EXTRA WIDE 17' Custom Welded Boat Build - Part 2 of 3
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- This is part two of a three part series of building my dream river boat. It's going to end up 17.5' long with a 78" wide bottom and 100" wide beam. We're welding lots in this part to get the boat ready for the final finishes. Be sure to subscribe and turn on notifications to see the final part when it's uploaded in a couple of weeks!
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You sir are a welding machine wow what a great job building a boat from start to finish. My hats to you.
It’s been a lot of fun, but definitely ready to be done with the welding in the next few days, and then getting it water ready!!
What an incredible amount of boat fabrication work and video editing! Great video,thanks........
Thanks for watching!! It’s been a ton of work all around, but fun to capture the whole process.
Welding and fabrication ASMR - very relaxing. Thanks and subbed.
Thanks for watching!
That HF welding machine is killing it with aluminum mig.
I’m impressed with it. It had great reviews and tons of TH-cam garage welders reviewed it with positive feedback. I had it cranked all the way up welding the transom (1/4” walled tube to 3/16” sheet) and it dig right in. Great transfer to the outside through the 3/16” everywhere I welded.
My brother recently bought his first John boat. Fourteen feet by about forty inches. He was saying he wished it was wider and more stable. I’m going to show him your video. He’ll love it. LOL. That’s a great looking design.
Haha, I think we went on the extreme side for wide and stable!! I figured if I was going to build a boat it should be something I couldn’t just go out to Bass Pro and buy off the lot. I have a boat build of a 12’ with a 52” wide bottom too. There are a couple videos of that one on my channel.
A couple years ago I came down and bought some used pontoon rails from you. I never knew you had a TH-cam channel till a few minutes ago. I noticed you right away. Awesome job on this build.
We started the channel a year and a half ago, and it’s really started to grow over the last 6 months or so. We’re having a blast with projects and sharing lots of how to pontoon related content. Glad you found the channel!
Excellent craftsmanship !! Great work, great video. 👍👍. Thanks
Turns out it’s a fish catching machine too! Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
Thanks for making these videos. Great work! Love it
Thanks for watching! It was too cool of a project to not document the process to share.
I think you done an awesome job, the best part is you can say i built my boat. 👌
Thank you! Already at a launch someone asked "why would you build your own boat?" and I just kind of laughed and said "because I can't order this boat from any manufacturer and if I could I wouldn't be able to afford their price tag!" ...It's been super rewarding and it's a blast to fish out of.
you should check into a Tig Button. You can ditch that pedal and still have full control of the heat right on your torch.
I've heard that from a few people, but I haven't worked with a machine yet that has the capability to run one. My new YesWelder TIG machine has a button on the switch, but it's an upslope, welding heat, and downslope when you touch the button....I gotta have control the whole time for fine adjustments!
Thanks for sharing all of your hard work. Great looking boat!
Can't wait to see it complete.
Thank you for watching! Glad folks find our stuff entertaining and hopefully educational. Part three will wrap up later in September, hopefully with some videos of salmon coming to the boat on its first big trip!
@@tomspontoons hope you'll do a 4th one with the salmon fishing trip that includes on-water examples of how the boat works, storage, fishability, and fishing action! Do the 3rd one about finishing up the boat, mounting the motor, running the wiring, plumbing the gas tank, installing the batteries, and getting it all rigged to go fishing! Looking forward to it all.
@@rickmervine9952 We’re on the same wavelength for the series for sure! I had planned on showing the first run with it after break in, but I’d love to do a follow up that shows it fishing, cruising, any modifications I’d make if I could do it again, and cost break down. Thanks!!
@@tomspontoons these fishing boats look like a good 'line extension' to your pontoon business. Make some jigs to replicate the main parts of two sizes of boats and sell the TomsFishing brand of fishing boats
@@rickmervine9952 I would love to build a couple boats a year in addition to what we do with pontoon boats, but the pontoon restorations keep us very busy most of the time and they're what pay our bills. Also, it gets complicated to build boats for the purpose of selling...building them for myself to use is simple and straight forward in terms of titling and registering.
Instead of slitting the angles used to brace the bow, did you consider using a shrinker to form the curves?
I’m not familiar with that tool, is it a roller of sorts? I’ve seen lots of custom boats with the slits.
Awesome build !
I hope it meets all your expectations! 👍
I'm super ready to water test it and see what happens!
Looking great!
Thank you!
Nice work as usual. 👍👏
Thanks!!
Work of art sir!
Thank you, that’s a huge compliment!
Awesome boat, going to be very stable cheers from Australia 😊
Thanks for watching from across the planet! A lot of my design and build processes revolved around plate boats like you have over there.
Awesome man. Well worth the wait.
Glad you think so! Can’t wait to be running it in a couple weeks!
@@tomspontoons I know that’s right. Your build is looking really good. You should be proud of yourself.
@@jasongrinnell1986 thank you! Means a lot!
Great job. Now I can use a new 20’ let me know what I owe
Haha! I’ve had a few people reach out. It would be a dream to build a few a year, but not to that point quite yet…stay tuned!
That is really a great job. Looks professionally done. If you ever decide to build and sale I may be interested for sure.
Thank you! Those are the best compliments I could hope for…someone wanting me to build them one someday. Stay tuned, I plan to build a couple more boats in the next year here with materials I already have on hand…then we will see what happens from there.
Wow Tom. Lots of MIG & TIG welding. Wish I could move and weld that fast budroe!!! LOL
It’s my flow state when I get welding and fabricating. I could do it all day every day!
@@tomspontoons where u get the aluminum
@@michaelgoodwin4737 I purchased it from a local Metals USA location. It took a while to get because of it being only a few pieces of sheet, and I purchased through my business account. I'm not sure how they deal with cash customers, but worth checking!
I would put two seadoo in the hull for center of gravity. Intakes would preferrably be mounted in the front for a ram effect. Looks great, good job
That’d be cool for sure, but we love the open floor plan. Engine compartments are a bit of a space stealer!!
@@tomspontoons indeed, first thought your were making a two tier flat bottom pontoon. If you dont mind me asking how much was materials and labour hours?
@@brettmoore3194 materials were easily $9K to $10K. Took two months working most weekdays on it about 4-6 hours
@@tomspontoons cool,I would love to have a shop like yours
@@brettmoore3194 it’s a nice big space, but would love to own our own shop someday instead of renting!!
Looks awesome Tom great job. Your channel inspired me to purchase and fix up a baby 12ft pontoon. New carpet, seats, and LED lighting. If i had a shop to work in I'd probably want to build a boat too!
Awesome, glad our work and channel inspired you!!
How do you figure out the modified V part?
I start by giving the transom and mid-ship it's shape based on what I want for the deadrise at the transom. Then I overlap the sheets at the bow, eyeball it to the shape I like, and then cut. I ended up making this a bit more aggressive of a V in the bow, which has it's perks and drawbacks, but all around I love the ride and stability of this boat. My buddies have called it a "cadillac ride".
I like to weld as a hobby on my 1648 aluminum boat that I tinker with and you’re making this aluminum welding / fabricating look too easy. Were you a welder in a previous career? Great job man! I would love to have your welding skills.
I started welding a little over 2 years ago…still have never welded steel, just aluminum. Had to learn to be able to fix leaky pontoons and make customizations on site rather than hire that out and wait on other folks schedules. Built a 13’ from scratch, then my 12’, and then this big fella. Every welding pro I’ve talked to said you just have to spend time welding. Each boat I’ve built has been 150+ hours of welding…lots of practice on top of all the drills I did on my bench just welding away on scrap to get better at seeing the puddle and adjusting according to what the metal is doing. It’s a passion of mine and I hope to keep doing more and more of it!
Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching!
Have you tried a bit more argon flow and/or a step up in cup size? Might clean up your soot. Nice project. Real test on the Titanium machines.
I've tried everything with that spool gun. It'll lay in a super clean bead on one weld, and then the next will have tons of soot. The nozzle gets blocked up fast from the splatter. I hope to try a friend's pulse setup on my next build. There will always be some soot with MIG, but it would be nice to have more consistency.
@tomspontoons welding inside with no breeze, it should weld clean. I ran into that when welding outside even though there was no discernible wind but after fooling around with it I found it needs more argon than a guy would think. It is not unheard of to get a bad bottle of gas either. I have been spool gun welding for more than twenty years without any of the new features on modern machines, so I know they aren't the only answer. A lot can do it old dirty metal ( even though you clean it, the dirt comes out of the pores it seems), any clogging in your flow of gas at the tip or even a kinked hose. Anyway have fun. Is it going to be your own boat?
PS: Have you tried one of the various splatter shield sprays on your tips? Also the distance the tip protrudes from the nozzle or doesn't can make the problem. I have had nozzles I had to turn down on the lathe.
@@douglasthompson2740 thanks so much! I will try to really crank up the flow next time. It is my own boat. Third one I’ve built, it took two to get the process down to where I was confident building one this big. We’ve got great ventilation, but nothing blowing on my welds like a breeze. I’ll definitely try more flow next time tho. Thanks again!!
@@douglasthompson2740 I haven’t tried them. I’ll look it up. I definitely worried that the tip is too close to the nozzle end. Not sure if that would hurt the cleanliness
any thoughts at injecting low expansion door and window foam it is closed cell, adds rigidity and totally repels water for decades! I studied closed cell foam in Florida hurricane boats! Those with open cell foam where totaled, due to sponging up the water, those with closed cell foam where salvageable! Obviously both float, at least until they sponge up the water or not...2 things with a boat like concrete great new! Cracks happen!
I would love to fill everything with closed cell, but wanted to leave the bottom accessible in case of repairs or modifications. And I’ve had issues with closed cell filling up with water on older boats I’ve had.
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Dont use spray in foam! All two part foams will absorb water over time. They are not waterproof, read the data sheets. I took out over 300 lbs of soaked foam and had some corrosion issues. Coast guard should ban the stuff. You could still use polyethylene , think swimming pool noodle material. Coast guard has a formula for how much flotation you would need based on the weight of the boat. Nice build! Ive had struggles with my Miller spool gun and soot. My old Lincoln gun was pretty clean. Ive gone through all of Jodys tricks and made a little difference, but it's not right.
@@fireguy7004 I did sheet foam. It’ll be just fine and shouldn’t absorb any water. It’s mainly for sound proofing…since it’s my boat and I built it for myself it technically doesn’t need foam at all. Silly standards, but not too worried about it!
I’d love to have a big wide boat like that but it just wouldn’t fit thru some spots on the meramec and gasconade rivers
There’s a sweet spot for every boat and water situation. That’s the beauty of a custom boat…make it work best for your situation.
Built at least 6 boats with my father while I was young from 12’ to biggest was 35’ we always built the ribs first then the transom the keel the bottom and sides but they were always made of wood
That's awesome! I wish I would have started in welding and boat building a long time ago, but it's never too late to start I guess. I'd love to have parts pre-made to make the process more streamline, but each boat I've built has been hand cut and each part made to fit custom...I kind of like that type of build!
Are you going to fill the bottom below the floor with two part closed cell foam?
Foam sheeting stuffed in. The two part foam will eventually get water logged, at least in every fishing boat with it that I’ve dealt with restoring. Plus the foam board will allow things to drain and dry better air flow wise.
Yes, the older two part pourable foam got waterlogged. Supposedly the newer stuff doesn’t, but you wouldn’t know for several years 😆
@@J.W.W. exactly…and digging that stuff out is NOT FUN. I’ve done it a few times and it’s terrible. Worst case if the foam board gets wet it’ll come right out!
How much will the hull way?
I believe it’s right around 1300# before the motor.
The hull looks really thin, but Great work.
1/8” thick bottom and sides…some folks will go to 3/16” thick bottoms but here in Michigan we don’t have boulders or big obstacles…and I won’t run choppy big water with this either.
I am wondering where do you do all this manufacturing
In my shop when time and space allow!
Another question for you. Where'd you get the aluminum sheets for the bottom and sides? I can only find 12' long sheets
I had to wait a very long time for a production run of the sizes of sheet I needed. It was from a local Metals USA location near me in Grand Rapids, MI..and I bought it through my business (not sure how they handle cash deals to individuals). Email me if you’re anywhere nearby and I’ll see what I can do to help! TomsPontoons@gmail.com
Awesome work, how did you cut the rub rail to fit over the sheet
Thank you! I clamp up a little jig and rip it on the table saw. I usually then have to run the circular saw along it to open the gap up slightly, especially when it's 1/8" walls like this one.
Plans ? I would like to build one out of wood
Sorry, just drew it up and modified as I went
What machine are you using to operate your spool gun? And what machine will you tig with?
In Part 1 I do a quick breakdown of my welding machines. They’re both Titanium brand. MIG170 and TIG200. I did a ton of research on what I wanted to purchase to start and they were the most affordable with the best reviews online and on TH-cam.
Nice!!!
Thanks for watching!
How about a tool talk on your equipment?
I heard you mentioned TIG welding but a lot of the welds appear to be MIG. Am I wrong?
I break down my welders in Part 1. I’ll do a walk through on everything in the last part too just to review.
@@tomspontoons thanks!
I got a big project that needs a lot of galvanic corrosion that needs repaired. Looking for a multi process welder and looking for something cost effective and decent. Everlast seems to be on top.
@@TheBubagrunt I’ve heard good things, and definitely better pricing than the big name red and blue welders. Also, I’ve been very happy with my Titanium welders for the money!
Look into yes welder
@@audtinbeckwith7005 I've heard great things about those. I have my eyes on Primeweld's TIG welder if I ever replace mine.
I want to do this so bad I just can’t afford the aluminum
The aluminum was about 1/3 the cost. Still gotta factor in the outboard(s), electrical and fuel systems, trailer, and all the finishes like vinyl, paint, etc. It ALL adds up, but still probably 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of buying a boat from a manufacturer....definitely can't afford that!
How much in aluminum did that cost?
I need to go back and add everything up, but I think it’s around $10K in all of the aluminum.
nice welds
Thank you! I'm still working on consistency, especially in goofy positions. But when I am in a comfortable spot and can see the weld well I am getting a ton better at laying them in there hot and decent looking.
The front of that boat looks awesome Tom I can’t wait to see it finished and how it handles!
You building your trailer too?
Thanks! It's coming right along. Heading out to prep for paint right this minute. I bought a big heavy duty Yacht Club trailer for it. The bottom width has made the trailer part tricky!
@@tomspontoonsI am reminded of the Unlimited hydroplanes, which were tipped up about 70 degrees, and those huge Coast Guard FSDS (Fast Surface Delivery Sled), which were tipped about 110 degrees (yes, they sat in a rack with the port gunwale down and just to the right of a lowboy trailer’s centerline, the starboard gunwale was up in the air above the outer edge of the trailer’s left edge). That way they didn’t have follow wide load regulations.
@@kennethjackson7574 I've seen some big "go-fast" boats being hauled on the highway on hydraulic style trailers that tip them on axis to narrow the load. It's wild to see, but an efficient way to haul without a permit!
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Thanks for watching!
I have an off topic question. If i forget to open the gas vent and drive around for a while and never open it, could that somehow cause some fuel to leak in the engine because of pressure? There was a small amount of gas on the front part of engine cover by the clip when i removed engine cover to replace solenoid but dont know how it got there. Or could trying to start it without enigine turning over cause pressure to build up?
I don’t know exact details on this topic (or what motor you have, but YES. Pressure can build and can push fuel into the carburetor….sometimes making the needle in the carb get stuck. I’ve also heard of pressure blowing the fuel line off a motor and spraying gas all over someone’s garage.
However, sometimes you’ll just get a little fuel out the front if the carburetor which could puddle where you saw it…especially if you tilted the motor up at all.
Very good
Thanks for watching!
i would like to make my own boat but i need diemensions for cutting metal sheet of only floor and side .is it possible to send diemensions?
Bottom sheets are 39" each and 18' long, the side walls are 30" tall and 20' long but cut down after the shape was made with the bow and bottom of the boat.
@@tomspontoons is it possible to send technical data sheet for laser cutting?i will make it with metal sheet and cover with fiberglass please thank you
@@canylmaz5851 I don't have any sort of technical data sheet like that for laser cutting. I just sketched it out on paper and then started putting pieces together.
You might want to clean the aluminum before you weld.
Agreed! Everything gets wiped down with acetone and 99% gets stainless steel wired brushed.
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Very nice video
Thanks!
水的阻力有没有计算过😮
No, I haven't yet.
? No chims. Exterior ones
It’s got 1/8” aluminum angle for outer chines to protect the outside corners and welds underneath.
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Thanks for watching!!!
If its not inappropriate for me to ask. How much $$$ do you have in it so far.
I’ve been tallying every penny I’m spending. With the motors (140 and 9.9) and everything to finish it I’m guessing it’s going to end up just under $30K before accounting for any labor/time. More than I had hoped, but there’s a lot of aluminum and I don’t get any sort of price break buying in small quantities. Pretty sure Wooldridge or North River would be selling this size setup for around $60K or more. In the final part or a follow up video I’ll give the price breakdown.
Any one of a kind build is expensive . If you are looking to build in quantity than plans , jigs and fixtures made will facilitate the next build .
Still , watching this is enjoyable and I look forward to your project once it’s complete !
I hope it meets all your expectations !
@@hotchihuahua1546 Thanks! Yes, having just some stencils for shapes would be huge, but this is a one time build here...I honestly don't want to undertake such a large boat build again!
Greetings Tom, did you draw this build up b4 you started, and if yes, did you stick to the plans or deviate from the plan any? Your recorded build appears as you are building the XW off the cuff. That is not to be taken as a bad thing, but a BAAAD thang😎
BTW, on some of your sped up shots of you welding, the arcs were in sync with the music.
Didn’t mean to sync it up, but hope that adds to the enjoyment!
I have been drawing this hull for 6+ months on grid paper, designing the hull shape, width, etc. I’ve basically stuck to the transom height and width, and length…otherwise there have been a TON of changes and on the fly decisions. Heck, at one point it was going to have a full walk through windshield!!
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I think you meant, oh heck yes, it took me a long time to sync that to the music 🎶 glad you noticed and dug that.
I haven't fabricated many things, but the few I did had trial n error and reworking all over it to get it the way I needed it to be. Did you mention what's going to push it?
@@awakenedtotruth8419 One of the big things with this build compared to my first two was if I didn’t like how something fit up, I cut the tack weld out, sanded it down smooth, and re-fit it. My goal was to fabricate and cut the pieces to make the welding side a piece of cake.
It’s getting a 140 Suzuki tiller with outboard jet conversion. And a 9.9 Yamaha for trolling.
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Why would you screw down a floor in a aluminium boat, that makes no sense
Easier to maintain and get under if I ever need to. I’ve owned several with riveted aluminum floors and hated the sound, lack of comfort, and pain in the neck to service. It’s the beauty of building my own boat…I get to make it exactly how I want it.
Gotta ask: Is it worth it? Not throwing shade, but I don't think 90% of the people watching this realize how much work you're putting in. What are your cost savings?? I know you're getting a custom product, but this has got to be costing you a small fortune in welding materials not to mention your time. Plus, you're building the sh1t out of this boat. Nobody will ever be able to say you half-assed anything - LOL. It'll be rigid, that's for sure.
Nice boat though.
Totally fair questions! And I'll take the building the crap out of it comment as a compliment for sure! Yes, there's a ton more there than meets the eye in terms of welding gear, consumables, and TIME. I estimated about 180 to 200 hours of time into this build...which would be worth somewhere around $15K (if not more) in labor alone....that's where my savings come in to make this possible for us. I wouldn't be able to afford to buy this boat new from a builder or boat company which is why I had to build it myself....and because it's something I love to do! I estimate that I saved myself at least $20K by doing every bit of this build in-house. And we're blessed to have some freedom to tackle something like this day in and day out for a couple months rather than only working on it in the evening and on weekends. The next build I do I will do a thorough price breakdown for everyone to see and compare!
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Why no limber holes to drain water?
The water runs down to the bilge at the rear of the boat so I didn't need to add any drain holes to the floor. There's just a big enough gap for water, but not for tackle or other small items to get through.
@@tomspontoonsI can see them in the center, but the stringers can trap water.
@@grancitodos7318 yes, they could a little, but they’re stitch welded to allow water to move through…and good thing it’ll never see saltwater!!
Atlas micro jacked Jack plate
Definitely could have used one for ultimate fine tuning. Luckily it's running super smooth and clean after motor height adjustment. I built the transom 27" to make it so I could bolt the motor right up and have that nice clean look.
I have a porta bucket on my bay boat I never trim the motor up for trailering I just run the bracket up all the way motor is clear and out of the way and doesn’t bounce when trailering due to the straight up and down orientation
@@thegrouperking luckily the jet sits even with the bottom of the boat, so no trailer worries there!!!
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