The Most Hated Character In Persona

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  • @nerogoro
    @nerogoro  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Who do you guys think is the most annoying character in Persona?

    • @hyperten5906
      @hyperten5906 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      morgana

    • @wasopdenyer
      @wasopdenyer 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@nerogoro morgana

    • @WaterEater1997
      @WaterEater1997 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Teddie

    • @julioomega96
      @julioomega96 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Mishima.

    • @ShadowOfMassDestruction
      @ShadowOfMassDestruction 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@nerogoro Rise. I only say this because Chie is my Queen and I really don't need some privileged idol girl swarming around like a bee but other than that her character is fine.

  • @LoneWolf-on8ht
    @LoneWolf-on8ht 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    As annoying and condescending this simp he occasionally made throughout the game, he at least did not involved in the worst moment that would make him complete hateable: Beating up the living crap on Ryuji after finishing up Shido's palace

    • @charlescaulkins8306
      @charlescaulkins8306 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The entire Phantom Thieves group kinda suck IMO. They aren't as endearing as SEES of the Investigation Team because they are teens angry at the system (which admittedly IS very bad). And I will always be annoyed how Royal hamfisted events with Yoshizawa even when not doing her confidant link. All to make us believe she's "the one" for Joker when she doesn't even join the team until the bonus segment post-game.

    • @Loner098
      @Loner098 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      It's one thing to beat Ryuji up (remember; Ryuji is technically a victim of physical abuse by his father and Kamoshida), but you really gor another thing coming when his friends just leave him unconscious when there are also mostly guards outside. And Joker, who knows how much of a bro Ryuji is to him, walking away just feels really out-of-character.

    • @p3mcthedoor32
      @p3mcthedoor32 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@charlescaulkins8306 My biggest problem with them is that they're stupid for a team that should lay low. Everyone may point out Ryuji saying their group out loud in public but for starters, they have a group chat saved in their phones so if they get confiscated, they're cooked. Morgana exposed themselves to Haru because he wanted to satisfy his ego that time. And how they choose Leblanc as their hideout of all places not to mention Joker somehow didn't notice any CCTVs in it (this is how Futaba discovered them) is pretty baffling.

  • @izzy1356
    @izzy1356 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Admittedly I don't really care much for Morgana as a character... But I think a lot of the issues he has can be boiled down to the writers not knowing what to even do with him.
    He's the mentor figure. Until he's not.
    He's the support. Until he's not.
    He's the navigator. Until he's not.
    Ryuji's not simping? Here comes Morgana.
    Ryuji's not being brash for once, and we need conflict to spice things up? Morgana fills in temporarily and acts like a bratty kid.
    We need someone serious to tell everyone to calm down? Who needs Yusuke or Makoto, we got Morgana.
    We need a planner for Phantom Thief heists? Futaba's got it covered.
    We need a partner for Joker to talk with in Third Semester? Morgana who? We have Akechi at home.
    He's constantly flip-flopping as a character for the sake of staying relevant, even his manner of speaking is hard to pin down. Some times he sounds like Yusuke or Makoto, others he sounds like Ryuji and Third Sem Akechi, etcetera.
    And I think a lot of people pick up on that, but it's hard to actually *notice* unless you lay it all out like this. So the easiest example to showcase is the Okumura Arc (and even then, people focus more on Morgana being a prick, and not that Morgana's *always* had this relevancy issue and this is just the most glaring one).

    • @Seol2797
      @Seol2797 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah, it bothers me that nobody really pays attention to the cutscenes where morgana is bottling feeling useless and insecure up for months on end the moment more and more thieves join with talents he has. (Makoto and Futaba especially.), thus justifying his outrage a little bit when he eventually lets all those emotions out.

    • @ShadowOfMassDestruction
      @ShadowOfMassDestruction วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@Seol2797 The problem that I had with both Ryuji and Morgana in the Okumura arc is that when the arc turned over they started insulting each other out of nowhere in order to set up this "development" of their characters even though all it served to do is make them look dumb for a while in a very cartoony Loud House way and reset the team back to how it already was before the arc started.

  • @Zackylo_D_Mofo
    @Zackylo_D_Mofo 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    I feel really weird about my opinions ngl. Tbh, I don't really, nor ever have disliked either Teddie or Morgana. I think I just have a tendency to not hate on the characters people find annoying.

    • @ShadowOfMassDestruction
      @ShadowOfMassDestruction 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same here

    • @MixingMagic09
      @MixingMagic09 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed

    • @motherplayer
      @motherplayer วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Annoying is subjective at times. Usually whats annoying to one isn't all that bad to another. I know that feeling too, rarely on the boat of finding most annoying things annoying.

    • @topfranluis1
      @topfranluis1 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Teddie is a pedophile though…

    • @alextoygamer14
      @alextoygamer14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I didn't think Morgana was a hated character!? I thought he was one of the most liked characters in the game... I mean he's my 2nd favorite character right under akechi and Joker is 3rd and Ryuji is 4th

  • @NetherTamer
    @NetherTamer 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +67

    I'm not a big fan of Morgana, but my annoyances really just boil down to the story. The could've done so much better with the fight between the Phantom Thieves and not have it shoved into Haru's arc, or even if they did have Haru actually help them out instead of picking a side and worsening the conflict even more.
    I also feel like they should've taken some of Morgana's traits down a notch like the constant simping for Ann and the berating of Ryuji.

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Morgana's character flaws are no more pronounced than the other Phantom thieves. Morgana just happens to be the one character among the party members with the most screen time. If any of the other party members had as much screen time as Morgana, they'd have more than likely been met with the same backlash. The players aren't allowed a recess from Morgana, but it had to be done because Morgana is too important to the story.

    • @nerogoro
      @nerogoro  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Yeah, to be honest his “comedic” traits should be a lot more general rather than being restricted to him saying he’s a human and not a cat, simping for Ann, and shitting on Ryuji all the time. Yusuke for example, his comedic trait is that he’s weird and not self aware of his weirdness which diversifies the jokes he can make. So, it’s true Morgana’s comedic traits are going to be annoying at some point. Also, the whole beef between Morgana and the Phantom Thieves should’ve been done not during a serious arc which I agree with you.

    • @OmniMon94
      @OmniMon94 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nerogoro indeed, these arcs could have been done in a mementos request or something to really write down how the thieves developed in mementos which is at this point the main side dungeon so that they dont have to do it during a major palace arc unless if it works (Ann and the whole Kamoshida thing for example). Idk if this is a good example so feel free to correct me on anything

    • @Mermain123
      @Mermain123 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think they should have switched up the kaneshiro and okumara arcs
      give haru all the development she needs
      give makoto all her build up as usual but morgan has a big argument there an makoto gets her development during Sae's palace.
      makoto wouldn't be robbed because she has a whole other palace dedicated to her sister so giving morgana the focus won't take away another character's focus

    • @OmniMon94
      @OmniMon94 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Mermain123 ok that's smart, you have a genuine great idea. Makoto is introduced already with not much build up but she does have an arc somewhat in Sae's palace
      The Morgana arc really could take place during Kaneshiro because as you said Makoto already has 2 palaces where she shines

  • @maverick5169
    @maverick5169 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    The hate towards Morgana comes from many things that became more than the sum of their parts
    As you said, the most apparent thing is that nobody cares about the constant insults Morgana throws at Ryuji but the moment Ryuji says something, the game itself wants to shove in our throat the fact that he is in the wrong, deciding things for us. The game wants us to think Morgana is so important that we cannot do anything without him, seriously, when he is gone the player can't visit the city or the dungeons. If the game simply said "continue your adventure without him for a while", the whole thing would have been much more bearable, hell it would have been cool to have slower and more dangerous mementos explorations with the gang organically realizing that yes, Morgana was useful. But nooooooo, I cannot play the game without the whiny cat, he is THAT important and the game already decided he is in the right.
    And his other dialogue? It's incredibly repetitive. The very first thing he says in Strikers is him drooling over Ann, the first timed sidequest in Strikers is long, annoying and of course, it's him simping for Ann. Yes game I get it, he likes Ann, shut up. And no, that one scene where he agrees with Ryuji about Sophia isn't enough for making me think "wow they really are friends", because he has been an abusive, one-track minded hypocrite for 100+ hours in the original game.
    He also suffers from being the worst character in the game, a weakling like him should really stop talking cr4p when everyone else is miles better than him

  • @DVD-p2j
    @DVD-p2j 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    They hate him for being the "cock block" of mechanics, I think if it was Joker that said the lines to himself and still restricted you from doing shit he would get the hate. I love Morgana, definetly a lot more "bear" able than Teddie.

    • @thecatinthehat125
      @thecatinthehat125 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      What have you got against Teddie? He’s the bearst.

    • @St4rTr3v1Ut10n
      @St4rTr3v1Ut10n วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I could see it, just his nature. Everything he says is like it's the most amazing thing ever, his voice is high-pitched, which is typically annoying for a male, and nothing he does would be approved for liberal audiences these days. He's one of my faves in P4, but I see why people don't like him ​@thecatinthehat125

    • @Joker3180Z
      @Joker3180Z วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I actually do that in Royal

    • @brave_jedi9437
      @brave_jedi9437 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What’s a cock block? I’ve never heard of that term before

  • @mistiegames4220
    @mistiegames4220 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    I actually like Morgana. Honestly, in Persona 5, having a talking cat who accompanies you in everything is pretty funny and atmospheric in the style of P5. But I really don't like when he simping Ann and says he's human every 15 seconds.

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He was human though… at least he was supposed to be. Lavenza F***ed up the creation process and made him appear to be a cat and thus he was visually and audibly a cat even though he doesn’t act like one

    • @mistiegames4220
      @mistiegames4220 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@phillemon7664 where did it said? I never hear anything about this. And why do you blame Lavenza at all? Morgana was created by Igor and that's it, it was all said in the game and nothing about Lavenza. And considering how respectfully Morgana treated Lavenza, it means he has nothing bad to do with her. And yet he was never being a human.

    • @raikasha8152
      @raikasha8152 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@mistiegames4220 Plus it makes sense from a story standpoint. Igor created Morgana to assist Joker in Mementos *(which is why Morgana had an innate knowledge of Metaverase)* and it makes way more sense for Joker to have a harmless beloved small animal that can follow him anywhere around than rather than a nameless boy with no background. Phil here is just making random connections

    • @mistiegames4220
      @mistiegames4220 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@raikasha8152 But maybe it was mentioned in some spin-offs like Strikers. But I only played P5R and I have not heard anything about Lavenza having a hand in creating Morgana. I remember Morgana saying that he was born in the Velvet Room and his master is Igor, to which Igor replied "Indeed".

    • @raikasha8152
      @raikasha8152 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mistiegames4220 I remember it. When Yaldabaoth was taking over the Velvet Room Igor with the last of his power before being sealed created Morgana to aid Joker and "Help Man's Spiritual World" paraphrasing but it involved that. Plus you mentioning Igor being Morgana's master backs up what I said.

  • @Clayinator
    @Clayinator 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    I actually like Morgana. Yes he is indeed annoying. But I love the character arc he grows through of finding his purpose the entire game. It actually works well with who Joker is as a character as well. Joker was always a character to prove his worth and fit in society. Morgana is trying to find a purpose in society. They go together pretty well. I also love Morgana’s design. It’s one of the most unique and great designs in the series. But I can see why people could hate him. But honestly there are way worse characters in Persona to hate.

  • @Johhnnny
    @Johhnnny 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    1:45 APOLLO MENTIONED 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @julioomega96
    @julioomega96 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Aigis: Best Mascot Lore wise
    Teddie: Best Mascot gameplay wise
    Morgana: Mascot.

    • @Eternalwarpuppy
      @Eternalwarpuppy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I would say Persona 3's mascot was a bit more doglike than Aegis.

    • @CuteRedPanda64
      @CuteRedPanda64 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sophie to Morgana: Hold my Yo-yos

    • @CuteRedPanda64
      @CuteRedPanda64 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sophie to Morgana: Hold my Yo-yos

  • @Hawkow_Ruby
    @Hawkow_Ruby 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    i don't get the hate for him i'm morgana's biggest defender

    • @ashmintyrina
      @ashmintyrina 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      for real

    • @cathamood1233
      @cathamood1233 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ima glaze morogana forever

    • @lassesj200
      @lassesj200 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Same here! One of his biggest defenders, and also fan

    • @legatosaldana3870
      @legatosaldana3870 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Me too! Honestly the only part in the game I didn’t like him was the Morgana ark, not saying he completely sucked then, but it just stole the opportunity to give Haru an ark.

    • @lassesj200
      @lassesj200 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@legatosaldana3870 Even then, i still felt as sad as Joker did in that section, if not even more so that he was gone

  • @alextihor1190
    @alextihor1190 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    My main issue is that a lot of the time Morganas lines could be Joker's, which would give him more characterization. I guess people need that immersion, but it also breaks it when you're constantly silent but people seem to just think youre a blast to be around with.

    • @ShadowOfMassDestruction
      @ShadowOfMassDestruction 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@alextihor1190 Joker is the best characterized protag in my opinion through the dialogue options though. Even when the choices are three way you can garner Ren's mischievous nature through the phrasing of each one compared to when I first got into Persona going backwards to 3 and 4 Makoto and Yu felt so incredibly bland at the time cause most the dialogue options didn't specify anything about them or how they would talk at all and it took me watching their Anime to get their characters.

    • @penguinpulverizers5985
      @penguinpulverizers5985 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@ShadowOfMassDestruction Joker was characterised better through the casino heist opening than the other two were their entire games 😭

    • @ShadowOfMassDestruction
      @ShadowOfMassDestruction วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@penguinpulverizers5985 Exactly bro!

  • @Loner098
    @Loner098 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    To restate what another comment by @JJ_R said about the Okumura arc, they pretty much described my feelings perfectly about why it felt so underwhelming.
    Despite coming about due to his identity crisis, the scene of Morgana leaving the team while having an outburst makes it seem like he wants respect. After all, once Okumura was taken down (somehow, since Morana couldn't exactly mass-produce a calling card on his own), the public could see it as the Phantom Thieves' work, not just a single member. That line of his, along with the flashback, as well as his line of showing "who the useless one actually is," makes it sound like Morgana left because he feels belittled by the other Phantom Thieves... despite other examples that are *not* brought up over Morgana’s lack of skill; like Ryuji calling Morgana useless for *only* being able to transform into a van. Not only that, but during that whole scene, *only* Ryuji belittles Morgana (while Ann just yells *only* at Ryuji to stop and not at Morgana), no one else does, yet it’s enough to make Morgana leave. It comes across as Morgana throwing a tantrum, especially since he refused to talk about *why* he's feeling that way.
    This eventually leads to the next part as to why people don't like the introduction to this arc: The remaining week had absolutely no free time. Because of that, the only engagement the player has right now is with the story (and the plant in your room, I guess). I guarantee this would not be the case, if you could do anything else; maybe work out to prepare yourself if Morgana is in danger and make infiltration tools for the Palace you're going to, but nope. Joker is apparently too worried about Morgana to function properly; we can't even decorate the room a little without him.
    And due to Morgana jumping the gun, this Palace as a spaceship really doesn't feel... organic. Because of that, we never actually see Okumura Foods employees in the real world. All we see of them are robots. That was not the case in any other palaces up to that point; we saw Shujin students suffering in both the real world and in Kamoshida’s & Kaneshiro’s Palaces as well as being able to see Madarame’s pupils in dire straits both in and out of his palace. Futaba could’ve been the exception since she was the only one suffering from her own Palace, but even then, we saw her suffering in the real world as well. Here, though? There is no view of an Okumura Foods employee suffering in the real world, be it complaining and/or overworked. The ONLY ones who are *technically* suffering both in and out Okumura's palace are Haru and her fiancé (he exactly at all suffering from Okumura's palace, but you could still infer what Okumura truly thought of him). This all lends itself to an overarching problem that this is Morgana's arc, considering most of the attention is focused on him, despite the game’s efforts in justifying the Phantom Thieves' actions.

  • @LeeVization
    @LeeVization 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I hope in P6 if we get an animal character they're more like Koromaru instead of Morgana

  • @Kira_Official_
    @Kira_Official_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I personally don't really think Morgana halting player progression is all that bad. I don't mind it, because then the challenge becomes "How do you make the most progress in the most efficient way possible?". The game is already about planning out how you're going to spend your day, and I think Morgana making the player go to bed adds an extra layer to it. Do you go to momentos/palace and sacrifice confidant progression or do you sacrifice palace/momentos progression for leveling up confidants or your stats? Then if you play right and spend time with the right people, you can make further progress in either the real world or metaverse world or both, significantly faster. I don't know if that was the intention of why they had Morgana do that, but unfortunately it had the negative side affect of making people hate him.

    • @silverman1205
      @silverman1205 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The main issue I have personally is that he will sometimes stop you from going out for seemingly no reason besides the story saying so. You didn't go into the metaverse that day, there is no big infiltration the next day, instead all that happened is plot exposition occurred.

  • @reygartv9184
    @reygartv9184 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    galica is the best mascot from atlus games

  • @ScatteredMartianThoughts
    @ScatteredMartianThoughts 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    While Morgana can be annoying at times, I've always thought that Nozomi Suemitsu (Moon Arcana in Persona 3) was a stronger candidate for most hated within the Persona series.

    • @tohrumatoi
      @tohrumatoi 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair, you can say that for any of the moon arcana characters from 3-5, especially Ai in 4, she's almost as bad as Yukari lol.

    • @nerogoro
      @nerogoro  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I tried to advance his Social Link, I just couldn’t do it man 😭🙏

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      In fairness, Nozomi being borderline unlikable was the entire point. The Moon characters are very much people struggling with self hatred. They're text book examples of many who deal with clinical depression. Horrible people who knowingly and willingly behave as such because they truly believe themselves unworthy of being decent people. It's not necessarily a pleasant story, but an important story that is all too real. I didn't understand the Moon characters that well myself until after I watched Bojack Horseman. Helped me understand the full context of why the Moon characters exist.

    • @CrunchMunchzx
      @CrunchMunchzx 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Mishima is the only Moon Arcana I found at least decent💀

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @CrunchMunchzx For better or worse, Mishima is the most relatable character belonging to the Moon.

  • @RaxonXVI
    @RaxonXVI 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    He's one of my all time favorite characters and is a comfort character for me I absolutely love Mona

  • @79bigcat
    @79bigcat วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'd say Morgana acting as a pseudo narrator gets soured from the first playthrough. This is due to the player learning to manage the calendar effectively, the need to grind social stats, and lacking Kawakami's massage perk(which allows you to use the night timeslot after an infiltration). Royal further tried to mitigate the frustration by allowing the player to do things in LeBlanc during the nights where the plot locks you out (and removing the DVD late fees). Easily could have been fixed if they were Joker's thought bubbles saying "I'm tired" or "This can wait," instead.
    Morgana is a character introduced at the start of the game, so are Ryuji and Ann. I find it odd that Atlus decided to handle all their arcs differently:
    Ann pretty much gets shelved partway through the Madarame arc once Yusuke joins the team and the story needs to emphasize him. This relegates her development to her confidant which never ties back into the main plot because they can't be sure how much the player worked on.
    Ryuji has his arc sprinkled in between the main ones. So his character development gets slow rolled through the game. Tellingly, Ryuji is probably the most outspoken on where he stands with the others: butts heads with Morgana, the playful back and forth teasing with Ann, watching out for Yusuke when he is alone or hungry, and the fear and respect for Makoto.
    And Morgana has his blowout which upstages the new character who should have had the spotlight. If they were trying to set up a parallel between his identity crisis and Haru, I don't see it. He got foisted out of his role by someone who could better, she is denied agency and her role was chosen for her. Ironically, in terms of moveset: Morgana is pigeonholed into a healer, where Haru has a more flexible skill kit.

  • @pixet4432
    @pixet4432 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I interpreted his beef with Ryuji as friendly (two-sided) banter (it sure is one after Okumura's, there's a set of dialogue in Mementos that occur between them when you delve deeper), and the game does try to give the impression that it's two-sided banter went too far. Explained by Ryuji being a generally tactless person.
    But at one point I've kind of given up on that point, considering that their banter doesn't have a good introduction and is started by Morgana more than anything. (Which you can argue is poor writing but whatever.) It's just wrong for Morgana to be insulting then give up and run away when he's insulted back. The running away scene outright villainized Morgana more than it portrayed him as a frustrated friend in need. It came out of nowhere considering what the recent story has been building up about Morgana until that point.
    There's depth to Morgana since you can appreciate the selfish to selfless transition that feels natural without being condescending in itself, since Morgana comes out of his shell. He's notably nice and caring to Futaba when she herself is opening up. Depth can be added when his depression kicks in, causing there to be a crossroad that forces a choice of returning back to how he started or seeing things through (he chose the latter), and overall Morgana seems to have an interesting development composition. But again, the running away scene.
    The other personal gripe I have with Morgana is how sometimes his portrayal has him only exist to be cute. See majority of the anime cutscenes, especially the openings, and you'll notice he has no meaningful characterization past the guidelines compared to the rest of the cast.
    Lastly, Morgana should've completely gone over Ann. I'd give him four arcs so he wraps everything up in Okumura's. That's why his obsession with treasure is buried for good: because it's concluded. Otherwise it's a portrayed character flaw that is never meaningfully resolved.
    Idk what Morgana is and if he's really a well-designed character or if Hashino was directing out of his ass but I'm gonna trust the quality of the game to be consistent. (Fans in Japan love Morgana apparently.)

    • @nerogoro
      @nerogoro  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yeah, Japan just love cute things I suppose 😭 but I do agree that the scene where he runs away is more ‘villainizing’ him rather than being an important development for him. That scene did a lot of damage to the arc and Haru’s character which was a really bad part on the writers.

  • @heiispoon3017
    @heiispoon3017 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Everytime I replay the game Im now starting to see and understand ( a lil bit) on how complex and hard it is, the stories of each character arc (including the other confidants) weave into the game mechanics and at the same time, balance story progression of the plot...
    Thank God for the New game plus feature on this RPGS!!
    Agreed on Haru's arc being overshadowed by Morgana and Ryuji feud. So far in P3Fes and P5R, the trend or vibe for empress social link having a limited exposure ( or screen time? I cant find the right word...) on the main story is truly evident. ( I have not included Margaret from P4 since it is quite different compared to Mitsuru and Haru's situation)
    Now that I think about it Haru and Mitsuru are kinda alike in some aspects...still, l love both characters! On my later play throughs(p3reload and P5R) I favor choosing them for the ingame events to balance things out.

  • @ActuallyMooncake
    @ActuallyMooncake 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Idk what yall got honestly Morgana is awesome

  • @overrated2975
    @overrated2975 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the arc they chose for morgana, and it didn’t exactly come out of nowhere (morgana had been feuding with ryuji from the start and it has really escalated by kanashiro). The main issue has always been the placement.
    It’s always been kinda interesting to see almost nobody levy the morgana and ryuji fight against ryuji, but almost always say it’s the main reason they find morgana annoying. Sure obviously ryuji is typically more likable but I always find ryuji’s comments about morgana being completely useless hollow because just a few weeks earlier in game morgana saved literally everyone’s lives in the pyramid escape at the end of futaba’s palace.
    It’s also important to remember that morgana didn’t exclusively leave because of ryuji’s comments, ann and to a lesser extent futaba both pretty demeaning towards him either during the big fight or before it. Morgana did leave for that short while because he was upset over being called worthless a bunch, but I’ve also interpreted it as morgana leaving because he himself believes he’s becoming worthless and not just because he’s getting shit on by some of the members. Either way there should have been a better way to introduce Haru and she will forever be one of the most unfortunately inconsequential party members for it.
    Btw teddie is way worse, the only thing he has going for him is an good moveset at best

    • @Krimsin01
      @Krimsin01 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      honestly, i prefer having morgana on my team than teddie

    • @overrated2975
      @overrated2975 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Krimsin01 teddie does have to compete with yukiko for the healer/magic user slot, which is a pretty tall ask

  • @KuranKn1xx
    @KuranKn1xx 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I think my main issue with Morgana was they tried so hard to make him a trouble character and he kept getting on my nerves because of it.
    They showed him having this bad dream like 4-5 times and each time he kept bringing it up and then just backtracking on the entire conversation. 1-2 times, I get, you don’t wanna make everyone worry and it’s really not that deep, dreams happen more than once. But 4-5 times and you’re still just edging the conversation? Like stfu at that point. And the whole thing around his memory and how he kept remembering that he was forgetting something, rather than actually remembering what he forgot was getting more annoying each time. It was fine in the beginning it was a first for everything, I was just meeting the characters and assembling the team and learning more about them. But then he keeps on doing this, even up to when I’m going through the ending, he still on this bs. It just got so irritating every time. I’m like “Bro we are this far in and you’re still fucking around, lock in.” Do I hate Morgana, no, do I think he’s really fucking annoying and really useful at times? Yes.

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That was the point. Morgana puts on a facade to mask his insecurity. Joker is the only person Morgana is completely straight with. He was fearful that if he truly was some sort of "creature" or "monster", he'd lose the strongest personal connection he has. Is it immature? Yes. Though Magician characters are meant to be immature. Naturally, Morgana couldn't have known this at the time. It's a consequence of intertwining his arc with the main story. Morgana cannot fully accept himself until the end of the game. If he does, he'd awaken to his true power too early and just resolve most of the plot right then and there.
      Your REAL grievance is with the story, not Morgana.

    • @KuranKn1xx
      @KuranKn1xx 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ You know what, in all honesty you may be completely right, I never really looked at my issue from a story perspective. I just found it annoying and the constant repetition in these story based events that led to nothing each time that bothered me. As I said 1-2, I get from a story and experience based perspective, I but I just felt like doing it 5 times and each time he kept backtracking was just irritating to play through. But you’re likely right, I just gave the story too much credit and directed my issues on the character and their development😭

    • @nerogoro
      @nerogoro  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yep, the story was definitely dragging his development for way too long which it can get really annoying.

    • @SJrad
      @SJrad 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yeah at the third time he had the dream should have spit it out already.

  • @kaorinsz
    @kaorinsz 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Morgana my beloved

  • @JuniorD99WD
    @JuniorD99WD 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Morgana, the Phantom Thief who steals Hearts and Screentime from others! 😂

    • @CuteRedPanda64
      @CuteRedPanda64 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This pretty much sums him up entirely.

  • @Terumimi
    @Terumimi 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Morgana's one of my favorite characters in the entire persona series, and you've pretty much named all the reasons why i can forgive the issues that the game has occasionally when it comes to his writing (specifically the okumera arc). He's a sweet character, his arc about trying to fit in and become like others before realizing he's one of a kind and thats ok means a lot to me, he's adorable, there's a lot for me to love.
    Also, unrelated, but even though it sucks that haru doesnt get to really have an arc of her own, her arc in strikers is one of my favorites

  • @rodrigo354
    @rodrigo354 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I never played vanilla P5- I only ever played P5R. To my understanding Morgana is way more “strict” with how much he blocks you from being able to do things in vanilla- so he was never as much of a nuisance for me as he was for others.
    ….tbh I was always more on Morgana’s side in the beef between him and Ryuji. Love Ryuji- but outside of his confidant ark he low key comes off like such an insufferable prick….I am fully aware most people don’t feel this way. It is what it is.

    • @lucygirl1111
      @lucygirl1111 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i like both allso its probably cause Ryuji's confidant gets you access to the one of the most broken abiltiies in the game overkill where you can just run over a shadow and it dies and you gain exp and a persona or if you run at it you litterly cleave the shadow into half and get the same benefits if you run them over (its very useful for grinding)

    • @rodrigo354
      @rodrigo354 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ haha yea that ability is broken you’re right! I do love it though, it’s dope!

    • @MixingMagic09
      @MixingMagic09 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I’ve only played vanilla and honestly Morgana’s whole go to sleep thing didn’t bug me that much. I just find it sad that people are willing to give a character so much hate due to a game mechanic. And yeah, I totally took his side during his argument with Ryuji as well

    • @lucygirl1111
      @lucygirl1111 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@rodrigo354 there is another very useful ability well its a bit more situational hifumi's ability to switch up your team members whenever you need very useful during boss fights

  • @Jimmylikehalo
    @Jimmylikehalo 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I used to hate morgana but when i played the spin offs like p5s and p5t, I actually grew to like him a lot more maybe because those games didn't have the okumara arc part or morgana not letting me leave my home lol. Oh also him being mean to ryuji (he's my favorite character)

    • @Jimmylikehalo
      @Jimmylikehalo วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Joker3180Z that's my bad I meant to say p5s as in strikers

  • @jcblue1981
    @jcblue1981 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    How do people hate morgana but love teddie

    • @tanxene
      @tanxene 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@jcblue1981 I like both

    • @Punpun6745
      @Punpun6745 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      I just don't like that he fawns over Ann and gives Ryuji an unnecessary amount of shit

    • @mistiegames4220
      @mistiegames4220 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Punpun6745 Perhaps the way people argue without going to extremes shows that they really have a great relationship.

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Punpun6745 true. I just see him as if he’s a little boy in the body of a cat with the potential to be as strong as a god. Bro is not going to be the most mature if you look at him from that perspective.

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@Punpun6745 The female party members treat Ryuji far worse than Morgana ever did, and no one takes issue with them. And if we're being honest, Ryuji is the type of person who really will die if he's not held back. Ryuji is like Kuwabara from Yu Yu Hakusho. People like him, but much like Hiei, Morgana represents the realistic side of having a dimwit for an ally. Ryuji isn't the dependable friend you readily rely on, he's the pinhead ally you get stuck with, and you'll sorely wish that you aren't the one in the group that must clean up after him. Ryuji is great at hitting things, but outside of that, he's barely functional. Ryuji does have his merits. He's loyal, motivational, and brave where most others would be quite fearful. But as the story points out, his merits are undermined by his stupidity, and even the softer members of the Phantom Thieves lose patience with him.
      As for Morgana's fawning over Ann? Morgana is a Magician character, and all Magicians have the character flaw of immaturity. Morgana's desire to be with Ann is rooted in his desire to be seen as an adult. You don't have to like it, but the important thing in storytelling is rather or not actions make sense within narrative context.

  • @SimoneMarine
    @SimoneMarine 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I dont hate morgana, but i definitely think there was some things that couldve been better. His only viability in p5r is rarely getting technical proc and some good healing. Though i find it hard to use him, i dont hate his character at all.

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Morgana's viability in Royal depends on the use of the jazz club. Morgana's stat spread is malleable enough to where he can pretty much be anything with a few stat boosts. And with Velvet Room, you can give him skill accessories to suit your liking. He can have the strengths of any archetype, while having few to none of their weaknesses.

    • @SimoneMarine
      @SimoneMarine 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@Ninja07Keaton guess I just didn't put quite enough effort into him. But that's a fair point icl

    • @SimoneMarine
      @SimoneMarine 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I will say though, that if you have to really put some effort into him to make him viable, compared to other characters who are much better at other things right off the bat. Such as makoto with healing and almost every character having better crit and technical options. Is he terrible, no. Could he have been much easier to make viable, imo 100%. No hate for him, just prefer others in battle

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SimoneMarine Morgana only suffers from power creep after the 3rd dungeon. Something that Royal thankfully allows players to remedy.

    • @helpihavebats6392
      @helpihavebats6392 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ⁠@@Ninja07Keatoni think stuff like late Evolution and the Healer role not being necessary generally hurt him. I did a no Healing Skill test run of P5R Kamos Palace (Hard) and about half or more of the dungeon you can win immediately by base Guns alone. The Minibosses didn’t really do much as they take one turn doing nothing and then only target one character so the extremely cheap healing items from stores were more than enough.

  • @Hasty332
    @Hasty332 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The restriction of not going out at night after palace/Mementos makes the choice a trade off. It also makes confidants like Kawakami more useful

  • @romahnii
    @romahnii 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    literally just max kawakamis social link if you care about going out that bad😭

  • @Fehorder
    @Fehorder 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You are right, Morgana doesn't deserve all that hate... he deserves more!

  • @Rex_Revolt
    @Rex_Revolt 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Honestly, contrary to most people I actually took Morgana's side rather than Ryuji's in the discussion because I couldn't stand him getting infatuated with the Phantom Thieves popularity at the moment.

  • @DragonsGuy
    @DragonsGuy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Just like Yukari and Junpei."
    Yeah, that sucks to sit through every time too.

  • @thetruekingofwaffles
    @thetruekingofwaffles วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:47 whats the clip thoooooo

  • @prosandconsguy7454
    @prosandconsguy7454 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I actually hated Ryuji not the cat through the story I insulted him every time the story gave me the chance

    • @lassesj200
      @lassesj200 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@prosandconsguy7454 I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD WITH THIS HOT TAKE!?!? BASED!!!

  • @MBYui
    @MBYui วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We love him and I'm not talking Nintendo or the royal meaning

  • @nyrdganggaming3296
    @nyrdganggaming3296 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Morgana can be annoying at times,but oddly enough, hes ALWAYS in my party no matter what ( excluding leaving during Okumura's palace at first ). I think it's because lucky punch and every other variation came in clutch at times. More reliable than not most of the time

  • @minortatu3311
    @minortatu3311 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Even in a video about how Morgana is just game design, you still run into a wall and miss why as aspect of the game was implemented in regards to game design
    4:50 You wonder why is it that we get locked out of night time activities unlike in P4, and I don't get how people don't see that it was so obviously designed that way in order to give Kawakami and her Special Massage confidant ability some validity. The whole point is that it acts as a roadblock that you're supposed to overcome by unlocking confidant abilities, like many other aspects in the game

  • @lePirateMan
    @lePirateMan วันที่ผ่านมา

    If it was said by jokers internal monologue I wouldnt mind. I just hate that morgana talks for joker

  • @autumnruby8424
    @autumnruby8424 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I never really found Morgana to be annoying. He was fun to use in battle, I thought his Metaverse and real world designs were both cute, and I found the way the game uses him as the way to let the player know they’ve used up their free time as endearing rather than obtrusive.
    I also think his story of feeling obsolete in the Phantom Theives to be really compelling since it mirrors how I felt towars him at that point in the game.
    Joker has started to come into his own as leader, Makoto is a better healer, Futaba is a better navigator, and it just makes Morgana feel like a useless party member. So to have that reflected in the story, made me re-evalute his role in the Phantom Thieves, and gain a deeper appreciation for him.
    And I know some people had a problem with his crush on Ann, but I always saw it as a little kid having a crush on someone way older than him. It was a little annoying to me, but that's about it.
    Morgana just always felt like a little sibling that wants to be appreciated, and as the youngest sister in my family I could empathize.

  • @tanxene
    @tanxene 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    i love him and teddie

    • @nerogoro
      @nerogoro  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I love Teddie but his JP voice can pierce my eardrums a lot of the times 😭

    • @lanalewis6982
      @lanalewis6982 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Based.

    • @CuteRedPanda64
      @CuteRedPanda64 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@nerogoro then why don't you play the English version.

  • @takehirolol5962
    @takehirolol5962 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I mean, I have played so many JRPGs in the last 25 years that I have seen almost all archetypes...

  • @PhantomOfTheNight
    @PhantomOfTheNight วันที่ผ่านมา

    BRO I’VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR HIM SINCE DAY ONE LIKE HOP OFF MY BOY HE DIDN’T DO NOTHING

  • @bakacdaz
    @bakacdaz วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Western fans just has some kind of Mascot-Phobia (or whatever it’s called).
    It’s the thing I never understand since Teddy situation.

  • @kingofthe_humanz8285
    @kingofthe_humanz8285 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    the literal only problems i have with him are
    1) the constant insulting and berating of ryuji, ryuji is a really loveable character and an easy way to make me not like someone is to make them hate a character i love. 90%of the time its undeserved and half the time ryuji just ignores/doesnt fight back. atkeast in p3 when yukari is mean to junpei he usually deserves it, theres even a few moments where the story shows she is wrong to do that and those two actually bond alot so you get the idea that they're just friends who poke fun alot. morgana hates ryuji for no real reason, and i dont like that
    2) the constant simping over Ann, i get it pretty girl character is in fact a pretty girl. everyone else in the story brings up how pretty she is constantly and morgana adding to that is just unnecessary his constant attempts at romance go completely ignored which result in him just coming off as pathetic and annoying.
    3) the whole human thing. i get him seriously being attached to the idea of being a human like everyone else but the constant denial of being a cat is so obnoxious. you literally meow and purr bruh. you could literally say "oh im a cat now but ill be a human soon" problem solved
    i actually didnt find teddie annoying for the most part because he literally JUST started being a human like halfway through the game. hes pretty much a baby or like a little kid in the human world. he doesnt understand boundaries or stuff like that because hes still learning whats normal. his shenanigans with yosuke are funny and his little crush on yukiko isnt thrown in your face constantly. (she even uses it to motivate him to fight a few times in the anime IIRC) he also has his wholesome bond with nanako and has motivation to protect her so they can hang out and play together again, despite him having pervy moments here and there teddie is mostly played as the innocent kid of the group. teddie is only knowledgeable about the tv world meanwhile morgana is talking about being a gentleman and talking about how to treat a lady like hes some casanova meanwhile his crush wont even pay attention to him for 2 seconds.
    teddie is literally the rizzly bear, human teddie pulling girls left and right all while being a dumbass.

  • @cullenlatham2366
    @cullenlatham2366 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    So, the 3 main points (yes, i have one that was unaddressed)... lets take them one at a time.
    Bedtime police? He is just the face for the issue, but it isnt the character's fault. Meanwhile, the issue was greatly reduced in royal, and temperance is there to make it a non-issue outside of those rare story moments. People who hate morgana for it are not actually hating morgana the character, but morgana the mechanic.
    Okumura Arc? Now, THAT is the most valid complaint of the bunch for morgana the character. The third act breakup trope is overdone, and often rubs people the wrong way even when it is done well. P5 isnt the worst example of the trope, but it doesnt do anything to stand out or justify the need for the trope. Then we break down the actions. I am part of the camp that entirely blames ryuji, but that does not mean morgana is faultless. MAYBE i can accept him running off in frustration as his insecurities get the better of him, but NOT going off on his own. He did not listen to the crew, and that is the problem. Debating the target in the first place? Ryuji only wanted to do it for fame, the rest were questioning if they had enough evidence to act on, and morgana calls ryuji out for his fame hunt... just to run straight into the palace himself without proof. It was one of the first, if not the only rule the thieves operated under: "only if everyone agrees", and yet it is the OG morgana to rush headfirst into things without working with the group? Next, we get morgana's "i wont associate with you" game, again ignoring any attemptsto reason with him, and to a lesser extent, haru being dragged along his whims instead of acting as the mediator between them. And it is only now the ryuji steps completely into the "villain" role for the conflict. The group stakes out memntos for the sole reason of apologizing, but ryuji cant bite his toung and drives morgana away AGAIN because he cant let the apology stand as the genuine gesture they originalyl intended it to be. Morgana was willing to listen to reason and then ryuji opened his big mouth. Maybe the first time, he was biting back in genuine light-hearted "sibling" bickering, but at mementos, the taunt becomes a malicious insult. Even ignoring how the drama sidelines haru in "her own arc", it was written so badly that it assassinated both ryuji's and morgana's characters.
    Finally, the unaddressed point: he mechanically sucks as a party member. His primary focus is healing, which doesnt really mesh with a game where the best healing options are toolbox inclusions on characters who can do so much more offensively. His wind skills? Underwhelming and easily replaced by joker's wildcard (heck, there isnt even a chance for status!). His physical skills? laughable damage with an increased crit rate not being increased ENOUGH to even consider them a viable option. Buffs/debuffs? you better be playing royal and REALLY love morgana, because the only ones worth keeping around dont come from his natural learn set (yes, including evo skills), and are equally as effective on any other character as long as their GOOD learn sets still have an open space for them. And all of this is JUST move sets. He is also frail, often going down in only a hit or 2, meaning his health is never sitting in the effective healing range for him to benefit from his own learn set, and his dodge chance is not consistent enough to make dodge tanking a viable option. (no, if his goal is healing, he needs to actually stick around on the field to heal. By that logic, he should be built as a meat tank [high hp over other defensive options], not a dodge tank who is going to go down the moment he fails a dodge, ESPECIALLY if his only specialty is healing, not damage). And to put the final nail in his coffin? auto rank up. That doesnt sound like much, but it is a really big deal for veteran players. Instead of having the option to make morgana more powerful by spending time with him, his confidant perks, including the shared in battle buffs (endure, protect, recovery, etc.) come with STORY PROGRESS. Why is that so bad? i really shouldnt have to explain it. if a party member becomes one of your mainline fighters, you can and often should try to get them to rank 10 ASAP, which can often be done well within the constraints of a single month (until talking about social stat requirements which are effectively eliminated in ng+). Morgana? nope. he doesnt get protect until you are already in the endgame, if not the final 3 dungeons of base game (which you already know doesnt last as long as you'd think if you have already played the game).

  • @HunterStiles651
    @HunterStiles651 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Anyone who says their least favorite Neo-Persona character isn't Nozomi from Persona 3 is arguing in bad faith imo. Unlike Morgana, Teddie, Ohya, Mishima, or any of the other potential candidates for "most hated Persona character," Nozomi has zero redeeming qualities, no scenes where you feel anything but contempt for him, except probably resentment because the only reason you'd max out his social link is because you're aiming for 100% social link completion. He's just a thoroughly unpleasant person from beginning to end.

  • @Cloud-dt6xb
    @Cloud-dt6xb วันที่ผ่านมา

    I get annoyed when people dismiss Morgana’s arc as just a childish tantrum. Because by the time the Okumra arc happens he’s very clearly going through depression or pretty close to it. His arc is about learning to not hold stuff in and that it’s ok to express your feelings when you need to.
    Also Ryuji is not blameless in how that blow up happens. The thing is he constantly pushes one of Morgana’s boundaries with his insults a lot throughout the game. Morgana NEVER hits a sore spot of Ryuji’s and there’s even times where he has perfect ammo to use on Ryuji but doesn’t like when Makoto busts them. To wrap it up there’s a lot of factors to what happens in the Okumura arc but Ryuji definitely contributes to it.

  • @Sverigeutureueuutursverige
    @Sverigeutureueuutursverige 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The limitations are what makes persona great, you need to plan things out with how you spend your time and can't just spend infinite time grinding or doing whatever like in most RPG's

  • @Eternalwarpuppy
    @Eternalwarpuppy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My dislike for Morgana didn't really have anything to do with the story. Having way lower HP than everyone else causes him to say his signature line "I got too reckless, I'll back out and focus on support" way too often. It always made me feel like he was retreating due to a minor injury while the rest of my party would fight to the bitter end.

  • @tda8184
    @tda8184 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i personally dont find that Morgana doesnt let you go out after certain activities annoying. its the same thing that i experienced in Persona 4, which is that the player character doesnt want to go outside because he is tired. and sometimes Dojima is in the house so no going out

  • @AdamTheGameBoy
    @AdamTheGameBoy วันที่ผ่านมา

    The series has a huge problem with eating days for no reason with no warning. Tying this explicitly to the character is a mistake. They really need to work on coming up with believable reasons whenever they take away your time that don't randomly take away agency from your blank slate.
    Oh, you had a 2 minute conversation after class, you can't do anything the rest of the afternoon.
    You took a test today, you can't do anything else the rest of the day. That's the exact opposite of reality. Those are always the most packed afternoons and evenings IRL. Learning takes significantly more mental energy than recalling.

  • @milesstorzillo7650
    @milesstorzillo7650 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Too bad this makes Morgana come off as completely hypocritical. You know what they say, "Don't dish out what you can't take".

  • @thatguy3331
    @thatguy3331 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the story does make some fumbles in it's arrangement and presentation of certain things with Morgana but I never remotely got nor related to the *intense* hatred he received especially since I like his general baseline personality. I grow to appreciate his arc more and more over time but I do think it can be fine tuned for bit which is something I can say about various aspects of P5 in general (and hell even P3 and P4)

  • @AT7outof10
    @AT7outof10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like Morgana, and only find his 'Lady Ann' antics tiresome, ESPECIALLY in the spinoffs were that part of him is flanderized.

  • @skylarsolar893
    @skylarsolar893 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don’t really hate him, he’s honestly a fav of mine so far in Royal so I’m always surprised that he’s disliked.

  • @MegaManDBZX
    @MegaManDBZX วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don’t hate Morgana because I understand he’s just an emotional child in a messed up situation like the rest of the Phantoms. I do however agree his butting heads with and scapegoating Ryuji can get annoying. There really did need to be just one scene of the two of them just talking things out and I think a lot of people would have thought a lot better of him.

  • @You-Tube-n5k
    @You-Tube-n5k วันที่ผ่านมา

    I honestly love Morgana lol. Like, I get that he's kind of annoying, but I've always gotten "little brother" energy from him in the best way possible because of that.

  • @St4rTr3v1Ut10n
    @St4rTr3v1Ut10n วันที่ผ่านมา

    Haru was way more annoying, like it was a "miscasting" or something. I don't know why people hate Morgana for telling you to go to sleep. That's the fault of the designers, they opted for less of an internal monologue, or some disembodied narrator telling you what to do all the time.
    The Ann simping is creepy in a way that Teddie's general pervyness isn't, despite that Teddie could maybe hurt someone because he has a human form

  • @Hasty332
    @Hasty332 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:53 Bro what 💀😭

  • @onzasyne
    @onzasyne 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love that I have media literacy skills that some of the SMT community don't

  • @squawk-box
    @squawk-box วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly, I thought I'd hate Morgana before I watched a playthru of P5R (BigKlingy's, specifically). I'd only really heard that he was gross about women, similar to Teddie. But he actually grew on me a LOT over the course of the game, and honestly, in retrospect I think the difference between Morgana's crush on Ann and Teddie's... harassment of every girl in the investigation team is like night and day. Like, Morgana's crush on Ann is, at worst, a little bit cringe; but it's the harmless kind of cringe, imo. Teddie, meanwhile, is borderline sexually harassing the Investigation Team girls near constantly.

  • @hmmmmname
    @hmmmmname 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I think this is very much a western playerbase problem, same as the whole taking Ryuji getting beaten up after the Palace thing seriously.
    When I went through it I never saw them beating up Ryuji as anything more than slapstick humor, had a chuckle and never even thought about it again until I see people in the west calling it "the worst thing ever" and being extremely confused as to why.

  • @TheGB1
    @TheGB1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I love mona

  • @gnub3360
    @gnub3360 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I heard people were hating on Morgana over here so I pulled up

  • @mweeee
    @mweeee วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always felt bad for Morgana, he is a cat with the mind of a human and can only be understood by a handful of people. That must be really lonely. No wonder why he wants to be a human so badly.

  • @Clayinator
    @Clayinator 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This was my major complaint about Persona 5. I love Persona 5 and it’s easily one of my favorite games. But I feel like it had too much content in the game for how little you actually can do. You need multiple playthroughs to just do certain confidants as you can’t do everything in one. I hated how the game limited you on when you could do certain events and when you can’t. Especially when the game just locks you out of anything during a deadline. But other than that. I feel like Persona 5 is a great game but that definitely holds it back than being better than the other games where you can do way more things and confidants in the same amount of time. I am talking about the original game not Royal it fixed every major complaint I had with it just a FYI.

    • @penguinpulverizers5985
      @penguinpulverizers5985 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      P5r is literally the easiest game to get everything done and gives you more than enough time to do so 🥲

    • @ShadowOfMassDestruction
      @ShadowOfMassDestruction วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Clayinator I don't see that as a flaw at all. That gives it more replayability.

    • @Clayinator
      @Clayinator 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@penguinpulverizers5985 I meant the vanilla game. The original. I don’t really count Royal as Persona 5 as they did their own things to make it a remake.

    • @Clayinator
      @Clayinator 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ShadowOfMassDestruction That’s true. But the original game was still great and Royal made it even better than it ever was.

  • @heroicallyheroic
    @heroicallyheroic 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    HES JUST A SILLY LITTLE GUY!!!

  • @ashmintyrina
    @ashmintyrina วันที่ผ่านมา

    i've loved morgana from the start. but the way he keeps simping for ann is SO GODDAMN ANNOYING

  • @bukywashere
    @bukywashere 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I actually like Morgana tbh, the only thing I don’t like about him is how much of a simp he is. It makes me want to romance Ann (in front of Morgana) on purpose.

  • @zombinlg
    @zombinlg 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nothing can ever make me hate you Morgana 🥹 (I say wearing my Morgana persona 5 t shirt)

  • @kfk4441
    @kfk4441 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just thought he was totally useless, specially as a party member...And as a healer, it's so easy to outheal him

  • @Mobius_Tale
    @Mobius_Tale 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    people will hate on morgana but love yukari, the intelligence of persona fans

    • @hasanmuttaqin464
      @hasanmuttaqin464 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      what yukari even done?

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      @@hasanmuttaqin464 Besides save the P3 protagonist once they unlocked their theurgy? You tell me. Frankly both of these characters get much more hate than they deserve. At least in the west anyway.

    • @mistiegames4220
      @mistiegames4220 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      @@hasanmuttaqin464 she act kinda weird, no she is a real weirdo. In a serious situation, when even Junpei is not fooling around, she is in a tense situation when everyone is nervous, trying to joke around by making herself look like a complete idiot. Who does not read the situation and does not understand the seriousness of what is happening. If people are on edge, the best thing you can do is just shut your mouth if you can't say anything useful.
      She is rude to Ryoji for no reason, the first time he politely invites her, she just turns away without saying a word and leaves. And the second time she punched him for inviting her again. Dude, you can just say "Ryoji, stop it, I'm not interested in you." Why do you have to beat up those who are polite to you? I don't really understand who even love her, and why she can be a normal character? She's the worst. And neither Morgana and Teddie didn't deserve hate.

    • @sperryyoungerjr.3985
      @sperryyoungerjr.3985 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I dislike Morgana and Yukari's original P3 counterpart. Yukari is way better in reload in my opinion.

    • @Mobius_Tale
      @Mobius_Tale 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sperryyoungerjr.3985 this what im saying FES Yukari was on that timing

  • @SJrad
    @SJrad 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    on the topic of not being allowed to do things in the evening when you really should be, metaphor refantazio does the same thing and i still hate it.

    • @mweeee
      @mweeee วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But in Metaphor it's way easier to rank up your bonds. I managed to do everything in the game and still have some leftover days at the end. What's the point of giving you more time at this point?

  • @edgystoner6936
    @edgystoner6936 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think I’m the only one who likes Morganna because I had a cat that looked like him and I always gave him the nickname Morganna

  • @raidramon0
    @raidramon0 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What I find annoying about Morgana is that he has this mad crush on Ann Takamaki and lives this pipe dream of having a relationship with her.

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Morgana is the embodiment of humanity's hope. That "pipe dream" represents the hopes that can never be.

  • @snowdude8583
    @snowdude8583 วันที่ผ่านมา

    persona has probably the best way to write mascots, even teddie and morgana are more written than some of anime mascots,

  • @KamenKami
    @KamenKami วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hate(I don't really hate them) Morgana and Teddie for one reason, and one reason only. They will never top my boy Jack Frost.

  • @Captain_M27
    @Captain_M27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He still doesn't interests me but idk why the hate on a fictional character that much
    The okumura arc did his character writing dirty that's true but he has his moments like the scene when his metaverse form disappears with the metaverse and seeing his wish of human Morgana come true
    And Mona ordering you to go to sleep isn't new the difference in the previous entries that the mc tells he's tired let's go to sleep

  • @that_dude_over_there
    @that_dude_over_there วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only time I really hated Morgana was during the Haru section of the game. I was lucky enough to play Royal and not vanilla p5. But that doesn’t mean I hate Morgana the most. No I hate Teddie more.

  • @viruschris3160
    @viruschris3160 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't hate Morgana, I really like him. I do understand some grievances of him, but I guess it's more or less the structure of the story. Though I will say Ryuji does get on my nerves a bit with some problems the Phantom Thieves go through because he can't keep his mouth shut, but he's a hot-blooded teen so I can't fully fault him.

  • @paintedpig3021
    @paintedpig3021 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I personally love Morgana and I feel he's got the Navi treatment really bad, He's supposed to explain game mechanics but it comes off as annoying.

  • @JadenOmega
    @JadenOmega วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hot take incoming. I actually don't mind Morgana. I actually like Morgana as a character, I don't *LOVE* him, but I don't absolutely hate him either. Cuz I know he's intentions come from a good place. He has annoying parts but he's not insufferable (at least to me anyway.) There are characters who are much worse than he is in my opinion. Honestly, I'd gladly take Morgana simping over Ann then Teddie simping over.......EVERYBODY!!!

  • @yukino017hananana2
    @yukino017hananana2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't hate morgana.... but i hate how he's written
    Incoming Essay Below :
    I think morgana's insecurities would've been perfect to explore in ANY OTHER PLACE EXCEPT THE OKUMURA ARC, DURING THE INTRODUCTION OF ANOTHER CHARACTER
    i think he has potential, but by GOD the game do not make it easy on me to like him. I don't even mind his entire "Go Sleep" thing because yes, it's annoying, but it's a game mechanic. It's not really Morgana's fault on that part, only the developers accidentally fucking up with how to represent the mechanic. His simping isnt even a big problem for me (there's worse simps out there [read Teddie and i dont hate him that much either] and he's basically just admiring Ann, which is half of the fandom anyways) but it is repetitive, wish there's more content of him talking with the other members, growing past his initial attraction to Ann.
    His fight with Ryuji should've hit him with his hypocrisy back to his face!!!! It would've been perfect character development in his maturity!!!! Growing past his insecurities to finally be a better teammate now that his original and perceieved "use" is no longer the only thing connecting him to the team. Reconnecting with Ryuji (along with the team) and apologizing for his actions, and finally maturing into his Final Persona, if you will. AND IN ANY OTHER ARC THAT ISN'T THE FIRST FUCKING INTRODUCTION OF THE OKUMURA ARC!!! (I have problems with Okumura arc too but that's another story) but unfortunately, his arc is written really badly imo, because not only he took away the spotlight from what should've been the main character of that arc, he himself didn't really change that much!!
    Again, I don't hate him, I hate how he is written. I personally think he's a cool character and had so much potential to explore the insecurities of being alone, of not having anyone by his side because he's an amnesiac cat who can only talk to people who's been in the Metaverse. His lashing out with Ryuji as a type of jealousy, but his jealousy is born from very shallow understanding of humanity due to his immaturity. There could've been an exploration where Morgana explains that Ryuji was the closest to being the free, rebellious punk kid in his eyes. Cheerful, useful, a bright boy that shines like the sun, which makes him so jealous, and not understanding his emotions due to his lack of comparison. It would've been a perfect exploration! It ties to his insecurities of lack of memories + his immaturity and hypocrisy! The MC is different in his eyes, because Morgana saw how MC grew, how he struggled inside and became the Leader because he's always been with MC, and MC's own potential sets him apart.
    And honestly, this would've been a great Confidant Link. Yes. CONFIDANT. This should've been fucking explored outside of the OKUMURA ARC SO THEY CAN PROPERLY INTRODUCE HARU. Give her time to shine!!! Let her explore her own rebellion, show her own problems of being under her father's grasp! But that's another topic already and this essay is long enough lol
    anyways rant over
    TLDR imo he's not a bad character, he's just badly written

  • @chillswany
    @chillswany วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you have played all persona game and Morgana is your most hated character you played them wrong, replay them, no there is no subjective opinion, I'm saying that factually people who hate Morgana are wrong, my opinion is scientifically CORRECT.

  • @ericgropuis
    @ericgropuis วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like Morgana I think his story is a good story to tell but they writers just didn’t execute well. I think most of the hate he gets is unjustified
    His telling you to go to sleep is just apart of the game. In pervious games the game would make you not do anything during the night or the entire day in order to do story or point out the fact that the other world is taxing and makes you tired. I never found it annoying plus you can tell when what you are able to do just by his stance. On all 4s you can do whatever, him sitting you can do limited things in Leblac and him curled up go to bed.
    His hate to Ryuji is ok. Sure it’s annoying but everyone shits on Ryuji because he is pretty dumb and got them caught by Makoto and by so many others if they were just paying attention. His whole fight with Ryuji is fine just done at a weird time and in turn takes away from Haru. Him being angry there is justified because a lot of his roles in the group are being taken away so he’s nothing special. He was the one teaching us, our navigator and planner but then as more come in Makoto takes over plans, Futaba is a better navigator, everyone else can also join in on the fight and are better fighters. His main role then is just being a the car at that point.
    He’s much better than Teddie, Teddie is so annoying in every aspect only thing he makes up for it is that he’s a good party member gameplay wise. Morgana actually has some charm to him and has a solid arc in the game just needed to be done better while not taking away from Haru but then again the writers screw Haru over just with her screen time

  • @maestrosyrex
    @maestrosyrex วันที่ผ่านมา

    it's true, i really hate teddy, i can't believe that they gave us such a bad character and such an annoying side kick. it's bad enough bro was a walking telecom mascot but it got worse when bro turned into a twink... So yes, i also hate ted-
    *Checks title*
    Ok, Nero hasn't played persona 4, nevermind.

  • @hitothelivingdrawing1035
    @hitothelivingdrawing1035 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don’t think Morganna is a bad character. I just think the poor writing compared to persona 3 and 4, and the role as time manager holds him back. A lot of the writing in p5 has this shonen-like over explaining tone that the old games never did. If you want proof just look at how many times the game tells you the palaces and mementos are all in the mind. Saying “cognition” over and over again. P3 and 4 never directly tell you why shadows exist. Sure you know Tartarus was man made in p3, but the game only tells you where the shadows came from in some of the last Old documents that most people probably didn’t even read

  • @Kingcrimson58199
    @Kingcrimson58199 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Margana is just a poor character I felt like his spot in the game could have been just taken out of the game completely. I just don't understand why the main character thinks to himself for if he is feeling "tired". Even after all the justification of Morganas character is unimportant

  • @NomadMonkey396
    @NomadMonkey396 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Morgana the blimp head. No wonder his egos so big.

  • @therealeikichionizuka
    @therealeikichionizuka 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    people hate morgana but love teddie. people hate marie but love kasumi. interesting.

  • @2Tune2
    @2Tune2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I never really disliked him he was a pretty cool character

  • @CrunchMunchzx
    @CrunchMunchzx 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He’s the same as Yukari to me
    I don’t actually hate him but I do it cause it’s kinda funny

  • @shikiyama
    @shikiyama 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    yes he does little bro

  • @Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective
    @Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    See, the problem with a video like this is it fails to acknowledge the Japanese audience which hosts damn near the exact opposite perspective not to say it holds true overseas either as Teddie tends to be the most hated due to being a rampant womaniser something even Persons 4 and it's own spin-off's acknowledge. In Morgana's case the disdain you're referring comes from P5R/P5 but doesn't really hold up in regards to P5's many spin-off's or it's sequels as Morgana is typically regarded as very helpful not only to his team but almost every new member introduced over the course of those games. In Japan though Morgana's main sell is very simple, he's voiced by Ikue Otani one of the most iconic VO's in the world (Voice Actor for Pikachu) and that alone tied to a good design is why they typically hold him in much higher regard.

  • @radicalcentrist4990
    @radicalcentrist4990 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't hate Morgana, there aren't any party members that I actually hate. But he's still one of my least favorites, I think I only dislike Teddie from P4 a bit more.