My theory is trains are usually on time until they reach anywhere close to Frankfurt (Mannheim, Munich and Stuttgart also) but the bottleneck is so much that the entire line is disrupted and trains have wait for platforms to clear up as previous trains have to halt, reverse and then clear out (Not the case in Mannheim, this station and its signal switching issues are legendary and just cursed) The Project to allow trains to pass through will definitely help massively in all of these stations.
@@bahnspotterEU not much potential to expand there with the dom and rhine one both sides of the hbf... messe deutz does help the situation in that sense
@srikanthshastry4546 The worst thing in this area is the non-existent high-speed corridor between Frankfurt Hbf/Airport and Mannheim. That would relief the overcrowded main lines so much. There are three main lines between the two cities and all of them are always overcrowded. Also the corridor between Frankfurt and Mannheim is one of the most used by ICE trains, so it is pretty idiotic to not run them on seperate tracks there.
There are no mobile signal repeaters onboard these trains. Those were used in the past, but not anymore. There is a new technology implemented by DB to laser etch the windows in order to allow the mobile signal to pass through, eliminating the need for repeaters. You can in fact see this etched surface when you look through the window
The ICE 4 program is finished: there will be no successor to the ICE4 neither in its current configuration in the XXXL version of 14 cars nor internationally to replace the ICE-3M or Velaro D bound for Paris. For comparison, the Siemens PowerTrain system, assembled like a construction set, which characterizes the ICE 4 reaches its limits in its different configurations L (composed of 7 cars), XL (composed of 12 cars), XXL (composed of 13 cars). The ICE 4 XL from the 2009 ICx project arrived in 2017, reached a top speed of 250 km/h and the commercial speed of the ICE4 XXL arrived in 2021 at the same time as the 30th anniversary celebrations of the first commercial service, on June 3, 1991, is increased to 265 km/h while the most recent ICE 4 L arriving simply in 2022 has a speed identical to the Talgo ICE L whose first commercial service to Amsterdam is postponed to the second quarter of 2025. Deutsche Bahn, which suffers from chronic delays in its schedules, therefore has no interest in continuing the long and tedious development like ICE4 with an ICE 5 of the same configuration. For this reason, the choice falls on the ICE3 velaro neo. The ICE 3 neo (408 series) is not new, but an improved multi-system version of the ICE 3 Velaro D (407 series) based on the same platform as an ICE-3M (406 series). The trains were assigned to the ICE 3 fleet of the 300 km/hour Fleet of DB Fernverkehr. and called ICE 3 neo. The manufacturer of these ICE 3s, Siemens Mobility, calls them Velaro MS (MS for MultiSystem) they are equipped with the European train control system Siemens TrainGuard (abbreviated ETCS, acronym for European Train Control System) is an innovative railway signaling system associated with speed control. The Siemens TrainGuard 200 system, in place of Ansaldo STS. It is a component of the European rail traffic management system (abbreviated ERTMS, acronym for European Rail Traffic Management System) which is intended to eventually replace the large number of trackside signals, signal repetition systems and signaling systems. in the cabin currently used on the various European railway networks. in clear ERTMS provides on-board automatic train control functions and radio communication between trains and the command post or Centralized Traffic Control (CTC), which makes it possible to position more trains over the same distance while reducing delays by completely safe. In 2019, to modernize its 300 km/h long-distance fleet, Deutsche Bahn ordered 90 ICE 3 neo from railway manufacturer Siemens for a value of 3 billion euros, the last of which are expected to be delivered by August 2028. Until 'now it had always indicated that the express trains should be delivered by 2029. The Munich manufacturer managed to develop these trains in a record time of two years, which is short for an intercity train traveling at 320 km/h at commercial speed. The ICE 3 Neo has been used in Germany since 2022 and on international routes such as Belgium since 2023. A partnership with NS Internationales has also been in place since June 2024 and makes it possible to replace the ICE 3-M with these new purchases. Thank you very much for this very informative trip, greetings from Lorient, Frédérique.
awesome the DB has finally took the right decision to remove their outdated version who caused a lot technical issues during it's commercial service to holland and Belgium
i like your vlog. You should try riding Whoosh in indonesia, the first high speed train in southeast asia with a speed of 350/KMH. There are still many more trains in indonesia that you can make your youtube video. greetings from indonesia, Keep spirit and keep healty😊
To correct a tiny bit: The ICE 3Ms were all DE/NL/BE enabled, but as you rightly pointed out, few of them were delivered and they suffered pretty terrible reliability issues, you could apply the same logic of taking another one of these to go between the three countries but that was relatively difficult. The ICE 3 Neo is supposedly more polished an reliable, closer to the Velaro D used for France services, itself replacing equally unreliable ICE 3 MFs. So just to say it's not that the ICE 3 Neos are more flexible than their older counterparts since they also were, but reliability and numbers are what Siemens and DB are promising more here than the previous ICE 3 Ms.
Lounge Access you get with status- silver, gold, Platin and any valid Long distance ticket (any saver , but Never Deutschland Ticket). Or a flex price ticket in 1st Class. Where a Premium Lounge is, besides an ordinary lounge, Like in Frankfurt, Platin status or first Class flex price gives you access to the premium area. A light meal and Even beer and wine are included there. Seating is better there, too.
You've mentioned you're tall so you should be able to anwer a question I had and as a short guy never thought of it untill I started to see a few Americans complain on the new Venturecars in the Midwest. They said that the head wings made the seat very uncomfertable as their sholders hit it. i've never heard such complaint before on trains in other places so I was wondering if it's a design thing in tthe US or just someing no one mentioned before, which I assume will be very annoying and uncomfortable.
I found Frankfurt station very dirty. I've been there many times. So far, I really like Hannover and Leipzig stations. I have to use that station when arriving to Germany, then DB to final destination .
You fail to mention who built this thing. You should do that on every postings because the history of all these things is intertwined with the history of manufacturers.
I mention shortly the builder around 08:20. However this video is about what you can expect as a passenger to travel with these trains, of course some history but that's not the aim for this channel.
I wonder when 1st class will be banned, or at least using more space than 2nd class? I believe Norway has no 1st class. Why shall people, with more money, be allowed to pollute with more CO2?
The "normal" lounge is for all Status Customers of DB, however the Premium is reserved for Platin customers OR 1st Class Tickets that are not a "Sparpreis". The difference is that in Platinum Lounge you get also alcoholic beverages and meals (The normal lounge is just equipped with free softdrink and coffee machines).
11:56 perhaps there would be less congestion, if people payed attention to this detail. Most don't however. Generally for trains that are nearly booked out, boarding can be really a mess, often holding up trains causing delays. This seems particularily bad in stations with high traffic but comparatively low number of tracks, like Hamburg and Cologne.
So having watched the video now, here my critique: Comparing with other train review youtubers, this is way, way more detailed about the train itself and the station you departed from, and a lot less about the route you're traveling on. And I personally prefer these videos showing more about the route and the sights out of the window, the overall travel experience of the trip, and it was a bit too much about the interior for me. Regardless I did enjoy the extended section about the station though.
@@aselwyn1 The only differences between the "old" and the "new" interior design are, in addition to the seats already mentioned, with a different type of upholstery (fabric with 85% wool; gray in 1st class and with blue accents in 2nd class), a different carpet color (solid instead of striped) and flushing the toilet via a sensor next to a button. The silver letters indicating the restaurant and 1st class (in the latter accompanied by a DB logo) that were first used in the trains with the "new" interior design are retrofitted in the trains with the "old" interior.
Vorig jaar een aantal keren in Duitsland en met name met de ICE gereisd en inderdaad letterlijk niets reed op tijd. Als je geluk hebt heeft alles ongeveer dezelfde vertraging en is overstappen dan alsnog geen probleem.
Great that there is pace for bikes👍
My theory is trains are usually on time until they reach anywhere close to Frankfurt (Mannheim, Munich and Stuttgart also) but the bottleneck is so much that the entire line is disrupted and trains have wait for platforms to clear up as previous trains have to halt, reverse and then clear out (Not the case in Mannheim, this station and its signal switching issues are legendary and just cursed)
The Project to allow trains to pass through will definitely help massively in all of these stations.
Yes that's really the problem with terminal stations. It's great to see some improvements in Germany on this.
Cologne is also such a major bottleneck. Far too small and not enough throughput capacity.
@@bahnspotterEU not much potential to expand there with the dom and rhine one both sides of the hbf... messe deutz does help the situation in that sense
@srikanthshastry4546 The worst thing in this area is the non-existent high-speed corridor between Frankfurt Hbf/Airport and Mannheim. That would relief the overcrowded main lines so much. There are three main lines between the two cities and all of them are always overcrowded. Also the corridor between Frankfurt and Mannheim is one of the most used by ICE trains, so it is pretty idiotic to not run them on seperate tracks there.
Its true, all my worst DB experiences happened in frankfurt (ironically a lot of them with the S-Bahn and RBs)
Thanks for another great trip report! 👌
There are no mobile signal repeaters onboard these trains. Those were used in the past, but not anymore. There is a new technology implemented by DB to laser etch the windows in order to allow the mobile signal to pass through, eliminating the need for repeaters. You can in fact see this etched surface when you look through the window
Aaahh ok, a bit different.
Great video as always....I'm in Germany now traveling on a Eurail pass
Thanks for the info in your video. I’m hoping to visit Germany in September 2025.
It is not a BR406, it is a BR408
Ben ook heel erg benieuwd naar deze trein.
The ICE 4 program is finished: there will be no successor to the ICE4 neither in its current configuration in the XXXL version of 14 cars nor internationally to replace the ICE-3M or Velaro D bound for Paris. For comparison, the Siemens PowerTrain system, assembled like a construction set, which characterizes the ICE 4 reaches its limits in its different configurations L (composed of 7 cars), XL (composed of 12 cars), XXL (composed of 13 cars). The ICE 4 XL from the 2009 ICx project arrived in 2017, reached a top speed of 250 km/h and the commercial speed of the ICE4 XXL arrived in 2021 at the same time as the 30th anniversary celebrations of the first commercial service, on June 3, 1991, is increased to 265 km/h while the most recent ICE 4 L arriving simply in 2022 has a speed identical to the Talgo ICE L whose first commercial service to Amsterdam is postponed to the second quarter of 2025. Deutsche Bahn, which suffers from chronic delays in its schedules, therefore has no interest in continuing the long and tedious development like ICE4 with an ICE 5 of the same configuration. For this reason, the choice falls on the ICE3 velaro neo.
The ICE 3 neo (408 series) is not new, but an improved multi-system version of the ICE 3 Velaro D (407 series) based on the same platform as an ICE-3M (406 series). The trains were assigned to the ICE 3 fleet of the 300 km/hour Fleet of DB Fernverkehr. and called ICE 3 neo.
The manufacturer of these ICE 3s, Siemens Mobility, calls them Velaro MS (MS for MultiSystem) they are equipped with the European train control system Siemens TrainGuard (abbreviated ETCS, acronym for European Train Control System) is an innovative railway signaling system associated with speed control. The Siemens TrainGuard 200 system, in place of Ansaldo STS. It is a component of the European rail traffic management system (abbreviated ERTMS, acronym for European Rail Traffic Management System) which is intended to eventually replace the large number of trackside signals, signal repetition systems and signaling systems. in the cabin currently used on the various European railway networks. in clear ERTMS provides on-board automatic train control functions and radio communication between trains and the command post or Centralized Traffic Control (CTC), which makes it possible to position more trains over the same distance while reducing delays by completely safe.
In 2019, to modernize its 300 km/h long-distance fleet, Deutsche Bahn ordered 90 ICE 3 neo from railway manufacturer Siemens for a value of 3 billion euros, the last of which are expected to be delivered by August 2028. Until 'now it had always indicated that the express trains should be delivered by 2029.
The Munich manufacturer managed to develop these trains in a record time of two years, which is short for an intercity train traveling at 320 km/h at commercial speed. The ICE 3 Neo has been used in Germany since 2022 and on international routes such as Belgium since 2023. A partnership with NS Internationales has also been in place since June 2024 and makes it possible to replace the ICE 3-M with these new purchases.
Thank you very much for this very informative trip, greetings from Lorient, Frédérique.
awesome the DB has finally took the right decision to remove their outdated version who caused a lot technical issues during it's commercial service to holland and Belgium
i like your vlog. You should try riding Whoosh in indonesia, the first high speed train in southeast asia with a speed of 350/KMH. There are still many more trains in indonesia that you can make your youtube video. greetings from indonesia, Keep spirit and keep healty😊
To correct a tiny bit:
The ICE 3Ms were all DE/NL/BE enabled, but as you rightly pointed out, few of them were delivered and they suffered pretty terrible reliability issues, you could apply the same logic of taking another one of these to go between the three countries but that was relatively difficult. The ICE 3 Neo is supposedly more polished an reliable, closer to the Velaro D used for France services, itself replacing equally unreliable ICE 3 MFs.
So just to say it's not that the ICE 3 Neos are more flexible than their older counterparts since they also were, but reliability and numbers are what Siemens and DB are promising more here than the previous ICE 3 Ms.
Lounge Access you get with status- silver, gold, Platin and any valid Long distance ticket (any saver , but Never Deutschland Ticket). Or a flex price ticket in 1st Class.
Where a Premium Lounge is, besides an ordinary lounge, Like in Frankfurt, Platin status or first Class flex price gives you access to the premium area. A light meal and Even beer and wine are included there. Seating is better there, too.
You've mentioned you're tall so you should be able to anwer a question I had and as a short guy never thought of it untill I started to see a few Americans complain on the new Venturecars in the Midwest. They said that the head wings made the seat very uncomfertable as their sholders hit it. i've never heard such complaint before on trains in other places so I was wondering if it's a design thing in tthe US or just someing no one mentioned before, which I assume will be very annoying and uncomfortable.
I found Frankfurt station very dirty. I've been there many times. So far, I really like Hannover and Leipzig stations. I have to use that station when arriving to Germany, then DB to final destination .
You fail to mention who built this thing. You should do that on every postings because the history of all these things is intertwined with the history of manufacturers.
I mention shortly the builder around 08:20.
However this video is about what you can expect as a passenger to travel with these trains, of course some history but that's not the aim for this channel.
It‘s Siemens
@@bahnspotterEU I figured as much. I love to hear that name and those of Alstom and other great names in the industry.
Take a look at dicke butz👍🏽
MY HIGLIGHT CITY IS FRANKFURT ON MAIN, CENTRAL GERMANY
I wonder when 1st class will be banned, or at least using more space than 2nd class?
I believe Norway has no 1st class.
Why shall people, with more money, be allowed to pollute with more CO2?
@@KDR_FLT You can have more passengers in 2nd class, thus more effective on the CO2 emission.
@@KDR_FLT Are you trying to tell me fewer passengers = less CO2 emission per passenger? In that case, only one passenger per car.
@@KDR_FLT You are talking out of your a..
The investment in ICE is waste of money. They always fall short of the last 120 km/hr. Will they ever get there?
8 bikes 🤔
Nog a lot but it's better than it was. Most capacity can still be found on regional trains that cross the border.
The "normal" lounge is for all Status Customers of DB, however the Premium is reserved for Platin customers OR 1st Class Tickets that are not a "Sparpreis". The difference is that in Platinum Lounge you get also alcoholic beverages and meals (The normal lounge is just equipped with free softdrink and coffee machines).
11:56 perhaps there would be less congestion, if people payed attention to this detail. Most don't however. Generally for trains that are nearly booked out, boarding can be really a mess, often holding up trains causing delays. This seems particularily bad in stations with high traffic but comparatively low number of tracks, like Hamburg and Cologne.
So having watched the video now, here my critique:
Comparing with other train review youtubers, this is way, way more detailed about the train itself and the station you departed from, and a lot less about the route you're traveling on. And I personally prefer these videos showing more about the route and the sights out of the window, the overall travel experience of the trip, and it was a bit too much about the interior for me. Regardless I did enjoy the extended section about the station though.
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It's literally mentioned at the beginning of the video while the intro us there.
Saw the new interior version running on this route yesterday; might want to check that out too.
Actually I like the newer interior a bit more. Provably I'll make a video on those trains as soon as I can do thus as well.
@@Trainviking mainly just the seat design being the more fabric seat instread of the leather and the wood finishes on the backs right?
@@aselwyn1 The only differences between the "old" and the "new" interior design are, in addition to the seats already mentioned, with a different type of upholstery (fabric with 85% wool; gray in 1st class and with blue accents in 2nd class), a different carpet color (solid instead of striped) and flushing the toilet via a sensor next to a button. The silver letters indicating the restaurant and 1st class (in the latter accompanied by a DB logo) that were first used in the trains with the "new" interior design are retrofitted in the trains with the "old" interior.
Altijd leuk weer met de ICE! Wel altijd rekening houden met vertragingen.
Vorig jaar een aantal keren in Duitsland en met name met de ICE gereisd en inderdaad letterlijk niets reed op tijd. Als je geluk hebt heeft alles ongeveer dezelfde vertraging en is overstappen dan alsnog geen probleem.
oh i hope you did not visit the area in front of frankfurt main station :D
Haven't been too much around indeed
Mooie video met zeer veel informatie! Ben al benieuwd naar de volgende....
15mins of chat makes the video not worth watching just rambling on