The age of the universe is just the time since the big bang, the mass that the big bang consists of has probably always been in existence. The singularity could be from any chemical reaction within the tiny blop of mass the universe was compressed into. Stars explode sometimes fx. If there is a reaction/explosion strong enough then something like the big bang would happen. (It had an infinite amount of time for it to happen) There does not have to be anything created .It always existed. If there is something that had "created" the universe, then whatever entity has to go through the same thing - its a fallacy. That there is no god can not be disproven, just like it cannot be disproven that i am god and everyone would die when i die, but i made humans unable to know this, but its a ridiculous idea. Just following the fact that nothing can come from nothing then it must have always existed (Mass of the universe and what else, if there is any, is outside of it). Now i don´t have a problem with belief in god with this question, but i have a problem with religions such as Christianity and Islam wich contradicts facts of the reality we live in, and has never had any proof of it, but alot of people still believe in it because they dont think rationally and just believe in the first thing they are taught. It is slowing down the evolution of the humans intellect alot that being ignorant keeps kids away from rational thinking.
Yes, if you go down the rabbit hole of what was the first thing to exist, and assume every thing must have a creator, you never get to an answer, because even if you want to assign all this to God as the creator the next question will always be 'then what created god?'. And at that point theists just say he is timeless, he always existed, no creator of god needed. Which is lazy and silly. Also, it's just wrong, because time, as we perceive it, is built into the universe. There is no 'before' because before assumes time, a progression of events, one after the other. Until the universe expanded time simply did not exist, not as we know it at least. Also, the big bang idea isn't that the singularity created the universe... and this is hard to wrap a human head around... but everything, the entire universe, all that mass, was all in one spot. Not a pinpoint, that idea is no longer a thing, but a very compressed, very small, lump of matter. This lump went critical so to speak and expanded into what we see today as the universe. But all of it, the stars, planets, dust, everything, was compressed into that lump of matter. And with that expansion spacetime became what we see today. None of this is especially intuitive, and none of this is fully proven, but it's the best model to explain what we have observed to date. No doubt this will be refined further as new studies are conducted. Can the existence of God be proven? Sure, if gods exist, and if they want to be discovered, they can be discovered and proven. To date though all efforts to find them have failed. The storybooks about God, or any of the other gods, have human fingerprints all through them, meaning they were clearly written by humans to manipulate humans for the benefit of the human doing the writing. They lack the wisdom or viewpoints one would expect from the beings being described. So they aren't proof of anything except that humans tell stories.
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Exactly. Your arguments are mine as well. I am an agnostic.
Hey, Lori, great to see you here. Thank you for your comment. I am glad someone out there agrees with me. Keeping shining.
The age of the universe is just the time since the big bang, the mass that the big bang consists of has probably always been in existence. The singularity could be from any chemical reaction within the tiny blop of mass the universe was compressed into. Stars explode sometimes fx. If there is a reaction/explosion strong enough then something like the big bang would happen. (It had an infinite amount of time for it to happen) There does not have to be anything created .It always existed. If there is something that had "created" the universe, then whatever entity has to go through the same thing - its a fallacy. That there is no god can not be disproven, just like it cannot be disproven that i am god and everyone would die when i die, but i made humans unable to know this, but its a ridiculous idea. Just following the fact that nothing can come from nothing then it must have always existed (Mass of the universe and what else, if there is any, is outside of it).
Now i don´t have a problem with belief in god with this question, but i have a problem with religions such as Christianity and Islam wich contradicts facts of the reality we live in, and has never had any proof of it, but alot of people still believe in it because they dont think rationally and just believe in the first thing they are taught. It is slowing down the evolution of the humans intellect alot that being ignorant keeps kids away from rational thinking.
Thank you for your insightful comment. I agree with much of what you wrote.
Yes, if you go down the rabbit hole of what was the first thing to exist, and assume every thing must have a creator, you never get to an answer, because even if you want to assign all this to God as the creator the next question will always be 'then what created god?'. And at that point theists just say he is timeless, he always existed, no creator of god needed. Which is lazy and silly.
Also, it's just wrong, because time, as we perceive it, is built into the universe. There is no 'before' because before assumes time, a progression of events, one after the other. Until the universe expanded time simply did not exist, not as we know it at least.
Also, the big bang idea isn't that the singularity created the universe... and this is hard to wrap a human head around... but everything, the entire universe, all that mass, was all in one spot. Not a pinpoint, that idea is no longer a thing, but a very compressed, very small, lump of matter. This lump went critical so to speak and expanded into what we see today as the universe. But all of it, the stars, planets, dust, everything, was compressed into that lump of matter. And with that expansion spacetime became what we see today. None of this is especially intuitive, and none of this is fully proven, but it's the best model to explain what we have observed to date. No doubt this will be refined further as new studies are conducted.
Can the existence of God be proven? Sure, if gods exist, and if they want to be discovered, they can be discovered and proven. To date though all efforts to find them have failed. The storybooks about God, or any of the other gods, have human fingerprints all through them, meaning they were clearly written by humans to manipulate humans for the benefit of the human doing the writing. They lack the wisdom or viewpoints one would expect from the beings being described. So they aren't proof of anything except that humans tell stories.
Thanks for your comments.