What makes a good riven? | Warframe
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- Sure, we all can spot a bad riven from a mile away, but when can it at least be considered good? I explain how to determine what makes a good riven for your weapon.
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This channel is so incredibly underrated great work you're probably the biggest reason I sticked to Warframe
If I were a bad riven, I wouldn't be sitting here discussing it with you now, would I?
THIS. Is something i was *NOT* expecting.
But very welcome from a player with 1k+ hours in that glorious game
One crossed roll, one wayward pinch of purified kuva, one errant click... and *kablooie!*
@@GeorgEduardKippar I get TF2 is an amazing game, but over 1000 hours is a bit much.
@@WayneRoberts72 not really actually. It’s been out for a long time so playing consistently for years would get you to 1000 hours pretty easily.
@@basicallysubhuman8823 '-'
My brother, there's better things to do that could improve your life by 1000% over a year, 6 months, or even just a couple weeks.
I've sacrificed video games (nearly entirely) for my own gain.
Anyways, self-improvement = good.
My God man every game needs a content creator like you, the care and depth in these guides is only outshined by how digestible you make all the info
BTW, your intro is absolute perfection. The music with the icon and the animation with the sound effect in the song. It's a masterpiece.
epitaph is a tricky part as it can function as a:
• aoe primer spam
• slash convert oneshot
• hybrid that primes for itself and other stuff, and slash convert oneshots
for this I found a viral riven to be extremely useful to allow it to cover all 3 of these facets. plus the low disposition means stacking DPS related stats on the riven doesn't do much
I honestly still value direct damage on my bow weapons and their rivens, especially if it combos with another stat that is either generally good or benefits that specific bow. It’s nice to have just a bit of base damage before the arcanes start working on the steel path to help secure those first kills, especially if it replaces another mod or provides an essential utility
Ive got pure damage and multi on my dread, it rapidly became my favorite shotgun of all time.
@@DarkMaidenFlan Split Flights, too?
who plays bows? other than nataruk most bows are garbo
@@shathaan1763 And Bramma and Lenz and Mutalist Cernos. Dread can be fantastic with the right build as well. The rest are pretty mediocre. I feel like I'm forgetting one...Daikyu? It had some specific use at one point or another but it might have just been a combo mod that made a melee weapon stronger or something.
@@srakin9528 bramma lenz and mutalist are all aoe and meta, thats why theyre good, the single shot bows are ridiculously outdated now
I always appreciate the accurate and concise format your videos are in. It suits well to both new players and intermediate players. As someone who struggles to find a concise way to break down the fundamentals of the game to newer friends, this video will serve as a VERY useful tool in guiding them. Thank you 🙏🏻
Absolute gem of a channel. 4k+ hours and still learning thanks to this channel.
I think it really depends on the weapon as to what you want. For example on the MIGHTY SEER you want extra zoom. They're one of the best things in warframe imo but older weapons need to have vasty better rivens to make them good enough to meet the original purpose of rivens
Yea some weapons need 3 riven slots to start giving noticable effects!
With extra zoom seer riven, you can see Fortuna from the plains.
@@morenocasalegno3532 you can see so far ahead that you can see the next update
My -zoom riven for comorex is the only thing that makes it comfortable to play lmao
@@yasyadefen1135 I'm not surprised that sounds nice. - zoom on a few weps is really good
Thanks for the detail explanation I learn a lot about riven awesome video
o shit, a new video, love your stuff!
If the disposition is lower than around 0.7 the main use of a riven mod is utility, getting toxin and cold + something else on the same mod to save room. Otherwise they are never worth using.
Yeah. I was very excited at first when I got an Ignis riven...
And icase of tox/cold, on melee, unranked are even better, so you have enough to proc viral and keep slash value higher. I have a sepfahn I keep this way.
@@morenocasalegno3532 Or you get the ultra rare toxin, cold, and heat combo in one mod
@@Darthmufin that's not good as it looks
After watching some of your videos, I would like to report that you've earned a subscriber here. 😁
Very good information, even with all the caveats - that's just because they're are so many unique cases like the Javlok throw dealing damage based on magazine capacity. The one thing I will say that was missed - an important note about +damage rolls: status proc damage per tic is often not modified by anything other than this stat. In other words many status builds will do more damage over all with +damage. Particularly slash. Since not even adding slash damage increases slash procs. Only +damage.
This will likely never matter - I just thought it was information worth including.
Great guide but 1 thing you left out in many people’s opinion is that to fully outtake a low disposition weapon’s riven, you definitely need a Majorly non impactful negative, take for example a Rubico riven having low disposition, you can have damage, CC and then -reload etc, this can be countered by arcane momentum which you use the rubico prime for eidolons let’s say, having a negative will greatly increase a weapon’s original riven stats
Your videos are so great. Thank you for awesome content.
I've found that status duration can be of particular value on secondaries more so than other weapon classes if your playstyle makes that stat feel helpful, because the normal mods for status duration are so bad (Two mods that each give 30%, compared to 100% on rifles and 110% on melee).
I don't run it on my Ferrox riven, even though that's one of the few ways to increase the status reliability on the throw (since the status chance there is unaffected by status chance mods), simply because continuous misery gives me enough and I get more value out of having different positive stats on the riven.
You could in theory make the same argument for shotguns, since lingering torment also only gives a meager 30% status duration bonus, but if you're running a shotgun you're typically not using that as a primer for another weapon in my experience. (Though of course, you might choose to do so with something like the Cedo or Phantasma.)
I managed to get a god roll riven for the Nataruk: + crit damage, + multishot, -ammo maximum. Love getting that negative on infinite ammo/battery weapons.
The most important thing, as Keengineer said, is the purpose of the riven for the build of the weapon. Also if your riven can cover some slots for your other mod then it's really a win imo
Like my main melee weapon have +range and +fanction dmg that make me can easily replace reach and bane mod for something else
Remember people, don't buy 1 disposition mods. They'll cost you an arm and a leg, and improve the gameplay of the weapon by a fraction too small to notice in most cases.
And a kidney if you're buying a zarr riven.
@@follow6460 Nataruk says hello
Yee like its more akin too a nice bonus then something u want too hunt for
@@Lykun16 cries in CD Cold-punc Naturk riven
A god roll Zarr riven doubles your DPS, so it is not a "fraction."
Hey! It's Apolesse! I just requested a video on this. You are amazing!
thank you for mentioning the other 3 uses for rivens, most riven dealers act like everything that isnt +multi +crit +crit -zoom are absolutely useless
hell yeah another kengineer video
With the addition of galvanized mods and weapon arcanes, a lot of my rivens got powercreeped and it now takes longer to roll for better stats.
Add to that the change to shotgun status chance and a huge chunk of my old riven library has unfortunately become very subpar over the years!
Funny I've been asking around on reddit what makes a good riven since I'm still new to it and then you upload this.
If it works, it works.
Range and speed on my Anku riven with additional combo and speed mods...
Fastest weapon I have, the animations can hardly keep up, as it moves as fast as I can click.
I'd say it's damage output is moderate, nothing past lvl120, but it's fun.
This vid especially needs to be pinned in many places as a reference to give people for when people ask for riven advice. Best thing you can do is just get em edumicated.
I rolled cold and toxin on an arca plasmor riven. That was a boon for my lazy af Profit Taker set up, which uses a tenet plasmor with magnetic damage as its element. If PT sheilds roll to that, viral or Radiation it's one shot and it auto rotates to the next element.
I actually like having the damage on a riven because it makes the weapons more consistent. Because I really hate shooting something in steel path and it not dying until I have arcane stacks. For merciless weapons I like having a BIT of frontliaded damage to help kickstart me to the max. For dexterity weapons tho I agree.
I have this one ogris riven with status chance, damage and electricity is that good?
I find that +Impact is a direct damage multiplier for Slash Conversion Weapons that run Hemorrhage or Internal Bleeding. There is an edge case for Mutualist Cernos, actually. To date, it's one of my biggest dps increasing Rivens solely because the +Impact makes it slash that much more reliably. Its Crit Chance isn't the greatest for Hunter Munitions, but you still want Hunter Munitions because the gas clouds can't slash without it.
In this instance, the increased in +Impact on an already impact heavy weapon is not just a raw damage increase, it weighs the impact status chance to get consistent powerful bleeds because you get most of your viral from the Mutualist clouds rather than the actual arrows. Viral-Munitions from the weaker clouds will bleed out weaker enemies, while Internal Bleeding will bleed out heavy units. It's one of the only weapons that would run both because of how it works, and it's one of the few weapons that needs to save that much more space with a riven.
+Impact still works to a lesser extent on certain weapons aside from that one.
If they ever buff puncture, a +Puncture riven will be fine too, and I imagine the same principle would apply. As a forward thinking investor, I would advise any Puncture Heavy weapons to hold onto their +Puncture rivens, just in case.
careful with this thought line, most commonly used slash convert weapons are ones that force impact regardless of their impact weight, muta cernos is one rare exception however. if you aren't already i'd recommend using unranked cold mod for it's lower viral weight
@@jazzWF That’s fair. I figure most people can spot that when I point out the +impact damage to an impact based weapon. Ken’s vid goes over that outlier as well. You’re right though, I shouldn’t offer that as advice for general use, as this vid offers a far more applicable use case. My info only applies to weapons that achieve viable Internal Bleeding and Hemorrhage without guaranteed impact. I think Ken did a video on that already, come to think.
And yeah, I do run less cold damage. M.Cernos running a singular cold mod gets you viral, cold, and toxin at the same time because of how it works. It doesn’t even need a lot of weighting either as lingering clouds stack viral to 10 extremely quickly. The rate it applies toxin is hilarious, a beefy target ends up with like 200+ Weak toxin stacks.
I’m a fan of unique and novel weapons.
this is cool and all, but how do I calculated the riven values onto the functional values, ie riven for kohm with +100% crit chance and +80 heat and I put it on the kuva kohm what stats would I get
If it's showing you the stats as it would appear on the Kohm, divide by the disposition of the Kohm and multiply by the disposition of the Kuva Kohm. You can find their dispositions on the Warframe wiki.
I have a Twin Kohmak riven with with fire rate and multishot. While its not the best riven its really fun to just spew tons of lead into the enemy.
The true best riven is the one you have most fun with.
Agreed. If it's fun it's great
a bit off topic but i have a question...
where has seeker volley been moved?
i farmed earth pretty well,then after 20 hours ,decided to scan the ships to see what i could get,because i wasnt getting what i wanted.
only to find that the kosma ships dont drop seeker volley.
scanning ships in my arkwing is kinda stupid.how come you guys didnt bitch to de about that?
now im a johnny come latley and ...all the info is wrong.
as for rivens...i roll them until they do something i want them to do.sometimes a riven that i might consider not gud,turns out to be very very gud.
i try them out.
for example i thought that negative travel speed on my cedo riven was bad.and i tried to compensate by upping my time with a mod.while building it out with forma.i had to remove that travel speed mod.when i put it back i noticed that my disc was actually doing less dmg.because it was going too fast.
and it only cost me 250 p.
if i have 2 dmg modifiers on and a negative,im happy.
would i like crit crit dmg or a element on my bubonico riven? tea i guess but 30 rolls in and im not getting it.gonna have to settle,on two dmg modifiers and a negative.
cheers
if someone knows bout the seeker volley thing.send me a mess plz.
im interested in buying a bad riven with 0 re-rolls for cheap for my main weapon and the re-roll it until i get a good one. is that worth it?
Hi... I'm kinda a vet player (2015-2019) i stopped playing around Dec 2019 and started playing again this month , i know how riven work and it's mission but i kinda forgot how to get a veiled riven also.... What's riven sliver how do you get it? And what to do about it to make it into an riven mod
I've got such a weird riven for my vaykor marelok but I love it. It's got +slash,+crit chance, +damage to corpus, and -magazine capacity.
You'd think magazine capacity on a pistol with a relatively low magazine anyway would be a bad thing, but nope. I've found simply putting primed Quickdraw on it actually results in me attacking faster with the riven on than I do with Primed Quickdraw+gunslinger combined. It's such a strange interaction but I love it. I don't get to nerd out about how weird and cool my marelok riven is very often, so I wanted to share it here and ask if anyone else has had some super wacky riven interactions with any other weapons. Rivens unlock so much weird stuff
I got a zaw riven with 200% impact and I use shattering impact with it. Currently 2 hits to completely strip acolyte armor and it’s not fully ranked yet
I think for the best possible riven is it must have 3 positives that focused stats that works with the weapons primary build while it's negative can effect 1 of 2 thing
1 can take away from a stat that can be easily rebuilt
2 can take away a stat that's useless to the weapon like crit weapon don't have much use for status
Rivens are something I never understood in this game, I do some rolling, get stats that I think are good, show it to my clan leader (a veteran), he says its trash, I roll again, rinse and repeat.
the thing with rivens is that if it doesn't boost the crits or damage of a weapon everyone will deem them as trash which is 100% false
that said any roll can be good and rivens are subjective but most of the players decided to make a meta out of them so instead of asking other players about what's good my suggestion is look at the weapon you got the mod for and base what you think the riven should have off of the weapon itself
@@theunhingedgamer3762 it's math, if a riven doesn't provide a greater damage increase than a normal mod, then it's mathematically trash.
A bad riven can be fun to use for many players, but it's bad nonetheless.
@@just_one23 but I've also seen people go "oh no crit? trash". Yes, let me roll a 300% crit chance riven...and put it on my 5% base crit chance weapon
@@incog0956 well, not every player understands damage calculations to check what is and what isn't good on a weapon, those that do not are not meta players, and those are also the ones we can make profit of.
Lmao the eternal loop you will never reach something that can satisfy vets
I have a lot of rivens (over 60) from which only one is my fav, a glaive riven with cc, cd and -attack sperd. That shit is insanely good
I searched for a league riven guide and got this instead
no regrets
Can there be negative magazine capacity on a Vectis riven?
Yes and its sought after for Primed Chamber builds
I like this video of slow projectile Riven, because is literally a spectacle of bullets in slow motion and fill a camp XD
I've got a Riven that at base has +5.6% reload speed, +9.7% critical damage and +16.1% critical chance (re-rolled 3 times), and it goes on my vasto prime...I just don't know what to do with it
Just got a cedo riven with cold, toxin, multi shot -status duration. Any good?
it would be good for a hunter munitions cedo tho the negitive COULD hurt u key word COULD since u freed up 2 mod slots u could fit status duration to off set it a bit
The best rivens are the ones that make weapons do things that they aren't really designed to do.
My dread is a shotgun now! Sure, i could be boring af and roll if for cc and cd with - impact for max boring town. But I love it as a unlimited range 6 pellet shotgun with 2.5 meters of punch through.
Someone told me the polarity and MR effect the possible rolls on a riven, is that true? Like, for example, they said a Madurai polarity of atleast MR 10 is worth going for, and that my Vazarin polarity with MR 8 is useless. I kinda wanna believe it, because I'm nearly 300 rolls in, and no god roll.
Pure trashtalk
No love for elemental rivens? Elementals are very good since most weapons need at least two of them, and since they have diminishing returns, it's a good choice over a second elemental mod. Also there is no galvanized elemental mod, which makes it a better choice than many +damage, +multishot of +crit chance rivens!
I call out element options as a useful option for combined-stat rivens. Any element on a riven can be helpful, but can also be a problem for modding. Always depends on the weapon and the intended build(s).
Enjoying it.
I got a huge combo duration increase for my vastilok that I use on baruuk
You forgot the fifth way to use a Riven: Memes. Zita Wup is very good at this.
Direct damage is one of the best stats to have on an Eidolon hunting sniper like rubico prime or Vectis prime. Direct damage only loses value where arcanes and galvanized mods/CO take over.
Dang, what was that rubico build??
What is a primer? Is it a prime version of the weapon?
A primer is a comunity term used to refere to a weapon that only exists to proc a lot of status as fast as possible so mods like Condition overload or the galvanised status mods give a higher damage bonus
please post videos only how to play solo disruption like you did in this
Don't forget about negative multishot. It's great for "meme rivens"
I have a Guandao riven with AS/CD/RANGE and negative chance for combo. People say the the beg is bad but in my own use it's barely noticeable while stacking and completely a nonissue when at 12x
Negative is bad, how bad depends how high % is the chance not to gain combo
It slows up the ramp up to full combo or worst case prevents.
@@ToniFalck it's only-50% and in my testing and usage it's only takes a few more seconds to hit max combo than without and once you do, the neg literally does nothing.
Multi shot always makes me say "that's 65 percent more bullet per bullet" cause I'm old and boring.
More bullet per bullet is good bullet
Grineer dmg on rivens is one of the best stats bcz of most people go vs grineer missions at high level missions
Vectis and Grakata are 2 oddball.
Ah reminds me of the days when I played with my soma prime and its riven, poor soma prime how the game has changed.
Edge case for +Impact: Hemorrhage. If a weapon is barely failing to meet the requirements to run Hemorrhage, a +Impact riven CAN be useful, but this is only on secondaries.
Faction damage negative is a harmless one for stat stick rivens.
Me realizing that i don't need a riven to make a good build on weapon (there are exceptions) and for some reason i get almost god rolls when i'm bored, the worst part i don't use rivens
The only reason i find understandable to don't use those rivens are just because i don't use those weapons
Been looking for a utility riven for the azima for my saryn for 2 years now. Finding a +Magazine/+Multishot/+Punch/-Fire Rate has been impossible. It's wild how many people give me crap for specifically looking for that roll. 😕 I wanna spread spores while eating pizza rolls don't judge me.
my firerate and reload riven on my twin vipers is one of the most op mods in the game
At 9:00 how is he using both the epitaph and the Glaive Prime??? I've never seen that before
Glaives allow one handed secondaries to be used alongside them as an innate feature.
@@TheKengineer Really? I'm getting the euphona prime soon, is that a 1 handed secondary? I would love to use the Falcor and Euphona together
@@osamabinballin3847 It is a one handed secondary, yes
I have a God Roll Serro riven, +CC +CD +DMG and -CC on slide.
Only 1 roll.
I think that would count as a good riven.
Hi ken! Can u make a video about the galvanized status mods? Like galv aptitude. Its bugged right now and on some weapons it does multiplicative damage. I wouldd really love to know if just stacking base damage mods like serration is better than crit or bane mods
he did a video on all galvanized mods when they game out
Hi, I am aware of the issues others have highlighted with these mods and such a video is in my list of topics I may cover. No guarantees though.
Got lucky getting +ammo, dmg,multi and -zoom on akarius riven
Concerning status chance and therefore its damage.... is reaching 100% enough?
depends on the weapon its on
I recently pulled a fulmin riven with tox, damage, -ammo max(you know, that thing the fulmin doesn't have). It's a great roll with only 1 problem... that ammo max affects my secondary ammo. Not a problem really 20% is nothing for most weapons and nothing on the fulmin itself.
Try rerolling until you get reload speed. It's a huge difference. Mine has reload, damage, and projectile speed. The shotgun mode can hit stuff across the map.
This video spent a lot of time on stats, but I think there are a few even more important factors. Disposition is everything. 0.5 disposition means you spend thousands on a riven that is probably not noticeably better on the meta weapon you are using. 1.5 is great, but lots of weapons are so abysmal that no modding can make it competitive. The real dream is an underutilized weapon that is actually fantastic. Dakra Prime is a great example. Its a top melee weapon even without a riven, but the disposition is surprisingly favorable (1.1).
They made some changes to cold and puncture and apparently puncture is now a decent choice on crit weapons
Neither puncture nor slash damage mods will ever be good, though I think if you've got 3 pluses with one of them being puncture it will be serviceable
Luck/Plat and lots of red chili.
Kachow!
Nice
Basically a riven with good synergy, and RELATIVELY good stats. There is no definite answer.
I have one locked, dont even know what it does 😅😓😢
try and rolling a "godroll" utility riven, for example +mag size, +reload speed, +fire rate any- for an already good weapon, some guns fell so fucking good with this type of utility.
I had a "fuck the Corpus" Gaze Riven for my first ever roll. It was status, toxin damage, and Corpus damage. I asked a friend if it was good and his response was "No. Give it to me."
I'm just too lazy to find a good riven lol
weapons have trade-offs. A good riven counteracts those negative aspects of the trade-offs, so it depends on the weapon. At least that is my strategy.
-Damage
-Crit chance
-Crit Damage
+Zoom
This is a question that is often asked and rarely gets a solid answer: "Do rivens get higher stats when the mastery rank requirement of a riven is higher?" or it does not have to do with stats at all and it is only a mastery requirement?
Last I check the MR on rivens has no effect on stat rolls, each stat has a RNG range it can roll IE crit chance 45-55% status chance 65-75% etc, which changes based on if its 2 or 3 stats and negative stat or no negative stat, which then finally gets increased or decreased based on disposition.
mr does not effect riven stats only the dispo effects it
tho the dispo is kinda weird
Beats me idk how to get Rivens
Anyone totally know ALL OF THIS…but still watches these videos just incase?
The Market Though
This is all good to know
but the problem is convincing the Market of these things as well
I can have an excellent Riven but no one wants to buy because everyone still thinks anything that's not Dam/MS is garbage....
didnt talk about status duration on rivens, literally shaking and crying rn
well yeah status duration doesnt do that much besides for experdite builds
My personal favorite kind of riven is meme ones. Like increased fire rate on my prisma grakata
meme rivens are best rivens.
I really love -100% multishot ones, or -100% damage ones.
The former makes you shoot without projectiles at all and the latter actually completely removes damage section from weapon stat screen if equipped, since it no longer has any damage >_
of minus fire rate on certain weapons
So did you rename your weapon Mo Dakka?
The video was fantastic but I think you severely undersold the uses of getting an element or firerate. Typically you want a firerate mod and 99% of the time you also want at least one elemental mod. A riven can completely replace that mod to help make the desired combination while ALSO adding a good chunk of damage through crits, damage, faction, or multishot on top of doing what the replaced mod would have already. As im sure you know this I simply wanted to state that the importance of this cannot be ignored and your video largely failed to address it. It doesn't detract from the rest of the advice however.
I don’t wanna sound like I’m promoting but you price check my atterax riv for me in my latest, no on ps5/4 knows
What makes a riven good, is exactly the type of build you are going for.
eidolon guide pls ;-;
Notification squad, sound off
That's easy. If it increases your kps, it's good. If it doesn't, reroll that shit.
I don't find this information helpfull much it seems like basic knowledge.I would rather know when i look at riven what is the main stat on that weopn I should be trying to roll for ie is it a status weapon is it a crit weapon .I was told to look at the highest stat on the weapon and go for that.Aint nonone taking in game so its hard to find any help.
Used this video to see if i wanted +286% crit chance and +150% multishot or +150 fire and +125 toxin.
Got the cit and multi only to find out my MR 9 ass has to wait till im 16 to use it. Sometimes this game infuriates me.
Why would you need fart riven when you can get all the stats you usually want (unless it's a stug with no crits)
Two years later I came by for a refresher only to disregard the video because I like my racist Sporathrix riven 😂