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Back in the 90s I backed up my Spectrum cassettes to mini disc. Playing them back into the Spectrum from mini disc worked fine. These days with emulation and downloadable game files, I don't need to worry about losing my old cassettes anymore.
back in the eighties i was very good at basic (actually gwbasic)...it's marvelous that the home computers back then used basic for almost everything!!!
i think you can but i remember them saying a CD would last forever and it turned out it might not so we went HDD the SDD and they can fail so i think we shall forever be backing our childhoods up which is OK i keeps you alert
There's a difference between pressed and mastered CDs. I have music CDs nearing 40 years and they still work flawlessly (admittedly I always stored them with great care)
if I woke up in the morning and I realise I'm only 9,and there's a commodoreplus/4 over in front of the bw TV,I'm going to play along with it until the day ends...I'm not being funny
Great work Pietro, the 1530USB looks interesting and fascinating to see those Italian "compilations" of games. I wonder if you have found anything interesting that isn't currently available online?
Thank you!! Most likely there's some unusual stuff. I'm still in the process of backing up so many cassettes. I had programs I made and also some cassettes that were locally edited in my area. Time will tell :)
We had Boscanian 87 and completely forgot it existed and that in-load Space Invaders game. I originally thought that it was the actual game I was loading! Thanks for recalling that from the back of my memory!
Another fun co-op and I hope you and the family are still enjoying the travels... Here's to backing up our childhoods... Even better, if only we could teleport ourselves back to them?
One of the problems with transferring software on cassette is the question of Wow & Flutter as well as making sure the mechanism is playing at the correct speed. And if you're interpreting the audio data into digital, you might as well turn it into a digitally loading disk file & live happily.
I increased the rotation speed of the electric motor inside the data set by a little bit, and the loading speed was almost half, even my friends used to buy my data set from me because it had a head adjustment light and a fast loading system.
cracking little video as always and i got a bit of info from this as well to help me back up a few tapes with demos on them my mate and i made when we was kids (let's hope they still work). Only other Tape i have left is Times Of Lore and the only reason i kept it as my mum and dad use to write stuff down for me in the back of the large book that came with it, so kept it all these years as a keep safe to remind me of them and the fun we had. As always you all take care and have a great weekend and am looking forward to see what and who you bring us next.
Great episode and tips to backup tapes :) I too was 11 in 1985 - 86 but sadly I have no game cassettes left for any platform. I do have my first home computer from 1986 (Salora Manager), but I recorded music over those tapes too. So did for C-64 tapes too, had a C-64 C model as well with cassette drive. Did some drawings with C-64 Koala Painter as a kid, those would've been interesting to preserve if I had kept the cassettes intact. Now I have the Mini C-64 and have found online most games I had as a kid.
Whose childhoods are we talking about? My son is 16, he still loves Roblox..... When he's 40+, how will he relive that Roblox experience? There is a gaping hole of several age groups that WONT GET the nostalgic experience some of us have experienced. How do we fix that?
Good question. I imagine community projects will revive it in the future, like those that have brought back Star Wars Galaxies running on their own servers. Where there's a will there's a way...
Guessing "retro" will mean different things to different people depending on age. But younger people will find their own relatable channels with hosts "of their own age" (no dig Peri !) - that share their nostalgic experiences. I'm of Peri's age, so this channel gets a massive thumbs up from me! I'm sure when your son is 40, by then they'll be plenty of Roblox clones or certainly videos to review, reflect and relive his childhood by. Its an age old question... If we asked our parents what their version of "retro" would be a far different to our experiences too. All depends on the decade you was a kid I guess... Those group of people will find each other in their own communities.
we thought risc was gone and yet its been revived , some nerd will always be making stuff work 😁i have all sorts of old files all updated and made to work with various input devices as someone took the time for instance i have UEF and WAV files i transferred thanks to some nifty software from others i have Sinclair Microdrive's transferred to SD and kept on a HDD all files a million of them stored and kept still usable with what ever tech i choose
@@ShR33k Lots to unpack here….. *Guessing retro will mean different things to different people depending on age.* Respectfully, there’s nothing to learn from your statement, being that we’re all on a path getting older and interpreting retro in our own way? *But younger people will find their own relatable channels with hosts of their own age (no dig Peri !) - that share their nostalgic experiences.* Again, we’re all on our own path and can we not find our own relatable channels and share our experiences, in the way I have, which you’ve confirmed? *I’m of Peri’s age, so this channel gets a massive thumbs up from me!* Me too, 50s, massive respect and thumbs up! *I’m sure when your son is 40, by then they’ll be plenty of Roblox clones or certainly videos to review, reflect and relive his childhood by.* What is your evidence? If you’re of Peri’s age of this post (51) and by the time my son is 40, you will be what, 75? Will Roblox have relinquished all of their IP in the name of preservation by then? I’m not being argumentative but we should be apprehensive. Case in point, NINTENDO IP. *Its an age old question... If we asked our parents what their version of retro would be a far different to our experiences too.* It’s not an “age old question”, it a question of our age. So let’s put it into context, and have a sensible debate. *All depends on the decade you was a kid I guess... Those group of people will find each other in their own communities.* This is the most sensible thing you said.
Considering how fragile the initial media was... it'd not be fair to claim copyrights so many years later unless you're willing to replace an old tape, cartridge or disk with a fresh copy without any read errors. And that's why I don't feel the emulator community should feel guilty, it's simply 2nd or 3rd party conservation, I don't consider it piracy. It was the publishers fault not expecting people would keep playing their games/using the software for 30 years on. Luckily most of them don't.
When we had our C64, we had the floppy drive (and one for duplicating the software). We didn’t have cassettes or that deck; I wonder how long they would’ve lasted if we had. We did have 2 cartridges for the back end of the keyboard, Up ‘n’ Down and JumpMan Junior.
At a time when disk drives often cost more than the computers they were connected to, you were fortunate to have one. Computer equipment was also relatively expensive overseas so it was more typical for such users to muddle along with tape-based storage.
This isn’t something I was informed of 40 years ago, @Starchface. Then again, I was only three years old in 1983 when we took ownership of our first C64. The only one who would have let me in on that was my mother who was nervous about my father deficit spending.
i'd expect more noise from a motherboard's line-in true but a proper cassette deck through an usb audio interface would be better for sure than the cheap usb walkman. but it just has to be good enough to load properly.
The truth lies somewhere in between IMHO. Focus fully on the present and future, whilst allowing moments of reflection. Ironically a common comment I see on the channel is that the content makes life a little happier for many, and I hope that also can make the world a bit of a better place, where we remember what's important and where we have come from.
Luckily, as kid of 1984, never really had to deal with cassettes - my first computer was a C16 with a 1531 datasette, but as my dad saw I really didn't get any fun out of it, he soon got me a C64 with a 1541-II. That was already in the early 90s, so most people using a C64 before had already moved on, and he could get it without paying a fortune. This C64 still works to this day :). Still, I have *some* tapes that I got in recent years that want to back up, and managed so far - except for one tape, that somehow always gets stuck when it gets played back. Fast forward and rewinding is no problem. If I turn it with a pencil, also no problem. But simple playback won't work, even on my hifi tape-deck. What's going on here, does anyone know?
Would it be possible to write back to the original tape and/or disk with a good copy of an original file? I have a few tapes and disks where i feel the hardware is actually fine but the data has just corrupted over time.
Yes, in many cases that may work just fine. However, I would ALWAYS start by taking a backup (e.g. record to .WAV) of the ORIGINAL contents of the bad tape. Just blindly overwriting the original data with some random downloaded .tap file is not smart, e.g. because you cannot be sure your .tap is the correct version, unless you compare it to the original contents of the tape. Re-releases (yes, even official ones) of games quite often use a different turbo loader than the original release, etc.
Yes it's possible to write from a TAP file back to a tape, as a TAP file keeps loyal to the timings. I would recommend on a new empty tape in order to always keep the original safe :)
A better cassette player will help you a lot. But there's not any good mechanisms. Some manufacturers have 'better' builds though. That unit you have there has terrible wow+flutter sadly that will affect your capture
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Back in the 90s I backed up my Spectrum cassettes to mini disc. Playing them back into the Spectrum from mini disc worked fine. These days with emulation and downloadable game files, I don't need to worry about losing my old cassettes anymore.
Love the format thanks for introducing us to new people ❤❤❤
back in the eighties i was very good at basic (actually gwbasic)...it's marvelous that the home computers back then used basic for almost everything!!!
I learned basic on an Apple IIe
Another great substitute. Perifractic, I hope you and the family are having a fantastic holiday!
Great video, really enjoyed it! Great new format and very generous sharing your platform :)
i think you can but i remember them saying a CD would last forever and it turned out it might not so we went HDD the SDD and they can fail so i think we shall forever be backing our childhoods up which is OK i keeps you alert
There's a difference between pressed and mastered CDs.
I have music CDs nearing 40 years and they still work flawlessly (admittedly I always stored them with great care)
if I woke up in the morning and I realise I'm only 9,and there's a commodoreplus/4 over in front of the bw TV,I'm going to play along with it until the day ends...I'm not being funny
Great work Pietro, the 1530USB looks interesting and fascinating to see those Italian "compilations" of games. I wonder if you have found anything interesting that isn't currently available online?
Thank you!! Most likely there's some unusual stuff. I'm still in the process of backing up so many cassettes. I had programs I made and also some cassettes that were locally edited in my area. Time will tell :)
We had Boscanian 87 and completely forgot it existed and that in-load Space Invaders game. I originally thought that it was the actual game I was loading! Thanks for recalling that from the back of my memory!
Pietro is brilliant🎉
Looking at a Italien backing up his old C64 games - and massively enjoyed it! Instantly subscribed!
I like this new perifractic
Another fun co-op and I hope you and the family are still enjoying the travels...
Here's to backing up our childhoods... Even better, if only we could teleport ourselves back to them?
awesome video, good to see old games preserved for the future
Just wanted to say, this chanel is amazing.
I absolutely love all these post / uploads 🔥
🙌
One of the problems with transferring software on cassette is the question of Wow & Flutter as well as making sure the mechanism is playing at the correct speed.
And if you're interpreting the audio data into digital, you might as well turn it into a digitally loading disk file & live happily.
14:45 these are the games I enjoyed most, which is why the "mini" consoles filled with arcade style titles are usually not my bag. Need a keyboard! 😊
2Up sounds like a prototype soft drink? Another great collab and a way to archive old analogue formats for use today.
I increased the rotation speed of the electric motor inside the data set by a little bit, and the loading speed was almost half, even my friends used to buy my data set from me because it had a head adjustment light and a fast loading system.
This does not make sense to me. Try increasing the emulated tape motor speed in VICE and see what happens. 😉
cracking little video as always and i got a bit of info from this as well to help me back up a few tapes with demos on them my mate and i made when we was kids (let's hope they still work). Only other Tape i have left is Times Of Lore and the only reason i kept it as my mum and dad use to write stuff down for me in the back of the large book that came with it, so kept it all these years as a keep safe to remind me of them and the fun we had. As always you all take care and have a great weekend and am looking forward to see what and who you bring us next.
Great episode and tips to backup tapes :) I too was 11 in 1985 - 86 but sadly I have no game cassettes left for any platform. I do have my first home computer from 1986 (Salora Manager), but I recorded music over those tapes too. So did for C-64 tapes too, had a C-64 C model as well with cassette drive.
Did some drawings with C-64 Koala Painter as a kid, those would've been interesting to preserve if I had kept the cassettes intact. Now I have the Mini C-64 and have found online most games I had as a kid.
Whose childhoods are we talking about? My son is 16, he still loves Roblox..... When he's 40+, how will he relive that Roblox experience? There is a gaping hole of several age groups that WONT GET the nostalgic experience some of us have experienced. How do we fix that?
Good question. I imagine community projects will revive it in the future, like those that have brought back Star Wars Galaxies running on their own servers. Where there's a will there's a way...
Guessing "retro" will mean different things to different people depending on age. But younger people will find their own relatable channels with hosts "of their own age" (no dig Peri !) - that share their nostalgic experiences. I'm of Peri's age, so this channel gets a massive thumbs up from me! I'm sure when your son is 40, by then they'll be plenty of Roblox clones or certainly videos to review, reflect and relive his childhood by. Its an age old question... If we asked our parents what their version of "retro" would be a far different to our experiences too. All depends on the decade you was a kid I guess... Those group of people will find each other in their own communities.
we thought risc was gone and yet its been revived , some nerd will always be making stuff work 😁i have all sorts of old files all updated and made to work with various input devices as someone took the time for instance i have UEF and WAV files i transferred thanks to some nifty software from others i have Sinclair Microdrive's transferred to SD and kept on a HDD all files a million of them stored and kept still usable with what ever tech i choose
@@ShR33k Lots to unpack here…..
*Guessing retro will mean different things to different people depending on age.*
Respectfully, there’s nothing to learn from your statement, being that we’re all on a path getting older and interpreting retro in our own way?
*But younger people will find their own relatable channels with hosts of their own age (no dig Peri !) - that share their nostalgic experiences.*
Again, we’re all on our own path and can we not find our own relatable channels and share our experiences, in the way I have, which you’ve confirmed?
*I’m of Peri’s age, so this channel gets a massive thumbs up from me!*
Me too, 50s, massive respect and thumbs up!
*I’m sure when your son is 40, by then they’ll be plenty of Roblox clones or certainly videos to review, reflect and relive his childhood by.*
What is your evidence? If you’re of Peri’s age of this post (51) and by the time my son is 40, you will be what, 75? Will Roblox have relinquished all of their IP in the name of preservation by then? I’m not being argumentative but we should be apprehensive. Case in point, NINTENDO IP.
*Its an age old question... If we asked our parents what their version of retro would be a far different to our experiences too.*
It’s not an “age old question”, it a question of our age. So let’s put it into context, and have a sensible debate.
*All depends on the decade you was a kid I guess... Those group of people will find each other in their own communities.*
This is the most sensible thing you said.
They'll watch them TH-cam let's plays.
Considering how fragile the initial media was... it'd not be fair to claim copyrights so many years later unless you're willing to replace an old tape, cartridge or disk with a fresh copy without any read errors.
And that's why I don't feel the emulator community should feel guilty, it's simply 2nd or 3rd party conservation, I don't consider it piracy.
It was the publishers fault not expecting people would keep playing their games/using the software for 30 years on.
Luckily most of them don't.
0:21 - I'm assuming the edit there, was because Mr Fractic could no longer hold in the laughter? lol
A great episode thank you.
That was really well done!
When we had our C64, we had the floppy drive (and one for duplicating the software). We didn’t have cassettes or that deck; I wonder how long they would’ve lasted if we had. We did have 2 cartridges for the back end of the keyboard, Up ‘n’ Down and JumpMan Junior.
You were a rich kid.
Here in Italy most C64 users had to live with cassettes.
Not sure how to react to that,@ .
At a time when disk drives often cost more than the computers they were connected to, you were fortunate to have one. Computer equipment was also relatively expensive overseas so it was more typical for such users to muddle along with tape-based storage.
This isn’t something I was informed of 40 years ago, @Starchface. Then again, I was only three years old in 1983 when we took ownership of our first C64. The only one who would have let me in on that was my mother who was nervous about my father deficit spending.
Hope you all enjoy traveling. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year respectively. Are you going to take the beanies I made for you?
Actually yes! Thanks so much!!
... and remember for AudioTap you need to set the volume to MAX, whereas for FinalTap you need to crank it to 11.
I was waiting for Perifractic to come in when you mentioned PCB 😅
Lots of good information and tasty Nostalgia Flakes here. I quite enjoyed this. I think I'll go subscribe to his channel.
Dewit!
i'd expect more noise from a motherboard's line-in true but a proper cassette deck through an usb audio interface would be better for sure than the cheap usb walkman. but it just has to be good enough to load properly.
Great video, enjoyed it.
We have spent more time reliving our childhoods than actually living them. Might be time for us to move on and make our current world a little better.
The truth lies somewhere in between IMHO. Focus fully on the present and future, whilst allowing moments of reflection.
Ironically a common comment I see on the channel is that the content makes life a little happier for many, and I hope that also can make the world a bit of a better place, where we remember what's important and where we have come from.
Very cool
Luckily, as kid of 1984, never really had to deal with cassettes - my first computer was a C16 with a 1531 datasette, but as my dad saw I really didn't get any fun out of it, he soon got me a C64 with a 1541-II. That was already in the early 90s, so most people using a C64 before had already moved on, and he could get it without paying a fortune. This C64 still works to this day :).
Still, I have *some* tapes that I got in recent years that want to back up, and managed so far - except for one tape, that somehow always gets stuck when it gets played back. Fast forward and rewinding is no problem. If I turn it with a pencil, also no problem. But simple playback won't work, even on my hifi tape-deck. What's going on here, does anyone know?
Maybe defective shell-plastic bits inside? Try transplanting the tape into a new shell.
@@jimbotron70 I will try! Need to find a tape shell though that has screws :)
Would it be possible to write back to the original tape and/or disk with a good copy of an original file? I have a few tapes and disks where i feel the hardware is actually fine but the data has just corrupted over time.
Yes, in many cases that may work just fine. However, I would ALWAYS start by taking a backup (e.g. record to .WAV) of the ORIGINAL contents of the bad tape. Just blindly overwriting the original data with some random downloaded .tap file is not smart, e.g. because you cannot be sure your .tap is the correct version, unless you compare it to the original contents of the tape. Re-releases (yes, even official ones) of games quite often use a different turbo loader than the original release, etc.
Yes it's possible to write from a TAP file back to a tape, as a TAP file keeps loyal to the timings. I would recommend on a new empty tape in order to always keep the original safe :)
5:50 wouldn’t Wine work in Linux without the need of installing a VM?
probably and Wine is on macOS too
Dee Gomodoor Sixtyfoor!
awesome video!
Have these all been archived somewhere for prosperity?
That space invaders mini game while loading should have invalidated Namco's silly patent that they kept for 20 plus years
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No. Where’s my swf based website that was hosted on a university web server in 1999? 😂
backupping is im portant
cute ... i liked the video
Here so early I saw the No Comments Yet notice
Hi to all The Fractics.
Hmm tapes.
Arent all your game images probably already online to download ??
Well, it depends on how picky you are. Are you satisfied with a cracked version, or do you want an exact representation of the original release, etc.
That LCD TV near the 64 is a blasphemy tho
Where's the CRT?😅
A better cassette player will help you a lot.
But there's not any good mechanisms.
Some manufacturers have 'better' builds though. That unit you have there has terrible wow+flutter sadly that will affect your capture