prison experiment in a vault I won't be surprised. Kudos to the writers knowing their messed up psychology history.
After a brief read on the SPE I'm curious how an experiment similar to that could even be conducted in a Vault setting.
@@BoopaKing just make it to where 1/3 of the vault was said to be communist sympathizers and the other group was brought to keep them under supervision and let abuse of power ensue
I'm pretty sure they did actually, but I'm unsure.
Such a sad life, Nathan and Katherine must have been outcasts within the vault the moment the justice department targeted them. Katherine truly loved her husband. I think at the moment of her death, she was content knowing she was the one to die instead of him & all that she suffered wasn’t in vain. I wish we got to see Nathan’s perspective of these events. Since he was the only one that calls her Kate, it can be lead to believe that he was the one that graffitied the “I hate Kate”, but I feel like it may have been Kate herself who did the graffiti to help her election. Judging by how devoted she was to Nate, Nate must have loved her just as deeply. That’s my take.
I don’t think that Nathan is the only one that calls her Kate.
When she says that, it’s after the lawyer calls her Kate. I think it was saying “YOU don’t get to call me that. Only my husband.” More like he’s the only one “allowed” to, and that she doesn’t like others to do the same.
It could have been her, or others, but I doubt it was Nate.
I’m sure running with this, their love is like the only good thing in this forsaken vault lol
I like to believe that it was Nathan who was the only survivor left, the only sane person remaining, that was saved not only by his wife but also his commitment to live as his way to thank her for her sacrifices for him
They weren't they were in the spotlight for envy.
Wasn't nate winning alot of poker?
Nathan died. He was selected as overseer. Did anyone here play the game? She made a deal with the biggest voting bloc. The deal was for Kate to sleep with them for Nate being spared. They slept with her and voted her husband as overseer anyways. After his death she made it her mission to become overseer to change the rules and in turn die. Such a messed up story.
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It is annoying to be reset several times for the same 5 minutes several times, I would roid the fuck up before any fight, it might be cheesing but I don’t think someone should feel the need to be as evil as they possibly could be to themself to make a game valid
@@imnotsmartbutimdumb Ain't nothing wrong with cheesing, and no shame to it. Just means you need more CHEMS.
Damn Fiends...
The story about Nathan and Katherine just breaks my heart. Being coerced to and having to endure being basically extorted and raped on multiple occasions in order to save a loved one, only to learn that it was all for naught.
It's one of the saddest vault stories in NV, I think. It's perfectly understandable why Kate would go crazy in a bid to save her husband.
She is a ride or die
@Gabe Batista Fucked up
But Funny
cuckolding in the apocalypse lol
@@DOMiNOUKAE insert my wife's son joke here
I believe the first Overseer knew the truth but was devoted to the experiment and Vault-Tec, it's telling in his parting words. I also think the four committed suicide, that's why the four shots are so quick and there's no sound of pain from anyone you'd predict from a less clean shot, which would happen in a defense scenario. The fifth was holding a gun because he was supposed to also shoot himself. He chooses not to, dropping the gun and leaving the vault.
But then why is there only one pistol, and not five?
@@ntfoperative9432 ncr and prospectors looted them?
@@joaovictor3312 Leaving precisely one gun? In the wasteland the most logical thing to do is take everything that might be useful, unless they were in a hurry for some reason, there's no way they're leaving stuff behind.
@@ntfoperative9432 imo more likely an error of communication than an intentional detail. I can imagine if the script changed or was poorly communicated it would be easy to mess up ("there were five people, four gunshots, then a gun falling to the ground" sounds a lot more like one person killed four people then dropped the gun and left, for example, if you didn't have the full dialogue as context). a lot of environmental storytelling in this game doesn't make sense if you consider looters and whatnot so no use really basing any substantial theories around it
@@joaovictor3312no, likely assisted suicide but the last guy didnt want to die
The moment when I walked out of the chamber and reread the posters... holy shit. That moment of full comprehension hurt almost as much as when I got up after turning on the tape and realize the door was locked, and actually started listening to the tape.
This experiment is actually one of the best, it has almost no Vault Tec interference. It's simply a test of human morality.
More like human nature, since most humans will do anything possible to survive, especially if it costs them nothing.
Its an unbalanced test of human morality in a survival situation. You are literally pitting the instincts that let us survive long enough to become capable of being the dominant species on this planet, versus communal bonds of a group that has JUST BEEN FORMED.
Forming communal bonds and obedience towards authorities ARE behaviors that let us survive and dominate the planet. Without them we would not be able to form larger, structured and coordinated groups to overcome greater threats that we can't overcome alone. This is basic herding instinct, and like all others, can, in certain situations works against us and be exploited. But in the end, they are as important as instinct of personal preservation or protecting relatives.
When human individuality gets thrown under the bus in favor of tribalism by people treating human nature as more of a rigid science than a flexible art, then you know you’ve just transitioned from life to a cruel form of role-play.
We’re like rats. We’ll do anything to survive
Bethesda - "No child skeletons in our games"
Obsidian "What? let's make a bus-full of child skeletons, eff 'em!"
When I came across that bus in the DLC I was honestly mortified
Hyper Mundane honest hearts?
TheFastLane Yep. In some river. You have to go there for the compass, I think
There's thst school in FallOut 3.There's cages filled with kid bones.
I found a child skeleton with an adult head in a baby carriage in Kendall Hospital.
I really can't stress how perfectly Obsidian made this vault. It deals out the story so well, in perfectly sized chunks.
When you first enter you'll just be confused by the holotape. Then as you explore you find the election posters and it just raises more questions as to why nobody wants to be Overseer.
The questions just grow as you get more information, until you find the speech holotape and then it all clicks and you realize how horrible this vault is.
And the final twist in the final chamber feels like you just got to the punch line of the darkest joke ever told.
It's incredible. Bravo, Obsidian, seriously.
When it first starts you see Kate as the evil one but by the end you end up sympathising with her and realising that Roy is the actual evil one who drove Kate to do what she did
? what part of that could possibly have you see kate as the evil one?
At the point of the twist I actually said "you bastards" out loud.
I launched into a tirad at my computer screen. I spent thirty minutes yelling at it.
Every vault is like walking into the aftermath of a Twilight Zone episode.
@@thejadedeagle6729 True. But still, Vault 11's story was heart-rending.
When I had to fight the robots the first time I got spooked as all hell and died prepared for it the 2nd time. And was like "huh so that's how they do it" and once i got the two recordings at the end I was screaming wtf and got chills for the first time in a while XD
i laughed. stumbled upon it while looting. i wasn’t at any risk of not surviving though so it was absolutely hilarious to me. got me again, Vault-Tec!
vault tech: you must sit in the chair
Oxhorn: YoU mUSt SiT In ThE ChAiR
Vault tech: You must sit in the chair
Literally everyone: i don't wanna sit in the chair
WELL I COULD USE A CHAIR, I’VE BEEN MARCHING AROUND THE BOSTON AIRPORT, MY LEGS ARE TIRED
The virgin vault tec: NOOOO PLEASE SIT IN THE CHAIR ITS IMPORTANT
The chad oxhorn: No.
Dunno why he says that vault tec can't be judged because it's thr post apocalypse, vault tec was literally pre war and built these vaults and experements beforehand and only puting them in action after the bombs
@@ba-ey1hu the experiments were pretty messed up tho... forcing people to basically cancel one another and vote for them to be killed is pretty nasty
Fun fact, Vault 11 was once the tomb of one of my characters, and I could not escape. Not in a "too stupid to progress" sense, but more the "I broke it" sense.
What happened was I did a lot of drugs and accidentally triggered a grenade bouquet. Because of all the drugs I was healing faster than I took damage, but the concussion still knocked me back, and I clipped through the floor and magically popped back into existence under the overseer's desk... without using the Overseer's terminal. There is no secondary terminal under there like there sometimes is in other vaults, and the quest prompt still had me looking for the password, so the robots didn't even trigger. I was just stuck, and couldn't leave because the game autosaved after I regained reality. I thought the situation was too funny and decided to keep to the spirit of the vault, and just started a new game.
that's one hell of a trip lmaooo
*wheeze*
I felt that the extreme guilt the final survivors felt prior to their suicides wasn't really as much about voting for a sacrifice year after year, but the total slaughter they just took part in, a slaughter that never needed to happen in the first place. Men, women and children all killed because they selfishly didn't want to face the option of they themselves being chosen. And then the crushing realization that it was all a ruse, just became the final straw that they couldn't handle
Damn the writing in New Vegas is so good.
Kyle Craig It’s because it was made by the developers of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. These guys actually cared and loved their series so they put a lot of effort into it.
Baptiste L. you're funny
Baptiste L. NV is currently the best 3d fallout game, better than F3 and better than F4
Because Bethesda didn't develop it.
alternatoast wait didn’t bethesda developer fallout 3? Cause that’s a good ass game second to new Vegas imo
Its actually one if the sadder vaults. Most are scary or so gross but this one was just straight up sad
Yeah, I find these vault more memorable. The sad and depressing ones that make us reflect vs the straight up evil ones which are just like, damn that's dark, the end.
@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777 never said it wasn't but we're talking about the vaults, not the wasteland.
@@yoyoheads I think what makes vault 11 uniquely sickening is that the worst things to happen within weren't at all engineered by Vault Tec - like the one they filled with drug addicts and hid a stash of drugs inside - and even worse, this one is one of the few that DOES hold some scientific merit - if anyone were left to observe the data anyway.
It's basically the Stanford Prison Experiment in a more political setup as opposed to just authority/not authority and not called off like Stanford was when things started getting seriously bad.
To me this is worse one personally can't imagine getting raped for a month and mind games all in one and plots politics I think anyone would Snape 🤔 I would Snape but wouldn't O.K the whole fault no I'd get revenge on all that was personally involved but hey that's just me 😂 I'm sure there's someone out there that would do fair worse or some into slow torture as revenge.
i think this has gotta one of my favorite vaults, watching this again i can remember the absolutely sickening feeling when i heard the automated response at the end, the fact that all those people were sacrificed for absolutely nothing, for a lie, was horrible. amazing video
Probably one of the best vaults in all of Fallout.
vault tec did nothing wrong. halo tv show did nothing wrong
Vault Residents: "I shouldn't. It's not the jedi way."
Vault Tech: "Dew it!"
x'D
He was too dangerous to be left alive
This is funnier as it should be😄
I wonder what would happen if the person flatly refuses to sit in the chair for a few days, would the System keep telling them to sit down or just start shooting?
I think they would eventually die of hunger or thirst
@@judithstal9073 you can survive about 2 weeks without food and around 2-4 days without water. Even if you don't have food, you could try sneaking in some water. I'd be more worried about sleeping. Would the robots just start shooting if you took a quick nap on the floor?
In this fictional universe we enjoy, We can only hope the "Geniuses" behind the various Vault experiments died a long slow pain filled life after the bombs fell.
It’s also possible that they would just show the film regardless
@@ViralMag_Ravager They probably had long, comfortable lives :( they are part of the kernel that formed the Enclave.
I wasn't expecting things to get so real near the end, but I'm glad it did. Thank you for making this video, not just because of the great storytelling about an amazing game quest, but for asking us to self-reflect a little bit. I think the moral here has become extremely and unfortunately poignant over the last few years.
It’s not just ‘the last few years’ (I know what you mean and agree wholeheartedly even more in retrospect of the sham that was created), but it’s the constant theme of humanity to skirt responsibility for the needs of the authority in charge. Holocaust, holodomor, Rwanda genocide…there’s so many modern examples, forget antiquity.
I came here expecting to watch an interesting video about a fault in fallout. When I found was an amazing tale, and a lesson all of us should learn. This was amazing, dude. Great, great job.
At the very least, the Sacrificial Chamber offers the sacrificed one last smoke and drink. XD
The Red Sterling Mc'Bae if I’m going out I’d at least like to be inebriated and numb from the strong drink, might make the pain go faster and not hurt as much. At least that’s how those whiskey and civil war doctor jokes go
SCP-4999, you might like it, at least I wish it was real
THIS IS A DISGRACE TO DEMOCRACY AND AMERICA
@@drycereal916 America is a disgrace to democracy. The Fallout world shows how even more rotten they may still become.
@Marechal Zolotoy awe... mad ur country isnt a superpower? Well that sucks sending good drone strikes your way 🙏🏻
Watching this video again and I wanted to remind everyone that we can judge Vault-Tec by pre-apocalypse morals since the vaults were built and experiments were defined before the apocalypse started. They 110% knew what they were doing.
Iirc vault tec wasnt doing these experiments just for kicks.
They knew humanity done goofed big time with the nuclear apocalypse coming, so they used the vaults to study various psychological aspects in order to devise a better society and humanity that wont fall for this.
Also, I think it was mentioned or implied somewhere that they were working on a generational ship to a distant star/planet, and the vault tech experiments were a way to test all the ways a group of people in a closed environment can die horribly and how it could be avoided
@@dango470 How very apologetic of you. Hitler and the National Socialist Party were also just interested in bettering the human race. They only murdered millions to wean out the weak and unfit. They were doing a service to the human race and therefore justified.
Right?
Right?
Or maybe … just maybe. Morality isn’t and should not be subjective and if you are actively crossing that moral barrier, then you are in the wrong and should be punished, not praised.
Evil is unjustifiable. The struggle to deny our natural inclination to depravity is what allows civilization to be possible. The darkness lives within every human’s heart. And the ability to become something more then that monster inside you is what the journey of humanity is all about.
The last paragraph of that sounded like the ending of a drama movie.
Lol
@@samueljacksin8461
Ah yes, reducto ad hitlerum
What really annoys me about this treatment of vault tech is that fallout pretends to be a grown up universe for grown ups, but somehow the bad guys are Saturday morning cartoon villains that love twirling their moustache and tying damsels to railroad tracks. It really undermines the entire sequence here, because why did vaultec do it? For the lulz? A villain doesn't have to be morally correct to be compelling, just not be a caricature. It makes the suicide thing at the end a joke instead of a tragedy, because no one, not even Hitler, was doing it for the evulz
The reason why the youth today is getting more and more radicalized and right wing parties are rising in popularity is precisely because of the lack of ability to portray opposing viewpoints as anything other than a caricatures and stupid pointless sadists. Then they get exposed to real fascists or whatever, and find out that actually they arent just twirling their moustache, they're pretty good at apologetics and have thought out their philosophy, and the youth is unaware of the counterpoints and arguments against it, and they are vulnerable to it. Not only are moustache twirling cartoon villains boring, they're a missed opportunity to train people in being able to defend their morality and viewpoint
I dont think Oxhorn thought his videos would be timeless but with the show im finding myself rewatching fallout lore to remind myself about different things 😂
I get immense "The Lottery" Vibes from this. In that story once a year a name is drawn and that person "Wins" that person is then stoned to death. I get the same sick feeling from this vote to become Overseer and it being a bad thing or my guess (As I haven't reached the video's climax) is a death sentence.
The writer was given the lottery and told to do something like that.. He didn’t read it but knew of the story and mixed a little of the other social experiments and came up with this..
@@Chey60 fascinating. Still freaky.
Vault tec: your safety is our number one priority
Dwellers: .... are you f***ing kidding
Markus Allen
puppet vault dweller: the vaults were never meant to save anyone
Vault dwellers: Am i a joke to you?
Congrats you're now on 69 likes
Proof that even the bombs couldn't eradicate meaningless corporate slogan bs that literally no one in the company ever follows.
Am I the only one that noticed he put 4 asterisks
The best vault in the Fallout series, the tragic and cruel events that occurred really show how messed up this universe is.
has nothing to do with that universe...it is a simple view on humanity.
To be honest fromn a pragmatic view this is probably one of the nicest experimental vaults out there. Only one death per year until that bif fight that killed everyone.
there are many many many vaults in all games were the inhabitants experienced way worse and/or died in much more horrible ways.
TravistheGREAT03 Fair point
Battlefield 1 it's true other vaults either suffer instant and mass deaths or slow and painful imprisonment in a virtual world even vault 87 that is conducting on fev to make muties which is a damned hell. Vault 11 had a soft and mercy experiment but like he said it was only until massacre happenab people can live semi-peacefully
I wonder if any of the future fallout games will have even worse vaults.
Forrest Gatewood consider the vast amount of vaults and we still haven't knew them all yet and they may had even worse experiments to be hold
35:27. Truly, the Vine “Go crazy, go stupid,” fits here.
Wow! I did not see that ending coming. What an insane experiment just to find out a simple truth that people do indeed listen to authority.
*oxhorn when he gets jumped by robots*
Oxhorn: E X C U S E M E W H I L E I C O N S U M E A L L T H E D R U G S
*Deathclaw appears*
Me already tripping: bonjour
This is easily my favorite part about fallout. Going to abandoned vaults and uncovering their mysteries, and slowly uncovering their stories.
Fallout 3 did it better
@@alphakennyone8 Who cares all of them, even fallout 4 are still good stories.
Vault 95 makes my blood boil, probably cause I knew a couple of friends and family who were recovering from addictions.
I don't mean to project, but imagining them in that Vault and realizing what would've happened to them makes my heart sink
@@readlater8962it’s sad but it’s vault tec the vaults were known to be experimental ideas for vault tec to further research without issue it’s sad how power goes unchecked in the fall out series but I feel like it’s their way of showing us what could be if we continued on our paths of destruction
I wish I could concentrate on video games like this like I used to back in my day.
I got into Fallout because of this video, and being part of that community has been one of the best parts of my life. Thank you Oxhorn.
Poor Kate having to make such a horrible decision, but glad she got some revenge on the Justice Bloc.
Love Ox arguing that he doesn't want to sit in the chair, and will just stand next to it. 😂😂
Speaking to your closing thoughts; it's a very Socratic idea that "If you can justify one immoral act, then you can justify ANY immoral act." And it's true.
It feels like nothing will ever get better.
@Knight-Sgt. Reyes word up nigga keep that special training up
Another Socratic quote, "If I could be reborn, I'd want to be me, too."
@@obsidironpumicia4074 sounds like Nietzsche's amor fati
@Knight-Sgt. Reyes what the fuck are u talking about there is no rich child smuggling ring
*THE CAESAR HAS MARKED YOU FOR DEATH*
The mood was so serious in that moment and they had to show up and ruin it lol.
Yoshi278 brb massacring everyone in Caesar's camp again
As an ‘experiment’... I wanted to see about trying to be the worst I could be, sided with Caesar’s Legion, and grew to feel like they weren’t quite ‘evil enough’ for the backstory things such as Vault 11.
Christopher Murto they arent actually evil at all, they are just based on philosophy that an individual has no value compared to the whole state. They are not good but certainly better for the Mojave than the ncr.
ajmak jerome Point taken, there’s a LOT of things missing to truly be evil.
Christopher Murto ;) they value order more than human life because if they wouldnt they would fall apart. They do horrible things but for "the greater good". The thing that makes fallout nv better than any other 3d fallout is how none of the factions are truly good or evil. A very nice game that makes you think about a lots of interesting / dark things. Have a good day !
I recognized those lines in the chamber from Milgram AND The Lottery! God, this vault has one of the most twisted stories. I love dark stuff but damn...
Fallout history and Russian history share a unique similarity: each chapter/video/piece of lore can be concluded with “and then it got worse…”
Thank you Oxhorn for your meticulous efforts and wonderful storytelling so we can all be immersed in the deep lore of this franchise!
That sent a good portion of my water down my windpipe.
this would make one hell of a movie. "Vault 11" fuck i'd pay top dollar to watch that
Ryukagan Zero I've not personally played Fallout but a friend told me about this vault and I think I responded that it indeed would make a great movie.
Or it could be a stand alone game
I'd love a series of movies about the fallout universe
One of a few video game-based movie that _wouldn't_ suck
uhh anybody here a derector id love to see this
I'm not angry at the choice of Vault 11's inhabitants choosing to sacrifice one of their own. I'm angry at the Justice blocks un-fucking-believeable actions. That they would do such horrible things in the name of petty power and sadistic desires. They betrayed their fellow vault dwellers and even had the GALL to start a rebellion. That they would not take responsibility for their actions and even believed themselves to be so superior that no one would challenge them. That in my opinion is the most horrific thing about this event.
People can be really horrible
Oxhorn I wish horrible was a word I could use to describe it. Thanks for commenting.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
So can we start having Godwin's law apply to people who forcibly and needlessly bring Donald Trump into every conversation, too? I'm going to start applying it, anyway. See if it catches on.
***** to me he sounds like a person talking
The sole survivor of vault 11 (voice 1) is actually present in the game files, though it is cut content, and he takes the appearance of another cut character named Roy Gottlieb, the head of the justice bloc. In the wiki, it says "Although not included in the final version, at one point Roy Gottlieb was to appear "in the flesh" in Fallout: New Vegas. It is unclear what expanded role, if any, he was to serve."
Roy is the main instigator of the rebellion, heard in the holotape. I wonder how we could have possibly seen him in the flesh unless the story of vault 11 as we know it was completely different at one time, or this character;s original plan was abandoned so they just made him the voice in the holo.
I was randomly scrolling TH-cam, saw the thumbnail(obviously fallout craze after the show) and when I heard your voice I audibly gasped. You are a LEGEND. I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE STILL AROUND.
Your WoW videos are legendary.
this quest got me really invested and shocked reaching it's end.
this game had the best writing in Fallout ever.
Bethesda really should’ve taken notes when they were developing FO4.
Amen
@@olliegoria fallout 4s characters world and factions are more interesting then the garbage pile that is NV. it’s SO bland.
@@hammyofdoom8355 that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, no matter how wrong it may be
@@hammyofdoom8355 Not even approaching true. But hey, far be it from me to interrupt your delusion.
*Perfect spot for a vault-tec experiment*
Antra The Man True
Antra The Man im hearing vaultiers
PERFECT SPOT FOR A MEME
perfect spot for a mirelurk den
*Perfect spot for a abandoned vault*
A cool thing about the sacrifical room is that the bodies of the overseers that are killed are just swept away in to the side areas where the robots that shoot you are.
Having only just discovered the Fallout world (I play 76) I have recently discovered your videos. They're incredibly well put together and informative. As a side note I studied Psychology many years ago and the Milgram Experiment has always been one of my favourites for exploring human behaviour.
Keep up the fantastic work!
note that this is just one vault of a game full of other locations, stories, vaults and characters. this game is just godlike!
Truly.
No it’s not.
@@cullendonaldson6452 ur on smg dawg I live for this game
@@cullendonaldson6452 "what da dog doin?"
"Blasphemy."
Completely optional too. Not apart of the main story at all
"here at Vault Tec, your safety is our #1 priority"... mmm🤔
They don't say its *keeping* you safe, just that they are interested in how safe you are.
andres199o more like 'here at vault tech your safety is our #1 priority.......unless you are in vault 11, then your screwed.'
Thing is, everyone in a vault thought every other vault was exactly the same. 1 per year could easily have been seen as a population control method.
andres199o ha
Your safety is important for the start of the experiment
Wow, I'm impressed. This is the very first video I've ever heard anyone talk about storytelling, morality and choices in role playing games, or games in general, for that matter.
I applaud you, this is great. I really like how you reflect on the story, draw conclusions and apply them to your morality in the game and show how they would also apply in real life scenarios.
This is the first video I've seen you in, but if you have more content like this. I would really consider to subscribe, this has been missing content for video games for a long time. Thanks for sharing this video with us.
This felt like a very meaningful and well-crafted video to me. Thank you so much for making it and sharing.
Love the “Vault Tec cares about your safety” at the very end. Game had such great writing, now I might fire up my copy when I get back home.
Late response, but Xbox Series S and X got major improvements in the Fallout games. Fallout 3 and New Vegas take full use of the SSD and they run at a locked 60fps now. No more stuttering and just 1 second loading times. It is beautiful
I think it makes it even darker and bleakly funny that I suspect Vault-Tec didn't expect the Vault citizens to go along with the test for as long as they did.
Even the most evil corporation ever believed nobody would be as immoral as the Vault 11 citizens.
@@Deadsea_1993 I didn't know this!! Time to replay on my series X. Thanks!
@@Deadsea_1993 wow i rly want a series s or x now
@@Deadsea_1993 is that available on Xbox one by chance?
The recording at the start is Bethesda employees after 76
Lol yeah
So true XD
genius
right...
76 is good now. Has been for years. It was only bad the first year
I'm stunned, this video is magnificent in every aspect, great job! I'm on the marathon of this series since yesterday and I find it really good and entertaining which is rare for me. I often watch short videos because I'm bored easily but that's not the problem here! Every minute of this series is really well done!
I may have misinterpreted the course of actions, but if I'm correct it sounds like the original overseer didn't actually share the password to open the sacrifice chamber, and Instead it was simply guessed by the remaining vault dwellers. if that's true, then perhaps the original overseer had intended the sacrifices to end with himself? if the others in the vault had no way of opening the chamber they would have been forced to not have a sacrifice, and would have immediately found that a sacrifice was not needed.
You'd think if they were going to sacrifice a vault member they'd try and do it more humanely.
"Should we gas them, or vaporize them, or give them a poisoned drink?"
- "Nah, lets send a squadron of death bots and gun turrets and riddle them with bullets! :D"
It would probably be terrifying when the doors started opening but they would basically be dead instantly. Probably better than gas or poison
@@XXfAzEXXXXd0gEXX IM surprised they managed to even get up out of the chair..i would be frozen with fear with my ass planted in that seat
Tangeni Shikukutu I think they never did. It seems like the robots dragged their corpses into the doors after the deed was done.
Also, why don't any of the skeletons have clothes on? Even if they disintegrated, wouldnt there be dust around them? There isn't any wind right?
They don't know what's coming if they follow the video and close their eyes
So it's an instant death with that many bullets
Jesus, I had already read every terminal and listened to every tape, I knew this story and thought about it a lot,
None of this was fresh to me, but you still got me tearing up multiple times.
Well done.
"I was just following orders" Is one of the oldest ways to justify any atrocity
44:20 Actually, no. When Millgram told the subject that they had to continue and that they had no choice, they would largely refuse. However, if Millgram instead told them that the data they were gathering was important, and would help save lives, they would often continue past the point where it was believed the actor was dead.
Only one person refusesed to go all the way in the first hundred I think... Which means true kindness does exist, but its alot rarer than you'd think. Its good to be aware of our species sheep like behavior to authority, in theory the more people that know of our flaws the less likely we are to commit those atrocities. The nazis are a living example of this principle, remember to always question the morality of orders given to you, and that being a bystandered isn't an excuse not to act.
Be a Schindler not a sheep.
@@shaggyspade2468, be like neither...
@@UmbraFulgur Schindler realized the atrocities that where occurring and took it upon himself to risk everything to right those wrongs. Despite the fact that this made him a traitor to his nation, his peers, and would have led to his inevitable execution for his "crimes".
He was not a perfect man, but considering he was able to actually open his eyes and realize what was happening, despite the fact that everyone and thing he knew was telling him to commit horrendous atrocities, he's more a hero then 99% of people.
Abraham Lincoln wasn't a perfect man either, but he knew slavery was wrong, and actually did something about it.
The greatest difficultys in surmounting injustice is for a good person to realize that something is wrong, and to actually do something about it.
Despite the great personal risks one must endure to do so.
@@shaggyspade2468, true. all i wanted to say is another way. every time, in life, you/me/whoever must choose a path, a way. is not always good or bad, just different....maybe gray ?!
@@shaggyspade2468 perhaps they where never sheep, or at least most of them never sheep. Maybe, that is what they always wanted to do, they wanted to live.
I didn't sit in the chair because I was told to, but because that was the only way to progress the story.
You monster!
Curiosity killed the cat
But satisfaction brought it back.
Well technically yes, but this is the player/character disconnect. You as a player sat in the chair because you knew - being aware you were playing a game to uncover a story - that was how the story would be revealed.
The writers of the game, however, put in the effort and care to make this exact reason a plausible reason for your _character_ to sit in the chair, and of course the environmental storytelling (16 dead bodies for 16 years) for your character to understand what happened here.
If Vault 11 had been in FO3, your objective list would have told you to sit in the chair, or to push a button.
Christopher Miller meaning because you were told to.
Pffft, novices! I haven't sat in the chair >:O .....**stomach grumbles** sooo hungry T_T
And just think... the result of a poker game directly led to dozens of people slaughtering each other and a Vault lying abandoned. It's just... a perfect story for New Vegas. It fits the setting EXACTLY. Not to mention the whole "The House Always Wins" dynamic going on-while the dwellers were squabbling amongst themselves, the Vault was always the one in control, and it killed all but one of them. The Vault won.
26.13 the spacing in the words goes down in a curved line if you read the word just before this spacing from to to bottom it states “Think to archives perhaps Records show why we do sacrifice”
"What if I don't want to sit down."
*YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SIT DOWN*
CorporalSherlock its like fallout 3
I dont wanna help the bos, they are so generic!!
Bethesda: YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO HELP THE BOS AND BE A GOOD GUY
But I *cant* sit down
*SIT TEH FUK DOWN M8*
just sit down then stand back up
;ooo Jesus christ it's jason bourne
I really love the way that vault 11 is similar to the lottery. They’re both things that you would imagine are good things so you don’t understand why people don’t want to be chosen, and then you slowly realize.
The lottery gave me nightmares when I read it in school
@@SirFlooberis for some reason we read it in school. Not sure why English teachers feel the need to show that to middle schoolers lol . But vault 11 reminds of the lottery too
@@victorgaeta6436 it’s probably pay back for all the stress we make them go through everyday XD
Yeah, I also though about this tale.
@@SirFlooberis I read it to! We were going over satire and hidden meanings in books in school.
You've actually made me decide to wait for the Brotherhood's questline to end before deciding their fate for the NCR. That's the remarkable thing about For The Republic Part II. Both the Brotherhood and Great Khans, and House with cut content, can actually be made to truce with the NCR, even though all of their parts start with an "eradicate them" from Colonel Moore, the authority figure for that quest.
Just coming back to fallout after the release of the series.
I remember watching these videos years ago in high school. You added an entirely new layer of enjoyment and wonder; truly bringing the game to life for me. Before your videos, I had a simple mind of running through missions and seeing everything else as back drop. I truly admire your story telling, the way you fluctuate your voice to match the tone and your vocabulary when describing things.
I hope they release another fallout game just to hear you dive in that lore as well.
42:20 Deep dramatic monologue about morality and fate
.... the Caesar has Marked you for Death and the Legion obeys ready yourself for battle! Classic Legion.
Ready yourself for monologue!
Ready yourself for loot you’re gonna sell for 1,100 caps!
Birthday Brigade!
Honestly that cheer me up after learn the story of the vault
that movie that plays in the sacrificial chamber has such "just think about the rabbits lennie" energy
Lt Dan why!?
Lennie from "Of Mice and Men"?
oh my god, you’re so right
Look at the flowers
The end game title screen hum added to the awe SO much. That noise makes a million scenes flash through my head and is so beautiful
I start every single one of these videos thinking to myself, "is this the Gary vault?"
That “Good” at the end of the presentation always gives me chills
Andrew Marty *G O O D* .
Charles Demers *G* *O* *O* *D*
Hold up, the way the first tape sounds. It feels like they all had a gun. Each one had one bullet per gun, hence voice 3, Harry, volunteering to go first. Voice 5, near the end of the tape says, "ready Harry?" To which Harry acknowledges, and as voice 1, with panic in his voice, still tries to save his final comrades, the last survivors of the the Vault 11 catastrophe, Harry shoots himself in the head first, prompting voices 2, 4, and 5 to kill themselves right after, thus the reason the gunshots sound in quick succession. Voice 1 whimpers, for his attempt to save the lives of his fellow survivors failed. He drops the gun he was given to kill himself with and leaves, setting out for the wasteland to see what would await him.
That's what it's seems like happened tbh
That was my take away every time I've gone through the vault (which is quite a lot by now as I think vault 11 is easily the best story experience in New Vegas), but on reflection I think oxhorn's interpretation of Voice One doing the killing in self defense could be more on the money.
The most telling point is that there's only one gun on the floor when you arrive. All five of them would need their own gun in order to kill themselves that quickly, and Voice One was clearly holding the only gun present as he's the one who drops it afterwards. If he dropped his own, there's no way he'd pick up everyone else's guns on his way out. Plus, the gunshots themselves all sound as though they're all from the same gun as well, very evenly spaced, if there were four people killing themselves the shots would be more unevenly distributed.
Personally, I think that makes that final piece of the puzzle (ironically the first part the player sees) all the more poignant.
After all the shit that they've gone through, after seeing everyone kill each other, no doubt taking part themselves, after standing up to the Vault's authority and being told it was all just a prank, four of the survivors are entirely willing to kill themselves and a clearly unwilling participant, under the pretense of sacrificing themselves for the greater good and not having to live with the consequences, while the other is willing to kill the others to preserve his own life, again for what he perceives as the greater good.
It's like a microcosm of everything that's happened on a much more personal level and with more direct action being taken. A man is actually pulling the trigger on the last people who understand what he's been through, rather than putting a vote in a ballot box.
Not only that, but it gives Voice One one more awful act to do before being free to go. Being a bystander to Vault 11 and the subsequent suicides of his fellow survivors is one thing, but forcing the guy to take action to save his own life adds so many more layers to the story it's delicious.
The more I think about this interpretation the more I enjoy it tbh. Just when I thought Vault 11 was already the best part of New Vegas it's gotta hit me with some other fantastic nuance.
If a group of people planning to commit suicide holding guns to their heads,
First shot would trigger all others to shoot a fraction of a second afterwards.
(Are you really going to rehearse an order of suicide? how would you know who shoots 2nd, 3rd, 4th)
bang
bang, bang, bang (Together)
There could be hesitation(Didn't seem like there was a reason to) but it wouldn't be staggered like that (Some shots would overlap).
Or maybe it was just bad editing and it just sounds like that^^ but its supposed to be suicide, who knows?
El Chuckles that's a lot of writing bro... calm down
I think it's an interesting (albeit grim) ending to the story that after everything they still resorted to trying to kill one of their own when he refused to kill himself. Kinda proves mankind's depravity even further. They really didn't learn anything.
Honestly they probably left it to be interpreted either way. There's no real answer.
Miguel Godos the only problem I have with your reasoning is that it doesn't explain why there is only 1 gun on the floor. I guess it could just be that the developers just forgot them though.
I appreciate you always reminding the audience with bits of info it helps me understand everything. And if I closed my eyes I could still understand everything because your that good of a descriptive speaker. Great job!
When I started watching Oxhorn's Fallout videos, I was just looking for someone going through the games who wasn't too obnoxious but did a decent job showcasing and/or explaining the lore, because I don't have the time or energy to make older games work on my computer while I'm going through grad school and doing homework, but I CAN have TH-cam on while I draw or sew or whatever. I'm continually blown away by how good a choice Oxhorn was, because I really appreciate the critical thought and analysis that goes into his videos. I really love these lore videos where he goes through a side quest and then explains why he made the choices he did and what he thinks the best choice is. Plus, based on the way he talks about ethics and the good fight etc, I also feel confident he's a good person, which is a nice bonus, and not always guaranteed when you're watching a stranger on the internet play video games for you.
All these sacrifices to learn that it was a cruel joke ... goddamn fallout is brutal.
Troy Sivick no, vault tek was brutal
Lumminous Vault Tec*
Troy Sivick I guess it goes to show how fucked up humans can be
It is just a representative of how brutal and dumb society can be when forced to do something.
The Gimp Not really a joke, a life lesson. Yet they refuse to teach and kill themself instead. A wasteful act.
I'm pretty sure the "sole survivor" didn't get attacked, he just couldn't manage to stop the others from killing themselves
But there's only ONE gun, given the speed and consecutive sound of the shots, it is impossible for them to kill themselves so fast with a single one. By logic anyone holding the one and killing themselves can't pass the one for the next one, because they'd be already dead.
So their basically an unstoppable force of nature that they just stepped in front of
I haven't played a second of the game, stumbled upon this video by coincidence and omfg this was a thrilling story and made me want to actually try the game itself. A+ narrative.
You will not regret playing the game
I have not played any fallout games but I have watched some of these expositions about the plot lines. They are very good. I wish there was an anthology style tv series telling these stories.
I’m dreaming of Netflix series about Fallout vaults.
RomanDaySaver ™ I love this idea. Have each episode be it’s own thing with its own experiment. Sort of like an anthology series the way black mirror is!
Holy shit could you imagine? That would be so cool
Radioactive Black Mirror
The way Netflix is going, there's a 50% chance is going to be garbage 30% its going to be gold
Melissa what's the 20%? Just neutral?
ZBoogie 2121 pretty much. I've seen some Netflix Originals that I would consider to be just adequate
44:00 Ah, I see you're a recipient of "Ceasar's Loot Delivery". It's so nice of those four legion boys to bring the courier a few hundred caps worth of gear every few days. Those poor guys have to drag that loot all over the Mojave to find the courier and deliver their loot. I always make sure to tip them a few extra .50 BMG rounds so they know how much I appreciate what they do.
I'm more of a 'kimballs delivery service' fan myself
Same. I really enjoy those complimentary ranger hats. I have a decently-sized collection of those and those cute helmets.
rom65536
Ahh yes.
Every now and then, when I make new saves, I'm more a fan of the "Mojave-Wide Courier Donation Drive".
"The Caesar has marked you for presents, and the Legion obeys!"
I wonder if they would accept advance tips in the form of 12 Gage Slugs?
When it comes to siding with a faction, for me it comes down to two things; one within my control, and one outside it. The former is Ethics. The Institute, The Nuka-World raiders and so forth are unethical. The latter, however, is the story response put in front of me by the creator. And so, The institute is demolished at the hands of the Minutemen and the Nuka-World raiders eat hot, fiery lead by my own hand. If it ever gets made, I would dearly love FO6 to focus much more on Vault Tec, and to be fair with the recent statements about wanting a decade long game (something that makes me feel queasy, I'll admit) it seems like they would be an endless mine of content. And as for Vault 11... heartbreaking story. Really, it was. Let's not just say 'raiders are rapists and murderers', eh? The dwellers of V11 seemed capable of much the same behaviour... A bleak thought.
Fantastic video. Really drove the point home at the end. Love that your videos actually examine what the game is trying to say.
I really appreciate you taking it seriously and calling it what it is, gang rape and extortion, rather than making it seem like it was Kate's fault.
Damn kater
And praise Kate for putting her trust in RNGesus
Why would anyone blame Kate for what happened to her?
@@kittycat5972 You’d be surprised. Victim blaming is everywhere, unfortunately.
@@kittycat5972 rape culture, sadly
I am never persuaded by the argument of "it's a post-apocalyptic world, so pre-apocalypse morals do not apply."
If anything, the fact that so little of the old world remains, and that so many are trying to do their best to survive despite it all argues that an ethical, moral world is even more relevant than ever before.
Adapt with the times yo.
I think Darwin said that or something
TreJowy Yeah but you just went through an erasure of society.
Pre-war fallout was an extremely optimistic society, thus why the Vault experiment was created in the first place but when the bombs dropped morals took a 180 and it was horrifying for everyone.
I scratched my head when Oxhorn began discussing pre-versus-post-apocalypse moral values. What's the difference between the two? In the pre-war days, everyone had their own interpretations of what was morally right and wrong. Most just wanted to live their lives and respect others, more or less, but there were also crooked, and even downright evil people back then, like Big MT and Vault-Tec. ~200 years later, we still see that everyone adheres to their own ideas of what's morally correct and incorrect.
Granted, there are an alarming amount of homicidal groups of thieves, racists, and just plain madmen, but throughout the entirety of human history, there have been entire nations of horrific people like that, surrounded by entire nations who collectively think differently, or sometimes similarly to one another.
If anything, the message of pre-versus-post morals is that human nature, no matter how badly people traumatize each other, will never cease to be content with just co-existence; humans will always embrace sin as much as they embrace peace and justice.
@@SimoPortti * Survival Of The Fittest (NCR & Legion)
thus is the consequence of free will.
There is also a study at a college where students volunteered to participate. Half would be cast as prisoners and the other half as police. No one knew who was going to be what until it started. The police were chosen 1st then sent out to mock arrest the prisoners. The students were interviewed after describing how they weren't the people they were in their police roles and were ashamed that they could be such terrible people when told to do so by a higher-up authority. It was so bad that some of the prisoners needed therapy after.
35:13
Ah yes, I know this room will sacrifice me, I’m going to enter with nothing but a hazmat suit.